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== Most recorded classical repertoire? == |
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== Dancing to death == |
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Hi there. I understand under the "recordings" section, it is noted that it is the most recorded 20th century classical repertoire, I have no objection to that. Yet in the intro paragraph it simply said it was one of the most recorded repertoire in classical music. I find this statement will require very strong and much more comprehensive citations. I would suggest changing it to "one of the most recorded 20th century classical music" to be consistent with the citation. I also do not believe that there is any way to reliably track the number of recordings out there, and if so, what number of recording counts as "one of the most recorded" (top 10? top 50?) Let me know your thoughts. Thank you. ] (]) 23:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC) |
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How does this even work? Is it just death from exhaustion? ] (]) 18:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:I find a useful and reliable guide. One has to be on the look-out for duplicate reissues, of course, but with that ''caveat'' I suggest you look there. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 15:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:This is actually a ballet, so not necessarily based on 100% fact? But it can even work like ], allegedly. ] (]) 19:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC) |
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::Okay, so I played around with the website. Could you kindly explain how the editor arrived at the conclusion that Rite of Spring is indeed "one of the most recorded" music? What is the methodology? You also did not address my concern that there is no way to effectively rank the number of recordings or reliably classify them. "most recorded" is also a vague term as it could mean top 3, top 10, top 50, top 100, etc. My recommendation is to change it to "most recorded 20th century classical music". Please let me know your thoughts. ] (]) 15:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I'm afraid I cannot answer your question about the main author's thought processes as to my sorrow and that of countless other Wikipedians he died a year or so ago, and is still sorely missed. Let us see if there is consensus among other editors in favour of your proposed alteration, but a quick Googling throws up numerous references to the Rite as one of the most recorded works: see, for example, p. 18 '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 15:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC) |
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== Infobox == |
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== Martial-v-marital == |
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An IP altered this: "One of the young girls is selected by fate, being twice caught in the perpetual circle, and is honoured as the "Chosen One" with a martial dance" to change "martial" to "marital". I reverted the change but on second thoughts unreverted it. I'm not at all sure which is appropriate here, and would be glad of other editors' thoughts. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 13:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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* ''{{lang-ru|Vesna svyashchennaya}}'' |
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Why doesn't this article have an infobox? I propose that we add either {{tl|Infobox ballet}} (see example with suggested content, above) or, if that is not deemed suitable, {{tl|Infobox musical composition}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 14:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:"Why" is not important. This looks good to me ;) --] (]) 14:10, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:ps: Isn't the native title in Russian? - The French one of the premiere is just above in the pic caption, --] (]) 14:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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::Thank you. I've changed to show both common non-English names. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 14:18, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Can we add the two-letter language abbreviation somehow, or say otherwise that it is Russian and French? --] (]) 14:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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::::Done. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 14:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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{{outdent}}{{tl|Infobox ballet}} is completely inappropriate and very misleading. This article is about the musical composition, not a specific ballet with a specific choreographer. Although the Nijinsky choreography was the one used at the premiere, and is the most famous, this work has been choreographed by many others. Observe the way this issue is appropriately handled at ] and the related articles on the ballets using that music. ] (]) 15:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:I'd suggest we just say she's honoured with a dance. ] (]) 14:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Here's an alternative, using {{tl|Infobox musical composition}}. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 15:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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::Am meeting SchroCat, Ian Rose and Cassianto this evening at the , where many happy hours were spent in the company of Brian Boulton, onlie begetter of this article. We shall raise a glass to him. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 14:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:Well I don't think a marriage is part of the story at all, so 'marital' seems out of place. I assume BB's use of 'martial', was to evoke the warlike, intense atmosphere of the music, which seems fair-enough. If it is removed alla Nikkimaria, I'd suggest another synonym in its place, since the word "dance" alone may not properly convey the rather startling intensity it includes. Although I am a bit embarrassed to write this much about a single word! '''<span style="font-family:Lucida;">]]</span>''' 17:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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*”Martial” or just “dance” would be my thoughts, but how do the sources describe it? That’s normally the best place to get a proper steer. - ] (]) 22:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::Thanks, all. I've listened to the composer's recording and to Boulez's and have replaced the adjective with "forceful". No ] for this, but I think my tinkering will pass muster. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 20:37, 19 March 2024 (UTC) |
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Can somebody please check if the two edits to scores (violin to cello and tuba to trombone) made on 11 March are correct? ] (]) 05:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC) |
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'''Oppose''' any infobox. This was discussed back in December 2012 (see Archive 2) and the clear consensus was to NOT include any sort of infobox (80% against any box). ] ''']''' 15:17, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:The fact that this was discussed before, by small number of editors, does prevent a new discussion, especially with different editors involved. The December 2012 discussion also seems to have been misdirected by false claims ("it it a long-standing convention that Classical Music articles in general... do not have an infobox", etc.). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 15:24, 30 May 2013 (UTC) |
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Hi there. I understand under the "recordings" section, it is noted that it is the most recorded 20th century classical repertoire, I have no objection to that. Yet in the intro paragraph it simply said it was one of the most recorded repertoire in classical music. I find this statement will require very strong and much more comprehensive citations. I would suggest changing it to "one of the most recorded 20th century classical music" to be consistent with the citation. I also do not believe that there is any way to reliably track the number of recordings out there, and if so, what number of recording counts as "one of the most recorded" (top 10? top 50?) Let me know your thoughts. Thank you. Kazuha1029 (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
An IP altered this: "One of the young girls is selected by fate, being twice caught in the perpetual circle, and is honoured as the "Chosen One" with a martial dance" to change "martial" to "marital". I reverted the change but on second thoughts unreverted it. I'm not at all sure which is appropriate here, and would be glad of other editors' thoughts. Tim riley talk 13:41, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Can somebody please check if the two edits to scores (violin to cello and tuba to trombone) made on 11 March are correct? JennyOz (talk) 05:58, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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