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Fromia elegans

Hello. You recently copied a section of Fromia indica to Fromia elegans without giving attribution. CC BY-SA allows you to copy material only if you provide attribution. On Misplaced Pages, that means giving the original article, preferrably with a date or permanent link. I placed a template on the talk page to take care of it this time, but please note this in the future, because it avoids copyright violation.

As for the redirect, I did not create it, but am, (or was,) thinking about splitting the section in Fromia indica there when I finish researching it. I don't think it is good enough for more than a small stub, yet. If you would like to talk on either talk page and provide sources, that would be great! Cheers! —PC-XT+ 03:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks for your kind message. I didn't know there was need to attribute such a short section : I'v never heard of it in the other Misplaced Pages's I contribute to. Is everything fixed now ? About the species, as long as there are two different species given by WoRMS and other reference databases, it is better ton consider that they are different species, and cite the papers that put it into question. Usually, at least in the French Misplaced Pages (but also in most universities and museums), we follow WoRMS for the "official" echinoderm taxonomy (as well as for most other marine living forms), and make redirects only for species considered as synonyms by WoRMS. You can find some other sources I used on the French version of the article (though in French for most of them...). Cheers, FredD (talk) 04:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem. The section is short, and actually unfinished, so it doesn't really matter much. The redirect had been created because it was in the WoRMS synonym list, which usually means a redirect is appropriate. I am still learning how to read WoRMS, and was unsure about turning the redirect into an article at that point, so I was developing one section in the first article, to probably split over the redirect once I had enough for another section or two. In normal articles, this is common practice, but species articles basically have inherent notability from WoRMS, so I understand your desire to make it an article now. I'd like to get better information on Hayashi, 1938 and Marsh, 1977 and make actual citations for them. I'd also like to include more about the animal itself, or even specimens involved, from the sources already cited, and others, as well. —PC-XT+ 06:33, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello again ! I just left a message to Christopher Mah, he'll tell us. Cheers ! FredD (talk) 07:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! That is appreciated! —PC-XT+ 19:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I got Christopher's answer : "Hi Fred, My memory is that is that it is accepted but someone has probably said " is possibly or probably a synonym" or otherwise cast doubt but without any evidence. I will check next week... but it is still accepted...". So I think it deserves its own article, with mention of the taxonomic concern. Kind regards, FredD (talk) 04:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, that's what we'll do, then. Thanks for asking him! Cheers! —PC-XT+ 08:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Other Wikipedias seem divided on the issue. nl:Fromia elegans but sv:Fromia elegans. I've been interrupted from research, (possibly for a while,) but this source is supposed to have something relevant, though I haven't read it to find the page, yet. I think it is the source mentioned by WoRMS and sv:Fromia elegans. I think the confusion is that Fromia elegans H. L. Clark, 1921 is accepted as a species, but Fromia elegans Engel, 1938 is not. —PC-XT+ 21:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

There is no true debate about sv and nl wikipedias, as both are written by robots... They will update from WikiData according to what we do in fr and en. FredD (talk) 03:29, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. I found the page of that PDF, (which basically said the same thing as another source I had already,) and updated the articles to better disambiguate the two descriptions of F. elegans. Thanks for the help and experience! Cheers! —PC-XT+ 05:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I think you have found the knot ! I have made up the French version thanks to your bibliography-mining. If we have any specimen at the Museum in Paris, maybe I will try to take some pictures when I'm back there. Thanks for your research ! FredD (talk) 05:50, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

The French article is good. I like how you mentioned the Torres Strait. That may be a good addition here, as well. I have a French source that I haven't added to an article. I will probably use English sources, instead, but I thought I'd mention this one in case it has something useful for a French article. (It describes 6 arms on Fromia indica, because the specimen was apparently dividing when found, but it's mainly talking about other seastars.) A picture of F. elegans would be great, if you can get one! Happy editing! —PC-XT+ 06:35, 20 August 2014 (UTC) 07:05, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Scientific names in cursive

Please beware that only taxonomic levels below genus (genus+species+subspecies) are in cursive. Higher taxonomic levels, such as families, are never in cursive (WP:MOS and ICZN). Regards, 62.107.215.58 (talk) 13:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I actually know how the zoological code works, and I try to teach it to my students every year. But thank you for correcting some old contributions where copying and paste had apparently carried errors... Normally you will find none on the French version of all these echinoderm articles. Congrats for your vigilance and cheers, FredD (talk) 19:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing

Hello! Thanks for helping expand Echinoderm articles on English Misplaced Pages. When creating Stomopneustes variolaris, it appears you have incorporated some elements from the French Misplaced Pages version, without attributing sources. While the French version has some references, it's important to attribute all content, even should a non-English article be entirely lacking in references, to reduce the risk of errors in translation or perpetuating incorrect, unattributed information. Cheers. --Animalparty-- (talk) 21:58, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

It's fixed, thanks. FredD (talk) 19:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Marine wildlife of Baa Atoll

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		I just had the pleasure of looking over Marine wildlife of Baa Atoll and saw that you had uploaded all the pictures I checked and that you had taken many of the pictures yourself. Thank you for the beautiful pictures and the identifications. Keep up the good work and keep having fun.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  01:46, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, it's a pleasure ! You may also like some similar pages I did in French, such as Biodiversité marine des lagons de la Réunion or Nudibranches de Méditerranée... All the best, FredD (talk) 08:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hello, I would like to create the page Agay (a place in France, which already has an article in many languages). However, it appears that this entry had been created and deleted several times, I don't know why. The page I plan to create is proper and legitimate (the first draft will be a translation of the German page), so may I ask an admin to authorize its creation ? Thanks a lot !

--FredD (talk) 10:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

It was salted because of the word "gay" embedded in it. Some people are rather juvenile. Anyway, I've unprotected it so you should be able to create it. Looks very pretty, btw (I looked at the French version). Let me know if you have problems.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Bbb23, thanks a lot ! I started a stub but quite often the code is not the same as in the french version of wiki, so please don't hesitate to proof-read my work ! Thanks and cheers, FredD (talk) 22:24, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

It's a bit more than a stub. I made a few simple copy edits to the beginning. The most important things you can do are (1) provide more sources (too much material is unsourced) and (2) tone down the article (too much of it sounds like advertising - articles must be encyclopedic) - sections like "Worth seeing" probably shouldn't be included at all. Good luck.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks ! I removed this section and some other potentially promotional things. Best regards, FredD (talk) 07:53, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

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