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	Nikkimaria, Welcome to ] and it was very nice to meet you at the ] yesterday! I have taken the liberty of {{Plain link|url=//en.wikisource.org/search/?title=User%3ANikkimaria&diff=4412383&oldid=4409862 fixing your interwiki link}} on your new userpage ;-) (I also just discovered that {{tl|Cross-wiki diff}} does not work with wikisource!).--]<sup>(] <small>•</small> ])</sup> 21:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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			Hello, I need to delete my old username which is redirecting to my page? Can you help me with this deletion? If not, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance. ] (]) 11:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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			:Looks like this has gotten sorted? ] (]) 23:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
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			::Yes. Another admin help me out. Thanks anyway! ] (]) 06:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
			== ''The Bugle'': Issue 221, September 2024 ==
	Please ask first before moving all the pages for a project you have had no involvement with (AFAIK). ] (]) 14:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	:I was asked to unabbreviate all the GLAM pages, particularly that one. Is there a reason you feel that shouldn't be done? ] (]) 14:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	::By who? I already protested when someone else did the BL ones. It makes the pages more of a pain for those who actually use them, for no great gain in clarity. "BM" is very widely understood over here. ] (]) 14:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	:::Another Believer and Klortho - they were working on moving/categorizing pages and asked for admin assistance in dealing with subpages efficiently. I get that BM is recognized in the UK, but GLAM is meant to be a global project, right? And it's good to be consistent in how those pages are named. ] (]) 15:02, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	::::There's the unpleasant association with "BM" - shorthand for ] - I don't know how common that abbreviation is in Britain, but it's the first thing I think of when I hear "BM". Another aspect we were talking about is that GLAM volunteers may want to show potential new partners these pages, and making page titles nice and clear would be a benefit there. <span style="text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em #DDDDDD">] ]</span> 15:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	:::::No we don't use that at all! ] (]) 16:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	:::::"We" = ]. ]&nbsp;<sup>]] ]]</sup> 15:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	::::::I hope it won't be like the last NY one which imposed a dreadful US-centric design on the main GLAM pages, and I'm not sure achieved much else. At least that one had some international participation. GLAM Is indeed a "global project" and a handful of people in the US ought to be careful about making sweeping changes to pages relating to projects elsewhere. ] (]) 16:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::That's true, but at the same time I think you'll agree that the GLAM pages are horribly decentralized onto multiple pages and wikis, and some tidying is in order. :-) ]&nbsp;<sup>]] ]]</sup> 23:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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	Thanks for making the names of those GLAM-related projects a bit clearer... What do you think of my proposal at ]? Mostly looking to drop the "-related" from the project category names. ] (]) 19:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
	:I think ] was looking at reorganizing GLAM-related categories - maybe give him a ping about it. ] (]) 04:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
	::Did so. Thanks for the pointer. :) ] (]) 06:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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	re: ]. I saw a post regarding the lead. I wasn't real sure about some of the commas there, but given the reason to "pause" in the discussion - I didn't change anything. I always respect the original author's intent. So in the end, I think it's a beautiful article, and I thank you for all that work. I admit that the topic is not my forte, but a friend or two asked that I have a look and offer a supportive word. You do good work Nikki ... thank you for your efforts. Cheers. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 07:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
	== re: Hemingway cats ==		== ] ==
	You may want to read this: ], specifically "Unless the change is non-controversial (such as vandalism or a duplicate), please do not remove the category from pages before the community has made a decision.". Adding a cat, but not being allowed to delete it, it standard practice, and not gaming the system. Adding cats is allowed so that people can see the full potential scope of a category, especially one nominated for deletion - deleting is disallowed for the same reason (if the cat is deleted by consensus, it will be removed automatically) Best regards, --] (]) 14:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
	:Sorry, but no. Saying that a category can be added but not removed is absolutely gaming, because it does not allow for the normal consensus-seeking process. You made an edit, it was reverted, you need to allow time for discussion. ] (]) 14:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
	::Did you actually read the guidance? Have you participated in CfD discussions before? --] (]) 14:47, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
	:::Yes and yes. Have you actually read ], the page you cited incorrectly to kick this off? ] (]) 14:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
	::::let's just centralize this then at Hemingway.--] (]) 14:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
			Hi, I didn't read the whole article. I would like to ask you: do you think what this user wrote is true or not? Almost everything seems fine to me. ] (]) 12:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
	== TFA ==
	Hi Nikki, congrats on the ] -- very happy to be sharing ] of the front page with you... ;-) Cheers, ] (]) 01:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)		:I think the article is mostly appropriately balanced. ] (]) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
	:Thanks Ian! ] (]) 04:15, 1 May 2013 (UTC)		::I hope the article isn't even a little biased against Italy, it wouldn't be fair at all. ] (]) 14:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
	::Excellent article, thank you! Minor point: the picture on the left, right under a heading, as in "Effects", should be avoided, according to the MOS, - but now TFA does it every day ;) --] (]) 07:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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			== Why did you delete Kellogg? ==
	Hi Nikki,
			no need to just redirect it as he is such a popular character and has an entire character arc and should not be reduced to a simple page with no text and a simple redirect. Please answer me as to why you did this ] (]) 20:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
	It was great to meet you this past weekend. You asked me to let you know when I initiated my next FAC. I just did so ]. Any constructive comments you are willing to provide there would be greatly appreciated.
			:Hi ], the article's only reference was to an open wiki, which is ]. It also does not appear that the character has received ], which is what is generally needed to have a standalone article. 20:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
	] (]) 20:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
	== Modern skin ==		== FAC Mentoring ==
			I talked to {{U|Gerda Arendt}} on having my article I'm working on (]) for FAC months ago, and she said that she is currently busy with other things. Which is why I'm finding a second mentor for FAC. Do you mind checking the article and ] for any feedback, updates, and improvements? Thank you. ''']''' <small><small>''']]'''</small></small> 12:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
	I hope it's better now for you, I added some english wikipedia specific 'quickfixes', until the time arrives that the devs get it fixed. —] (] • ]) 22:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Cool, at least the thing sort of works now, thanks. ] (]) 22:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
			:Hi ], pop music isn't really my area of interest, but I can give some general feedback. Could you clarify your plan regarding the sandbox? Will it replace the current article, or are you going to try to merge the two? ] (]) 00:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
	== ''The Signpost'': 29 April 2013 ==
			::{{Ping|Nikkimaria}} Sorry for the late reply. The content of my sandbox will replace the current article once its complete. Currently, I believe it's 85-90% complete. ''']''' <small><small>''']]'''</small></small> 12:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
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	I like . Please act on it. The single instrumental parts need to appear, - if the list is too long, they can be abbreviated ;) --] (]) 10:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:No, they don't. We've been over this already. ] (]) 12:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Define "we". Voceditenore and I know that they have to appear as substantial information from the article (and I could find a few other people, if you need it). The only question is how they can appear best, you know that we are working on it. Until we found a better solution, the list with all links seems the most precise. --] (]) 13:26, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::I know you're working on not addressing concerns. There is no "have to appear", Gerda. ] (]) 13:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::You know more than I do then. The individual instrumentation of the cantatas is the distinction between them, yes, it has to appear, the infobox should reflect the important facts from the article, that s my concern. Did you read ? --] (]) 19:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Gerda, not everything can or should be in a box. I know you feel differently, so I've tried multiple ways at compromising and addressing your concerns - but so far you and your compatriots have seemed more interested in reverting. Remember, I told you, compromise not capitulation. ] (]) 19:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::You are so right, not everything belongs in a box. For a piece of music, the essential information about the music (!) should go in the box. For ], that is the scoring. It doesn't take room in the article that would not be white space otherwise. I confess that I have no clue what your interest is. Mine is to represent Bach's music as well as I can. (Please tell me what "compatriots" means.) --] (]) 19:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::ps: , with thanks, --] (]) 07:09, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::pps: you saw what Bach thought about the importance of the instruments, original title for example "Concerto a 1 Oboe, 2 Violini, 2 Viole, Fagotto è 4 Voci coll' Organo", --] (]) 07:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::I ''do'' wish people wouldn't treat the infobox as some sort of important summary of the article. It's a superficial and reductive presentation of 'select' information. Hell, the infobox isn't event mandatory. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small><sup>]</sup> 10:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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	Thank you for your helpful comments and suggestions on cleanup at the FAC for '']''.
			what is FAC, FAR, & DYK ? ... ] (]) 07:43, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
	Perhaps you could help a bit? I'll do my best to address your concerns, but after that I might need some more specific pointers on where to fix up the formatting issues.
			: (watching) when you see any abbreviation on Misplaced Pages, try to find out if it is a shortcut link to something: ], ], ]. --] (]) 13:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)
			== ''The Signpost'': 26 September 2024 ==
	Thanks again for your helpful suggestions on this important topic related to ], &mdash; ''']''' (]) 19:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Okay, but let's centralize this at the review page - post any questions you might have over there. ] (]) 22:08, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Sure, I've been trying to focus on your helpful recommendations and editing the article to address those. I'm almost done but might be a few more hours. &mdash; ''']''' (]) 02:17, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
	{{outdent}}Update: I've posted a response at ].
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	Thanks again for the helpful recommendations, we've made changes to address them, and I believe the article is much better for it.
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	&mdash; ''']''' (]) 04:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Update: Added responses to your 2nd set of recommendations. I agree the article is looking better thanks to your help! Thanks again, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 20:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Thanks very much for your great suggestions, we've made a bit of changes to address them, and also done several passes of copyediting. Care to have another look and perhaps reevaluate your position at ]? :) &mdash; ''']''' (]) 01:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Update: {{user|Neelix}} made some really great recommendations and I've gone ahead and implemented all of those suggestions. Perhaps you could reevaluate your position on the article? &mdash; ''']''' (]) 05:53, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Hey Cirt, I'll drop by again after Tony's comments have been addressed - he's raising some more issues with prose. ] (]) 14:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. :) I'll get right on addressing those. Sometimes in my past FAC noms {{user|Tony1}} opposes right away, so it's encouraging he didn't do that and just left some helpful comments, instead. :) His remark at the end of his comments, "Nice to see one of our main experts in the US Supreme Court preparing a nom.", also was motivational for me to go ahead and address things in the hope this FAC nom might actually make it! :) Thank you, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 15:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::Update: Okay, I've gone ahead and implemented all the suggested changes made by {{user|Tony1}}. I happened to agree with all of those recommendations so I just incorporated all of them. Hope you're doing well, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 15:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::I've gone ahead and implemented all the helpful suggestions, by {{user|Neelix}}, at the FAC. I also trimmed one of the images from the image check by {{user|Crisco 1492}}. Perhaps you can check back and reevaluate your position? Thank you for your time, &mdash; ''']''' (]) 18:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
	{{outdent}}'''Update:''' Could you please have another look at '']''? I've left some updates at ]. I went back through your comments and incorporated more of your suggestions and those of others. The article now includes only two (2) quoted sentences in its entirety. Perhaps it is now up to a level where you could reassess your position at the FAC? &mdash; ''']''' (]) 01:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
			{{ping|Chipmunkdavis}} - {{ping|CambridgeBayWeather}} Not sure what is best to do here. We have some great infomation from ] about forest being added all over...however they are using a ] not peer reviewed or published in an academic journal or offical yet. In the cases of Canada we have "real" numbers.
	== Thanks! ==
			Though the numbers are close to Canada offical numbers they are a bit off. I plan to fix the Canada numbers..but what about the rest?
	I appreciate the time you spent to comment at the ] for ].--] 02:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
			Working paper = https://openknowledge.fao.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/a6e225da-4a31-4e06-818d-ca3aeadfd635/content
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			:<small>The Forest Resources Assessment Working Paper Series is designed to reflect the activities and progress of the FRA Programme of FAO. Working Papers are not authoritative information sources – they do not reflect the official position of FAO and should not be used for official purposes. Please refer to the FAO forestry website (www.fao.org/forestry) for access to official information. The Forest Resources Assessment Working Paper Series provides an important forum for the rapid release of information related to the FRA programme. Should users find any errors in the documents or would like to provide comments for improving their quality they should contact fra@fao.org</small>
			Offical numbers = https://natural-resources.canada.ca/sites/nrcan/files/forest/sof2023/NRCAN_SofForest_Annual_2023_EN_accessible-vf(1).pdf
	Hi there - I saw your summary note for ]. Must say, I wasn't aware about dropping accessdates for gbooks. Will try and remember to delete that in the future as it's an autopopulated field in the gbooks citation tool which I use. --] (]) 13:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
			- <span style="font-weight:bold;color:darkblue">]</span>🍁 12:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
	:I know, and it shouldn't be - GBooks are (almost always) digital versions of print books rather than independent web sources. ] (]) 13:52, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Just saw this .... if this is the case now (It is what I do anyways) we should talk to someone about removing the parameter from and ]. The tools are used thousands of times a day - thus we will never catch up if the tools are not fixed...loosing battle that we should address.] (]) 17:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
			:@] I'm out of town until Sunday, and I forgot my laptop. I'll take a look on Monday. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 12:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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			::I saw this pop up on Botswana but haven't taken a closer look yet. As an initial comment, these pushing the same edit over hundreds of articles type missions don't usually lead to great improvement. I'm not opposed to an FAO working paper in principle, but I would not use it over the Canada document you link. ] (]) 12:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
	Could you please revisit this page and say whether you feel all concerns have been adequately addressed? This nomination has been gathering dust for quite some time now. It would be much appreciated if you could come take a look! '''<span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span>]]''' 11:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::Hi {{ping|Chipmunkdavis}}, {{ping|CambridgeBayWeather}}, {{ping|Moxy}}, just to correct a missunderstanding, to clarify:
	:I think given an entirely new reviewer would be preferable. ] (]) 14:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::* The numbers '''do not''' come from the working paper, the working paper is to provide a reference for the terms used in the text.
	::It's difficult to find new reviewers for rather old DYK nominations. For a smooth and timely handling of the case, in this case it might be useful if you stay on. I have brought these weird attribution disclaimers to the attention of the nominator. Let's see how he responds now.'''<span style="color:#880000;">—♦♦ </span>]]''' 19:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::* The numbers come from the main UN Food and Agriculture Organization ], the data for Canada is taken from . The data for the FRA is collated from each government, so there will also be a Canadian government source which also includes these statistics (perhaps the one you reference). The data collated by the UN is published every 5 years since 1948 so its possible that the source you site is more up to date.
	:::I guess we'll see, but I don't have great expectations. ] (]) 19:58, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::I hope that helps
			:::Thanks
			:::] (]) 13:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
			::::Thanks. It's not a bad source, but like all UN data it should be treated with care. An odd case, for some reason Italy submits a different official English name to the UN than it uses on its constitution's official English translation. ] (]) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
			:::::I think regardless of sourcing, the level of detail being added is excessive for a top-level country page. ] (]) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
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	Stop reverting without discussion. It's rude and dismissive. I've made my case but you And truth seeker haven't made yours. You can't say take it to talk and then not go to talk. Get over your wp:own issues and bring a logical guidance based argument - otherwise Stop reverting.--] (]) 14:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:No, you stop. There are hundreds of kilobytes of discussion about this all over the wiki, and it's eminently clear that there is no consensus to do much of anything at the moment. Your revert warring is doing a lot of damage, so we need to discuss ''first'', slow things down, talk it out like reasonable human beings. Better yet, why don't you devote this time to working on that category-intersection thing? That looked like a viable idea. In the meantime, if you need a policy-based argument, here one is: ]. It's against you, whether you agree with it or not. ] (]) 14:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:: Nikki that is a passive aggressive argument. You've reverted 3 times since April 30 but you haven't said a single word on talk. I'm there and have laid out my case. where is yours? The last word in ] is discuss, but you're just silently reverting. Not acceptable. If you have a good argument why Hemingway is either not a man or not a 20th century novelist please bring it to talk. There are not any discussions anywhere on the wiki that I've see that dispute the validity of the by-century cats like {{cl|20th-century American novelists}}, so you're gravely mistaken, And the {{cl|American men novelists}} cat '''cannot be removed from an article currently under discussion''' - you should know this - and truthseeker has already been warned of same on her talk page by experienced admin (brownhairedgirl). So if you wanna to talk, talk - but otherwise plz go away and cut out the passive aggressive silent reverts. --] (]) 15:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::First off, try getting her name right. As I've already explained, your assertion regarding the men cat is contrary to policy, and there's plenty of discussion elsewhere to explain why keeping the more general categories is a valid approach. Given the obvious tension surrounding this issue, it would be best to determine what categories the article should have on talk before applying them. As for discussion, I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I "haven't said a single word on talk" from - even a cursory glance there will show that to be false. ] (]) 16:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::: Nikki you've reverted twice since April 30 and have made zero posts to talk since the 30th. Therefore You're engaging in passive aggressive revert behavior - exhorting me to go to talk But not deigning to show up there yourself. Thus, kindly stop - if you have an argument With the cats I've added, make your case, don't just blindly revert.
	::::Secondly, please rename this Section Header, it is demeaning and gives an impression That this is how I named the section for people who don't read edit history. It's also childish, and For someone with a mop I expect more maturity. Please rename to something neutral. --] (]) 21:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Obiwan, there is an ongoing discussion at talk in which three editors, including myself, have objected to all or part of your changes to categories. Whether I respond to every post of yours there or not, consensus is currently against you, so you shouldn't be trying to push your changes through again, and it shouldn't come as a surprise to you that your changes are reverted. Nor should you have been changing comments by other people or reverting me on my own talk page, but as a show of good faith I've changed the header. ] (]) 22:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:: thanks. For another show of good faith, show up at the talk page and make your case. Your last revert Removed a category you yourself had added a few days earlier so it's completely Nonsensical and I feel like you're not even reading diffs. Plz propose the set of cats You accept, those you dont, and reasons why. Silent reverts helps nothing. If you don't show up At talk, I will assume silence is consent. --] (]) 22:20, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::I would prefer you actually read what I wrote. I read the diff, and I agree with TK that it's preferable to go back to the status quo while discussions everywhere are ongoing. That's why I reverted both your edit and my own. For now, given the broader discussions going on, it would be better to hash things out at a meta-level first and leave the articles alone until our approach has been solidified. The status quo will do for now. ] (]) 01:11, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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	You read ] and know that they typically rely on three types of text, contemporary poetry, Bible text and chorale. Which amount in a specific cantata, is important, believe me. I will update the infobox documentation, but not now. Can you can tell me a better way than naming the movements with Bible text and chorale, and more precision than naming the specific passage and chorale? Please improve, --] (]) 20:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:]: you collapsed, again, knowing that I am against collapsing of infoboxes. Where is your problem? That infobox is not long, and doesn't moving a picture out of context. - Some authors like infoboxes on "their" articles collapsed, - I respect that. --] (]) 20:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:]: In that case your collapsing creates whitespace,- please explain why you want the poor reader to click once more to get vital information, text and music??? --] (]) 20:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:]: I read "solo voices: A T B • 2 oboes ..." - if you don't explain by adding "instruments:" before "2 oboes", it looks misleading, if you do, it's longer than {{para|vocal}} and {{para|instrumental}}. This is tomorrows cantata, I will revert as not convinced it's an improvement. --] (]) 21:07, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Gerda, I'm trying to find a way to compromise between what we want. Not everything is important, not everything can be explained well or precisely in a box. We can certainly discuss a different way of compromising, but simply reverting doesn't accomplish that. I've changed the order on 87 to address your concern. The list on 103 is quite long, so collapsing is a good compromise; otherwise, I'd suggest removing the list entirely, as this article is about structure, not the piece as a whole - the table one screen down gives a much more precise overview of instrumentation. On 76, the uncollapsed box displaces a section heading and causes sandwiching of text with the next seciton; the whitespace with the collapse is minimal and much less concerning. On 37, sure: a better way would be to explain it in the article. You just added that template today, and the article was better without it. ] (]) 22:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::I am not "simply reverting", I explained above. I am ready to discuss, but it's hard to see you changing things in many articles that you seem not to to understand. Please say whom you mean in "we want". I am dealing with Bach cantatas for three years now, I don't try to put "everything" in the infobox", but the vital information on text and music should appear and be visible. - I don't find any Bach cantata infobox long, compared to politicians. I don't see a problem with a section header (sandwiching a picture would be different). I said before that I don't think collapsing (other than a long list for one parameter) is any good, it's no service to the reader to ask him for an extra click to see something hidden. I have a hard time to accept it in articles of others, much harder in those close to my heart. Do you understand? --] (]) 22:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::You said: "I've changed the order on 87 to address your concern." - Sorry, it doesn't work. The standard order is solo voices - choir - orchestra. To mention the choir first was my compromise. To go further as you did and mention the oboes first doesn't make any sense, actually it looks unprofessional. --] (]) 22:33, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Actually, solo - choir - orchestra would also address your concern that a reader might think an oboe was a voice. Why don't we do that, then? Or we could change "solo voice" to "solo vocal". I'm not sure why mentioning choir first would be a compromise, given that it doesn't actually fix anything, so if you prefer the other way that's fine. ] (]) 01:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Yes, Gerda, I understand that you have a hard time accepting anything other than what you want. You've made that abundantly clear. However, what I don't think you understand is that you are already getting almost everything you want. I would much prefer that most of the cantata articles not have any infoboxes at all, because pretty much every example I've looked at is misleading, confusing, or otherwise problematic. The only reason I haven't gone through and removed all of them is because I respect that you like them. So I'm trying to find a way to improve a poor medium, to compromise with you. I've tried many many different approaches at doing that, and almost every effort you have reverted or denigrated. You've also reverted improvements unrelated to the infobox, with no explanation. So yes, Gerda, you are simply reverting, and yes, you are trying to fill pretty much every parameter that infobox has. ] (]) 01:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::I am sorry you see it this way. I think an infobox is a good medium, and if we don't add one, others do. Look what you get if you "google" Bach or Carmen. You go through all Bach cantatas before the discussion on the template talk is even finished, why? - Order: in a vocal work, you mention voices first and separate. Changes to your changes are in order, please consider to do so yourself, I did it for the two of today, fifth Sunday after Easter, called Rogate. In an opera, you don't list an orchestral oboe first, even if it may play a solo in an aria. --] (]) 08:21, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:::::::Thank you, --] (]) 20:09, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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	I looked through the category and ] looks like a good one for quality improvement, what do you think? &mdash; ''']''' (]) 20:17, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
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			I requested a renewal for complimentary access to ] on September 27. However, I cannot access the full archive. When I clicked on "Account Details," it reads under the Subscription info, "You're currently a Registered Guest. This free subscription gets you access to search newspapers but you will not be able to view the full page. Get a paid subscription for access." ]] 08:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
	I'm not going to template a regular who is normally a solid contributor, but you have almost violated 3RR . I'm concerned that you seem to be deliberately collapsing or removing scoring information from these infoboxes and are claiming some sort of consensus exists where I see an ongoing debate with at least 4 or 5 different people all having slightly different nuanced positions. I'm rather tired of infobox wars (infoboxes are good in general, should contain proper documentation for the user to get a quick glance, and "seaofblue" isn't relevant in an infobox, that's a text issue) so I'm not going to be arguing with you a lot about this, but it seems you are rather determined to try and derail the work of a solid content editor for whom I have considerable respect and I do wish you'd stop. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
	:I have no intention of violating anything. I've already pointed out that your reading of various discussions on the matter has been less than accurate, but I also don't want to argue with you about it, as it's fairly clear we're not going to agree. However, let me just say this: I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved (and there's a conversation above that might provide some background for you). In my opinion, you don't appear to be doing the same. I understand the urge to defend a friend, but I wish you'd stop - you're not helping matters. ] (]) 21:58, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::RE-"I am trying to show respect for all content editors involved" - I don't see how when you continue in edit warring to the limit on multiple articles with multiple editors over a long period of time in your war upon infoboxes until others give up and leave it in the form you want. You've been around plenty long enough to what karma brings in such a case. And admins should know better, they are not immune. ] ] 22:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Never claimed to be immune, Pumpkin, but you're not seeing everything. ] (]) 01:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Oh, and you are? Hardly. But that's okay because you know that John Lennon song, "Instant Karma's gonna get you", and the best part is I won't have to do a single thing. You can't escape karma. ] ] 02:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::Never claimed that either - y'all might read a bit more carefully. ] (]) 02:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::What you say in a discussiona and what your actions are don't mesh--that's the problem.] ] 13:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::Pumpkin, it doesn't seem like you're reading what I say in a discussion anyway. But let's leave Ealdgyth's post below as the last word on the matter - she makes good points. ] (]) 13:15, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	: May an outside observer point out that from my viewpoint, both sides have a point about the other side's behavior over infoboxes? The people adding them are definitely pushing to get them into every single article - or at least so it appears. And the guidelines are pretty clear that infoboxes are not required. And I've yet to see a very good discussion that clearly shows a consensus on the project that they are considered "almost required". On the other hand, it doesn't help the people trying to avoid having infoboxes everywhere to adopt the same tactics of just reverting reverting reverting either. There are good points on all sides, and it would help if folks quit treating it quite so much like "my side has to win". That is all. ] - ] 12:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::I would agree to some degree with Ealdgyth, but IMHO the nod needs to go to the content creator(s), who, arguably, have the expertise in the subject and the best reason to see the need for an infobox and what is needed within one. Gerda (above) is not only a person who does an outstanding job in general of AGF (and is the creator of the "Precious" award), but also has expertise in classical music, and Bach in particular, so I personally think for both reasons she deserves a lot more respect than she is getting. I've commented before that there seems to be a ] debate going on about this, across multiple articles and project talk pages. But far be it from me to interfere when the teachers want to give detention to everyone instead of sorting out the threads of the dispute... (sigh) ]<sup>]</sup> 18:21, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::: (ec) I very carefully did NOT step in and name names or anything like that. The content creator thing goes both ways with both sides... neither side is the that only one creates content... I've seen the infobox folks swoop in on content they didn't create and add an infobox and then edit war to keep it in and then there are the no infobox folks going in and removing infoboxes on articles they didn't create. There are no clean hands here and really, I wasn't playing teacher. I was merely pointing out that it's not all black and white on both sides and if folks would quit entrenching themselves into "sides" they might actually solve the problem rather than just sniping constantly at each other. I see sniping/edit warring/nastiness from all sides... not from everyone on either side, but it does happen from both some of the pro-infobox folks and some of the anti-infobox folks. A bit more compromising and a lot less mentioning other people's names would go far towards descalating the whole problem. ] - ] 18:41, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Well, I agree with that, but I just wish that certain people here would be a lot less arrogant and show some respect for someone I know to be well worth that respect and who is making a sincere, good faith attempt to work with others and to improve the encyclopedia. Gerda isn't a part of the various factions, she's very sincere in her attempts to improve the articles and she's getting picked on too much. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::I understand that you feel the need to protect your friend, but you're right, you're not helping. ] (]) 19:48, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::I'd agree Montanabw. I reverted not because I have a position on the info box issues, but because in watching discussion in the last few days what I see is comments and edit summaries that are becoming personalized, show owner ship and used as reason to revert, and which are in effect subtle attacks on a well meaning, hard working and knowledgable content editor.
	:::::::We cannot assume motive and we can't personalize discussion. There is no reason any discussion on Misplaced Pages can't continue and become productive as long as it doesn't become personal. Further there are DR processes that can help without "reversion therapy". Its easy for any of us to become frustrated and slide into even subtle mud slinging but maybe this discussion can step back from falling deeper into that particular hole. (] (]) 20:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC))
	::::::::Nikki: As long as you read the comments here in a superficial way as only pertaining to friendship which in my case it is not, nor do I see that comments here are friendship based rather than pertaining to Misplaced Pages issues, then there will be very little change. Both sides have to compromise and your comments indicate you may not be ready to do that. Compromise requires looking at a big picture, and knowing no one has ownership. The editors I have respected the most are those who after along struggle have had the ability to step back and say OK, I can try something else, and not the ones who have to win at any cost. Just my opinion and I won't say more. Best wishes.(] (]) 20:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC))
	:::::::::Thanks for making my point for me, Olive. ] (]) 20:24, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::::::She wasn't agreeing with you, she was agreeing with me, your out-of sequence comment makes it look otherwise. Don't be gaming the system. (and yes, this reply is out of sequence too, just keeping the conversations together) ]<sup>]</sup> 21:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	No Nikki, your sarcastic comment in the face of someone who is trying to help doesn't make your point, believe me. Please reconsider your position and tone as a mature editor and admin. (] (]) 20:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC))
	add to clarify: None of my comments were addressed to Montanabw in case my comments were read that way.(] (]) 21:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC))
	:You misunderstand - it wasn't sarcastic. I actually do agree with most of what you and Ealdgyth said. ] (]) 20:37, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::No worries:O)(] (]) 20:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC))
	::: Nikkimaria having twice removed from this location, I shall simply point out that it exists in history and per OWNPAGE, its removal is proof that it has been read) ]<sup>]</sup> 23:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Poor Nikkimaria - whichever notification she's getting, can't be fun, right now. FWIW, I've been watching this and agree with Nikkimaria for the following reasons: I know not a thing about music and am tone deaf. I don't know what SATB means and when I hover my cursor over it get a big question mark which is not helpful at all. I have noticed in these discussions that Gerda has been remarkably adept at explaining and it would be best to see some of those explanations put into text, particularly for dimwits such as myself, rather than as single letters in an infobox. Once in the lead or in the text, then the infobox should be collapsed. Okay, have butted in enough and used up my capital for today, but that's my unsolicited 2 cents. ] (]) 21:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::Thanks TK, your opinions are always welcome. ] (]) 21:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::::And you criticize others for having "friends?" Pot. Kettle. Really dear. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::::I think that's really unnecessary Montanabw. Nikkimaria and I rarely communicate - I leave a message here every now and then, and she much more seldom will leave one on my page. Our editing tends to overlap - but that's really more a function of keeping FA articles on watch, and tends to happen with a number of people. Certainly I see Gerda posting here much more frequently. All that said, it's not about friends. The post I left Nikkimaria was for Gerda to read as well because I do think she does a good job of articulating the intricacies of the cantatas here and it would be nice to see more of that in the articles. My suspicion has long been that NM is trying to move Gerda away from an over-reliance on infoboxes and toward more text development. If that's the case, then in fact, NM is doing a favor for the readers and for Gerda. ] (]) 23:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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	I am on vacation, so of little help. Please tell me what needs to be clarified on the Bach cantatas after reading ] and the documentation on the infobox on Bach's compositions, and after actually linking to SATB, it has an article. We agreed in 2010 that details don't have to be repeated in every single one of about 200 cantatas. - I wish for no infobox to be collapsed, feeling it's against the very spirit of an infobox, - long lists in one parameter being the only exception I would want. But I don't own the articles I created and supplied with an infobox. I truly don't understand the last comment about me needing to move to more content, but then I also read that I need to be re-integrated in the community, both comments are amusing, sort of, --] (]) 10:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
	:TK, a comment like "NM is trying to move Gerda away from an over-reliance on infoboxes and toward more text development" is utter hogwash. Gerda is an expert content contributor with dozens and dozens of DYKs and a substantial number of GA-class articles. To state that she has "over-reliance" on infoboxes is ridiculous! She creates substantial content, well-researched, from an expert point of view AND does all of the above with English as a second language! What is going on is a sideshow to the larger issue of infoboxes in the assorted classical music articles generally, and Gerda simply favors their inclusion (as do I). Here, we seem to have what looks to me like an obsession on NM's part to removing critical summary data on scoring from said Bach cantata infoboxes, which is escalating to the bullying of a sound content editor by a bunch of people who are far less knowledgeable about music that she is. I've called it a ] argument before, and I shall say it again. NM is, in this case, the amateur and this tendentious debate over about 1/2 inch of infobox space really needs to end. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
	::I'm somewhat curious to know on what basis you're dubbing me an "amateur" and suggesting participants in a classical music project know little about classical music (especially since some claim music professions), but really I think this conversation has outlived its usefulness. ] (]) 20:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
			== Hallowell ==
	Useful or not, I woke up with a thought I would like to share (not in response to the immediate above): the differentiation of infobox and content seems strange. Infobox IS content, actually its most condensed version, that we should take care to make as good as we can. For me, that means 1) accessible without an extra click, 2) for cantatas a separate entry for {{para|vocal}} and {{para|instrumental}} because - as you will know - independent instruments differentiate a cantata from a motet, for example, where I would prefer {{para|scoring}}, 3) the choir first in {{para|vocal}}, as the secret star of most cantatas, at least for those where the choir starts, also for the immediate link to the voice parts. {{unsigned|Gerda Arendt}}
	:Earlier up the page, you said "The standard order is solo voices - choir - orchestra. To mention the choir first was my compromise". You had also earlier pointed out that {{para|scoring}} is specific to cantatas because of where it links to. To clarify, have you changed your mind about these things? I don't think we agree about what infoboxes are, but you're right that it should be a "most condensed version" that we make as good as possible. ] (]) 13:02, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
	::I have a language problem, or several. 1) Yes, I said the standard listing is solo/choir/orchestra - but that was to fight oboe first. In several edit summaries I agreed that - for Bach cantatas - it may be good to deviate from the standard, to mention the choir first which typically starts, and at the same time get the link in front. - 2) Yes, I mentioned the {{para|scoring}} with a link, but that made sense only when the link was needed for the abbreviations of instruments, to be followed by the use of them. It doesn't make sense any more now. - 3) When I said "most condensed" I meant "more condensed than the article", not "the shorter the infobox the better". - 4) I see no sense in collapsing more than one parameter at a time. The template doing so was questioned, and may be deleted eventually. --] (]) 20:58, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Er, what? It was nominated for deletion and was kept. ] (]) 01:27, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Closing admin said "kept for now", remember? I could live happily without it ;) --] (]) 21:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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			:Hi ], I find bundling useful when there's a reason to do it, like adding annotation, but I'm not generally a fan for just combining citations - in my view having multiple clickable numbers is no different from a usability perspective from having multiple citations within one clickable number (plus it makes it harder to repeat a single ref). ] (]) 01:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
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			Unless there's a real reason as to why my popular culture addition about the Terminator and Parscs shouldn't be added, don't remove it. What reason would there be? It's popular culture and I cited the references. ] (]) 22:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
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	Per and , especially given the controversial nature that you know these category additions to be, could you please use better edit summaries, and not hide them in a "formatting" edit. Thanks. --] (]) 21:15, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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	==Thanks and explanation==
	Hi Nikkimaria, thanks for the revert on Hemingway (though I see that Obiwan objects to the edit summary!). Basically I hit a wall. Ironically after catching a break in my schedule after a very grueling 8 months of work, today I checked out books from the library with the intention of cleaning and expanding some of the Am. lit novelist biographies. But when I saw , it made me think, who am I to stand in the way of category diffusion if I'm to be called abhorrent. I find the push to segregate men from women under the guise of diffusion unbelievably sexist and abhorrent, but I decided to step out because I'll never win. If it does come to an RfC, which it should, the well has been muddied with the canvassing, and given the environment of the past two weeks it's very clear that my opinion - though based on subject expertise - is meaningless. So, though I find editing here relaxing for the most part, this is a battle, like so many others, that I just can't give to anymore. Just thought I'd let you know. Also thanks for fixing the description on the Pound img that the bot left a msg about. That can probably be deleted. I've decided to unwatch all the novelists for now. They can find another woman with subject expertise to write and maintain those articles. Sorry if this sounds defeatist. ] (]) 21:30, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Sorry, TK. I hope once this whole mess dies down a bit (and hopefully some sort of resolution is found), you can come back, but you should do whatever's best for you. ] (]) 21:35, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Hi TK. I saw that you blanked your userpage - I hope you'll be back after a break. A few things I'd like to clarify however:
	::#'''I never called you, nor anyone, directly, or indirectly, ''abhorrent''''' - if you read what I wrote, it says "he will be instead a {{cl|20th-century American novelists}}, which is abhorrent to some." - meaning, if Hemingway is ''only'' a 20th-century American novelist, ''this new categorization is seen as abhorrent by some people.'' By "some people", I was not referring to you, but to '''everyone''' who is protecting novelists from any sort of diffusion, (against logic and practice everywhere else in the wiki, in my opinion). So I think you may have misread my intent.
	::#If I did call anyone names, it was here: "I am obviously on the side that they should, but the ''protectors-of-the-novelist'' think not" - so, not that harsh a name, perhaps not as civil as it should be, so I'm sorry but I'm also frustrated by this debate, and by the fact that no-one is focusing on the real issue which I've been beating the drum on and trying to rally people around - still-extant-widespread-ghettoization of women and minorities via categories. To say nothing of the broader sexism issues, but that is a bit beyond my ken to try to tackle.
	::#"I find the push to segregate men from women under the guise of diffusion unbelievably sexist and abhorrent" - I see absolutely nothing about improper segregation of men and women in the current discussions about novelists - our guidelines on this are clear ], and I've reverted editors and asked them to revert when I saw them not following this guidance. The community voted ''en-masse'' to keep the women novelists cat, and the community is as-of-yet undecided on the men-novelists-cat. I don't control consensus, but if the men novelists category remains, it should be populated, in the same way the women novelists cat is. I don't think this is segregation, any more than a women's literature class is segregation - especially given they will all be in non-gendered cats together (i.e. either {{cl|American novelists}} or {{cl|20th-century American novelists}})
	::#Minor point: I didn't object to the edit summary on the Hemingway revert, I opposed it on Edith Wharton and Kurt Vonnegut.
	::I understand you're frustrated and you need to do what you need to do, but please don't do it because you think I called you abhorrent, please stop putting words in my mouth and misquoting me, and please don't walk away because I or anyone else arguing for diffusion is pushing for any sort of improper gender segregation - I'm not, and I don't think others are. If it were up to me, we'd move to category intersection, and there would be no gendered categories at all, except at the highest level (e.g. {{cl|American men}}, {{cl|American women}}).
	::Anyway, be well. --] (]) 22:10, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
			:Hi ], this type of content needs ], ] sourcing that ] in order to be included. ] (]) 01:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
	== ] ] ==
			::Really?! The pop culture tidbit above mine using citation #23 has an invalid link! I went above and beyond to cite my sources. ] (]) 06:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::Yes, really - if other entries are inappropriately sourced those should be addressed rather than more added. ] (]) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
	Hi! During the ] of Tripura (which was withdrawn largely for prose issues), you did an image review. In the ] image review has been done. Although this FAC did not see much participation, lately Casliber did review it.
			== Peer Review Request ==
	I was wondering if it will be possible for you to do a source review. I guess delegates would want that. If and when you have time, could you please have a look? I hope this communication with you would not be considered as canvassing. Regards.--] (]) 22:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Hi! We do not need source review as of now. The article was promoted. Thanks.--] (]) 17:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
			Hello Nikkimaria, I was wondering if you could give this article a peer review? I saw you on the peer review volunteer page and wanted to ask someone for one. The article is ] and here's the ]. She's a jazz bassist in New York City who has released two albums so far. I came across this article a week ago and have been improving it as much as I can. I'm not a very experienced editor and I'm sure I'm missing a lot in this article. Any feedback would be appreciated.
	== Novelists do not need to be in parent cats when in century specific cats. ==
			Thanks, ] (]) 23:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
	], ], ] and other similar categories are legitimate diffusing categories of ]. People should not be in the parent category if they are in the child categories. If you do not think the child categories should exist you are free to nominate them for deletion or merger, but as long as they exist people should not be in both them and the parent categories.] (]) 16:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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			hi hi, seen you’ve taken down my rimsky-korsakov infobox, i checked the note and the annexed wiki project, and decided to still add the infobox as the talk page for him isn’t active, how shall i proceed with it? ] (]) 10:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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	== wtf==
	can you please stop hiding category edits in random "clean-up" summaries? There is currently a discussion about these "massacres" categories going on at the indigenous people's project - in the meantime i'd appreciate if you'd stop with your "cleanup". --] (]) 01:50, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Can you plz centralize discussion at the indigenous people's project, where discussion is ongoing? --] (]) 02:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
	::As I've already said, the issues I see aren't related to those being discussed there. That discussion centres on the potential merging of those categories, the cat title, and the quality of the list - issues that, while important, aren't germane to my edits. As for "cleanup", if you read the diffs you should have noted that "cleanup" was an accurate summary of the edits in question, which dealt with formatting and other concerns in addition to categorization. ] (]) 02:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::However, when I have specifically asked you to stop hiding cat edits within broader cleanup, I can't see why you wouldn't expect reverts. The scope and scale of all of these cats is under discussion - I in fact *started* the discussion to get more clarity from the project - meanwhile you're not being helpful by doing driveby "cleanups" - if you have an opinion, join the discussion, and we can deal with who is in what cat later. And yes, they are GERMANE to your edits - those items have been in those cats for a long time, and as we reprogram the scope, we need to see everything that was in there so we understand what we're dealing with.--] (]) 02:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::You don't need to include unsourced and unsupported (and sometimes nonsensical) information in articlespace. Nor do you need to revert broader cleanup because you disagree with one specific, discrete part of it. ] (]) 02:40, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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			== William D. Hoard portrait ==
	FYI I've started a proposal for a drive in Jun here . Was hoping to get some more co-ord opinions before I look to implement this. If you are able to have a look I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks. ] (]) 11:28, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
			Hi Nikkimaria, I was looking at your comments on the William D. Hoard portrait and I am having a heck of a time fixing the link. The Wisconsin Historical Society doesn't allow direct linking to specific portraits from what I can tell, and this particular version of this image doesn't appear to exist in their archives anymore. Going to , searching for William D. Hoard, and downloading their image collection (clicking print on the left side, selecting images) provides a PDF with various images in it of the oil painting, including what appears to be a restored/more color-accurate version on the last page. These images should be public domain, but it's not clear to me if the digital recreations are also public domain, nor if the WHS actually applies in this case or if it only applies to purchased images. I'd be curious for your thoughts and any suggestions you might have. Thanks for looking! ] (]) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
	== Request to turn deleted page into redirect ==
	Greetings Nikkimaria
			:Hi ], ] the original image is PD, I don't think there have been significant enough changes that the new version would be anything other than PD. But what leads you to believe the original is PD? I don't see anything in the WHS portrait record on copyright status, despite what the ToU says. ] (]) 02:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
	I was wondering if you or someone else could turn ] into a redirect page that leads to ] as I can't seem to do so as no text box appears and I have a running suspicion that this is because the page has been protected from being created. Since we don't have an article on this <s>very</s> fairly popular person a redirect to the information about him would be the best compromise, unless you have a differing opinion? Thank you. ] ] - ] 14:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
			::The portrait was painted in 1891, so it should be PD by virtue of being published prior to 1929 according to if I am understanding everything correctly. Near the bottom of the portrait entry it says "This portrait was painted in 1891 by James Reeve Stuart (1834-1915)". ] (]) 02:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
	:Done. ] (]) 15:49, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::Hi ], publication has a in US copyright law, and simply being created or even displayed prior to 1929 does not guarantee that it meets that definition. ] (]) 02:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
	== what is this about ==
			::::Learn something new every day! The portrait entry says this in the second to last paragraph:
	Can you explain what you're doing here, and why it's considered a 'fix'? . Thanks. --] (]) 23:27, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
			::::{{small|This portrait of William Hoard was donated to the State Historical Society of Wisconsin by Governor James O. Davidson. It was noted thusly, "Oil portrait, framed, of Gov. W.D. Hoard, formerly hung in the Executive Chamber, Capitol. Painted by J.R. Stuart, September, 1891." (Proceedings of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin...1907, 1908, p. 92.)}}
	:I'm correcting the tagging, given the article as it stands. ] (]) 23:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
			::::So if I'm reading things correctly I think that would satisfy the requirement in section 1902 by transfer of ownership to be considered published, and it would still be PD by this definition of publication in 1907-1908:
			::::{{small|Section 101 of the Copyright Act defines publication as “the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.}}
			::::Does that make sense to you? I am very much a novice with this kind of thing and want to make sure I'm doing things right. ] (]) 02:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Hi ], 1902 references distribution to ''the public'' - I don't think what's being described here would qualify. ] (]) 02:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
	== Is it fine now? ==
			::::::I wonder if the state historical society being a government agency would impact that at all? In any case, I think the provision for would apply for it be PD.
			::::::Commons says for unpublished works, if there is a "Known author with a known date of death 70 years after the death of author." James Reeve Stuart died in 1915, so it has been more than 70 years since his death and the portrait should be PD under that provision.
			::::::If the portrait was work for hire (which seems likely) the copyright term has also expired. Works for hire had their copyright expire 120 years after creation, so anything created prior to 1904 is PD according to the chart I linked on Commons (also available on the ). The portrait was made in 1891, so it has been PD for at least 13 years if it was work for hire and I'm reading things correctly. ] (]) 02:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::If it was ''never'' published before 2003, PD-US-unpublished would be the way to go. Is that known to be the case? ] (]) 03:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
	I replied to your comments at ]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 03:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
			::::::::I think it may be old enough where even if it had been officially published at some point in the last 100 years, it wouldn't make a difference. The Commons page says the copyright expires when "the '''earlier''' of 95 years after first publication or 120 years after creation" comes to pass -- it could be officially published tomorrow under the definition of publication in chapter 1900 but 120 years would still have passed since its creation, so it should still be PD I would think. ] (]) 03:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::It might make a difference, depending on if/when it was published. If never before 2003 or definitely before 1929, it's PD. But if it was published at some point after 1929 but before 2003, maybe not. ] (]) 03:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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			::::::::::That's an interesting interpretation, one that could cause problems for a lot of portraits on Commons now.
			::::::::::When it comes to publication, the " distribute copies... for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display, constitutes publication." We know that the portrait hung in the "executive chamber" (either the governor's office or governor's conference room), both which are a gray area as far "public" areas go. Does that constitute being published under the rule of intent to distribute for public display?
			::::::::::It was also given to a government agency (the historical society) in 1907 or 1908. That agency is charged with the "preservation and care of all records, both printed and written, and all articles and other materials of historic interest and significance placed in its custody" as well as charged with cataloging those materials "for the more convenient reference of '''all persons''' who have occasion to consult the collections", including the ability to loan out materials , which sounds an awful lot to me like it was offered to be distributed for public display, constituting publication ~116 years ago, which would make it PD.
			::::::::::I don't know! It's a weird question. Appreciate you sticking with me this long and considering everything on this topic. ] (]) 05:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::::The original display of the work would fall under "public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication" per 1902. As to the historical society, unless there is an agency-specific exception that I'm not aware of, unpublished materials available in an archival capacity are still considered unpublished. See for example from the Society of American Archivists]. (As they and you note, this creates lots of problems, especially when the provenance of a work is less clear.)
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	== Operation Winter '94 ==
			::::::::::::Hi there! Thought I'd circle back to this discussion. I've done all the digging I know how to do, including searching copyright registrations back to 1923, and have seen no instance of the portrait being registered for copyright nor evidence of a formal publication. I took the discussion to the copyright village pump on and editors there believe the portrait to be in the public domain, so I think we should be good. Thanks for all the discussion here! This was a great conversation. Cheers ] (]) 15:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
			== "Murder of" ==
	Hi! Thanks for the image review at the ]. I think I addressed at least two out of three issues you raised completely. The remaining one, entailing wikilinking from flags in the infobox seems to be a bit more difficult. I managed to have all flags in one field link and none in the other, but that's the best I could produce since {{tl|flag}} and {{tl|flagicon}} apparently do not allow that kind of flexibility. I saw this arrangement used in recently promoted FAs, so I thought to check with you if the present situation regarding the images is satisfactory. Thanks.--] (]) 11:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:I guess that's fine, then. ] (]) 12:20, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			Over the years I have seen you delete infoboxes within Misplaced Pages articles. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I do not. Is this a thing on Misplaced Pages that there should only be one infobox per page? I agree that having 5 would be excessive, but for a "Murder of" article for example, if there is only one perpetrator involved I fail to see why there is a need to remove an infobox for the perpetrator if one already exists for the victim, especially if the article is already reasonably long. I can't see in Misplaced Pages policy where this a thing to only have 1 infobox per page. ] (]) 16:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)\
	== Questions re: comments at James Moore FAC ==
			:Hi ], these templates are to key facts about the page's subject"]], which in the case of these articles is not the perpetrator but rather the event. As per ], for people who are notable for only one event, we should avoid the creation of pseudobiographies. ] (]) 21:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
	Nikki, I've gotten MagicPiano involved over at ], but he and I had questions about your comment regarding sourcing for the illustrated map. I appreciate your help! ] (]) 13:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
			== East Germany and Polish People's Republic ==
	== Talkback ==
			Hi Nikkimaria, I see that you keep deleting descriptions in make for governments of Eastern block countries. I personally don't think that the overly short description of "socialist republic" works for either of these two countries. Considering that the type of socialist country they were were Marxist-Leninist in nature, I think it would be more accurate and informative to describe them as what they were, Marxist-Leninist one party socialist republics. There are many other pages of Marxist-Leninist states where they're government description is the same as I had put for East Germany so I don't see why it shouldn't also have its description as such. As for the Polish People's Republic, I think that the inclusion that it was under a stalinist dictatorship from 1947-1956 and the detail about the country being under a military junta are good details as they show how the form of government changed. I think the way you oversimplify the descriptions is reductive and degrades the quality of the articles. ] (]) 05:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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			:I think the shorter version both identifies the government type and does so at a glance, but you'd be welcome to take your proposal to the articles' talk pages. ] (]) 01:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
	==Discussion at Category_talk:American_novelists#RFC_or_not.3F==
			::I disagree, but thanks for being reasonable and respectful ] (]) 01:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
	] You are invited to join the discussion at ]. {{#if:|{{{more}}}}} ] (]) 03:24, 17 May 2013 (UTC){{z48}}
			:::I’ll make sure to take my proposal to the talk page ] (]) 01:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
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	Hello, just a quick note to update you that the image concerns you raised for the above have been resolved, hopefully to your satisfaction. Thank you for taking the time to review. Incidentally, are the other images ok? -- '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 14:56, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:Yep, all look fine now. ] (]) 15:38, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	== BWV 36 ==		==Steve Waterbury==
			Why did you remove his Find a grave?] (]) 16:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
			:{{tps}} ], see ] - ] (]) 16:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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			== Haydn discussion ==
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	*How do you plan to a show in the infobox that half of the movements are stanzas from two chorales for which we even have articles?
	*The separate links to the List of cantatas by liturgical function (from "church") and List of cantatas (from cantata) are not a sea of blue, but an abbreviation for "genre" = cantata, "Type" = church cantata, - I thought you would like that ;)
	* The link to "scoring" makes no sense without using abbreviations for instruments.
			Hello, I wanted to inform you that I added my vote to the infobox discussion for ] and as there appeared to be no consensus (5 votes for, 3 against), I removed the infobox pending further votes as I do not think as it stands there is clear consensus. I also object to how the infobox remained static for months until a new vote after months of no discussion was used to add the infobox. I do not think that adding it at this time is warranted. ] (]) 17:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
	For these reasons I will revert. I have no time for other cantatas right now, but would appreciate if you would consider the concerns for others also. Soar joyfully aloft, --] (]) 16:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:*I don't, and why should we?
	:::The cantatas are based on three different types of text - contemporary poetry, Bible and chorale. This is something unique, essential to be said. Normally they have one movement chorale, some have two, this has four, - that is highly unusual (I don't kow any other, do you?) and should show, if you ask me, ] (])
	::::But the reader doesn't know this is highly unusual, and the template isn't the place to explain it to them. ] (]) 21:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:*If you say type is church cantata, we understand that it is a cantata. But how does the reader know that there are two different links there? ] ] ] looks the same as ], but the average reader won't find out until they try to click a link - and if they click the last, they won't know there was another.
	:::Do readers have to know? - I see them hover over links rather than click. - If they are interested in the church aspect, they will get liturgical, if they click cantata, they will get to the general. - I consider that helpful to different readers, while avoiding repetition. ] (])
	::::Er, yes, they have to - because which link do they click on if they're interested in the idea of "church cantata"? The half who happen to click on "cantata" get something different from those who click on "church", but not just because that's the part they're interested in. (And relatively few non-editors might think to hover over links). It's more confusing than helpful. ] (]) 21:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:*Since we've decided not to use abbreviations for instruments, why not update the link to just ]? That would mean there would be a link to that article without need for the confusing double link discussed in point 2.
	:::Surprising question. The template is for Bach compositions in general, not only for cantatas. {{para|instrumental}} is going to be linked to the article-to-be on Bach's instruments, please prepare that by using it. ] (])
	::::But we're not talking about a composition in general, we're talking about a cantata, and the link points to an article about cantatas already. ] (]) 21:27, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::We are talking about a cantata. The link from {{para|scoring}} goes to the section in List of Bach cantatas where the abbreviations are explained (because that's where they were already explained when the template was created last year). If we don't use the abbreviations, the link makes no more sense, the parameter should not be used any more. Now we link every individual instrument, fine for those with an article, - for the others, a list of the instruments that Bach used is planned, to be linked for {{para|instrumental}}. (See also: template docu and discussion) Yes? --] (]) 22:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Same to you. ] (]) 17:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	::Thank you, - off to BWV 68 and its translation, --] (]) 20:39, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			:Thanks for letting me know! ] (]) 21:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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	In hindsight, I was needlessly rude in my edit summaries earlier. Wont happen again. &mdash;] (]) 19:09, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Thank you. ] (]) 19:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
			Hi, I just wanted to explain a little bit more in-depth my reversion of your removal of the sources in ]. Per ], grave markers are valid sources under {{Template link|cite sign}}. My understanding is that FindAGrave is not allowed for its user-generated, non-reliable content on obituaries, etc; the URLs in the sources simply give the non-free photos of graves being cited. Seeing as the citations would be valid and reliable without the link, I didn't think that adding the link as an additional piece of information with the grave photos would be an issue. If it is, please remove the links but leave the grave citations themselves. ~]<sup>]/]</sup> 02:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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			:Hi ], what do you see as the benefit of doing that? Even if they belong to the people mentioned in the article, the graves don't support the claims being made about them. ] (]) 02:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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			::The name of his father and the full name (Johanna) of his mother are not found in any other sources at the moment. The ''Current Biography Yearbook 1955'' source is currently offline until the Internet Archive figures its stuff out and the article is currently being reviewed for Good Article, and the reviewer asked for a source for the names other than that source. ~]<sup>]/]</sup> 02:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
			:::But this source doesn't give you that. Primary sources can be used only for they themselves say, without analysis or synthesis. You can prove that stones with those names exist, but not that they are the parents whose full names you don't have. ] (]) 02:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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			@], I understand why you did it because I 99% of the time would have done the same. I get that it looks immensely weird to be changing the birth and death place on a dead person, ]. If you will have read the inline source from the LA times, the memorial that I added from ancestry thru the wiki resources. At some point, someone entered her place of birth and dying in Guanajuato. It's so bad because the Wikidata statement literally says it but cites a source that says the correct birth place of New york, I am at this moment updating the wikidata statements so I won't need to change the info in 7 different languages.
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			Can you please self revert your rollback? ] (]) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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	I think we've hopefully addressed your issues, if you could kindly revisit when you have a chance? ] - ] 16:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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	You reverted ] to collapsing the infobox again, referring to my talk page. I didn't find there what you may mean. I am told a lot about respect for the "]". I am the main author for several Bach cantatas and I wish that their infoboxes be not collapsed. Torture is too strong a word, but my language is not fine enough for the process of first being told concise abbreviations for instruments can't be used, then - when long names of instruments are listed - being told that has to have to be collapsed, or replaced by the plain word "instruments" which is certainly less informative than "'''instrumental''' Co Cn 3Tb 2Ob Ot 2Vl Va Vp Bc, which would tell even a reader who knows nothing about abbreviations that this is a complex and unusual scoring. Why hide the six lines that show the music? --] (]) 08:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:Because, Gerda, a string of letters cannot tell someone who doesn't know what those letters mean that the scoring is unusual or complex. What can tell that reader that, though, is the article itself. See "Infobox with collapsible sections" on your talk. ] (]) 13:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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	::O my language. Do you understand the big difference between "collapsible sections" and "partly collapsed"? I would take the former IF NEEDED, but regard (crossed out stronger term for dislike) the other as against the spirit of an infobox as openly accessible information. I don't revert it in articles of others (] comes to mind), but please please please don't do that to me in my articles, - it's against my sense of quality. Actually, I don't even see any reason to collapse at all in Bach's cantatas, with their rather short length which doesn't exceed a screen. --] (]) 13:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Gerda, functionally, there is little difference, and it is needed. Show the music in the text, don't try to reduce it to something the reader can't understand or that is reductive. That's not what "quality" means. ] (]) 13:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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	::::I believe that the infobox needs to show the music at a glance, - you don't. I believe that if something needed to be collapsed, it should be parameter by parameter, not more than one, - you don't. - Once I finished BWV 176 (I would appreciate if we didn't run into edit conflicts), I will try to be more specific to explain the difference that you seem not to understand. - Did you know that "trotzig und verzagt" is the last cantata of my third annual cycle? --] (]) 13:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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	Please stop doing this sort of thing ? I don't know what you're up to, but it makes no sense... if you are insistent on bringing back the {{cl|American novelists}} category, give it a shot - but don't at the same time screw up the other categories by stripping "American" from them. Thanks. --] (]) 02:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:Check the edit history a little more carefully: that's a revert, not a new edit. ] (]) 03:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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	::No, it's more than a revert NM. You changed a number of things. In any case, the result is illogical - why would someone be in 20th-century novelists but also american novelists? At least be consistent - it's the second time you've done such silliness on this article alone, and I've seen you do it elsewhere.
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	::Once again, DONT change the by-century categories to remove the word American, unless you have some reasonable reason to do so. Thanks. --] (]) 03:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:::The categorization part is a revert. The individual is a 20th-century novelist and an American novelist. Categorizing them as such seems quite logical. As for consistency, I'm afraid I don't have the time to fix all of the issues caused by that editor. ] (]) 04:04, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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	::::If you don't have time to do it right, just don't touch the cats then, you're making it worse. If you want to go solo and start re-adding American novelists, be my guest, but don't mess up the other cats which have been added an are correct. Yes, the individual is a 20th-century novelist, but 20th-century American novelists diffuses on 20th-century novelists, so that is the more correct cat. Read ] if you're still unclear on diffusion - but I'm quite sure I don't have to explain this to you, you've read enough on this issue, so stop pretending you don't get it.--] (]) 04:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:::::Many of the edits by many of those involved since the controversy broke have made things worse, and yet that hasn't seemed to stop anyone. Hopefully eventually we'll have a system that's actually functional. ] (]) 04:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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	== A bit of respect for quality and style ==
			I reverted it and then was going to edit it again to add more reliable sources, but you reverted it before I could add new sources. Then an "edit war" pop-up appeared. Idk, just saying. ] (]) 02:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
	As mentioned many times before, the {{template|collapsed infobox section begin}} is questionable. It serves the function to collapse part of an infobox.
	* It serves hiding information.
	* The parameters that are collapsed don't show, hiding even that information.
	* Its use is not trivial. You have to know exactly where to place it, which causes a problem for future editors.
	* It was ], you voted keep, the closing admin said "keep for now", it may not stay.
	* It was termed "Presumably good-faith templatisation of bad-faith code", and I agree with another user in the discussion that "This template is pretty much a hack in development, but I don't see a reason to delete it at this point."
			:What sources did you want to add? ] (]) 02:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
	It is a like crutch, not useful for people how can walk without a crutch. I don't want to use it, and I don't want it used in articles for which I feel responsible, please respect that. Every appearance of it sets a bad example. This is not ownership but concern about quality and style. I hate reverting, but I will revert appearances of this template, and started with ], on the Main page. Do me a favour: please do it yourself! --] (]) 09:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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	:Gerda, when I asked you for respect and mercy, you declined. Your points about the template are noted and rejected. ] (]) 11:57, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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	::Do I understand right that you reject
			::Please let me know if you approve of these sources. None of these are wikis to my knowledge. ] (]) 02:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
	::... that the template hides information that I believe should be open?
	::... that you have to know for example that it has to be coded in the line preceding the line to be collapsed? Quote from the documentation as I find it today: "If either the begin or end templates are not properly transcluded, disaster may strike, causing the infobox to either swallow the article (missing the end template), or terminate unexpectedly (missing the begin template)."
	::... that the author said that it is ? Quote: "make this at least appear to be less of a hack, and keep raw html table markup out of articles to avoid landing in a database report" - Note: "'''appear''' less of a hack", it still is, sort of.
	::I am sorry that I don't remember you asking for mercy and respect, I am willing. I remember that I , and I don't do that often. - Now I had seriously hoped that you would revert the questionable template, - instead, you go hiding instrumentation in a different way first. Why do you believe that the few lines that show how the music sounds need to be hidden? Those who may find the information in the infobox too long can just stop looking, it's the last item. I would like to serve the others who want to know. --] (]) 13:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Holy ''cow'', I just read some of the history here and had no previous idea this template was so controversial. I accidentally discovered it about a month ago and think it's brilliant. I've used it on {{sclass-|Pennsylvania|battleship|1}} to hide a long, boring list of statistics (but still easily accessible to interested readers) and add two additional photos. I like that tradeoff. Maybe that's just me? ]&nbsp;<sup>]] ]]</sup> 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Nope, not just you - I agree :) ] (]) 13:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::If it can't be shown succinctly, it shouldn't be shown unless the reader wants to see it. You have made it abundantly clear what you want, and that you are unwilling. When you suggest that the template should not be used because the coding might confuse people, you do lose some credibility - that was one of the points I originally made about the infobox template itself, and one that was rejected. You can't have it both ways. ] (]) 13:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Obviously I have not made it clear what I want. - Please remember that we are still in the process to find the best way to present the instrumentation, for example an article on instruments of the Baroque. I don't understand why you changed anything before we found a good solution. - In the context: your revert of the infobox for ], replacing the specific Infobox for works by Bach by "musical composition".
	::::My dislike for the template is the same, regardless of article and template.
	::::The display of an infobox is not restricted by the length of the lead. But I expanded the lead it anyway.
	::::Most compositions by Bach are known by their title rather than BWV number, but many of those titles are very long, therefore we found the solution to have only the BWV number in large print RIGHT NEXT to the title as the article title, I don't see how that can be confusing. IF you think so, please take it to the discussion of the Bach infobox, - but it was actually one of the reasons to create a special infobox for Bach's works, do you understand? --] (]) 13:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Sorry, your change of the link of {{para|scoring}} in the Bach template to the ] makes no sense for the ], and even a cantata reader will be confused. Please wait for an article on the instruments, and preserve {{para|instrumental}}, --] (]) 13:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Gerda, the scoring link ''already'' went to that article; I just removed the section link. So if it doesn't make sense, it didn't make sense to begin with. As for the choice of template, I don't know why you wanted to create a special infobox, there doesn't really seem to be any strong reason for it. It might make sense for cantatas, but not other works. ] (]) 17:52, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::Sorry about a linking mistake then. When the template was discussed, the first question was Bach cantatas or compositions, there seemed to be favour for his compositions, - he wrote also motets, Passions, oratorios and songs, which "work" the same way as cantatas, hybrid text, some long titles in German, one common catalogue number. More answers on ], --] (]) 20:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
			:::They're definitely better, but this type of content needs sourcing that demonstrates the subject's cultural impact, rather than just its use - see ]. I don't think these quite get there. ] (]) 02:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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	A revert by you was brought up at ]. See ] for an example of how the infobox is used. ] (]) 10:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
			Hi, I noticed you reverted my edits. I use ISBN-10 for books published before 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 for books published after 1 January 2007. I don't think this is wrong. Also, you reverted "LLC" deletion, but {{tl|cite book}} states: Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc.", or "GmbH" are not usually included.-- ] (]) 20:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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	One of the best hooks I saw so far, --] (]) 15:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)		:Why do you believe switching to ISBN-10 is correct? ] (]) 00:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Because ISBN-10 was standard until 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 after 1 January 2007.-- ] (]) 08:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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	If you have some spare time, would you care to review this article? --] ] 04:15, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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	Ping. --] ] 15:58, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Sorry to keep bugging you, but a few more sources have been added. Mainly want you to check because your initial comment still says "Source review - spotchecks not done". --] ] 15:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
	::Ping. --] ] 21:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::Hey JDC, spotchecks are a separate thing from a source review - that's just a flag for the delegates, as sometimes I check them together. Source review checks reliability and consistency, spotchecks look at verifiability and paraphrasing. ] (]) 00:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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	:I've read both, thanks. That's why it's appropriate to link to the structure article when discussing a particular movement - as is done in many cantata articles. However, when discussing the piece in general (history, performances, etc), the general link is the correct choice. ] (]) 22:30, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
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	Thank you for helping with the Bach cantatas. It would be even more helpful if you would observe some relevant discussions on Classical music, such as the one before it all started which decided that voices and instruments should be all linked every article even if commonly known. - I like your approach to give more prominence to the choirs in a listing of recordings, but think the conductors are more worthy of mentioning than the record labels. For any article, I would want to know who conducted the Thomanerchor when, what Harnoncourt/Leonhardt (first HIP) did, Koopman, Leusink, Suzuki, Gardiner. I accepted the way of recordings listing as it was handled before I came to the topic. - You may also be interested in the Classical music discussion that spoke about Mincham. - I like his very personal approach but think it's rather specialized; ] knows much more about the connection of language and music, and John Eliot Gardiner has a great way to address a more general public. - I would link the first mentioning of a key in a article, for those who have no idea of major/minor. Happy editing, I still have practically no time. - Thanks for BWV 39, together we will be able to get it to 5* as it deserves (hopefully the day it was written for, next Sunday) ;) --] (]) 08:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
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	Recitativo vs. recitative: the discussion when we started the Bach cantatas articles resulted in listing Bach's original terms at least once, in the scoring section. If you think people will not understand them, please explain. For three years now, there have been no complaints. Please revert your revert, --] (]) 13:31, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	Adding: the source Dürr says:
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	We keep them, as the German headings for the movements, following the sources, and we speak English in the prose. Note also that Dürr added the voice parts abbreviated, and marked them as added by the brackets. --] (]) 14:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Link to discussion, please? ] (]) 14:06, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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	::You mean, what the composer said would be overwritten by a discussion? As long as you don't translate the movement headings from German to English, you should not translate the movement names from Italian to English. - I will go and look for the discussion (you might have looked before writing any Bach cantata article different from the examples, as mentioned above), - I ] before today, --] (]) 14:38, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::I mean, you said that discussion resulted in this situation, so I want to know what discussion you're talking about. The only discussion I've seen says that the "template" for these articles is not as restrictive as you imply. ] (]) 14:44, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	::(ec) Several related discussions are in ], which points to ] as the first one ever and discussed (on the article talk) the most. Somewhat amused I read there: "The Bm Mass article definitely needs some work." --] (]) 14:48, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	::See for example: "I prefer to have soprano, alto, tenor, bass spelled out when they occur in Arias and Duets. Everyone understands what SATB means but "Duetto S T" looks odd. I'd prefer something like "Duetto (soprano/tenor)". ] (talk) 15:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)" - I don't imply "template", but refer to project consensus, --] (]) 14:53, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::But you haven't shown any project consensus that says it should be "recitativo" not "recitative". That point does not appear in any of your linked discussions AFAICS. ] (]) 14:59, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::Everybody agreed on that without mentioning, you see in the above line that DavidRF said duet in prose, but (Bach's) "Duetto" in the scoring. You can ask the others involved, such as ], an authority who contributed greatly to the article, - or just take my word that nobody complained about not understanding "recitativo" - a little bit of original Bach - with several hundred views of each cantata on DYK, --] (]) 21:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::I can see that nobody complained about David using "duetto" to make an unrelated point, but that's not the same thing as having a project consensus for "recitativo". And as we've discussed before, we should not take a lack of complaints to mean that everything is perfect. ] (]) 21:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	::::::It's not an unrelated point. I had asked project Classical music repeatedly during my first cantata(s) to have a look. Go ahead, ask Eusebeus who contributed to that article, ask the project again. I remember that we discussed if we should show which of those movement descriptions are by Bach. Dürr differentiates, example ]: : O heilges ... RECITATIVO : Die sündige Geburt (Bach marked the recitative, but not the aria), but that seemed not needed. I remember the discussion but can't find it, sorry, --] (]) 22:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::Actually, talking about abbreviating or not abbreviating voice types is not the same as using Italian or English for the movements. Given the lack of support for your claim of a project consensus, your explanation of why recitativo should be preferred to recitative seems unconvincing. It would make more sense to keep the terminology within the article consistent to aid the reader, and many of the sources use "recitative". Also, unlike the German-language text, this is a musical term with a commonly understood and accepted version in English. ] (]) 22:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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	ps: I looked at Whitsun, it seems specifically British to me, not suitable, - Pentecost is general. --] (]) 23:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
	:I understand, Gerda, I just disagree with your reasoning. And both Whitsun and Pentecost are suitable, we can add a parenthetical if needed. It's an EngVar issue, but the article uses British English. ] (]) 23:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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			So there is now no guidance on how many paragraphs a lead section should be composed of? ] (]) 15:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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			:Correct, it's been switched to a word count. ] (]) 15:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
	Nice! - Bzzt, BWV 100: "This is considered one of Bach's last extant cantatas.", source: liner notes. - If I sort by year in the list I find more than 20 later cantatas, - I would drop it, --] (]) 20:44, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
	:The list is wrong - it gives the earliest possible date, not the most likely. And those with unknown date are listed after, and many lower on the list are not extant or only partially extant, and several sources give this detail. ] (]) 21:07, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
	::(I didn't count those with unknown dates, nor the partially extant. If this one was written in 1735, it was still written ten years before the last extant one with a known date, BWV 191, and 15 years before his death. "one of the last" has this notion of "last works of the master", at least for me.) Can you cite one of those better sources then? And/or restrict to church cantatas, as most of the later ones were secular? --] (]) 21:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
			::So would this user's edit now be considered an acceptable lead layout? Because it looked like a complete mess to me.
	The links to chorale text and melody in ] (same as 100) are not used as citations, but to provide easy access to the text of the hymn and its translation, and to the melody in music. Sure, both links appear in the bc ref, but the uninitiated reader will have to search, why not help? Sure, Mincham has the melody, but how will a reader know who doesn't follow that link. --] (]) 21:21, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
	:How will a reader know that a citation isn't actually a citation? ] (]) 00:53, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
	::First, there was an external link within the text. Then (don't remember when and what cantata, I was requested to change it to a reference. I think if the reader sees a ref right after "melody" he may guess that it is help to know more on the melody, so the minimum you can do is provide the "min" ref there. But the other link has so much more detail about the history and use of the melody. How will the reader find THAT? Seems the major problem to me. Travelling, only of little help, sorry, --] (]) 07:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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			] Hi there, it seems that you find a copyright problems in Jordan Stolz. I've rewrite it and please check it isn't any problem. Thanks.
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			Rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he plans to speed up and stay ahead in this season. He shares his feeling and desire to go more faster as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Stolz won four races of the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. ] (]) 04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
	Since you gave ignored several requests to stop stalking my edits; I feel I have been left no choice but to raise the matter at ]. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 20:09, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
	:You appear to be a productive editor and yet not ... what's going on here? Please address the issues involved, immediately and reasonably, or you may have to be blocked or banned. ] (]) 20:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
			:Hi ], no, that's not going to be sufficient - that specific excerpt is still ] from the source for it, and these kinds of issues appear to be pervasive in the article. ] (]) 04:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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			::How should I wrote? Can you give me some opinion? Thanks. ] (]) 04:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::In some cases, where opinions or intentions are being expressed, specific phrases like "plans to speed up" can be quoted, as long as they are appropriately marked as being direct quotes and a limited amount of quotation is used. ] (]) 04:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
	Let me think on this a bit. The point that you both edit in a same general topic area is a good one. I'd much rather see some sort of compromise and/or agreement than to see anyone admonished. Just noting that I did see your reply, and I'm not ignoring it. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 22:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
			::::First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he intends speed up faster in this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Is this any problems? Thanks. ] (]) 04:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Yes - "this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026" is still copied exactly and "intends speed up faster" is almost the same as "plans to speed up", with the addition of a grammar problem. Perhaps this is a language issue? ] (]) 04:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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			::::::Sorry I'm not American and hopefully you can considerate. First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he will training his speed skating skills in this season to prepare his second Olympics. Is this any problems? Thanks. ] (]) 04:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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			:::::::::It is better in terms of paraphrasing, but it is also worse in terms of English language - thus my suggestion. ] (]) 05:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
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			::::::::::Thanks a lot. How about second sentence rewrite: Stolz won four races in the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. ] (]) 05:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::::That has similar issues. ] (]) 00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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	I'd be curious to know why the empty parameters were removed. I think I could support the removal of honorific_prefix if you know enough about the subject to know that it will never apply. However, why remove awards?
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	It may be that the removal of the influences is why this is on the list. I do not support such inclusion, but I think that should be a community decision, not an individual editors decision. I think the community is on board with the notion that unsourced entries in the infobox are problematic, and you cited unsourced, presumably to justify removal of Epstein, but the source clearly supports it, so what am I missing?
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	'''Andy''', when I first started writing this, I had missed that the influences were removed, so I originally was puzzled why this was on the list. I'm not on board with removing all empty parameters, but think that is worth a community discussion, and doubt that prompted the inclusion. Am I correct in guessing that the removal of the influences prompted the addition to the list, or were any of the other edits an issue?--]] 14:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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	:Access dates are not helpful for Google Books links - such links are merely convenience copies of print sources, not "real" online sources. The dates are useful where the website might change, to aid in retrieving an archived copy of a website, or where there is no publication date, none of which apply to a GBooks source (as the book itself is the source). Unsourced refers to Camus, and the inclusion of influences/influenced at all has been problematic in arts-related infoboxes; however, Epstein is in the current version, as I wasn't interested in fighting with Andy. As for empty parameters, they increase coding bloat, impede accessibility to editing, and provide little compensatory benefit - they can always be added if there's something to put in them. ] (]) 14:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
	::I see two different issues. One is the way you and Andy ought to be interacting, the other is how the community ought to address certain issues. Dealing with the second first, I think I catch your point that books do not change, which is why we don't add access dates to book or magazine references. I suppose one could argue that a complete citation to a book or magazine, sufficient to find the material in the dead tree version, along with a convenience link to an online version, doesn't need an access date. However, it is not beyond comprehension that Google might choose to revise their linking algorithm, in which case it would be helpful to identify which links need revision, and an access date might be helpful. So I don't see how it could hurt, and there;''s a chance it might help. I think the need is sufficiently remote that I would make it mandatory, but I don't follow why it is a good idea to remove the data. However, I don't think that's central to the dispute between you two, so I'll drop this until such time as I see a community discussion on the subject.
			== ] moved to draftspace ==
	::On influences, I think we are on the same page. Item 3 on my ] list is to persuade the community to adopt a policy to exclude subjective items from infoboxes. The incident that prompted me was a spat about influences. I think they should be removed from infoboxes. I believe existing policy is clear that unreferenced influences should be removed(although that resulted in close to an edit war in the incident referred to) but I want to go further, and remove them even when referenced. Having said that, I think the proper course is to get a community discussion about the policy and consensus to change the policy, then change the articles. Changing the articles first is a recipe for disaster.
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	::Regarding unused infobox parameters, I am sympathetic to the accessibility to editing argument. I support and use ] specifically to reduce the unsightliness of references in the main article text. That said, an infobox is almost always at the beginning, and newish edits are likely to identify something that might belong in an infobox, but might not know what to do if an empty parameter is missing. I think removing empty parameters can serve to impede editing accessibility, but it occurs to me this is not as simple as a binary "include all" or "include none". It would be wise to have a community discussion. I think it is unwise to make a personal decision that conflicts with the preferences of others and simply impose it, especially on articles where others are the principle author, in the absence of a community consensus on what's best.
			When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. ] (]) 08:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi ], this isn't my article - I think you meant to notify {{noping|CertifiedAmazing2}}? ] (]) 15:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
	::So, on the substance of some issues, I'm sympathetic, on others, I disagree, but understand your point, and it may well prevail, but what troubles me is the process—rather than working for community consensus you make edits that I don't believe are supported by community consensus. I haven't look at enough edits, but that's how it looks so far.--]] 00:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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			:], if you click on "...more" on the description under the video, there's a CC licensing statement there. ] (]) 02:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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	== A question about a removal of an infobox ==		== Question about edit to ] ==
			Back in you added <nowiki>{{in popular culture|date=February 2024}}</nowiki> to this article. Was wondering what struck you as being specifically or generally irrelevant in that section. I am going to start work on adding sources for individual entries... - ] (]) 20:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
	As you are aware, the distinction between prohibited wikistalking and encouraged correction of problematic edits is "not always sharly defined", Arbcom left some guideance ]
			:There are many entries in that section, some of which don't appear to be notable, others of which appear to be minor mentions (such as the TMNT example). ] (]) 23:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
	I looked at the recent edits of ], in which you removed an infobox twice. Your first edit summary stated "(img, add)" while the second one stated "(rv unjustified removal of content/ref and addition of overlong and redundant template)".
			::Ok, fair enough. I'm going to work on that section & will be removing the maintenance template sometime soon. - ] (]) 01:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
			== Mentoring for FAC ==
	I am not aware of a policy prohibition against the inclusion of such an infobox. Is there one?
	I do not see a post on the talk page of the article or on the talk page of the editor adding the infobox explaining why it was a problem. While such a post would be ideal although not required on the first reversion, surely the addition a second time, indicates that the editor disagreed, and it was time to go to the talk page.
			Hi, I'm contacting you because I noticed your username is listed at ] and I am interested in nominating a FAC but have never done so in the past. I'm contacting several people listed as FA mentors so if you are busy that is okay. The article is ], a parasitic brain disease. I have started a peer review for the article which can be found at ]. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration! ]] <sup>(])</sup> 21:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
	And yes, I'll note that the edit adding the infobox failed to bring it up at the talk page of the article or your talk page, but I believe that the removal material, not obviously against policy, requires the initiation of a talk page discussion.
			== Question about edit to William Walker ==
	What am I missing?--]] 15:31, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
	In particular, you've suggested before that you do not like template with a lot of empty parameters. That is hinted at in the word "overlong" in the edit summary, but you didn't removed the empty parameters, you removed the whole template. According to ], "Optional parameters may be left empty or omitted entirely." but this does not provide much help if one editor want to remove empty parameters and the other wants to leave them in, as both actions are supported. If there guidance elsewhere supporting the removal of empty parameters, or, more to the point, removing the entire template if most are empty?--]] 15:56, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
	:]/]? In the absence of a policy mandating infoboxes, it is the responsibility of the editor wishing to change the status quo on the article - which, in this case, was without infobox - to seek consensus on the talk page if their bold edit is reverted. Instead, that editor chose to re-add the template without justification and in the process removed added content and a reference. He provided no reasoning, either initially or on revert, to include a template longer than the actual article and providing no more information than the first sentence. ] (]) 16:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
	::I suppose it is inevitable that in a dispute between two prolific editors, it is unlikely that policy will unequivocally support one over the other. You are suggesting that the community has determined who has the responsibility to initiate a discussion. I've reviewed BRD many times, and thought I knew it cold. But this example indicates, either a deficiency in my understanding, or a deficiency in the essay. The schematic clearly indicates that, in the case of a bold edit which is a revert, the onus is on the editor disagreeing with the revert to talk it to the talk page. However, that path is not the in this case. The addition of an infobox is not a revert, it is a change. The schematic, confusingly has grayed out that fork, but suggests if you disagree with the change, the next step is to "think of a reasonable change that might integrate your idea with theirs."
			Hi, I was wondering why you deleted 22 short paragraphs that my students added to this article. Thanks, ] (]) 03:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
	::If I am reading this correctly, and I may not be, when Andy added the infobox, and you disagree, your responsibility was to suggest a compromise edit, which you did not do.
			:Hi ], biographies (even short ones) of that many other people are misplaced in an article that is meant to be a biography of Walker himself. I'm in the process of relocating the content and will ping you when that is done. ] (]) 03:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
	::However, even if I am misreading the schematic, it is well-established that good edit summary can forestall problems. The edit summary of your removal of an infobox was "(img, add)". Applying AGF, one might suppose you intended to add an image, and accidentally removed the infobox. In which case the reversion to add it again was warranted, and the burden is on you to initiate the discussion. If it wasn't an accident that you removed the infobox, it should have been explained in the edit summary.
			::], now done; see ]. ] (]) 03:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Both of you should have begun discussion at the talk page. I'm not, at this point, interested in wikilawyering to figure out which should have been first. You both have been around long enough to know that a content dispute should start with a discussion on the talk page, and I have not yet found evidence of that happening.--]] 17:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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	== I've seen enough ==
			==Washington==
	It occurred to me as I reviewed some of the edits identified by Andy that I was emphasizing more recent edits. Perhaps one or both of you had been using the talk pages, and found it fruitless, so abandoned it. I just now looked at the first two edits in the list of examples, both in December 2012. In neither case do I see either of you at the article talk page, nor so I see evidence that either of you discussed either of these articles on each other's editor talk pages. You both have tens of thousands of edits, yet are ignoring rules we expect editors with a hundred edits to follow.
			Hi Nikkimaria, I've noticed your help edits on the George Washington page a week or two ago, and also your similar edits on James Madison before that. My thoughts were to ask if you might be interested in looking at the Washington page with the possibility of moving it forward for a promotion. The James Madison article from last year was promoted and I thought it might be nice to do something like this for Washington as well. The Washington page seems to average over 10K page count daily which appears to highlight its visibility to Misplaced Pages readers, and maybe you might think about doing it as a co-nomination. Any thoughts? ] (]) 00:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi ], by promotion do you mean you'd like to nominate it for ]? If so, I think the challenge will be ensuring that ] is met, given the sheer volume of sources out there. ] (]) 00:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
	I had panned to look into more edits, but I think that is a waste of time. While I do see some edits that are problematic, I see them on both sides.
			::Yes, the FA nomination would be next in order. Your comment of the cites is accurate since the article is approaching 500 references. I've done a semi-random citation check of checking one random citation for each group of 20 cites in the article, and the article cites seem to hold up. The main ones among the citations at this time seem to be from the ] biography of Washington which appear with some prominence throughout the article, and the cites look pretty well done. ] (]) 01:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Are there other biographies that warrant additional prominence, in your view? ] (]) 01:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
	At the moment, I feel both of you deserve trouts, and request that you both drop the sticks, start over, and follow Editing 101 processes. Then, if one or the other does violate policies, guidelines or editing protocol expected by the community, it will be far easier to admonish the guilty party.--]] 18:30, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
			::::From the general standpoint, following the presidents in order, then the James Adams article is currently at FA, while the Jefferson article is somewhat undeveloped. The Madison article was promoted to FA last year, if that is what you were mentioning. The Washington article seems to have gone through an early phase and a later phase of editing in Misplaced Pages's history, with the later phase incorporating a thorough reading of the Chernow biography from 2010 by a previous editor. The Washington article appears to have the highest daily page counts of these four president biographies. ] (]) 17:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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	==Molgula oculata, Molgula occulta==
	I have made some alterations to the ] article to address your concerns. However, as I mentioned in the , there is very little information that I can find of general interest on these two organisms, which are of specific interest to the scientific community because of the different characteristics of the larvae. I don't want to start delving into the realms of rDNA and gene sequencing in the articles. If you still think the nomination unsatisfactory, I could withdraw the joint nomination and nominate just one of the articles instead. ] (]) 09:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
	:It's not a matter of needing more information necessarily - if the content was presented differently, it would be sufficient to count as original in both articles. It's just the issue of ''identical'' overlapping content that makes that problematic. ] (]) 18:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
	::Thanks. I've rewritten parts of one of the articles and there should be no problem now. ] (]) 05:27, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
			:::::Sorry, I wasn't clear - other than Chernow, are there other biographies of Washington that you think should be given prominence in that article? ] (]) 00:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::::The current construction of the Misplaced Pages Washington biography appears to have started with the 1988 biography written by John Flexner a number of years prior to the Chernow biography in 2010. Chernow I believe currently is the most expansive and competent biography of Washington in recent years. The short list of some of John Ferling's leading book titles contains: Ferling, John E. (1988). ''The First of Men: A Life of George Washington''. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199752751. ''Setting the World Ablaze: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and the American Revolution''. Oxford University Press. 2002. ISBN 978-0195134094. ''The Ascent of George Washington: The Hidden Political Genius of an American Icon''. Bloomsbury Press. (2009) ISBN 978-1608191826.
	==List of diplomatic missions abroad of Sao Tomé and Principe==
	Hi there. It was a useful information to have about knowing the list of diplomatic missions of Sao Tomé abroad. Why was it cleaned up? There are no much information on the net of how many embassies and consulates Sao Tomé holds, therefore for public information it was really useful to know. Please revert the information back in whatever way you like, but do please provide public of such information. Thanks. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Hey IP, I'd suggest putting that information in a foreign relations subarticle, but not the main country article - the main article is meant to provide a ] (list of countries) rather than a detailed account (list of cities and people). ] (]) 13:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
			::::::The current Misplaced Pages article which presently includes extensive citations to the Chernow biography is comprehensive in the coverage it provides going to about 90K in prose, and might actually be trimmed somewhat in size. ] (]) 15:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::::::::I've noticed your previous 'condense' edit from the Madison page and was thinking maybe you could try it for the Washington page also, which you did here: . The wordy parts of the Washington article would benefit from this. My own plan is to start to target the "Commander in Chief" section which appears to be much too long at present, and it often looks like a duplication of the material already found on Misplaced Pages sibling pages for the 'Revolutionary War.' I'll try to start today. Regarding timing for the article upgrade, how does a co-nomination in about one week from now sound? ] (]) 15:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::I think that's a bit tight for a turnaround. I can certainly do a condensing edit this week, but once the content is set there's some additional work to do for FA level - citation formatting, MOS edits, checking image licensing, etc. I'd say two to three weeks is probably more realistic. ] (]) 16:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::::::::::That sounds pretty good for 2-3 weeks. I've already taken a pass at abridging those subsections I mentioned above in the 'Commander in Chief' section of the Washington article, and the subsections in that section are now all down to 3 paragraphs or less in each subsection. ] (]) 16:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Hi ], it looks like verifiability was raised as a concern in previous FACs for the article, so a bit more in-depth spotchecking will be warranted - do you have access to the Chernow biography to check that it supports the material that it should? ] (]) 03:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::Yes, I'm in possession of the Chernow. In addition to the semi-random check of the article which I previously mentioned to you above, given your current note on more in-depth spotchecking I've gone further now. My current check took the first 40 citations in the article and checked all of the Chernow citations one-by-one. The result is that for the first 40 citations, there were 15 Chernow citations which held up very well on a one-by-one basis. For example, the Chernow cite for "tuberculosis" for his brother Lawrence did verify, as did the Chernow cite for "small pox" for George himself. Many of the Chernow cites also are paired as double citations along with other Washington biographers such as Ferling and others. I'm happy to do more checks on this if you think it useful, though this initial batch of Chernow cites has been fairly meticulous as to giving accurate page cites. Separately, I've further trimmed the article and removed some more of the images; the prose length may be lower now by 10K to 15K than previously. Your 'condensing' from yesterday looks effective for the opening sections and I'll look for more of it to come in the remaining sections. I'm going to continue with more MOS checks for now, and let me know if I should do more with the Chernow spotchecking. ] (]) 20:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
			That looks like a productive week-end of nice edits for you in the article. Very clever use of the postage stamp image for Long Island. Are there any other areas that might need some further research or proof-reading. ] (]) 15:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
			:I was looking through some of the old reviews, and one major issue that came up other than verifiability and length was the use of dated and/or web sources over recent scholarship. There's a few dated sources remaining - do you want to take a look at potential replacements? Thinking particularly of Adams 1928 which should be a fairly straightforward swap. ] (]) 00:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::Also Freedman, which appears to be juvenile literature - that was another type of sources that was raised as to be avoided. ] (]) 00:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:::Agreed on Freedman, and his book is now switched out with my rewrites for the new source which I have added. Alter wording as needed. The Adams (1928) cite on Benedict Arnold seems innocent enough and appears accurate. Let me know if you want it changed out. ] (]) 01:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::I don't think accuracy is an issue, and I don't think we need to absolutely eliminate all older works, but I do think this particular one is worth replacing - it should be easy to do and not worth drawing extra scrutiny over.
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			:::::Agreed. I'll try to have it switched out in the morning. ] (]) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Adams 1928 removal was more of a clean-up than a revision since his material is covered by the Philbrick and Chernow cites already there. Let me know if there are more of these or if further research might be needed after your good trims from earlier. ] (]) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			Cite #30 in article appears to have stopped working correctly on this edit . Cite format listed in cite #30 itself for Coe in Bibliography. Could you look at it? ] (]) 00:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:I'm noticing the Holiday Greetings you are receiving below, and its been 2 weeks of improvement edits to Washington. Any thoughts of whether it might be good timing for putting the article up for FAC either before or after holiday celebration in 4 days? ] (]) 21:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
			::I'd suggest 27 December. In the interim, can you look through the old reviews and double-check that you think the previous objections have been satisfied? I think we're close but another pair of eyes wouldn't hurt. ] (]) 00:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:::Sounds good for 27 December. The cites seem to have largely been holding up, and I'll double check another ten of them today. ] (]) 15:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
	==Blockquotes==
	The MOS suggests (it is not a rule or policy) that quotes of more than "about" 40 words be blockquoted. But where there are already two blockquotes in the same paragraph, it is not necessary, and, in my opinion, it would be poor formatting. -- ] (]) 14:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)		:::P.s. I've just done all of "T to Z" in the book cites, and "Twohig, Dorothy (2001)" is coming back as an insecure link on my screen. Could you give it a look. The others are linking successfully mostly to Google Books. ] (]) 15:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::P.s. I've continued further this morning and just done all of "P to Z" in the book cites, and "Rasmussen, William M. S.; Tilton, Robert S. (1999). George Washington: The Man Behind the Myths. University Press of Virginia," is linking to a book about Hamilton by another author. I could just drop the link though I thought you might want to know. I'll try to do more cite link checks this evening. ] (]) 15:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::P.s. All the rest of the cite links for books did check out now from "A to Z". I'm not sure I'll be signing on much for the next day or two until Thursday and Friday. Good holidays. ] (]) 00:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
			It looks like GMT is saying that it is 11-27-2024 and I'm thinking that I could put it on FAC either now or tomorrow night, unless you would like to do it at a different time. Article looks fairly stable. Any preferences? ] (]) 00:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Either is fine with me. ] (]) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
	== The Mass ==
			::Nomination is in with your name added in the preface to the nomination as the co-nominator, and you can add your signature to it whenever you are ready. I'll try to sign in tomorrow morning if there are any comments. ] (]) 01:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
			There seem to be new comment on the review page which I've started to address. Maybe you can pick up some of them, and I'll get to more of them tomorrow. ] (]) 15:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
			:More from Gog the Mild which I've started on. Maybe you can look at another of the subsections he looked at. I'll try to sign on tomorrow night again. ] (]) 01:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I'm discovering this book on the Grand Forage of 1778 which you introduced as a link last week here: . Your link is in the Valley Forge section. It looks like Gog the Mild has added some new comments today, which I'll start in on. ] (]) 15:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	]: The collapsing of the instruments creates white space on my screen, the instruments are just as important as the voices, and the unusual complexity of the scoring should be seen right away, - my POV, but I am tired of reverting, --] (]) 15:36, 10 June 2013 (UTC)		:::Thanks ] - for the lead I'd suggest focusing on Washington's role rather than the general context of the war. ] (]) 00:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	:The list does not show unusual complexity, just sheer number - the complexity is explained in the article. Infoboxes are meant to be concise, when used, not show complex detail. Long lists should be collapsed for the convenience of the reader, per your talk. ] (]) 15:44, 10 June 2013 (UTC)		::::Nice to see you are online at this hour. Since you have been handling most of the lede revisions maybe you would like to pick at this time on the edit requests from Gog the Mild? ] (]) 00:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::::I've gone ahead and completed those comments from Gog the Mild, and I'll be signing off for now. I'll try to sing on tomorrow night again. ] (]) 01:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
	::(tp stalker) Hi, I've been watching various of these debates spilling out into various message boards, talk pages, etc. Could I suggest that you pull together an RFC, worded neutrally in collaboration with the music project, specifically around the use of info-boxes in classical music compositions, including questions on whether instrumentation should be added to the infobox and if so should it be collapsed. Otherwise this revert-warring will continue without end I fear. --] (]) 15:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::Gerda, how about this: articles where instrumentation is three lines or fewer, uncollapsed; longer, collapsed, using whatever method you deem preferable (as I know you've objected to {{tl|collapsed infobox section begin}}). Obi, that would sound like a good idea, but I know the history here: there was already an extensive RfC on infoboxes in composers articles, and that did not change a whole lot - those who disagree with it have mostly ignored its findings, or argued about what it concluded. ] (]) 16:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
	::::Obi: this is about a composition, no need for such a procedure, no conflict. We disagree about no more than whether a few lines, showing the instruments of one of the greatest works of music, have to be collapsed or not. I am for uncollapsed, especially since the collapsing only creates white space for me. Please see yourself. (I also happen to be the author but that doesn't matter.)
	::::Nikkimaria: the reader would not know the distinction that you propose. It's the reader whom I would like to show without an extra click: complex vs. simple instrumentation. The reader can easily ignore that if it is too much for him, it's the very end of the box. --] (]) 16:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::::The reader doesn't know what you say the box shows, because it doesn't show that, whether collapsed or uncollapsed. Keep it simple in the box, show complexity in the article, ]. Here are ways I can think of for doing that: don't include instrumentation at all; give number of parts; give instrument families; give link to section; include long collapsed list ("if it can't be displayed succinctly, then don't display it unless the reader wants to"); don't use a box at all. ] (]) 17:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
	::::::I leave it for now, no time. Link to section is not wanted by the same MOS you cite. - The instruments are where the music shows. - Define "long", - the instruments of a symphony orchestra would be long, not this, if you ask me. Off to rehearsal of it, --] (]) 17:17, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::::::The music is where the music shows, and there is little music in a box. ] (]) 17:33, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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	Do we need a central discussion if the instruments - all but viola with solo function as important as the solo voices - should be shown without an extra click? --] (]) 15:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Absent a central discussion about composition infoboxes in general, no. You said above you had " it for now, no time"; now that you have time, do you have a response to my post? ] (]) 15:29, 11 June 2013 (UTC)		More useful comments from Gog the Mild which I've gone through; one remains if you might confirm the cost inflation conversions which he mentions. Otherwise, I'm assuming all the other edit requests from all the other editors are up to date up to today. ] (]) 21:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			::Some added comments from Gog the Mild which I've gone through. The responses look up to date for the week-end. ] (]) 20:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
	::For the moment we leave it as you chose. Instrumentation can help a reader to imagine how a piece sounds. Numbers would not help that imagination. Instrument families would not do justice to the fact that in this piece (and only in this piece) Bach had trumpets AND horn (not at the same time, both with a meaning). --] (]) 16:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
	::::Butting in again (and please let me know if this is inappropriate): Gerda above you've written a wonderful sentence - ''Bach had trumpets AND horn (not at the same time, both with a meaning'' - which I think would help readers greatly if it were presented so in the article and then expanded with an explanation of each. I'm guessing, but perhaps wrongly, the trumpets herald or symbolize the angelic host. It's helpful to think of readers such as myself, interested in music but with next to no knowledge. Also, re the infobox - I'm still seeing a very large question mark appear when I hover over the fields which is not helpful, the uncollapsed version falls into the lower section causing text squeeze, and to see the table I have to scroll from left to right, which causes many formatting problems on the lower portions of the page. Nikkimaria, if you'd prefer, in the future I can comment on the article talk page, which imo is where these discussion should be held. ] (]) 16:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::::Thank you, Victoria! Both articles, the Mass and ] (linked already from the parameter in the infobox) are works in progress, your good point will be covered in both, feel free to edit the articles and ask questions on their talk. - I kept the question here because our little - no good name handy, look at the article history and find one - is more a private matter ;) - I will spell out the voice parts for you. - Did I tell you that I like your name? - I meant to talk to you anyway (because you said you left the ANI discussion), to point you to a ] with the author of ] who helped me greatly with ], - I miss him. (Did you know I translated part of it to German, ], with a 5-digit success on their Main page, due only to the stunning picture, of course?) --] (]) 17:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::::I wrote the voice parts in full now. The only abbreviation left is SATB, but that is also linked. When I hover over it, I see a question mark and below as two popups what it stands for and a preview of the linked article. - It occurred to me that the truly interested reader will see that Bach himself specified voices and instruments on the title page. --] (]) 17:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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	Nikkimaria, this nomination was just approved, but the amount of quoted material in the article strikes me as borderline given its overall length, so I thought I'd pass this to you (my schedule this week is horrific, and I'm way past my bedtime as I type this given when I need to be up again). Many thanks. ] (]) 07:47, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Agree it's definitely borderline, but I think I'd be inclined to let it go in this case. ] (]) 13:48, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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			I have to agree with you that not all known causes of disease are defining. However I think the ending of our overly large tree of death by cause articles, which leads to Rome people being in a half smdozen or more death cats, it going to have to be done on a case by case basis. I think Containerizing the cardiovascular disease Category is a good first step. I think the other thing we need to do is take seriously the fact that place of death is not defining.] (]) 03:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hi Nikki, could you say whether you're willing not to follow Andy's and Gerda's contribs? In return, they're being asked not to add infoboxes where they know they'll be controversial. I'm hoping that an agreement will help to head off an ArbCom case. Many thanks, ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 01:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Hi Slim, your proposal as written is a bit unclear, and so quite gameable, as written. If Andy should agree to not deal with infoboxes in the classical music area at all, or to add or argue for boxes where someone objects, then that would eliminate most of his problematic behaviour and I would have little cause to interact with him. However, I suspect he is unlikely to agree to that. Thank you for trying, though. ] (]) 12:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
			:Agreed on the latter, though I hold out hope on the former. ] (]) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
	::I'm sorry the proposal is unclear; I'm not sure about the ins and outs of the dispute, so it's hard to be precise. I think it would be good if people would agree to whatever they can, because that will serve to isolate whoever is being unreasonable. If Andy is left as the only person causing a problem, then it will be much clearer what needs to happen. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 22:40, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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	:::(watching) I don't see Andy as a person causing a problem, so certainly not as "the only" one. I tried hard on AN/I to not say where I see problems, in order not to cause more. "infoboxes in the classical music area" is too broad a field, at least limit to composers, there are compositions and orchestras, for example, where infoboxes are accepted by the project, just not by certain authors (whose wishes I will respect). - Look at the "discussion" of ] without bias and see who is reasonable. The discussion was completely unnecessary, - I will have to understand why an infobox can't sit on a TALK page without ANY discussion (but will respect that also even if I don't understand). --] (]) 23:28, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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	::::I genuinely don't know who is mostly causing the problem, because I've only glanced at the dispute from time to time. What is obvious is that it's likely to end up at ArbCom if not sorted out by the parties, and then probably everyone will be sanctioned, so I would really urge people to make whatever concessions they can. Why not agree that classical music is off-limits, infobox-wise? ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 23:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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	:::::Why not agree? Because the project just recently created {{tl|infobox orchestra}}, initiated by ], and the bias that the project is against infoboxes per se is simply wrong and doesn't do justice to is efforts. I am a member. --] (]) 23:41, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
			Probably a better image, thanks (the one replaced was very good except for the pesky cloud). On your image {{tl|Mount Rushmore}}, could that be the shadow and hair of Donald Trump nudging in to take his place to the right of Lincoln? I don't know if I've come to your talk page before, but certainly have joined you in many RM's thoughout the years. Happy holidays and best wishes for 2025. ] (]) 12:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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	:::::::Excuse me gatecrashing — ''the wonderful new notifications feature told me I was being mentioned'' — it would be great if classical music is off-limits '''''biographical''''' infobox-wise. Regarding organisations, halls, compositions etc. there are debates about simple vs monster boxes etc. but no-one AFAIK is against boxes across the board. --'']]'' 00:35, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
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	:::::: I share Nikkimaria's concern with the proposal, which might simply mean that the wording needs tightening. Does " not to follow Andy's and Gerda's contribs" mean if Andy of Gerda ever edit an article, Nikkimaria can never edit there? That sounds unreasonable, but if that isn't what is meant, the wording needs improvement.--]] 23:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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	:::::::::I said "follow", not "follow my edits before I even make them", as in ] and other red links off my user page ;) --] (]) 20:38, 17 June 2013 (UTC)		:Cheers and best to you as well! ] (]) 00:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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	::::::::::, others don't; you can change if you like. And ] - I wasn't looking at your page, sorry if I stepped on your toes. ] (]) 22:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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	:I just read the ANI thread, and I believe that's (yet another) Arbcom case in the making. You may or may not want to spend more time elsewhere (such as at Milhist :) - Dank (]) 15:21, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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	Could we lock up this page (Semi-protected or Pending changes) it gets vandalized 2 to 3 times a week...I am having trouble keeping up. Something odd happened at the page today an IP did a great job changing the images in the infobox as seen , but then changed some stats to made up numbers that didn't even add up as seen . Pending changes might be the best idea what do you think? Should I just go to page protection? The reason I am asking you is that I have had many page protected by way of page protection request but they are never more then a month or so - looking for a long term solution. The ratio of positive edits vs poor ones by unregistered users is a bit much.] (]) 06:27, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Hey Moxy, I'm only seeing 10 vandal edits in the past month (plus one by someone autoconfirmed). I'm not sure that's significant enough to warrant protection, even though there are fewer positive IP contribs. You might get a different answer at RfPP, though, and I'll keep an eye on the page to see whether the rate changes. ] (]) 12:48, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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	Dear Nikkimaria, why is it necessary to delete Amy Hanley's father's bio,http://vegas.wikia.com/Tom_Hanley since he was a big part of Sin City Rules episodes. This was one of the reasons Amy Hanley was chosen for the role, because of who her father was and the Las Vegas history connection. ... In fact he was shown numerous times on the show, especially during each and every preview of the show and the opening of the show. What do you think would be appropriate to reference Tom Hanley, we thought the wikia was a perfect reference. (] (]) 23:58, 15 June 2013 (UTC)).
	:Hi MafiaMobDoll, wikia is not an appropriate ]. See ]. I would suggest you look for a more reliable source for your information, if one is available. ] (]) 00:15, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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	I said above: I don't want to start a new topic for the simple question: what makes ] an ], as the category says (not the article)? --] (]) 20:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
	:, others don't; you can change if you like. And ] - I wasn't looking at your page, sorry if I stepped on your toes. ] (]) 22:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
	::I had a neverending discussion with someone on de who claimed that the parts of the ] cannot be termed cantatas because an oratorio is such a different thing. I am not sure. So far I thought - by that discussion - that an oratorio has to have a "Handlung" (action, story). Britten's piece has no story, nor ] ("This work is known as the first Lutheran oratorio." says the article.). --] (]) 22:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
			I have a couple of thoughts about your removing birth years & death years citing ] in the ] article...
	New day, I slept over it and think it deserves a new topic, after all. The work is a radio feature, mostly spoken, with some texts set to music by Britten, like incidental music in a play. You would not say a play is a work by the composer of the incidental music, right? Can you word that and categorize it properly? - I don't have time for that article right now. - I know the arguments about truth and verifiability, - but if a source proclaims nonsense, it should simply not be termed a reliable source (see ]). - I confess that I am in love with the piece, - one of the reasons I didn't tackle it yet. (Yes, I know that love is a bad advisor.) I asked people for help before, as you can easily see, following the links to the wonderful title that speaks at the same time of good company and a military force. - I wanted to have it ready for DYK on Britten's birthday. That will not work now, I can't expand your great start 5* later, and the DYK people will not be willing to hold it that long. But it doesn't matter too much ;) --] (]) 09:07, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
			*Many times in colonial American families, duplicate names are repeated from generation to generation and sometimes even repeated within a generation with especially male cousins and various male relatives being given the same name. The only way to keep them straight is to have the birth years & death years given alongside the names. In the Mary Ball Washington article, "Joseph Ball" is a name that is repeated between father and son and so it is helpful to readers to give the birth year & death year along with the name, for instance Joseph Ball(1649–1711) is the father and Joseph Ball (1689–1760) is the son.
			*The MOS states "birth and death ''details''"...are the actual years of birth & of death the details meant in this part of the MOS? If these years appear in the sources that are cited, it seems to me that the particular information should also appear in the articles (the months & days, for instance, <u>would</u> seem to be a possible trivial detail.) The actual length of people's lives who are members of notable figures' families - even if these people do not have their own Misplaced Pages article - can be important for our readership. I think including the birth year/death year should be retained.
			**Btw when I dug through the changing statements for MOS:Birthdate, I came upon . The editor who added the initial statement seems to mostly have been referring to the subject of the article, that Misplaced Pages didn't need to repeat the ''subject's'' birth year & death year within the article text (especially because that information already appears in the lead section), it doesn't really seem to refer to other people's years-living information within an article. A pattern I noticed for this article is that even if the 2 Joseph Balls' years-lving is restored...well, when the years-living are removed, at least in this article, it reveals a possible iniquity regarding the familial women's information. - ] (]) 19:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Hi ], as far as I'm aware, previous discussions around the issue have come to the consensus that years for family members should generally be excluded (]; I recall a more recent discussion but can't find it at the moment). This seems consistent with ] as well. In the context of this article, in the locations where the dates were included for the two Josephs, they are already being introduced as her father and half-brother, which provides the necessary context. ] (]) 19:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::::The linked discussion you mention above was concerned with what "special contextual relevance" meant and there was no resolution. I think the birth year/death year is not trivial, is useful information for our readers, and such information does serve to differentiate, in an immediately clear way, historical people in an article who have the same name. WP:NOTACATALOG wouldn't seem to be all that relevant here since it is only concerned with Misplaced Pages Lists. We will have to agree to disagree on the matter of birth year/death year being included in articles. People's lifespans - when they are born and when they died - seems rather important to me. - ] (]) 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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	When you remove hooks from the DYK queue, could you please fill the empty slot with another hook? This would be a courtesy to other DYK participants and other keepers of the main page. It's disruptive to the main page when the size of DYK fluctuates.
			Hiya. Your input would be appreciated if you have any thoughts on query at ] ] (]) 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	As for that too-short article you pulled a few hours ago, ''mea culpa'' for not verifying its length before I promoted the queue. (It looked a bit short, but it also appeared longer than a couple of articles I had checked -- and verified to be long enough -- just a little while earlier, so I didn't bother...) --] (]) 12:37, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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	Greetings Nikkimaria. Sorry, but I reverted your good faith edit over at ] 'cos it is the result of ongoing vandalism. You might like to check out the following to see three editors - or just the one - that are playing around: ... I'm off to revert further vandalism at that article. Cheers! --] (]) 19:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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	Nikkimaria, Nvvchar says that the issues you raised with this nomination have been addressed. Can you please check, and give whatever icon it now deserves? Many thanks. ] (]) 21:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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	== Infobox opera ==
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	{{tl|infobox opera}} is an option for operas. I will not ask permission for every insertion, but will not revert if the Main author (!) disagrees. See the discussion on project opera and ]. --] (]) 11:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Voceditenore is not the main author of that article, your edit summary was mistaken, and you ''should'' discuss before making such changes to an FA. Please revert yourself. ] (]) 12:36, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
	::Oh here we go again. Nikki, you are not an army of one. Drop the stick, please. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::You're right, I'm not an army of one, but I do what I can :-) ] (]) 17:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
	:My edit summary was a mistake, therefore I came here to explain. Project opera opened the option to have an infobox for operas. I feel free, as said on ], to add an infobox to articles. If the Main author doesn't think it's an improvement, they can revert, no problem. We have about 1000 opera articles, I will not start a discussion for every single one. The higher the quality of an article, the more improvement you want, no? --] (]) 12:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
	::High-quality articles are meant to be stable; it would be courteous for you to discuss these types of changes before you make them. The higher the quality of an article, the less improvement it should need - and your template additions, while doubtlessly in good faith, are in many cases not improvements. ] (]) 12:43, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::FA: "... if you can update or improve it, please do so." - that is no call for stability for stability's sake, and infoboxes for operas are not even contentious, but a new option. I would accept a "no improvement" from a main author of a given article, while you - not a cotributor to that article - could have questioned the addition on the talk, rather than the work of two editors. Will you please do that next time? --] (]) 13:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
	::::The inclusion of infoboxes does tend to be at the more contentious end of editing, especially as I've seen people accused of vandalism when boldly ''removing'' them. Gerda, you discuss how you "install samples of how it can look": this can be done as easily in userspace as it can on stable, high-quality articles. - ] (]) 13:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
	::::I am happy to discuss, but not with the template in place as a ''fait accompli''; when it is disputed, it requires consensus to add, not to remove. As you insist on being bold even when asked to be cautious, we will follow ]. ] (]) 14:09, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
			Hi. I'm starting to work on ] History section, as mentioned in talk page at ]
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			Just to confirm: In April 2024, when you split-off the History section into new article ] all the text (from the orig History section) was retained (in the new article) correct? Knowing that would be helpful as I go forward in the main ] article. Thanks 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC) ] (]) 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	As discussed several times, the structure of a Bach cantata can be shown in an infobox by saying precisely which movements the text poet derived from the Bible and from chorale. The discussion of ] showed a feasable way to do so, mentioning "(in movement x)" the first time, "(movt. y)" later. Please consider reverting your changes that delete this information, such as , and the respective section in the documentation of the template, --] (]) 12:14, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
	:As discussed several times, the infobox is meant to be concise, not to show all details - that's what the article is for. And didn't you argue that discussions about the template should take place at template talk, not on an individual article? ] (]) 12:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
	::You are the only one reverting, why take that to template talk? Smerus approved the addition of the movement numbers, in an article of GA quality. The structure of a Bach cantata is not "all details", but a core fact about the work, which can be shown with little addition. Why you take the time to revert that I will have to understand. --] (]) 12:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::Gerda, you added that detail to the template documentation, and I objected and removed it. You then began adding it to a number of articles. That doesn't make sense without discussion. ] (]) 12:41, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I need to delete my old username which is redirecting to my page? Can you help me with this deletion? If not, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance. Benzekre (talk) 11:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this has gotten sorted? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Another admin help me out. Thanks anyway! Benzekre (talk) 06:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Hi, I didn't read the whole article. I would like to ask you: do you think what this user wrote is true or not? Almost everything seems fine to me. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the article is mostly appropriately balanced. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I hope the article isn't even a little biased against Italy, it wouldn't be fair at all. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Why did you delete Kellogg?

no need to just redirect it as he is such a popular character and has an entire character arc and should not be reduced to a simple page with no text and a simple redirect. Please answer me as to why you did this WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi WikipedianAncientHistorian, the article's only reference was to an open wiki, which is not considered a reliable source. It also does not appear that the character has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, which is what is generally needed to have a standalone article. 20:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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I talked to Gerda Arendt on having my article I'm working on (Sarah Geronimo) for FAC months ago, and she said that she is currently busy with other things. Which is why I'm finding a second mentor for FAC. Do you mind checking the article and my sandbox for any feedback, updates, and improvements? Thank you. ScarletViolet tc 12:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi ScarletViolet, pop music isn't really my area of interest, but I can give some general feedback. Could you clarify your plan regarding the sandbox? Will it replace the current article, or are you going to try to merge the two? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Sorry for the late reply. The content of my sandbox will replace the current article once its complete. Currently, I believe it's 85-90% complete. ScarletViolet tc 12:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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@Chipmunkdavis: - @CambridgeBayWeather: Not sure what is best to do here. We have some great infomation from User:John Cummings about forest being added all over...however they are using a working paper not peer reviewed or published in an academic journal or offical yet. In the cases of Canada we have "real" numbers. Though the numbers are close to Canada offical numbers they are a bit off. I plan to fix the Canada numbers..but what about the rest?

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Offical numbers = https://natural-resources.canada.ca/sites/nrcan/files/forest/sof2023/NRCAN_SofForest_Annual_2023_EN_accessible-vf(1).pdf - Moxy🍁 12:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Moxy I'm out of town until Sunday, and I forgot my laptop. I'll take a look on Monday. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 12:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I saw this pop up on Botswana but haven't taken a closer look yet. As an initial comment, these pushing the same edit over hundreds of articles type missions don't usually lead to great improvement. I'm not opposed to an FAO working paper in principle, but I would not use it over the Canada document you link. CMD (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Chipmunkdavis:, @CambridgeBayWeather:, @Moxy:, just to correct a missunderstanding, to clarify:

• The numbers do not come from the working paper, the working paper is to provide a reference for the terms used in the text.
• The numbers come from the main UN Food and Agriculture Organization Global Forest Resources Assessment, the data for Canada is taken from this page. The data for the FRA is collated from each government, so there will also be a Canadian government source which also includes these statistics (perhaps the one you reference). The data collated by the UN is published every 5 years since 1948 so its possible that the source you site is more up to date.

I hope that helps

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 13:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not a bad source, but like all UN data it should be treated with care. An odd case, for some reason Italy submits a different official English name to the UN than it uses on its constitution's official English translation. CMD (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I think regardless of sourcing, the level of detail being added is excessive for a top-level country page. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Singapore ethniticities

Regarding the cleanup at Singapore, while ethnicity can sometimes be hard to put figures on, in Singapore it's a strictly regulated system where each person is legally assigned to a race. It would likely be a better reflection of the country for the reader to include that in the infobox instead of citizen vs resident. CMD (talk) 02:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No objections to swapping from me. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Chicken gun is a game

Shame on you for deleting my edit 36.65.196.37 (talk) 07:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP, if there is sourcing to demonstrate the game is notable, then there can be an article about it and a hatnote that points to that article. But external links don't belong in hatnotes. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

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You should pull out a book on English grammar and review punctuation with respect to subordinate clauses. Your undoing of my edits to Stanley Kubrick show that you are deficient in this area. — Foxtrot1296 (talk) 04:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.com renewal error

Hi there,

I requested a renewal for complimentary access to Newspapers.com on September 27. However, I cannot access the full archive. When I clicked on "Account Details," it reads under the Subscription info, "You're currently a Registered Guest. This free subscription gets you access to search newspapers but you will not be able to view the full page. Get a paid subscription for access." Birdienest81talk 08:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Birdienest81, your account has to be activated by Newspapers.com before it will have full access - suggest trying again in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hallowell

Why did you scratch the pop-cultural ref to The Frozen River? You just asked for relevance; how-ever, it is common in Misplaced Pages articles to include songs and books that focus on the given community. This particular book about Martha Ballard, midwife in the village in the 18th century takes place almost exclusively in the community and gives a picture of its character. Kdammers (talk) 06:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kdammers, per this RfC such entries require secondary sourcing indicating their significance to the topic. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

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		To Nikkimaria on the occasion of your closing the Minneapolis FAR as kept. A thousand thanks for more than a year's coordination. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Congrats to you on the fine work on that article. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Reference bundling

I assume you seen my reference bundling at Canada. Was thinking of doing this for other FA country articles... because in my view it makes things so much more legible.... what do you think Japan Germany Australia? Help:Citation merging. Moxy🍁 23:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Moxy, I find bundling useful when there's a reason to do it, like adding annotation, but I'm not generally a fan for just combining citations - in my view having multiple clickable numbers is no different from a usability perspective from having multiple citations within one clickable number (plus it makes it harder to repeat a single ref). Nikkimaria (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Bithia Mary Croker

You reversed my correction of her birthplace. It is written on her gravestone, which can be seen on findagrave. Is this not reliable enough? RabbitFromMars (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oxford DNB also writes "Croker , Bithia Mary (1847–1920), novelist, was born in Warrenpoint, co. Down, on 28 May 1847" (it's paywalled, but this part shows up with a Google search), so I will add Warrenpoint again. RabbitFromMars (talk) 14:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Perfect, I've added that ref, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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Parsec

Unless there's a real reason as to why my popular culture addition about the Terminator and Parscs shouldn't be added, don't remove it. What reason would there be? It's popular culture and I cited the references. Metaphysical typist (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Parsec#In_popular_culture — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metaphysical typist (talk • contribs) 22:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Metaphysical typist, this type of content needs reliable, secondary sourcing that indicates its significance in order to be included. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Really?! The pop culture tidbit above mine using citation #23 has an invalid link! I went above and beyond to cite my sources. Metaphysical typist (talk) 06:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, really - if other entries are inappropriately sourced those should be addressed rather than more added. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Peer Review Request

Hello Nikkimaria, I was wondering if you could give this article a peer review? I saw you on the peer review volunteer page and wanted to ask someone for one. The article is Adi Meyerson and here's the peer review page. She's a jazz bassist in New York City who has released two albums so far. I came across this article a week ago and have been improving it as much as I can. I'm not a very experienced editor and I'm sure I'm missing a lot in this article. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 23:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

rimsky korsakov

hi hi, seen you’ve taken down my rimsky-korsakov infobox, i checked the note and the annexed wiki project, and decided to still add the infobox as the talk page for him isn’t active, how shall i proceed with it? Antniomanso (talk) 10:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The talk page is now active so let's continue this conversation there. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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William D. Hoard portrait

Hi Nikkimaria, I was looking at your comments on the William D. Hoard portrait and I am having a heck of a time fixing the link. The Wisconsin Historical Society doesn't allow direct linking to specific portraits from what I can tell, and this particular version of this image doesn't appear to exist in their archives anymore. Going to the WHS portrait search, searching for William D. Hoard, and downloading their image collection (clicking print on the left side, selecting images) provides a PDF with various images in it of the oil painting, including what appears to be a restored/more color-accurate version on the last page. These images should be public domain, but it's not clear to me if the digital recreations are also public domain, nor if the WHS Terms of Use actually applies in this case or if it only applies to purchased images. I'd be curious for your thoughts and any suggestions you might have. Thanks for looking! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi M4V3R1CK32, iff the original image is PD, I don't think there have been significant enough changes that the new version would be anything other than PD. But what leads you to believe the original is PD? I don't see anything in the WHS portrait record on copyright status, despite what the ToU says. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The portrait was painted in 1891, so it should be PD by virtue of being published prior to 1929 according to Commons if I am understanding everything correctly. Near the bottom of the portrait entry it says "This portrait was painted in 1891 by James Reeve Stuart (1834-1915)". M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi M4V3R1CK32, publication has a very specific definition in US copyright law, and simply being created or even displayed prior to 1929 does not guarantee that it meets that definition. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Learn something new every day! The portrait entry says this in the second to last paragraph:

This portrait of William Hoard was donated to the State Historical Society of Wisconsin by Governor James O. Davidson. It was noted thusly, "Oil portrait, framed, of Gov. W.D. Hoard, formerly hung in the Executive Chamber, Capitol. Painted by J.R. Stuart, September, 1891." (Proceedings of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin...1907, 1908, p. 92.)

So if I'm reading things correctly I think that would satisfy the requirement in section 1902 by transfer of ownership to be considered published, and it would still be PD by this definition of publication in 1907-1908:

Section 101 of the Copyright Act defines publication as “the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.

Does that make sense to you? I am very much a novice with this kind of thing and want to make sure I'm doing things right. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi M4V3R1CK32, 1902 references distribution to the public - I don't think what's being described here would qualify. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I wonder if the state historical society being a government agency would impact that at all? In any case, I think the provision for unpublished works or works for hire would apply for it be PD.

Commons says for unpublished works, if there is a "Known author with a known date of death 70 years after the death of author." James Reeve Stuart died in 1915, so it has been more than 70 years since his death and the portrait should be PD under that provision.

If the portrait was work for hire (which seems likely) the copyright term has also expired. Works for hire had their copyright expire 120 years after creation, so anything created prior to 1904 is PD according to the chart I linked on Commons (also available on the Copyright rules by territory page). The portrait was made in 1891, so it has been PD for at least 13 years if it was work for hire and I'm reading things correctly. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

If it was never published before 2003, PD-US-unpublished would be the way to go. Is that known to be the case? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it may be old enough where even if it had been officially published at some point in the last 100 years, it wouldn't make a difference. The Commons Copyright rules by territory page says the copyright expires when "the earlier of 95 years after first publication or 120 years after creation" comes to pass -- it could be officially published tomorrow under the definition of publication in chapter 1900 but 120 years would still have passed since its creation, so it should still be PD I would think. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 03:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

It might make a difference, depending on if/when it was published. If never before 2003 or definitely before 1929, it's PD. But if it was published at some point after 1929 but before 2003, maybe not. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

That's an interesting interpretation, one that could cause problems for a lot of portraits on Commons now.

When it comes to publication, the " distribute copies... for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display, constitutes publication." We know that the portrait hung in the "executive chamber" (either the governor's office or governor's conference room), both which are a gray area as far "public" areas go. Does that constitute being published under the rule of intent to distribute for public display?

It was also given to a government agency (the historical society) in 1907 or 1908. That agency is charged with the "preservation and care of all records, both printed and written, and all articles and other materials of historic interest and significance placed in its custody" as well as charged with cataloging those materials "for the more convenient reference of all persons who have occasion to consult the collections", including the ability to loan out materials , which sounds an awful lot to me like it was offered to be distributed for public display, constituting publication ~116 years ago, which would make it PD.

I don't know! It's a weird question. Appreciate you sticking with me this long and considering everything on this topic. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 05:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The original display of the work would fall under "public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication" per 1902. As to the historical society, unless there is an agency-specific exception that I'm not aware of, unpublished materials available in an archival capacity are still considered unpublished. See for example this statement from the Society of American Archivists]. (As they and you note, this creates lots of problems, especially when the provenance of a work is less clear.)

So in terms of moving forward for this image, I'd suggest doing some searching to see what's the earliest confirmed publication of the portrait you can identify. Once we've figured out what that is, the next steps will be much clearer. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! Thought I'd circle back to this discussion. I've done all the digging I know how to do, including searching copyright registrations back to 1923, and have seen no instance of the portrait being registered for copyright nor evidence of a formal publication. I took the discussion to the copyright village pump on Commons and editors there believe the portrait to be in the public domain, so I think we should be good. Thanks for all the discussion here! This was a great conversation. Cheers M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

"Murder of"

Over the years I have seen you delete infoboxes within Misplaced Pages articles. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I do not. Is this a thing on Misplaced Pages that there should only be one infobox per page? I agree that having 5 would be excessive, but for a "Murder of" article for example, if there is only one perpetrator involved I fail to see why there is a need to remove an infobox for the perpetrator if one already exists for the victim, especially if the article is already reasonably long. I can't see in Misplaced Pages policy where this a thing to only have 1 infobox per page. Inexpiable (talk) 16:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)\

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East Germany and Polish People's Republic

Hi Nikkimaria, I see that you keep deleting descriptions in make for governments of Eastern block countries. I personally don't think that the overly short description of "socialist republic" works for either of these two countries. Considering that the type of socialist country they were were Marxist-Leninist in nature, I think it would be more accurate and informative to describe them as what they were, Marxist-Leninist one party socialist republics. There are many other pages of Marxist-Leninist states where they're government description is the same as I had put for East Germany so I don't see why it shouldn't also have its description as such. As for the Polish People's Republic, I think that the inclusion that it was under a stalinist dictatorship from 1947-1956 and the detail about the country being under a military junta are good details as they show how the form of government changed. I think the way you oversimplify the descriptions is reductive and degrades the quality of the articles. WildRaptor777 (talk) 05:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the shorter version both identifies the government type and does so at a glance, but you'd be welcome to take your proposal to the articles' talk pages. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, but thanks for being reasonable and respectful WildRaptor777 (talk) 01:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I’ll make sure to take my proposal to the talk page WildRaptor777 (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Steve Waterbury

Why did you remove his Find a grave?Johnny Spasm (talk) 16:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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Haydn discussion

Hello, I wanted to inform you that I added my vote to the infobox discussion for Joseph Haydn and as there appeared to be no consensus (5 votes for, 3 against), I removed the infobox pending further votes as I do not think as it stands there is clear consensus. I also object to how the infobox remained static for months until a new vote after months of no discussion was used to add the infobox. I do not think that adding it at this time is warranted. Barbarbarty (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

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Source removal

Hi, I just wanted to explain a little bit more in-depth my reversion of your removal of the sources in Patrick J. Ryan (chaplain). Per Misplaced Pages talk:Citing sources/FAQ, grave markers are valid sources under {{cite sign}}. My understanding is that FindAGrave is not allowed for its user-generated, non-reliable content on obituaries, etc; the URLs in the sources simply give the non-free photos of graves being cited. Seeing as the citations would be valid and reliable without the link, I didn't think that adding the link as an additional piece of information with the grave photos would be an issue. If it is, please remove the links but leave the grave citations themselves. ~Darth Stabro 02:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Darth Stabro, what do you see as the benefit of doing that? Even if they belong to the people mentioned in the article, the graves don't support the claims being made about them. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The name of his father and the full name (Johanna) of his mother are not found in any other sources at the moment. The Current Biography Yearbook 1955 source is currently offline until the Internet Archive figures its stuff out and the article is currently being reviewed for Good Article, and the reviewer asked for a source for the names other than that source. ~Darth Stabro 02:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

But this source doesn't give you that. Primary sources can be used only for they themselves say, without analysis or synthesis. You can prove that stones with those names exist, but not that they are the parents whose full names you don't have. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. ~Darth Stabro 02:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Rollback on Josefina Echánove

@Nikkimaria, I understand why you did it because I 99% of the time would have done the same. I get that it looks immensely weird to be changing the birth and death place on a dead person, Josefina Echánove. If you will have read the inline source from the LA times, the memorial that I added from ancestry thru the wiki resources. At some point, someone entered her place of birth and dying in Guanajuato. It's so bad because the Wikidata statement literally says it but cites a source that says the correct birth place of New york, I am at this moment updating the wikidata statements so I won't need to change the info in 7 different languages.

I thought my summaries would be enough to cause a second glance, obviously I was mistaken. Can you please self revert your rollback? RCSCott91 (talk) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

FYI: the change was done by IP user 201.168.135.200 03:55, 14 October 2024. RCSCott91 (talk) 21:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you RCSCott91 (talk) 07:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Newspapers.com account struggling to reboot after approval

Howdy Nikkimaria. Ain't the first time I've had to reach out to you about problems with my Newspapers.com account. You reapproved my registration, but the account still says Registered Guest rather than member. Just need a quick refreshers. I've logged out and in multiple times. Just wondering what the update is. Mitch32 01:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Silverfish Popular Culture

I reverted it and then was going to edit it again to add more reliable sources, but you reverted it before I could add new sources. Then an "edit war" pop-up appeared. Idk, just saying. Deerare2good (talk) 02:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

What sources did you want to add? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Please let me know if you approve of these sources. None of these are wikis to my knowledge. Deerare2good (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

They're definitely better, but this type of content needs sourcing that demonstrates the subject's cultural impact, rather than just its use - see MOS:IPC. I don't think these quite get there. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Guy Fawkes Night

Hi, I noticed you reverted my edits. I use ISBN-10 for books published before 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 for books published after 1 January 2007. I don't think this is wrong. Also, you reverted "LLC" deletion, but {{cite book}} states: Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc.", or "GmbH" are not usually included.-- Carnby (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Why do you believe switching to ISBN-10 is correct? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Because ISBN-10 was standard until 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 after 1 January 2007.-- Carnby (talk) 08:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

But when there is an ISBN-13 which is assigned to a work, what do you feel the benefit is of changing it to an ISBN-10? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for accepting my application! However, when I try to access Newspapers.com, I still receive the usual info I would if I used a free account. Is there a reason why? Tavantius (talk) 22:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

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Wagner Infobox

Hello, I see you reverted my infobox edits on Richard Wagner.

I have reviewed the talk page and found a discussion on whether or not to include a infobox, but not on the content of the infobox.

I have added such a discussion to get things going: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Richard_Wagner#Infobox_improvements

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Query

Greetings @Nikkimaria. I just wanted you to tell me whether the following image is properly licensed or not.

Looking forward to your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 08:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi MSincccc, it appears so. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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Newspapers.com

Hi, Nikkimaria! It's been a while since we visited. I've been busy growing old. *lol*. I was hoping my access to newspapers.com would have been granted by now–it's been a few weeks–so if it has, I have not received anything confirming it. I'm thinking my only resources about Don Decker (90+ yrs old) will be in news sources, so please advise. As ever...Atsme 💬 📧 21:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Atsme, if you log into your account, are you able to access full text? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure to what you're referring. Is that a new feature? I don't have any issues at TWL relative to accessing my saved pages at TWL. This page is what inspired my question. Atsme 💬 📧 12:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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Artwork in biographies

Hey, Nikkimaria. There's a new editor, HejRonja, continuing the cartoon additions of Maitesob that you've been cleaning up after. I've indeffed HejRonja, as the name itself is promotional (compare this edit), and inquired about socking on Maitesob's page. I have a notion that account has probably been abandoned, though. Please let me know if you should come across any more apparent socks that need blocking. Bishonen | tålk 20:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

Will do, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

RV of new category

Hello,

I noticed that you reverted my edits adding some pages to Category:Misplaced Pages Manual of Style (related guidelines) and that you modified Template:Manual of Style. This was my goal - using WP:BRD to test the waters for consensus, because I had no opinions either way on the inclusion of any of those pages. I am going to go ahead and reflect your edits on Template:Style as well. If you have any other thoughts, please feel free to let me know!

Once again, thanks for helping out!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 06:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Lead sections

So there is now no guidance on how many paragraphs a lead section should be composed of? Rodericksilly (talk) 15:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Correct, it's been switched to a word count. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

So would this user's edit now be considered an acceptable lead layout? Because it looked like a complete mess to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Only_Fools_and_Horses&diff=prev&oldid=1183400464

Rodericksilly (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

You can argue that's a bad edit for other reasons - a pile of short stubby paragraphs is bad writing for reasons other than there being a maximum number of paragraphs allowed. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Rafael Nadal article length

Myself (and another editor) have reduced the length of this article substantially, but I do not find it helpful for you to keep placing a too long tag on it. How about suggesting ways to reduce the length of the page or make changes to it yourself. I agree there is still scope for it to be reduced further (there was already a consensus established for reduction), but I am not prepared to do any more reducing until I know what you think should be removed. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tennishistory1877, I appreciate that you've done some work there, but there is considerably more needed, and there is an existing suggestion by another editor on the talk page about how to approach that. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a comment on the career section being trimmed, with a reduction in week to week results, is that what you are referring to? Having studied the article, I am surprised how much trivia there is in it. Personally I could not care less what Rafa eats or what films he watches. Also, the sections on equipment sponsorships and endorsements seem far too long to me. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, although there are absolutely other opportunities as well. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Library Arcanum

Hey Nikkimaria

I applied for an access to Arcanum. You granted my application on 10 November 2024.

Until now I haven't received any code for the access. Last week I wrote Arcanum and they said that Misplaced Pages Library should provide me with a code.

Kind regards 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Malo95, you should have received an email - suggest checking your spam. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't find the mail. Have you send it to mail@malo95.ch? 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you receive a new notification? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I received a message at Misplaced Pages Library. But no E-Mail. Thank you. It works now. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Stockhausen

Please stop removing the opera from Oktophonie's "Related" section. Arguing that the information is contained in the opus number is like saying one can infer from A Clash of King's Dewey Decimal number that it is a sequel to A Game of Thrones. "1. ex 61" means absolutely nothing to most readers. The "Related" field in the musical composition infobox is specifically there for works like this. Trumpetrep (talk) 00:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that comparison makes a lot of sense, and the information is also provided above the image. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Your logic was that the Opus number implied the relationship. That's nonsense. The "Related" field is explicitly there to spell out the relationship.Trumpetrep (talk) 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

No, my logic is that you've already linked the piece from the Opus number, and therefore do not need to link it again; there is a broader problem with unnecessary repetition. The Related field doesn't spell out the relationship at all. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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How to protect a user page! Thank you. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X, you can request page protection here, but I'd suggest first having a read through the protection policy - you usually need to present a reason why you think the page needs to be protected according to that policy. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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tell me why Fandom is a unreliable source

You have been deleting my edits to the page "Wolfoo" because it has references from its wiki that is about the latter from Fandom(website). Why is it non-RS?Tell me. Spongebob796 (talk) 01:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Spongebob796, this page provides links to previous discussions, but to summarize, it's because it is a user-generated source. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, sorry mate. Spongebob796 (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems/2024 November 29

Hi there, it seems that you find a copyright problems in Jordan Stolz. I've rewrite it and please check it isn't any problem. Thanks.

Rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he plans to speed up and stay ahead in this season. He shares his feeling and desire to go more faster as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Stolz won four races of the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Stevencocoboy, no, that's not going to be sufficient - that specific excerpt is still closely paraphrased from the source for it, and these kinds of issues appear to be pervasive in the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

How should I wrote? Can you give me some opinion? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

In some cases, where opinions or intentions are being expressed, specific phrases like "plans to speed up" can be quoted, as long as they are appropriately marked as being direct quotes and a limited amount of quotation is used. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he intends speed up faster in this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Is this any problems? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes - "this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026" is still copied exactly and "intends speed up faster" is almost the same as "plans to speed up", with the addition of a grammar problem. Perhaps this is a language issue? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I'm not American and hopefully you can considerate. First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he will training his speed skating skills in this season to prepare his second Olympics. Is this any problems? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider contributing to a non-English Misplaced Pages and/or doing tasks that don't involve adding prose? Paraphrasing can be challenging for anyone, and a language barrier only exacerbates that. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

So does it any problem or any mistakes in my rewrite? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It is better in terms of paraphrasing, but it is also worse in terms of English language - thus my suggestion. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. How about second sentence rewrite: Stolz won four races in the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. Stevencocoboy (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

That has similar issues. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Rolling Sky moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Rolling Sky. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

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Is photo licensed?

Someone recently added this image: File:Frankie Grande Wicked Special Screening in NY.jpg to the Frankie Grande page. I clicked on the image, and it says that it is licensed under the creative commons 3.0 license, but I don't see any license at the source. Am I missing it? Thanks for any help. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Ssilvers, if you click on "...more" on the description under the video, there's a CC licensing statement there. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about edit to Johnstown Flood

Back in February you added {{in popular culture|date=February 2024}} to this article. Was wondering what struck you as being specifically or generally irrelevant in that section. I am going to start work on adding sources for individual entries... - Shearonink (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

There are many entries in that section, some of which don't appear to be notable, others of which appear to be minor mentions (such as the TMNT example). Nikkimaria (talk) 23:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. I'm going to work on that section & will be removing the maintenance template sometime soon. - Shearonink (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Mentoring for FAC

Hi, I'm contacting you because I noticed your username is listed at WP:FAM and I am interested in nominating a FAC but have never done so in the past. I'm contacting several people listed as FA mentors so if you are busy that is okay. The article is Neurocysticercosis, a parasitic brain disease. I have started a peer review for the article which can be found at Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Neurocysticercosis/archive1. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration! IntentionallyDense 21:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about edit to William Walker

Hi, I was wondering why you deleted 22 short paragraphs that my students added to this article. Thanks, Iwritehistory100 (talk) 03:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Iwritehistory100, biographies (even short ones) of that many other people are misplaced in an article that is meant to be a biography of Walker himself. I'm in the process of relocating the content and will ping you when that is done. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Iwritehistory100, now done; see List of participants in the Walker affair. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Iwritehistory100, this will be for your students. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Washington

Hi Nikkimaria, I've noticed your help edits on the George Washington page a week or two ago, and also your similar edits on James Madison before that. My thoughts were to ask if you might be interested in looking at the Washington page with the possibility of moving it forward for a promotion. The James Madison article from last year was promoted and I thought it might be nice to do something like this for Washington as well. The Washington page seems to average over 10K page count daily which appears to highlight its visibility to Misplaced Pages readers, and maybe you might think about doing it as a co-nomination. Any thoughts? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause, by promotion do you mean you'd like to nominate it for featured status? If so, I think the challenge will be ensuring that criterion 1c is met, given the sheer volume of sources out there. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the FA nomination would be next in order. Your comment of the cites is accurate since the article is approaching 500 references. I've done a semi-random citation check of checking one random citation for each group of 20 cites in the article, and the article cites seem to hold up. The main ones among the citations at this time seem to be from the Ron Chernow biography of Washington which appear with some prominence throughout the article, and the cites look pretty well done. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Are there other biographies that warrant additional prominence, in your view? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

From the general standpoint, following the presidents in order, then the James Adams article is currently at FA, while the Jefferson article is somewhat undeveloped. The Madison article was promoted to FA last year, if that is what you were mentioning. The Washington article seems to have gone through an early phase and a later phase of editing in Misplaced Pages's history, with the later phase incorporating a thorough reading of the Chernow biography from 2010 by a previous editor. The Washington article appears to have the highest daily page counts of these four president biographies. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear - other than Chernow, are there other biographies of Washington that you think should be given prominence in that article? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

The current construction of the Misplaced Pages Washington biography appears to have started with the 1988 biography written by John Flexner a number of years prior to the Chernow biography in 2010. Chernow I believe currently is the most expansive and competent biography of Washington in recent years. The short list of some of John Ferling's leading book titles contains: Ferling, John E. (1988). The First of Men: A Life of George Washington. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199752751. Setting the World Ablaze: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and the American Revolution. Oxford University Press. 2002. ISBN 978-0195134094. The Ascent of George Washington: The Hidden Political Genius of an American Icon. Bloomsbury Press. (2009) ISBN 978-1608191826.

The current Misplaced Pages article which presently includes extensive citations to the Chernow biography is comprehensive in the coverage it provides going to about 90K in prose, and might actually be trimmed somewhat in size. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed your previous 'condense' edit from the Madison page and was thinking maybe you could try it for the Washington page also, which you did here: . The wordy parts of the Washington article would benefit from this. My own plan is to start to target the "Commander in Chief" section which appears to be much too long at present, and it often looks like a duplication of the material already found on Misplaced Pages sibling pages for the 'Revolutionary War.' I'll try to start today. Regarding timing for the article upgrade, how does a co-nomination in about one week from now sound? ErnestKrause (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I think that's a bit tight for a turnaround. I can certainly do a condensing edit this week, but once the content is set there's some additional work to do for FA level - citation formatting, MOS edits, checking image licensing, etc. I'd say two to three weeks is probably more realistic. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

That sounds pretty good for 2-3 weeks. I've already taken a pass at abridging those subsections I mentioned above in the 'Commander in Chief' section of the Washington article, and the subsections in that section are now all down to 3 paragraphs or less in each subsection. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause, it looks like verifiability was raised as a concern in previous FACs for the article, so a bit more in-depth spotchecking will be warranted - do you have access to the Chernow biography to check that it supports the material that it should? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in possession of the Chernow. In addition to the semi-random check of the article which I previously mentioned to you above, given your current note on more in-depth spotchecking I've gone further now. My current check took the first 40 citations in the article and checked all of the Chernow citations one-by-one. The result is that for the first 40 citations, there were 15 Chernow citations which held up very well on a one-by-one basis. For example, the Chernow cite for "tuberculosis" for his brother Lawrence did verify, as did the Chernow cite for "small pox" for George himself. Many of the Chernow cites also are paired as double citations along with other Washington biographers such as Ferling and others. I'm happy to do more checks on this if you think it useful, though this initial batch of Chernow cites has been fairly meticulous as to giving accurate page cites. Separately, I've further trimmed the article and removed some more of the images; the prose length may be lower now by 10K to 15K than previously. Your 'condensing' from yesterday looks effective for the opening sections and I'll look for more of it to come in the remaining sections. I'm going to continue with more MOS checks for now, and let me know if I should do more with the Chernow spotchecking. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

That looks like a productive week-end of nice edits for you in the article. Very clever use of the postage stamp image for Long Island. Are there any other areas that might need some further research or proof-reading. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I was looking through some of the old reviews, and one major issue that came up other than verifiability and length was the use of dated and/or web sources over recent scholarship. There's a few dated sources remaining - do you want to take a look at potential replacements? Thinking particularly of Adams 1928 which should be a fairly straightforward swap. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Also Freedman, which appears to be juvenile literature - that was another type of sources that was raised as to be avoided. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed on Freedman, and his book is now switched out with my rewrites for the new source which I have added. Alter wording as needed. The Adams (1928) cite on Benedict Arnold seems innocent enough and appears accurate. Let me know if you want it changed out. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think accuracy is an issue, and I don't think we need to absolutely eliminate all older works, but I do think this particular one is worth replacing - it should be easy to do and not worth drawing extra scrutiny over.

Agreed. I'll try to have it switched out in the morning. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Adams 1928 removal was more of a clean-up than a revision since his material is covered by the Philbrick and Chernow cites already there. Let me know if there are more of these or if further research might be needed after your good trims from earlier. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Cite #30 in article appears to have stopped working correctly on this edit . Cite format listed in cite #30 itself for Coe in Bibliography. Could you look at it? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm noticing the Holiday Greetings you are receiving below, and its been 2 weeks of improvement edits to Washington. Any thoughts of whether it might be good timing for putting the article up for FAC either before or after holiday celebration in 4 days? ErnestKrause (talk) 21:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd suggest 27 December. In the interim, can you look through the old reviews and double-check that you think the previous objections have been satisfied? I think we're close but another pair of eyes wouldn't hurt. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good for 27 December. The cites seem to have largely been holding up, and I'll double check another ten of them today. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

P.s. I've just done all of "T to Z" in the book cites, and "Twohig, Dorothy (2001)" is coming back as an insecure link on my screen. Could you give it a look. The others are linking successfully mostly to Google Books. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

P.s. I've continued further this morning and just done all of "P to Z" in the book cites, and "Rasmussen, William M. S.; Tilton, Robert S. (1999). George Washington: The Man Behind the Myths. University Press of Virginia," is linking to a book about Hamilton by another author. I could just drop the link though I thought you might want to know. I'll try to do more cite link checks this evening. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

P.s. All the rest of the cite links for books did check out now from "A to Z". I'm not sure I'll be signing on much for the next day or two until Thursday and Friday. Good holidays. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

It looks like GMT is saying that it is 11-27-2024 and I'm thinking that I could put it on FAC either now or tomorrow night, unless you would like to do it at a different time. Article looks fairly stable. Any preferences? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Either is fine with me. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Nomination is in with your name added in the preface to the nomination as the co-nominator, and you can add your signature to it whenever you are ready. I'll try to sign in tomorrow morning if there are any comments. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

There seem to be new comment on the review page which I've started to address. Maybe you can pick up some of them, and I'll get to more of them tomorrow. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

More from Gog the Mild which I've started on. Maybe you can look at another of the subsections he looked at. I'll try to sign on tomorrow night again. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm discovering this book on the Grand Forage of 1778 which you introduced as a link last week here: . Your link is in the Valley Forge section. It looks like Gog the Mild has added some new comments today, which I'll start in on. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks ErnestKrause - for the lead I'd suggest focusing on Washington's role rather than the general context of the war. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Nice to see you are online at this hour. Since you have been handling most of the lede revisions maybe you would like to pick at this time on the edit requests from Gog the Mild? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and completed those comments from Gog the Mild, and I'll be signing off for now. I'll try to sing on tomorrow night again. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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More useful comments from Gog the Mild which I've gone through; one remains if you might confirm the cost inflation conversions which he mentions. Otherwise, I'm assuming all the other edit requests from all the other editors are up to date up to today. ErnestKrause (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Some added comments from Gog the Mild which I've gone through. The responses look up to date for the week-end. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Filippo Mazzei spam

Hello Nikkimaria. I noticed our friend who was trying to add extraneous information about Filippo Mazzei to the American Revolution article has been adding the similar content to related articles as well; for instance he added Mazzei to Founding Fathers of the United States and List of military leaders in the American Revolutionary War. And he loves using the phrase "promoter of liberty" to describe Mazzei; as far as I can tell Mazzei is the only person described as such on Misplaced Pages. I've tried to fix these issues but wanted to give you a heads up. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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What does rm-non RS mean?

Answer me. ZeroTwoAndHiroWW2 (talk) 05:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

It means the content was removed because it cited an unreliable source. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Deaths from cardiovascular disease

I have to agree with you that not all known causes of disease are defining. However I think the ending of our overly large tree of death by cause articles, which leads to Rome people being in a half smdozen or more death cats, it going to have to be done on a case by case basis. I think Containerizing the cardiovascular disease Category is a good first step. I think the other thing we need to do is take seriously the fact that place of death is not defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed on the latter, though I hold out hope on the former. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

To do the last we need to treat things like "deaths from infectious disease" as container categories all the way down. So that deaths from infectious diseases in California only has sub-categories and no direct articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Probably a better image, thanks (the one replaced was very good except for the pesky cloud). On your image {{Mount Rushmore}}, could that be the shadow and hair of Donald Trump nudging in to take his place to the right of Lincoln? I don't know if I've come to your talk page before, but certainly have joined you in many RM's thoughout the years. Happy holidays and best wishes for 2025. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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Cheers and best to you as well! Nikkimaria (talk) 00:13, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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Cheers, best wishes for the new year! Nikkimaria (talk) 16:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikidata "United States of America" vs "United States"

Nikkimaria -- you've participated in a previous discussion on Wikidata about this topic, which never reached consensus.

I invite you to review a current effort to reach consensus and to participate if you are interested: Wikidata "United States of America" vs "United States" Lorenmaxwell (talk) 10:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Cheers! Nikkimaria (talk) 14:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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story · music · places

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Good article reassessment for British Library

British Library has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

I saw you deleted my edit of Rand Brooks's article where I added his son Alexander died in 2016.

Is there a reason for it? The article mentioned his first wife being deceased

"He married Lois Laurel (d. 2017)"

and yet you got rid of my edit of his son's death. I'm a little confused so I'm wondering if there's a reason for it. RayKVega (talk) 02:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi RayKVega, the source you provided for that claim is generally considered unreliable. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hair

Thanks for your edits to the Lead at Hair (musical). Can you give the rest of the article a similar treatment? Happy New Year, and happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello Nikkimaria. Thanks for approving my Newspaper.com access request on the Misplaced Pages Library at the start of this month. Would you know how long Newspaper.com usually takes to next approve the request? Regards, starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Starship, yours was approved already - if you log into your Newspapers.com account you should have full access. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Nikkimaria. This is certainly a welcome surprise. I logged in and they list me as 'Subscriber'. I suppose it has indeed worked! Lucky I checked in with you or I would just continue to wait. starship.paint (talk / cont) 15:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Cheers. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mary Ball Washington article & years-living

I have a couple of thoughts about your recent edits removing birth years & death years citing MOS:BIRTHDATE in the Mary Ball Washington article...

• Many times in colonial American families, duplicate names are repeated from generation to generation and sometimes even repeated within a generation with especially male cousins and various male relatives being given the same name. The only way to keep them straight is to have the birth years & death years given alongside the names. In the Mary Ball Washington article, "Joseph Ball" is a name that is repeated between father and son and so it is helpful to readers to give the birth year & death year along with the name, for instance Joseph Ball(1649–1711) is the father and Joseph Ball (1689–1760) is the son.
• The MOS states "birth and death details"...are the actual years of birth & of death the details meant in this part of the MOS? If these years appear in the sources that are cited, it seems to me that the particular information should also appear in the articles (the months & days, for instance, would seem to be a possible trivial detail.) The actual length of people's lives who are members of notable figures' families - even if these people do not have their own Misplaced Pages article - can be important for our readership. I think including the birth year/death year should be retained.
  • Btw when I dug through the changing statements for MOS:Birthdate, I came upon this edit. The editor who added the initial statement seems to mostly have been referring to the subject of the article, that Misplaced Pages didn't need to repeat the subject's birth year & death year within the article text (especially because that information already appears in the lead section), it doesn't really seem to refer to other people's years-living information within an article. A pattern I noticed for this article is that even if the 2 Joseph Balls' years-lving is restored...well, when the years-living are removed, at least in this article, it reveals a possible iniquity regarding the familial women's information. - Shearonink (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Shearonink, as far as I'm aware, previous discussions around the issue have come to the consensus that years for family members should generally be excluded (example; I recall a more recent discussion but can't find it at the moment). This seems consistent with WP:NOTCATALOG as well. In the context of this article, in the locations where the dates were included for the two Josephs, they are already being introduced as her father and half-brother, which provides the necessary context. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The linked discussion you mention above was concerned with what "special contextual relevance" meant and there was no resolution. I think the birth year/death year is not trivial, is useful information for our readers, and such information does serve to differentiate, in an immediately clear way, historical people in an article who have the same name. WP:NOTACATALOG wouldn't seem to be all that relevant here since it is only concerned with Misplaced Pages Lists. We will have to agree to disagree on the matter of birth year/death year being included in articles. People's lifespans - when they are born and when they died - seems rather important to me. - Shearonink (talk) 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Input on query at ACLU article

Hiya. Your input would be appreciated if you have any thoughts on query at Talk:American_Civil_Liberties_Union#"History"_section_vs_History_of_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union_.._too_much_overlap? Noleander (talk) 16:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Penina Moise

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Please consider archiving much of your User talk page

Your User talk page is so long that it may present challenges for some readers' devices. The current rule-of-thumb is to archive when a Talk page exceeds 75 KB and this page is nearing 400 KB. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Specifying borough as place of birth / death in infobox

See Template talk:Infobox person#Specifying birth/death place within a city for a discussion I started to address your removal of a borough of New York City as place of birth and death in the infobox for Alan Berkman. I pinged you there, but wanted to be sure that you had been properly notified of the discussion. Alansohn (talk) 14:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Newspapers.com

You approved my application for access to Newspapers.com on Jan. 5, 2025, but it doesn't yet show up in "My Collections". Am I just impatient, or is there a problem? Thanks. Peter Flass (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Peter Flass, it has to be processed by Newspapers.com - check again in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Peter Flass (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

ACLU History - Any text deleted?

Hi. I'm starting to work on ACLU History section, as mentioned in talk page at Talk:American_Civil_Liberties_Union#"History"_section_vs_History_of_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union_.._too_much_overlap?

Just to confirm: In April 2024, when you split-off the History section into new article History_of_the_American_Civil_Liberties_Union all the text (from the orig History section) was retained (in the new article) correct? Knowing that would be helpful as I go forward in the main ACLU article. Thanks 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC) Noleander (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Noleander, almost but not quite - here are the differences. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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