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| ==Suspected sockpuppet== | |||
| The sockpuppet you directed me too has a Norway ip. That one edit is the only edit from that internet provider. There are no edits by any registered user. ] 13:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :We can't solve all the problems which affect an entire area of editing through one arbitration case. The problem we were presented with was the problem raised by your behavior. We may not even have solved that problem but that is what we focused on. ] 14:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Extensive research shows no use of sockpuppets by Zero0000. ] 15:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Typical arrogance == | |||
| '''Please note:''' This is an automatic notification by a ]. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --] (]) 01:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC) | |||
| This story earlier in the week about the words of Weissglas illustrated the type of arrogance of power I may have told you about in the past, and today a Haaretz writer had the same reaction. . ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 15:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Unreferenced BLPs== | |||
| : I looked at the text you linked to, and I could see absolutely no arrogance or even any mention of using power whatsoever. But the entire article seems to be written wrong way, so I perfectly understand why you are agitated! --] ] doesn't understand a word i Hebrew on 23:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC). | |||
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| # ] - <small>{{findsources|Seyran Ates}}</small> | |||
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| I see the relative severity of the behavioural issues differently than you do, and in my opinion your posts to my page are further examples of the issue. In order to edit successfully on Misplaced Pages, one must be able to interact in a civil way. It's actually policy. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 15:56, 20 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I wish you could consider me your friend and supporter. I want you to edit here, just use better sources and let other viewpoints be fairly expressed. But you need to quit fussing and imagining everyone is biased against you, most of us are not. ] 15:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| So the Jews started to enforce the decision on the ground is a 'clear lie', but then you replaced it with the Arabs started to attack Jews. Both are POV. You should either have a source for these kinds of statements, or remove them both. Please try to NPOV the section, historical evidence would be most welcome. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 16:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Per policy, you cannot use another Misplaced Pages page as a source for this Misplaced Pages page. Also, NPOV may mean providing different POV, but each POV has to be presented neutrally. So saying "Jews attacked Arabs and Arabs attacked Jews" include both POVs, but it is not presented neutrally. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 16:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Zeq, could you please discuss your reversion in talk page? You insist on reversing changes made in order to avoid redundancies. So why should'nt we revert you? Regards, ] 18:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :I respond to all your posts in talk page; the same can't be said of you. Discussion is carried on overthere. There is no reason to revert to before today's changes, because all of these changes did not change the content, only created a subsection (you wisely did it) and placed other contents in appropriate subsections. You very well know that if you start speaking about things concerning the January elections, then you're bringing up everything concerning them, not only the statements which interest you. ] 19:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Hamas== | |||
| <blockquote>'''It's not clear that this group has any ] notability - with the coverage of its activities not really extending beyond a short-lived and poorly attested stint in 2007.'''</blockquote> | |||
| Hi. Please read more closely. The passage reads: Hamas is best known throughout the world '''for''' its ''military wing'', which has carried out ] and other homicidal attacks against ]i civilians and military targets. Thanks. ] 10:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your ] or on ]. | |||
| I am trying to understand the proposed decision . | |||
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| Is it acce[ptable or not to: | |||
| "It is unacceptable to remove relevant material from an article if its source is a scholarly work by an authority in the field." | |||
| If it is acceptable , under what conditions ? | |||
| :In the normal course of editing other relevant material might be substituted, or the material might be removed in put in a more detailed subtopic, or the article might be reorganized in a way which makes the material no longer relevant. ] 16:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If it is not acceptable, does it mean that ANY amount of such material should never be removed ? | |||
| :Of course not, any number of reasons may arise. ] 16:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| How does this new rule in relation to NPOV ? | |||
| :Not a new rule, it is an application of NPOV. Material which is needed to fairly represent a significant point of view should not be removed. ] 16:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| These are all serious questions as I am trying to understand what are the "terms" of my probation and what excatly did I do wrong (in hope not to return it). | |||
| :What you did wrong is twofold, removing well sourced information and adding information from propagandistic sources. ] 16:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Article== | |||
| Thanks for the link. Cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 21:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Machsom Watch== | |||
| Just to let you know, your edit was reverted (again) by Zero on the basis that Arutz Sheva is not a respectable source. I am now arguing with him about it, please ]. -- <font face="wingdings">Y</font> ] || ] <font face="wingdings">Y</font> 11:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: adminship == | |||
| Thanks but I am not interested. Details on . ] 19:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Evidence == | |||
| The edits I saw showed large-scale changes, not just the small one you mentioned. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 22:16, 2 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == thanks == | |||
| . | |||
| אולי הוא יהודי אבל אני לא חושב ישראלי... | |||
| ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 22:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Said== | |||
| Thanks for the link. See also the link to which criticism of "Orientalism" is sourced on the article itself, especially the quote from Bernard Lewis. ] <sup>]</sup> 15:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==email== | |||
| I am afraid I can't send you an e-mail through Misplaced Pages at the moment. It says "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." Have you confirmed your email address in Misplaced Pages? I had to do just that only a few days ago to make it work again, so I thought maybe that's the problem? -- ] 20:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| OK, it's working again. I have just send you an e-mail. -- ] 20:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| This arbitration case has closed. Zeq is banned from articles he has disrupted and placed on Probation. Zeq and Heptor are cautioned regarding sources. Zeq is cautioned regarding removal of well sourced information. Others are cautioned to use the procedures in ]. Where applicable, these remedies are to be enforced by block. On behalf of the arbitration committee, ] | ] 09:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==AfD== | |||
| Hi, can you look at these votes for deletion: | |||
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| Cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 16:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Queeran == | |||
| Hi Zeq. We are in agreement here. I reverted because I also thought he made it worse. ←] <sup>]</sup> 08:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Thanks for believing in me, but I don't feel like it right now. ←] <sup>]</sup> 09:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Misquote? == | |||
| Dear Zeq. | |||
| First I do not understand what you business is in reverting and deleting sources without participating in the talk. Please dont accuse me for not participating in talk and threaten me with ArbCom, when the talk page clearly displays that I try to reach a discussion about your constant reverts, and you have not replied one single time. US and EU have threatened to withdraw their aid to PNA if the new government does no accept the three conditions, EU has afterwards decided to fund the PNA anyway. I have not heard about Russian and UN agreeing on freezing the funds. If this is the case please provide a source before you re-enter it. ] 09:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Questions == | |||
| Hi - questions for you . Thanks. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 14:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ===]=== | |||
| How? If you read most of his writings, he always campaigned for Palestinian 'rights'. I don't see how it is POV to say that somebody was an advocate of Palestinian rights. It is POV to say that somebody MUST advocate for Palestinian rights, or something like that. But to simply describe what Said was, in his own words, I don't see how that is POV. Can you explain to me how? This is nothing political, it is simply describing the work and ideals of the man. Pecher (and maybe you?) seems to disagree that what Said called 'Palestinian rights' are not necessarily 'rights', but the definition of 'rights' is not what is important in the description of the man, that is for another category, I think. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 13:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Article Improvement Drive == | |||
| Dear Zeq, I would like to point out that I have nominated the Hamas article fro Article Improvement Drive, as I believe the article can be much more clear and comprehensive if an effort is done. | |||
| I assume that you, despite previous disagreements, will agree with me on the need for improving the article. So please have a look at ]. ] 15:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Video== | |||
| Thanks. She is a great woman. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Thanks for the tip. I think you made a good point in Al-Husayni. ←] <sup>]</sup> 10:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Banned editors etc. == | |||
| Yes, that was the banned editor Alberuni. Thanks for letting me know. Regarding the other information you put on my talk page, did you want me to get involved in mediating on that page? If so, that was a confusing and rather aggressive way of doing so. Why don't you just politely ask (i.e. not demand) that I do so now? I'm sure that would work well. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 17:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: RFM == | |||
| Please re-read the information on the ]: '''Any request that includes additional information, particularly commentary, will have the additional information removed. Parties should adhere to the format strictly.''' In most situations, improperly formatted requests are simply rejected and delisted; I was being lenient in simply removing the incorrectly formatted entries. Please familiarize yourself with the procedure for making requests before doing so; I don't appreciate being accused of incivility when it is you who failed to familiarize yourself with procedure and you who failed take notice of the repeated boldtype notices on the page clearly stating that improperly formatted text would be removed. Any further non-complaint requests will be rejected ]. <font color=#696969>] <sup>] • ]</sup></font> 12:16, 9 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Good point, mediation would certainly be better than another round of arbitration. I don't get this reject a mediation case with prejudice. ] 16:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Which article == | |||
| Which article would you like me to help mediate, ] or ]? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 22:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Zeq, the issue, frankly, is that it is very difficult to work with you. Nevertheless, I'm going to try to help you out as best I can, because it seems to me that there is at least ''some'' merit in some of your complaints, and that people dismiss them entirely solely because of the way you interact with them. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 03:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == hello == | |||
| Please try to email me again. I have enabled it now. Sorry for the late reply, I rarely log in into Misplaced Pages. Or I try to email you later. Regards, --] 18:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I got your email, but there was no text. If you want to write me something, please do so. You can also contact me on my talkpage. Just remember that I rarely log in into wikipedia, and it might take some while until I read your message. Regards, --] 19:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == 69.40.27.200 == | |||
| Not sure it is him yet; will keep an eye open. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 19:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Why won't you just report Zero for 3RR violation? ] <sup>]</sup> 17:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re: Opinion of checkpoints== | |||
| Yes, that was my mistake, I meant it was irrelevant to the lead. It has now been clarified, thanks for pointing it out. -- <font face="wingdings">Y</font> ] <sup>(])</sup> <font face="wingdings">Y</font> 18:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==] again== | |||
| Why did you remove criticism from the intro in your latest edit? ] <sup>]</sup> 19:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == "Nakba" page == | |||
| The response I have gotten indicates that you can edit the Talk: page, but that if you become disruptive there you can be banned from it, as per the ArbCom ruling. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 18:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Myths and Facts== | |||
| Fred, can you ask ArbCom to clarify if this book can or can not be used as source ? Thanks. ] 10:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Regarding Leonard J. Davis and M. Decter, Eds., Myths and facts: A Concise Record of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, Washington DC: Near East Report, 1982, I think you should consider that it is a book published by a nation that is at war and can be expected to reflect that reality. That does not mean everything in it is false, just that it strongly represents a purposeful point of view. It should be cited with care. I would independently verify the information in it if I were you. By the way, as this book is quite inexpensive I have ordered it and will have it in a couple of weeks so that our conversation regarding it can be of a more particular nature. ] 03:15, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Good morning, Zeq, and Thank you ;-D == | |||
| for: Regards, ] 08:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC) PS: (& hope it is not as "#&%$&# cold in Israel as it is up here ;-( ´cuse my language) | |||
| :Shut up, shut up, SHUT UP!!! I suddenly felt like getting violent, hitting you on the head.... I hate you!!! (....and anybody else who is anywhere where the temperature is above freezing point...;-( ] 08:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :(PS: I´m an old diver: diving in a wet-suite in Scandinavia ..in the winter ...has given me countless frostbites (I think that is the English word )...now my "nerve-ends" go numb (and hurt!) whenever it is cold: typical for all "old divers" up here. I sleep with woolen socks, even in ] in the summer... | |||
| ::Thanks, but after having spend $$$$ over the years (to no great help) I have (mostly!) learned to live with it (exept on some frosty March mornings..) The best advise is what they give on ]: "keep warm by wearing gloves and socks." | |||
| ::It is <i>extremely</i> common around here (among "old" divers); some have what we call "banana fingers" (fingers swell and become like bananas or cucumbers as soon as it gets a little cold)..I´m not so bothered by that (I always protected my fingers/hands reasonably well...but my feet....my feet/toes seemed so, well, unimportant back then... ) (Good Lord, what an idiot I was (in fact: we all were, but that knowledge doesn´t help)). I think that more (far more) than 50% of my old diving-buddies have similar problems. (We are "The Cold feet Club") Recently the doctors in charge of the Navys Diving here have starting working for greater awareness of the problem (10-20-30 years too late, but better late than never, etc..). I cannot count the number of 2.degree frostbite (thats what we called it) I have had. Now it has stabelized: but I can never dive in Scandinavia again. ], however...;-) and ] ooohhhh...... ] 10:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC) PS: ahem, BTW: isn´t ] a ] violation? | |||
| :::Thanks, I´ll keep it in mind, (though my belief is slim, I`m afraid..) Also: feel free to remove any of my (frozen) comments above: ahem; I guess threatning to hit somebody <i>could</i> be seen as personal attack ;-D | |||
| :::...Anyway: on another note: I have looked quite carefully on all your additions to ]: do you know what? With the exception of the first (=the suicide bomber) my own father did equally "bad", and some far, far worse things that any of the events mentioned... people like him were called "terrorist", at least until May 1945, when they officially became "Resistance fighter" over night. Think about it. Regards, ] 09:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC), the daughter of a terrorist. | |||
| == Good show == | |||
| Like I said, it will be a good show. Of course, now there are many Palestinian criminals (rapists, murderers) who probably escaped from the Jericho prison because the army didn't care about them running away. And the overall effect is that the US and UK reputation is in the trash can, Olmert's poll numbers will go from 38 to 43%, Palestinians just have more rubble, destruction, and dead people (pretty standard), and the security of Israelis is enhanced by zero percent. Actually, I enjoyed reading this headline:פרץ בירך הממשלה על הפעולה; נתניהו רק את צה"ל | |||
| Good old Bibi - who ordered the army? Anyway, all this for Ze'evi? You guys must really have liked him a lot!! In fact, just yesterday an article came out about how his dream of kicking Palestinians out is coming true: http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=694026&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0 | |||
| ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 19:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Any chance of getting this in English? --] ] 23:24, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Sorry Heptor: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/693728.html | |||
| ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 23:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| National pride huh? Did somebody win the Olympic gold medal for stupidity? It's not like they caught a fugitive - the guy woke up in UK custody, he wasn't hiding in a cave - so it's a day of national pride because Israel got a wanted man handed to them by the UK? Anyway, this kidnapping thing in Gaza is BS - unemployed young men acting like gangsters - they should all be castrated. But it's evidence of a broken society - economic condition is the key to everything. Horrible economy plus humiliation leads to things like this. What made me really angry is all those Palestinians being paraded in front of international cameras almost naked - typical Israeli army humiliation tactic and therefore a stupid move. So anyway, as far as rioting goes, hopefully these idiots will stop this stupidity - they even attacked the HSBC Bank branch in Ramallah because it is British-owned, even though all its employees are local Palestinians, even the director. At least when a foreigner gets kidnapped in Gaza, it's nothing more than a few hours inconvenience for the kidnapped person before they are let free, as opposed to getting kidnapped in Iraq, where it's an entirely different outcome. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 14:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Ah, if everything were just black or white..... == | |||
| There is a very interesting debate about this: ]: although the article here is not very clear on the issue (and the film is a falcification on this point): the point is: the sabotours <i>knew</i> that there would be civilians, ordinary passengers (<i>not</i> collaborators), on board, and that they would be killed, too (Even if they survived the blast: you simply don´t survive long in a mountain lake, that time of the year). (I think it was about 12 Norwegian civilians who were killed..it is some time since I read about it) So the question is: did they do the right thing planting the bomb there?? Were those people terrorist, or resistance fighters? (I can tell you my thoughts about that, later), I really would like to hear your thoughts about it. Regards, ] 10:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC) (I could of course also mention something about dropping a 1 ton bomb over Gaza, in order to kill one Hamas leader, killing, oh, what was it, 14(?) more, but I will let that rest for now..) | |||
| :Oh, the Nazis weren´t hiding or using civilians as shield in this case: there was only one ferry they could take, and that ferry happen to be also a normal commercial ferry, carrying civilians. But from your reply I take it that the people who did it were not "terrorist"? (in your view, as their main objective was a military one). But then I have to ask: that one Israeli Arab suicide bomber: from what I have read (somewhere) he targeted soldiers? (I think) (I´m not 100% sure here)-but if he did: then that would be legitimate? Regards, Huldra | |||
| ::--Just a few final words: starting a heading (about an incident I do not know about) with the words: "Arab Lies" makes me think: what would you have said if somebody had started a heading with the words: "Jewish Lies"? | |||
| ::Also, about the link under "Why not?" Really, Zeq; if you want to spend your time reading garbage on the internet, well, you are of course free to do so. I try to spend my time differently. | |||
| ::--I´m always interested in discussing what -broadly- can be called moral philosophy. The things you call "simple" are simply not so simple in my mind. Take ]: I assume we both can agree that he would be a "valid" "military target". However, how many other (innocent) people can you morally justify killing in hunting him down? The way you put it, it sounds as if it is totally irrelevant as to how many innocents "bystanders" are killed, as long as the "target" is legitimate.(..and you "minimize casualities", whatever that means.). In its ultimate consequence: can you justify dropping an atombomb on a town where you know Zarqawi is hiding.....? -if there is <i>no other way</i> to destroy "the military target"? (I hope you will agree with me that that would be an "overkill", quite literally....) But I repeat: how many (innocent) people can you morally justify killing (or risk killing/hurting) in hunting dow a "valid" target? The words about "minimizing casualities" sounds very pretty, but really doesn´t tell me anything substantial. | |||
| ::--Lastly, just for the record, regarding WWII: it doesn´t really matter what you or I or the Geneva convention thinks about what terrorism is or not. What matter (or rather: what mattered back then) is what the "rulers" of that time <i>defined</i> as terrorism. And the nazi regime defined <i>all non-military</i> opposition/acts as "terrorist" or "criminal". And, btw, this opposition (almost) always targeted occupation (military) forces, one simple reason for this was that <i>there were no</i> civilians to target! (No immigration of German settelers..) The only exception that comes to mind were nazi informers: i.e. local civilians who collaborated with the occupation forces; often by joining a resistance group, and then informing on them to the nazi forces, often with devastating consequences. Now, would such an informer be a military or civilian target in your view? | |||
| ::--Anyway, I don´t know if I will spend much more time on this (It is much more fun to write articles...), however, I just wanted to point out that things that seem so clear-cut on paper isn´t always clear-cut to me. Regards, ] 12:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::-Ps: I only use Zarqawi as an example; you might substitute him with any "military target" you like. And certainly: I agree with you about not using the nazi as a yard-stick; the point I try to make is that for the people in a given situation it doesn´t matter one bit what you or I think; the only thing that counts is what the people in charge thinks. Regards, ] 13:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Irish Times == | |||
| Hi Zeq, you asked about . I agree that the ''Irish Times'' point could be included, but it's inappropriate for the intro, unless you have a source showing that the special unit you mentioned exists ''and'' that it was created because of Machsom Watch. The second quote, from the ''Guardian'', doesn't belong in the article at all because it isn't about Machsom Watch. Cheers, ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 15:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == NOR and V == | |||
| Thanks for your note. If you want to question the policies, the places to do it are on ] and ]. I agree that the policies should be applied evenly throughout the encyclopedia, but if we find it being done badly in one place, it doesn't mean we do it badly in another in order to achieve consistency. ;-) If you find people evaluating mainstream published sources in other articles, refer them to the NOR and V policies, because they are not supposed to do it. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 16:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Shiqaqi Poll == | |||
| Thanks for the link - I think it does indeed reflect the mood, because Hamas voters wanted two thing: no more corruption, and no more bullshit on peace. It's also what I call the 'Sharon Syndrome', Sharon inspired Palestinians to elect right wingers because they saw how popular a right winger (and in their eyes a terrorist) became for Israelis and also the world. So it looked like only strong right wingers can make peace. The majority who voted for Hamas want peace with Israel in my opinion and now also as this poll shows - but a strong peace not based on BS. But I don't think Hamas will follow the 'Road Map' as the article says (and why do you guys call it road MAPS? I thought there is only one map - or do you like to go in many directions?) The Road Map does not contain a basic requirement for Hamas: that Israel recognize the rights of the Palestinians to exist and for self-determination. That is also why Hamas will refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, because they feel that the recognition has to be mutual. The Oslo years was a result of Arafat and his gang recognizing Israel's right to exist in return for Israel recognizing the PLO as a negotiating partner - which is not the same as Palestinian rights to self-determination. Hamas wants to make the recognition mutual. Plus, I think they will be extremely stupid to do any more attacks of any kind. We'll see. In the meantime, I think there are a few more prisons the IDF hasn't destroyed yet (in Bethlehem and Hebron), so if you guys are in the mood to lift Olmert's numbers a bit higher, or just bored, there are a few prisons ready and waiting ;) ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 19:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Sorry - that's what I meant - 'many roads' not 'many maps'. I don't recall the Israelis ever recognizing Palestinians' right to self determination - they recently talk about a state but that's not the same thing since you can take a piece of land, close all the borders and control the air space and decide to call that a 'state'. But there has never been an Israeli recognition of Palestinian rights (of course the Palestinians have not always behaved like they deserve such rights especially after the PLO was taking advice from stupid Arab leaders, but on the other hand self determination is a human right supposedly guaranteed to every human being). Do you remember when Israel made such a recognition? | |||
| That's exactly my point - they are pushing for a Palestinian state, but without recognition of Palestinian right to self-determination, what kind of state will it be? It is well known that they do not intend it to be a fully sovereign state, but the idea is to have some kind of limited entity, and afterwards they can call it a 'state' or a 'box' or whatever you want - at least that's what the thinking has been for some time (i.e. it doesn't matter what you call it as long as it suits Israel's demands). Calling for a 'state' is not the same as recognizing the right to sovereignty, especially with the ex-Likidniks' definition of a 'state'. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 05:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Zeq, I haven't "dismissed myself" from this promise, I'm just not aware of any outstanding POV issues. Again, if you could describe specific sentences or paragraphs which you think are POV, and propose alternatives, that would be fine; however, you seem unable to do that. The chance of the article being deleted is nil, particularly as there is no proposed replacement ready. You can add it to ] if you wish. I did suggest that you write a new article and propose it, but I haven't seen any results yet on that front. Are you nearly finished? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 20:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Myths and Facts== | |||
| I have received this and have been reading it. It is a powerful book. Fact based but with a very strong Israeli point of view. ] 22:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Regarding ], nobody, whatever the excuse, has the right to take over a country that other people already live in. However, an established state, explicitly established by the United Nations in a League of Nations Mandate, recognized by most other states, has a clear right to exist. While that may seem contradictory I am quite comfortable with it. Once a mass movement began to settle Palestine, there was little choice but to proceed and make the best of it. Likewise we must move forward and make every effort to facilitate a mutually advantageous peace. Most of the movement has to come from the Muslim side and its going to be a very long process. When you see Jews living peacefully in Mecca, as they once did, we'll know peace is at hand. ] 16:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re: Better Writing and Original Research== | |||
| First of all let me say that I have not (yet?) personally reviewed the sources given in the paragraph, and simply relied on the more coherent piece. You must understand that, while WP:NOR is a very important policy, so are the guidelines on Misplaced Pages readability. It's better to have a properly written paragraph with 90% verifiable info and 10% original research (assuming it's logical and not ludicrous, which is the case now), than to have a completely verifiable and incoherent article. | |||
| Please understand that I'm not trying to belittle your arguments, because I agree with you about the sourcing, but much of what you write is not just poorly written, but completely impossible to understand for an English speaker. Don't forget that this is the English Misplaced Pages, it is not meant to accomodate users with poor English (maybe try the Simple English Wiki for that). If your new paragraph was even a little understandable (for a reader such as myself who did not read the source), I would've edited it for better English. | |||
| My current suggestion to you is say what you think should be in the article on the talk page, and then other editors can convert it to proper text in the article. I'll see to it that anti-Israel editors (won't name names...) don't vandalize what you insert (as long as it's properly sourced, etc.) However, I'm quite surprised you're not fluent in English if you work with/for the UN. | |||
| On a side note, you might want to archive old discussions on your talk page. | |||
| -- <font face="wingdings">Y</font> ] <sup>(])</sup> <font face="wingdings">Y</font> 22:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Actually even policies should always come hand in hand with common sense. The primary goal of Misplaced Pages is to write an encyclopedia - many encyclopedias may insert bits of loosely based data, but you will never see an encyclopedia that's practically impossible to understand. Taken from Misplaced Pages:Policies and guidelines: | |||
| :''Guidelines are not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception.'' ... ''A policy is similar to a guideline, only more official and less likely to have exceptions.'' | |||
| :Basically this says that a policy is the same as a guideline only it must be enforced as opposed to less official guidelines (not set in stone). However, it clearly states that exceptions can be made in both cases. Common sense and public concensus are a good guide to decide that. | |||
| :-- <font face="wingdings">Y</font> ] <sup>(])</sup> <font face="wingdings">Y</font> 00:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Vandal == | |||
| He seems to have stopped editing 2 hours ago. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 19:44, 28 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Machsom Watch== | |||
| I'm a bit myustified by your last edit summary. The only thing we can certainly say about the checkpoints is that they control movement of Palestinians. That may be for one reason or another, but it ''is'' their purpose and is manifestly precisely what they do and not a side-effect. Are the checkpoints within the West Bank really meant to stop "Palestinian terrorists" entering Israel? ] | ] 18:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Israeli Arab transference from Israel== | |||
| Please take a look at ] (and the article itself), basically Lokiloki, the article's author, asserts that Liberman's '''current''' political agenda is to forcibly transfer Israeli Arabs from Acre, Sakhnin, etc. to the Palestinian Authority. Now, we all know Liberman doesn't love Arabs, but with all fairness, he has abandoned that campaign for a more moderate approach a long time ago. The 5 or 6 sources used to support this claim are also questionable, as they are all opinion pieces, and there was even an article written by Uri Avneri (the archrival of Arutz 7, so to say). -- <font face="wingdings">Y</font> ] <sup>(])</sup> <font face="wingdings">Y</font> 10:53, 31 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your 4RRs== | |||
| I believe you have made 4 reverts on ]: it is probably in your best interest to back off for a bit. ] 18:42, 31 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == reading for anybody interested in events in 1948 == | |||
| I tried to edit ] and was at once reverted by "our twins" Slim&Jay. I therefore copied the source into: ]. I don´t know if you are familiar with the quotes (or the book). I find the quotes quite interesting. I´m particularely touched by Rabin´s: "Great suffering was inflicted upon the men taking part in the eviction action". Ah, my heart bleeds. Regards, ] 19:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC) PS: I haven´t had time to edit it into the articles yet; must log out now. | |||
| == Lieberman == | |||
| Please look at the subsequent version of the section I created, before you made your comment. I believe you will agree it is entirely factual. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 22:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==RfA Results and Thanks== | |||
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| |'''{{PAGENAME}}, thank you for your constructive opposition''' in ]. Although it did not succeed as no consensus was declared ('''final: 65/29/7'''), I know that there is always an opportunity to request adminship again. In the meantime, I will do my best to address your concerns in the hope that when the opportunity for adminship arises once again, you will reconsider your position. If at any time I make any mistakes or if you would like to comment on my contributions to Misplaced Pages, you are more than ]. Regardless of your religious, cultural, and personal beliefs, I pray that whatever and whoever motivates you in life continues to guide you on '''the most righteous path'''. | |||
| --- ] 05:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == A suggestion (Excellent to my mind :D ) == | |||
| Hi Zeq, | |||
| This is regarding the dhimmi, jizya and rules of war in islam articles. I think RFC is not a good idea since we are not sure if both articles are free from any problems. I have a suggestion: All editors involved in this mediation nominate a few editors(not among themselves). They are better to be administrator or at least experienced editors(e.g. Zora ) and concede their editing right to their nominated editors. These people will form the editor committee. All the editors have to promise not to edit the articles directly anymore, but just try to convince the editor committee if they want to make any change to the article(The articles can be blocked from editing). The final decisions are however made by the editor committee(maybe voting). I hope that concensus could be achieved easier there. How is my idea? Please post your opinion at Thanks --] 06:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Zeq, I have made an slot for you on the mediation page. Please post your opinion there. thx--] 07:22, 2 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Hello == | |||
| Thanks for your comment. I have replied to it on the mediation page. By the way, Thanks you for your help on the mediation page and on the articles.--] 06:34, 3 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Komemeiut == | |||
| As far as I know "Komemeiut" means "erect" or "upright". ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 18:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Link== | |||
| Thanks for the link. I expected that something like that would be unearthed one day or another. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:03, 8 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == The mediation == | |||
| Hi Zeq, I agree that we can not say that the mediation has failed for sure, but I think my suggestion, assuming the committee is well chosen, is fair and does not stop anybody to edit the article at a deeper level. Can you please post your opinion on the mediation page. thx --] 21:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Tamam == | |||
| lo harbe - thanks for the link. These things happen a lot, there was a bunch of Palestinians stuck on the Libyan/Egyptian border for a while a few years ago (they might still be there, I don't know what happened to them after Qaddafi kicked them out). I hope this goes to show that, no matter what Israelis think, the Jordanians are not our 'brethren'. This is an example of why I can't stand it when people think of all 'Arabs' as one people. The unfortunate thing is that these people are trying to get into Jordan because they have nowhere else to go, but Jordan is probably a worse place than Iraq to live. Yesterday I heard that Syria has agreed to let them in, but that's just an announcement. I doubt if the government will actually carry out their promise, but we'll see. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 15:10, 22 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Mosque FAC Comment == | |||
| I have responded to your comments on the ]; I hope I have addressed your concerns sufficiently. Feel free to comment more on issues with the article on the FAC page. ]]] 07:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm going to await other's comments. If I still hear complaints of POV, perhaps something can be done. I used words like "small" as you indicated in the FAC because I didn't want it to sound like one can step into any mosque and just hear condonements of bombings and terrorism, as that clearly is not true. ]]] 08:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Zeq, I've reverted your edit because the information you put in is already n the article, twice, by my glancing quickly. Try not to lace articles about which you hold a atrong opinion with your own slant on things, or repeat the same sentiments over and over. It potentially violates ], even if I tend to agree with you wholeheartedly. - ] 15:51, 25 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Just another RFA thank you note== | |||
| {| style="background-color: #e7efef; border: solid 1px darkcyan;" | |||
| | ] | |||
| | style="background-color: #e0e0f0; padding: 1em; border: solid 1px darkcyan;" | Dear Zeq, I really appreciate your vote and your kind words in ]. It has passed with an unexpected 114/2/2 and I feel honored by this show of confidence in me. Cheers! ←] <sup>]</sup> 03:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| |} | |||
| ==Benny Morris== | |||
| Hello Zeq. Please, have a look at my comments on the talk's page of Palestinian exodus. I remember several times you wrote that "too much place was given to Morris theory". Please, have in mind absolutely NO PLACE is given to Morris theory in the palestinian exodus article. Just place for "some parts" of it ;-). Unfortunately I will not take the time to fight on the English wikipedia and only, step by step, correct the French one to introduce there the real NPOV wikipedia's policy. ] 18:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Sources== | |||
| Zeq, you should know by now that blogs are not reliable sources for Misplaced Pages. If you are going to continue to edit you could consider working with another editor until your English reaches encyclopedic standard. Heptor's English has improved enormously since he has been working on the project and perhaps he could help. --] 09:22, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Zeq, you've re-written ] again in pidgin English with multiple misspellings. Nakba Day is 15 May, not Israel's independence day and it began in 1998, not 1988 as the sources verify, i.e., good sources published in English. Please reverse these changes. --] 15:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Articles should be written in encyclopedic English and use good sources. If you don't understand the basic errors then ask someone for help, or at the very least use a spell-checker. At the moment it reads like pidgin English. Just complaining wont do. With regard to the facts: Nakba Day is on 15 May, Israeli independence day isn't (and as you've already pointed out this year it's on 3 May) and also independence was declared on 14 May not 15 May. Israel was never granted independence from the UK anyway. --] 17:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've looked at the links you've added to this article: says that Nakba day is on 15 May, which is not Israel's Independence Day. says it marks "the formation of Israel on May 15, 1948. The points out that 14 May is independence day. Nakba Day isn't Israeli Independence Day. --] 18:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Arguing that 14 May is 15 May just wont fly. --] 19:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::These sources you are adding confirm you are wrong in claiming that Nakba Day is on the same day as Israeli Independence Day. Haaretz says: | |||
| ::::Every 19 years, the dates on the Jewish and Gregorian calendars line up. This year, as Israel celebrates 57 years since the founding of the state (three multiplied by 19), it happens again on Independence Day. The fifth of the Hebrew month of Iyar falls this year on '''May 14''', the Jewish and Gregorian dates on which the State of Israel was declared, though ironically, Independence Day celebrations were brought forward to tomorrow because the holiday would otherwise fall on Shabbat. The following day, '''May 15''', markes the official end of the British Mandate in Palestine and the date the Arab armies invaded. This is the day that the Palestinians and Arabs mark as Nakba Day, "The Catastrophe." | |||
| :::Bahrain news says: ""Every year in May, Palestinians commemorate their forced displacement And dispossession (al-Nakba, the catastrophe) resulting from the establishment of the state of Israel" (i.e., 15 May and not 14 May). --] 17:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi Zek! I am pleased to see that you finally interested yourself in this propaganda TV set up by Hamas. However, in all honesty, while understanding your legitimate concerns (which I share with you), I would also like you to think about another concern: do you really think making an article to deal for this TV is an efficient way to denounce this intolerable propaganda? You may be right, in which case I support you. But you may also be wrong: let me explain myself. You surely remember ]: before ] (was it him? anyway), they used to say: "people that like dada speak about dada, people that don't like dada speak about dada, both ways everybody is talking about dada!". I'm sure you understand this concern of mine. Think that people who will have access to this article will probably be, like both of us (and despite eventual other political differences) opponents of Hamas - in which case I believe it is enough to state the existence of this TV (which I have done since February in the "Others" section of ], if you remember) in the Hamas article; or they are admirers of Hamas, whatever their reasons, and this anti-propaganda will probably have, at best, no effects on them, at worse, counter-productive effects. I may be wrong, but I hope you do give a minute to think about this issue. Creating an article is giving it importance; do we really want to? Best regards, ] 01:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Block== | |||
| Zero0000 who usually object my edits have blocked me. | |||
| In His reason he claim that I have delibertly posted details about his real-life identity. | |||
| I have done no such thing. The accusation is rediculus as I did not delibertly done any such thing. | |||
| ] 19:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Zeq, would you e-mail me please with the diffs where you allegedly posted personal details? Do not post the diffs or repeat any of the information here. Please e-mail them so I can evaluate the block. Cheers, ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 00:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I can't see any reason to block you indefinitely, and I've had no response from Zero, so I've unblocked you. I did find a reference to some recent activities that you posted, so perhaps that's what he was referring to. In future, please don't post any details about a user's personal life without his permission, as it's regarded as a blockable offense, and in some circumstances, users can be blocked indefinitely. Cheers, ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 05:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I assumed someone would unblock you and I won't reinstate it. However, if you violate my privacy again I will not only block you but start an arbitration case against you. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==E-mail== | |||
| You asked me to e-mail you, but I do not know where to find your e-mail address. I have never sent or received e-mail from anyone on Misplaced Pages before. ] 20:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Banned from ]== | |||
| Under your probation in the case ], I'm banning you from editing ], for tendentious editing, particularly removing well-sourced information from the article . --] 23:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I'm still trying hard to get other people experienced in the subject matter to review the ban. Meanwhile I am rescinding it because you have raised several legitimate points that case doubt on my original decision. I'll remove the ban notice and place an update on all relevant notices. If you really need to be banned from this article then some other administrator will be just as capable of imposing it. In the meantime I apologise. --] 18:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Rubbish == | |||
| I called it rubbish, not trash, but now that you mention it trash would be a fine description too. Like most of your edits. --]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 10:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Personal attack on your user page== | |||
| I notice that you have a colored box on your user page that says " This user thinks it is ] that thanks for supporting ] ] came in the form of a ]." | |||
| This is a personal attack on another Wikipedian, and an unacceptable use of your user page. Please remove that text. --] 19:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Who do see is being attacked by that user box ? ] 19:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : ] is being attacked. It's an expression of personal animosity by you towards Cyde, and would tend to promote animosity towards him on the part of others. --] 19:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I thought it was Cyde himself who put that userbox on the pages of people who supported him, as a joke? Sorry for butting in here, but it looks like wires are crossed. ] | ] 19:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Yes it was Cyde who put it. ] 19:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Tony, I made that userbox myself :-P It was my RfA thanks. Over 130 people got it. And it's not really a "userbox" per se as it isn't templatized; it's just a bit of code on someone's userpage. Zeq, if you wish to restore it, of course you can. --] 22:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I've apologised to Zeq elsewhere and happily repeat that here. I completely misunderstood the nature and purpose of that userbox and this led me to the conclusion that in naming you he was attacking you. ---] 18:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Note on English usage== | |||
| ] claimed responsibility for the attack, which put a seal on the so-called 3-month-] announced on July ]. | |||
| "ended" would be much more understandable in English than "put a seal" ] 12:54, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Nakba issues == | |||
| Hi Zeq | |||
| As you can see, my talk page is very busy, and I'm involved in a huge number of other issues. I don't have a lot of time, so I'm trying to apportion it, and I do like to spend some of my time actually writing or adding to articles, rather than being involved in or mediating disputes. If I can I will take a look at the issue on Nakba. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 16:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==No problem== | |||
| ] -- ] 18:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Bad news. They have blanked the page, and mentioned copyvio as the reason. I am not an expert regarding copyright issues, and I have posted some questions re this on the Wikisource admins talk page here: | |||
| ::http://en.wikisource.org/User_talk:Shanel -- ] 19:11, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| We already have ] and I encourage you to add information to it. It's not really appropriate to have an article sourced entirely from a document that reflects the POV of the United States government. | |||
| By the way, maybe you should ]... ] 06:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :To ] an article, add the information to another article. You should not simply cut and paste the whole text; try to keep the other article readable and do not add information that is already there. When you are done, ] the old article. | |||
| == Australian Federation of Islamic Councils == | |||
| Not a problem Zeq - pleasure to help ] 12:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Robin Hood 7000 - Robin Hood 1212 == | |||
| They certainly look similar, but CheckUser wouldn't help in this case. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 20:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Regards== | |||
| Just a note of appreciation for your calmness and patience this week. I know you got very angry at first and assumed I was deliberately abusing my powers. But you gave me the benefit of the doubt and worked to convince me that I had made a misjudgement. Thanks for that. It's great to meet a true Wikipedian. --] 22:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==The memorial== | |||
| The newspaper link about separation of names on the memorial belongs in ], but needs to be handled sensitively. That article currently contains no information about this internal Israeli problem, at least not as it is framed in the Haaretz article. ] 12:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Request for Editor / User Page Review== | |||
| Hey Zeq – | |||
| You opposed ] on rationale I believe may have been related to ]. In the time since then, I have changed my page to be more ] (which still conforms with my personal beliefs) and removed the majority of information regarding my conversion to Islam in favor of a section on my philosophy (as well as ]). Now, I'm looking for your feedback on what you think of the redesign of the page and whether it is sufficient in quelling the March controversy over the page as well as solving the issue about possible inability to maintain a ], especially in religion-related articles. For what it's worth, the reason I kept a condensed version of the timeline was because there were, and still are, many people who find it interesting instead of a form of proselytization. Many people have also given me positive feedback on ] regarding the look of the page. I personally believe that it is okay to insert individuality onto user pages, especially if it still promotes a sense of community. That is what I was going for with this current version of my user page. | |||
| Please make comments regarding the user page on ]. Thanks in advance. ]]] 14:58, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == True Torah Jews == | |||
| Hi, I posted a defense of the article ], I would like to ask you to be so kind and read it, and than rethink your position on deletion. | |||
| ] 00:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:FYI == | |||
| Thanks, I know it. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Response to inquiry== | |||
| Probably does not belong in the introduction. Additionally, there is no showing that Amin al-Husayni was involved in Nazi efforts to recruit Palestinian Arabs to attack Jews. ] 22:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :That he was an associate of the Nazis during World War II establishes him as an anti-semite. ] 12:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Arab citizens of Israel == | |||
| Hi Zeq, | |||
| I apologise for upsetting you, but my question on the Arab citizens of Israel talk was completely rhetorical in nature. I should have made my point without that confusion. Cheers, <font style="color:#22AA00;">''']'''</font><font style="color:#888888;"><sup>]</sup></font> 05:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Your attention is appreciated== | |||
| Hi Zeq, | |||
| Several editors are mentioned here. Is there anything here we should be aware of?,, ,.] 05:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Disputed edits== | |||
| Zeq, please remove the disputed edits from the introduction to the ] article. Sources that either do not mention Husayni at all or others that give incompatible reports of the same work (i.e., all of them) should not be there. Please note also that the introduction was mediated at your request. --] 10:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I'll try to take a look at this. ] 18:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Mallmann and Cueppers== | |||
| I think Ian is being overly strict, but the obvious solution is for someone who reads German to look at the study. ] 13:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Rachel Corrie == | |||
| Hi Zeq, could you post any queries about this on the article talk page? Cheers, ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 07:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| What makes you think Rachel Corrie had any connection whatever with arms smuggling? ] 23:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == about these articles == | |||
| I changed my username lastly. | |||
| I edited them in the past. | |||
| I think my English is not good enough for me to edit the articles. | |||
| When there will be a real collaboration in these articles, I will be there. | |||
| I wrote most of the French version while we were all quarelling here : ] | |||
| ] 12:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks == | |||
| אני בחו"ל | |||
| but thanks for asking, I haven't seen a list of casualty names but I think the mishpacha is okay. On the other hand, your PM gave an impressive speech today. ] <sup><small><font color="DarkBlue">]</font></small></sup> 17:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Grossmufti == | |||
| Hi Zeq, my time is limited these days, but I'll be happy to help if I can. I've heard that new information came to light. I see that some agreement has beenm reached at the talk page, correct? ←] <sup>]</sup> 10:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Vote == | |||
| Why not? The whole story does not seem notable. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:FYI == | |||
| Thanks. ] <sup>]</sup> 08:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Mahmoud Ahmadinejad == | |||
| hey man, don't let JeremyGByrne get to you. His editing's been territorial there for a long time. He's got an agenda and he's gaming wikipedia's rules and policies. Any sourced information he doesn't want shown, he reverts and attacks. Simply put, he's a ].] 06:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed, re MA beign a dick too, but still, it's better to have an NPOV article on this sort of person. Hitler's article, if NPOV still shows what a sick monster he is without the article ever saying 'Der fuhrer vas eine scheisskopf.' Moderately intelligent people can read ' he opened camps, advocated eugenics, rounded up 6 million jews, and those jews disappeared after entering the showers in those camps, showers that sprayed out zyklon b.' If you don't get that hitler was a douchebag, then it doesn't matter. JeremyGByrne doesn't get it, or does but wants to ignore it. What's most frustrating is that his bias is inconsistent. One day he wants anti-israeli statements out, the next he wants anti jewish stuff out, the third, he wants MA's nuclear agitation statements about nucear weapon intents to wipe nations off the earth IN. It's bad editing. I tried to go against him here at one point, but he just does nothing but edit warring and edit reverts. ] 06:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::don't know how. no email listed in your pages | |||
| == No the article is not "NPOV" == | |||
| The article describe something that does not exist. To be NPOV this has to be the first line: | |||
| :despite the use of the term by antisemitis who try to deligitimize israel right to exist israel is not an aprthied" .... | |||
| ] 15:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : That may be a notch too far to claim just that, but I was considering to describe the term as a ], just as ] is described. What do you think? --] ] 15:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == why too far ? == | |||
| I can not understand you. <small>] forgot to sign this on 29 May 2006, (]) </small> | |||
| : Well, it seems Misplaced Pages limits itself to describing politically perjorative terms (and describing them as politically perjorative), without trying to suggest that the term is correct or incorrect (again, see ] for a comparison). Labeling the term as "something that do not exist" is, IMHO, expressing a POV. --] ] 16:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re:Please look at this article== | |||
| Well, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say. I don't think it violates WP:RS on the whole, but think it should be moved to a more neutral title, such as '''Accusations of Israeli apartheid'''. Same with Israel Occupation Forces (I think that's what the article was called). | |||
| Is there any particular section you want me to comment on? | |||
| -- {{country|flagicon|Israel|size={{{size|}}}}} ] <sup>(])</sup> 18:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == I wasabout to put this on the talkpage of ] but got blocked == | |||
| Per wikipedia policy I have placed the info from a non ] source on the talk page until a decision on the issue: | |||
| Is Global exchange a source for wikipedia article per ] ? | |||
| Please address this issue to get to consensus or start a mediation process on this question. | |||
| Do not just editwar this content back in. It is disputed and wikipedia works by consensus and discussion. ] 18:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == misuse of admin power (blocking a user with whom he has a dispute) == | |||
| .. Instead of working to resolve the edit dispute with editor ] during which he had blocked me (clear misuse of admin power) | |||
| He have done that because I took part in reporting his violation of 3RR on several occuastions: | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=55777387 | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=55774179 | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR&diff=prev&oldid=55772101 | |||
| ] 18:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| As can be seen here: I was acting in good faith according to wikipedia policy after sevral editors question if the site that user homeonetherange used was suitable according to ] ] 18:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : The blocking admin removed the block within 3 minutes of making it. --]<sup>(<font color="mediumseagreen">]</font>)</sup> 19:01, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| <nowiki>{{unblock}}</nowiki> | |||
| :Unblocked. --]<sup>]</sup> 19:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| "He have done that because I took part in reporting his violation of 3RR on several occuastions:" | |||
| No, I blocked you because you vandalized ] by blanking a large section of the article after having been warned not to do that again. I unblocked you three minutes later because I thought it would be better for someone else to block you or to take you to ArbComm.] 19:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| How, exactly, did you try to "resolve" the dispute? What compromise did you suggest? What concession did you make? All you did was repeatedly try to blank a section of the article you didn't like.] 19:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::It is in the talk page of the article. read it instead of ignoring it may help us resolve the dispute. ] 19:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Israel Apartheid --> anti-Zionist?== | |||
| I notice there are claims that Israel Apartheid is used by anti-Zionists and that people that use the term are trying to destroy the Jewish state but I would disagree. I think that Israel Apartheid is used specifically to express opposition to its policies in the Occupied Territories -- its aim is to stop those policies. I do not think that it advocates specifically a ]. I think you are skipping a few steps in making these connections and unfairly tarring some. --] 20:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Mis-use of admin power by an admin who was blocked himself== | |||
| {{tl|unblock}} | |||
| There was clear consenus of reviwing admins that Homey has mis used his admin power in the first block: | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Zeq | |||
| The blocking admin used a sockpppet to block me cause he himself was under a block while banning me.....talk about due process and justice in wikipedia .... | |||
| : Zeq, I see that you are unblocked now. The latest blocklog: | |||
| # 19:41, 29 May 2006 Homeontherange unblocked Zeq (contribs) (will reapply block tomorrow afternoon) | |||
| # 19:31, 29 May 2006 Homeontherange blocked "Zeq (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (tendentious editing in Israeli apartheid (phrase) as per AdminCommittee probation and discussion with Fred Bauder.) | |||
| # 10:50, 29 May 2006 Homeontherange unblocked Zeq (contribs) (Actually, this should go to Arbcomm) | |||
| # 10:47, 29 May 2006 Homeontherange blocked "Zeq (contribs)" with an expiry time of 24 hours (vandalism of Israeli apartheid article) | |||
| This looks like intimidation. What happened? ←] <sup>]</sup> 09:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| {{tl|unblock}} Again my IP is blocked. this seems some type of hrrasment. | |||
| 09:24, 30 May 2006, Essjay (Talk) blocked 85.65.56.28 (contribs) (expires 09:24, 30 June 2006) (IP of banned user) | |||
| ] 10:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I have unblocked your IP. Have no idea what is going on (agains, this user's log shows unblocked), but please let's behave everybody. ←] <sup>]</sup> 10:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Homey sent me an email about your probation and I wrote back that you could be banned from an article which you were disrupting by tendentious editing, but somehow he misinterpreted it to mean he could block indefinitely. Most likely the usual conflation of ban and block. ] 12:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've removed your unblock request because you appear to no longer be blocked. ] (]) 21:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| See ]. Zeq is on parole and is not to engage in "tendentious editing". In my opinion he has clearly violated his parole with the following two edits. , and . He is therefore subject to being banned from the article and, according to the enforcment section of Zeq's arbcomm page, may be banned from the project for a period of time. It is within my authority to ban him, at least for a temporary period. As some have objected to my doing this I have asked the ArbComm to weigh in on whether Zeq has violated his parole and on the appropriate punishment. Note, the ArbComm ruling leaves it to admins to decide on this themselves but, so as we can be clear on this and so there can be no accusation of conflict of interest I have, nevertheless, referred the matter of Zeq's parole violation to them for an opinion. ] 22:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Admins cannot block or ban editors with whom they are involved in a dispute. That's the basics of adminship, and you just cannot be an admin if you're unaware of that. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Another misuse of admin power == | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FIsraeli_apartheid_%28phrase%29&diff=55898998&oldid=55898511 | |||
| == A friendly note == | |||
| Hey Zeq: | |||
| I see you and I have been editing some pages in common, and I thought I'd drop by your talk page and say hello. You haven't asked for my advice, and perhaps do not want it, but I hope you take it in a spirit of friendship, as it's not meant to discourage you from editing but rather, to make WP maybe a little less frustrating for you. | |||
| First, I'd advise you to soften your tone somewhat when dealing with editors you disagree with. Nobody likes to be yelled at, even virtually. It doesn't matter if they "deserve" to be yelled at (the more they deserve it, in fact, the less you should do it; don’t feed the trolls); what matters is that we build a good, neutral encyclopedia. | |||
| Also, in terms of neutrality, I see you are interpreting "be bold" a calling it "as you see it." At the same time, you imply that there are some editors out there who agree with MA's antisemitic remarks. Well, I agree with your second statement: there are some truly vicious antisemites who edit here (although they are a tiny minority). But think of this: if we're all "calling it like we see it" then antisemites must also "call it like they see it." And where does that leave us? Endless edit-wars with people inserting their own, often heinous, opinions in articles, when we must only insert the notable opinions of others, not our own. So, for example, even though I personally believe MA to be an antisemite, and see evidence of genocidal rhetoric against Jews, I cannot, as a good WP editor, insert a sentence like, "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would like nothing more than to see the death of or ethnic cleansing of Jews." Even though it's likely true, I have no right to put that into the article, because it's just my opinion, any more than people are allowed to place in the article sentences like "Well, everybody's just misinterpreting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the guy really ''loves'' Jews." | |||
| My last point, and I sincerely mean no offense by this, is that you might consider making a draft of all your edits on a program like Microsoft Word with an English spellchecker. When you put in edits that aren't grammatically correct and contain numerous spelling errors, you make it very easy for people to justify reverting you. Anyway, sorry for the long message. I think you have the potential to contribute good things, but reacting emotionally to things just hurts one's ability to edit. Cheers. <font color="green">]</font> 12:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
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