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Attack semantics

Following Nihonjoe's closure link in Talk:2017_Westminster_attack#Use_of_the_noun_"attack"_to_describe_the_event, I was reading Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive_56#Use_of_the_word_"attack"_in_various_article_titles and noticed you mentioned July 11:

it's only ever articles covering domestic Islamic terrorism that brings about these sorts of accusations of bias. Note the articles above. Never domestic far right, Marxist, or foreign Islamic terrorism

Subsequently, I was involved in an August discussion about an issue which falls outside of domestic Islamic terrorism at Talk:2017_Charlottesville_attack#Requested_move_12_August_2017.

Do you know how I might go about re-opening this village pump discussion? Regardless of whatever bias User:Alfred Nemours had (apparently a sockpuppet) I think this is a good discussion to have.

I'd always assumed WP:BLPCRIME protections were actually enforced and that any article titled "attack" already had a criminal conviction, but beginning with Fields' case where I happened to read about an alleged attack still undergoing a trial process, I began to realize that this and then other cases mentioned at vehicle-ramming attack have this problem of deferring to WP:COMMONNAME to call something an "attack" instead of deferring to BLP:CRIME and using neutral vocabulary to describe it as a suspected crime prior to a criminal conviction.

So far I was nominating for moves individually for recent cases where I notice people are still alive and still unconvicted, but now I'm wondering if we could just have a collective discussion like this on it somewhere. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Stoicism

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Boudica

Thanks for removing Gargoyles (TV series) from the list of depictions in the Boudica article. She is not actually depicted in the series. A "gargoyle beast" (gargoyles with animal intelligence and dog-like bodies) in the series is simply named after her. The character profile is here: https://www.gargwiki.net/Boudicca

Nobody noticed that a series partially set in the 10th and 11th century AD is unlikely to feature 1st-century AD characters? Dimadick (talk) 19:19, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow

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Devil May Cry: 3142

For some reason I can't find it anywhere. I only got one scan about Dante and Lucia and some interviews about Bingo Morihashi and the staff in general. What I think something about the franchise is lacking is creation information about Vergil's alterego Nelo Angelo and what was Capcom's attempt to use him in DMC4SE. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Somehow, a Youtube vid had a download link for the entire interviews so I managed to get more creation info, most notably for the new created article Lady (Devil May Cry).Tintor2 (talk) 16:45, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

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A few things on recent Famitsu refs you're adding

First off, thanks for adding the sources because for the most part it's an improvement. I wanted to ask a couple things though.

1. Can you please format the sources better? You'll see on most of these GA articles, all the dates are formatted in the same way, make your your date fields are formatted the same way. Also make sure the website= field is formatted correctly too. In many of the GA articles I wrote, I change that to just be the name of the website, like "IGN, or "GameSpot", so Famitsu should follow in kind and be "Famitsu", not "www.famitsu.com". Just make sure the style matches in the article you're editing.
2. Many times the release date is already sourced, so you don't need to add the famitsu reference.
3. You really don't need to add the phrase "Famitsu reviewed and gave a score of..." to the reception section. In fact this is usually worse, as all the other comments read more smoothly and are about content. Ideally we want to know what they said, and include those comments. The infobox really shouldn't be used as a score aggregator, but in the interest to gather views from Japan, I think it's OK for now.

TarkusAB 12:00, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Ninja Gaiden (NES video game)

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Thanks for your work on gathering sources for Japanese retro games. Much appreciated! Here is a kitten.

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The King of Fighters '99

I noticed you reorganized the article The King of Fighters '99 and wanted to know for a reason. I don't wanna argue or anything but it just seemed weird to put the sales in the release section of game considering how the manual of style or FA tends to organize sales. Also, do you think the Battle de Paradise information could be moved to gameplay since it's a console gameplay similar to the edit and challenge modes from XI. Since this is a GAN, I want to know your opinion about it. Nevertheless, thanks for the editing. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 23:32, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for adding the Famitsu review. If possible, could you add it to the section in prose? I don't understand Japanese.Tintor2 (talk) 23:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, my thinking is that the release section should be the release history of the game, including sales, advertisements. Critical reception is kind of different, and is more what critics thought about the series, which is subjective. This is just my thinking. If the FA guidelines are differnet, go with that.

Famitsu has an utterly baffling system where they list the review score and what issue it came in, but only list excerpts from the written review. I think it's the first sentence in every paragraph. Thus, what you get from the web-page is less than helpful, and more confusing than anything. So typically, pages just include the famitsu scores. Harizotoh9 (talk) 10:05, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I'll remove the Famitsu score since there is no material to include in the article.Tintor2 (talk) 15:58, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Made a brief rearrange in regards to how the game can be connected to another KOF game. By the way, once this article is reviewed, can you check the review alongside? I don't consider myself an expert. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 23:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Most articles include as many Japanese review scores as they can for completeness, as we should aim to get as much of an international perspective, and to balance between retrospective and contemporary reviews. But most of the time we just have the numbers, but even with just the score it still has a lot of value. If you check, most GA or FA articles will include the Famitsu review scores. Examples: Parasite_Eve_(video_game), Super Mario World, Clock_Tower_(1995_video_game), Sweet_Home_(video_game), etc.

Later on, we should try to expand to include the actual content of the reviews. People have just started scanning old Weekly Famitsu pages, and we have maybe 20 of them scanned.

As for checking the review, I'm no expert and I'm pretty hazy on a lot of the details of GA or FA guidelines. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:26, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, the Nintendo reviews deal with a more retrospective point of view. Sadly, we don't know too much about the Famitsu. Since I'm from South America, I'll see if I can find a Spanish review.Tintor2 (talk) 02:50, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Cosmo Warrior Zero

Hello Dear Harizotoh9! Can you make an article about video game Cosmo Warrior Zero in PlayStation? Thank you! —-178.66.103.183 (talk) 19:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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I actually own the Nostalgic Famicom Perfect Guide, so I was able to just read the book directly, so those sections weren't really translation. Also, I'm uncertain about how to format refs for some of the books. Nostalgic Perfect Guide is all English loan words spelled out in Japanese, so it's easy to translate. For the other JP books, they are proper Japanese words, so I just left them written in Japanese. Harizotoh9 (talk) 18:53, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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T. Ryan Gregory

Did you mean to restore the notability template here? In your edit summary you mentioned third-party sources, but I didn't remove the {{BLP primary sources}} tag, just the notability one. Are you arguing that an h-index of 40 and all the rest doesn't mean WP:PROF? Guettarda (talk) 21:02, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Nothing about WP:PROF says that having a certain h-index means they automatically get an article. The only reference on the page to h-index in fact is to be cautious with it. If an academic has made significant contributions to their field, then surely third party sources should have mentioned it right? Criteria #1 ends with "as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.". Which has not been done so far. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:44, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Well obviously nothing about h-index demonstrates anything on its own, but then, I never said "h-index alone", either in my edit summary or my comment here.

If an academic has made significant contributions to their field, then surely third party sources should have mentioned it right? Um, no - people don't write about notable academics - instead, they cite their work. That's the whole point of having the subject-specific guideline - so that we can cover serious topics, instead of just writing about celebrities and sport stars. So that we cover people who make actual, important contributions, even if they don't catch the attention of gossip columnists. Or did you miss the whole Donna Strickland issue? Guettarda (talk) 22:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Please keep the image I uploaded

Hello Harold, I'm your Friendly Neighborhood SpiderKid. Please keep the Archie Comics Mega Man it would mean a lot to me. If you have another article in mind to use this image please, use it for that if you don't. Please keep it on the Mega Man (character) article. Until then please find use for it. Thanks. SWING OUT! TheSpiderKid (talk) 17:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

How to use Internet Archive Bot?

Hi! Sorry if i'm bothering you but i need help with this question. How i can use this #IABot to archive links? Thanks! Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Go to a page's history, where it lists several external tools as well. Go to "Fix Dead Links". It'll ask you to login. Then hit analyze links. The rest is automated. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:36, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Harizotoh9: Thanks man! This will help me a lot in my future endeavors. I appreciate it :) Roberth Martinez (talk) 04:29, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey, sorry if i'm bothering you again but can you archive the links of this article? Thanks! https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Val_d%27Isère_Skiing_and_Snowboarding&action=history Roberth Martinez (talk) 02:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Edits on Drgon Ball Super: Broly

Cheers for editing Dragon Ball Super: Broly. Could you explain why there is need for archived citation? I believe those are outdated and useless. I might be wrong as I am still a rookie. Thanks in advance.
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It doesn't really matter. It's just two button presses. At some point you should probably archive the urls for a page since eventually (in years) they will die. Might as well do it now rather than later. But as I said it really doesn't matter. Harizotoh9 (talk) 23:11, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Providence(religious movement)

Hi Harizotoh,

I sent this message to Ravensfire and wanted to send the same to you. I would like to work in good faith on this article, if you do not have the time then I would prefer to work with those who do have time.

I find it troubling that information that is relevant and reliably sourced (i.e. perjury conviction; major media companies admitting to doctoring videos of Jung; and other) are not being added to the page because in the opinion of a few editors that it paints the subject in a more positive light.

Additionally, several sources are currently being used with information that was later retracted by media companies, as well as sources that are sensational/not reliable.

I understand the subject matter sensitive, but that is why I believe it is important to get it right. How do you propose we address these concerns on the page? My thought is that we should delete all controversial or improperly sourced material until information can be properly vetted.

I would like to work with you in good faith on these issues, any help would be much appreciated.

If not, perhaps there are other admins that would be able to assist.

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Five-Percent Nation

Well, I removed the Myths and realities section, let's see what happens. I've had problems with the editor elsewhere. Doug Weller talk 14:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

That's been on my to-do list for a while, I just put it off. On the talk page, zero people supported keeping that section. It's pure apologetics for the religion. It's like we had a section on a mormon page that was just mormon apologetics. And the editor never bothers to discuss it. But on the other hand, I was the only one bothering to actually change the page. I think a lot of the other editors were apathetic. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

He's been editing another article. See WP:RSN#Is Teresa Washington a reliable source for Iyami Aje. I agree with your comments on my talk page. Doug Weller talk 18:19, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Japanese games

Hi there!  :) I remembered the work you put into Boxer's Road, and I see that you seem to have some knowledge of Japanese games in general. You may be aware that I am working my way through Next Generation magazine, which I am sure you are aware seems to have covered Japanese games more than any other US publication did. So it is not uncommon for me to find games that appear to have few or no reviews in other English sources. I have created more than a few such articles, and I was wondering if you could take a look at them? Another problem I have encountered is that it is not always easy to tell if an article already exists for the game under another name (although in several cases I was able to create a redirect instead of starting a new article when I found this to be the case) so some of them may need to be merged into a duplicate article for the same game. However, I do prefer not to merge articles about games in a series to the series page if we can find enough sources to build the article. Would you mind taking a look to see what you can do with these? Thanks! BOZ (talk) 15:59, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I started by looking at the first four issues of Next Gen, and will go through the rest before long:

• 1): The Masked Rider: Kamen Rider ZO
• 2): Real Pinball, Ultraman (video game), Super Afterburner, Super Space Harrier
• 3): Ghost Hunter (video game)
• 4): Tama: Adventurous Ball in Giddy Labyrinth

@BOZ: That's a maybe. I expanded the Boxer Road page since I'm such a fan of New Corp, and especially their game The Adventure of Little Ralph. Now, if sufficient information can't be found, then it might be better to redirect to the series page, or a list or something. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:22, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

OK, gotcha! No worries. :) BOZ (talk) 12:08, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Sahaja Yoga

Don't start an edit war. The reference sections you are trying to delete are pre existing and have probably been created over time. You can't just delete a referenced section without prior discussion. Freelion (talk) 05:10, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

You're the one edit warring not me. So far there's at least two users opposing you. Reading over the reply at project Medicine, where they explain why it probably doesn't pass: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Sahaja_Yoga. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:19, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

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Sources in regards to Metal Black's origins as Darius III

Hey! I really want to improve Taito's Metal Black article but there's one huge roadblock for me in terms of its origins; Its relation with Darius. Metal Black was intended to be the third entry, I know that, but the sources is what i'm looking the most, including Senba Takahatsu's website, which cotainted said info. Can you help me in this regard? Roberth Martinez (talk) 10:07, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

No, I don't. For this kind of info, you'll have to check Japanese mags sources. Have you checked Gamest? Since it's an early 90's arcade game, they might have covered it. There's a Gamest Fansite that catalogues all the issues and what was covered in each one. According to this, the game was covered in volumes 66, 67, 68, and 97. The Saturn version was covered in 197.

For the other source, check 90's Saturn mags. The only other source I can think of is Gameside and their Shooting Gameside series. Have you heard of them? I think they were a Japanese gaming magazine, and after the magazine closed they released compilation series of based on genre, with like 12 volumes of "Shooting Gamside" which focused on "stg" or shmups. Harizotoh9 (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Collaboration

Would you like to collaborate and bring an article on an obscure Japanese game to GA status? Cotton: Fantastic Night Dreams might be a good choice since it's getting re-released and will get some attention. I think there might be enough sources to get it there. I'm open to suggestions though. What do you think? TarkusAB 19:54, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: Just to be upfront, my weaknesses are: 1. Can't read Japanese. 2. My prose and grammar are kind of weak. 3. A bit vague on MOS.

For Cotton, that game could work, since I think it's at that critical mass of sources, both contemporary and retrospective. I'm actually not a big STG fan myself, but it's an influential game and I like the retro cutsy stuff. A few other Japan only games that I think are at a critical mass of sources:

• Adventure of Little Ralph, PS, 2D platformer. Only five in-depth sources, but there might be enough for GA. The dev section relies on interviews from GSLA, which means "mystery box sources". It might make sense to wait until more JP mags are scanned so we can figure out where those interviews are from.
• Gley Lancer - STG with anime cutscenes, JP only. I added a bunch of reviews. Actually a bland game, and I agree with the low scored reviews.
• Assault Suit Leynos 2 - JP 2D mecha platformer. Found 9 reviews so far. Can't find anything modern on it.
• Front Mission Series: Gun Hazard - JP only, but some reviews. Super Play has a 5 page review absolutely trashing the game as a lame Assault Suits Valken rip-off. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, I'm not particularly interested in working on those other articles, so Cotton it is? You may have weaknesses, but you are really good at tracking down sources and adding obscure information to the articles. We can support each other with our strengths. I can read and translate Japanese (much faster than most but still somewhat slow), my prose and grammar are pretty good, and I'm very familiar with MOS. If you can compile all the sources, either by adding them to the article or listing others on the talk page, I can comb through them all and write and format most of the article. TarkusAB 20:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

I've decided I'm not pursuing this anymore, FYI. TarkusAB 17:06, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

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Secret of Evermore

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That's excellent news, thank you. Harizotoh9 (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Review table scores

I've been holding myself back on saying something for a while, but I feel this problem is growing and something needs to be said.

The video game review table is supposed to be supplemental to the text. It is not supposed to be a collection of every review score known. As the template guideline reads: "Every single-site review source should be used within the reception section. The reviews table supports the text. It is not to replicate the function of external review aggregators." This guideline is based on the "Misplaced Pages is not..." guideline Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of information.

I've noticed a lot of your edits have been adding scores to these tables, without any supplemental text. While it's not so much a problem on underdeveloped articles, it is a concern on high quality articles that are written better, like Good/Featured articles. I think such efforts, while amicable, would be better spent on a website like Sega Retro or NEC Retro. I'm going to go back soon and start to undo some of these changes that were done on those high quality articles. TarkusAB 12:07, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: I'll explain some of my thought process.

The obvious solution is to incorporate the reviews into the text of the body, which I plan on doing just not right away. Some of the articles I've added to are kind of lacking in reviews, and more reviews would be needed to expand the article, especially if they are to be brought to FA status. Also, Misplaced Pages is meant to represent a WP:WORLDWIDE viewpoint, and it is not meant to be just Americans. Typically a lot of pages are sampling the same 2-4 Anglo-American writers over and over again.

Retro reviewers represent one viewpoint, but not the only viewpoint, since they're often big fans of these kinds of games. Contemporary reviews are more varied, and sometimes quite critical. Ideally equal amount to Japanese, import, and retrospective reviews would be paid. We don't have many Japanese sources, so those can be added later, but we do have Euro and Latin reviews now.

There's also the issue of notability. As written, the WP:GNG are quite strict, but in practice, it's a lot more lenient, but we should follow the letter of the rules rather than the more lenient defacto practices. As written, Clock Tower (1995 video game) might not have enough sources to justify its own article, and relies a bit too heavily on primary sources. I was totally shocked at how little I found, and I would have assumed N Life would have reviewed it. As the rules are written, that probably means it should be merged into the greater Clock Tower series article. The solution to that would be to find more sources, which I've added to the talk page.

Articles also should be future proofed. There's no telling if, say 50 years from now, some editors question why there's so many pages on niche Japanese games that rely on relatively few sources. You could just as easily argue that articles on games never released outside of Japan constitutes WP:INDISCRIMINATE information. No rules dictate that every game should get a page.

Also, HG101 is deemed a very situation source, where only Kurt Katala's articles are deemed reliable. There's a general sloppiness to HG101's articles, with lots of little errors. Just for examples, their Cocoron article claims that Akira Kitamura (director of MM1-2) also directed Little Samson. I emailed Kurt about that, and he defended it initially and pointed to fan wikis which list him as having worked on the game. That made me really question that site's quality standards. Their page on Deep Fear also gets major plot points wrong too. These are just two examples, but I could go on.

I'd rather not use such a questionable source. Clock Tower would be the perfect example where HG101 can be phased out entirely without much disruption to the page. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:54, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Alright I think you went a bit off the rails from what my original message was getting to.

Anyways, agree on some of your sentiments, disagree on others. However, when we're talking about GA/FA type stuff (and that stuff only), I don't agree with your methods of score collecting. So it goes. TarkusAB 03:25, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Systema

I actually do believe it IS a 100% scam, but it exists and gets coverage and appears in works of fiction too. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 08:07, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Btw, there is just no corresponding Russian Misplaced Pages article anymore, but I think they just decided to delete it perhaps based on Russian-language sources against it. Here, I've got rather various "systemas" like (that one fat midget dude, and he had his own ridiculous article too: ) redirected into a single andvvery short article. SNAAAAKE!! (talk) 08:13, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

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