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*'''Oppose''' FIFA and most reliable sources call him Oganesian.--] (]) 18:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' FIFA and most reliable sources call him Oganesian.--] (]) 18:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. We go by usage, not by someone's opinion of what is ''correct''. ] (]) 07:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC) *'''Oppose'''. We go by usage, not by someone's opinion of what is ''correct''. ] (]) 07:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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Khoren speaks using the ] of where he was born. Hovhannisyan is the right spelling for that dialect. Oganesian is simply wrong. --] (]) 23:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC) Khoren speaks using the ] of where he was born. Hovhannisyan is the right spelling for that dialect. Oganesian is simply wrong. --] (]) 23:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
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::::FIFA is just one in many. The got it right. And you have got to wonder how many of the smaller amount of websites spelling his name Oganesian were misled by Misplaced Pages. It's time to set things right. --] (]) 18:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC) ::::FIFA is just one in many. The got it right. And you have got to wonder how many of the smaller amount of websites spelling his name Oganesian were misled by Misplaced Pages. It's time to set things right. --] (]) 18:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::You are completely right of course, 'Oganesyan' and 'Oganesian' are ridiculously far apart... ]] 18:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC) :::::You are completely right of course, 'Oganesyan' and 'Oganesian' are ridiculously far apart... ]] 18:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' By the way, it's not about the dialect he speaks. Oganesyan is the Russified version of Hovhannisyan. As international organizations (such as FIFA, UEFA) translated names from Russian, not Armenian, his last name was misspelled. Also, similar patters can be seen for many Armenian politicians, such as the incumbent president ], whose last name is often spelled Sarkisyan (influenced by Russian Саркисян). --] ] 18:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC) *'''Support''' By the way, it's not about the dialect he speaks. Oganesyan is the Russified version of Hovhannisyan. As international organizations (such as FIFA, UEFA) translated names from Russian, not Armenian, his last name was misspelled. Also, similar patters can be seen for many Armenian politicians, such as the incumbent president ], whose last name is often spelled Sarkisyan (influenced by Russian Саркисян). --] ] 18:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
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== Club in 1992 and 1993 ==

In 1992 (and 1993) it seemed he was part of the squad of and not Kilikia Yereven. For example he seemed to be playing in the for Homenetmen.

The sentence "The following year, Hovhannisyan returned to his homeland and joined Armenian club Kilikia Yerevan. While he played for Kilikia, the club won the first ever Armenian Premier League in 1992." seems to make no sense too because in ] the title was shared between Homenetmen and Shirak.

It is also contradicted with the part in his article for his managerial career - "In Armenian, the club name was abbreviated HMNM, or Homenetmen. Hovhannisyan, already a veteran of football, continued his playing career. In the newly formed club's first season, it became the 1992 Armenian Premier League champion, which was the first ever Armenian Premier League, and the finalist of the 1992 Armenian Cup, also the first of its kind." - which seems he was a player manager in that and the 1993 season before moving to Lebanon and later returning to the now as Pyunik renamed Homenetmen as coach with some further matches as a player in 1995/96. --] (]) 06:26, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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– He is of the Eastern dialect, so this version is correct. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 22:42, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Khoren speaks using the Yerevan dialect of where he was born. Hovhannisyan is the right spelling for that dialect. Oganesian is simply wrong. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 23:37, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

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Khoren Hovhannisyan Google search: 40,400 results
Khoren Oganesian Google search: 29,300 results
You're not very good at this Admin thing. I respectfully suggest you resign. Stop stalking my contributions (in bad faith, I might add) too. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 17:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
How amusing - and I suggest you look at FIFA and NFT (among others) for the COMMONNAME of this player in English. GiantSnowman 17:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
First of all NFT spells it Oganesyan. Second of all what happened to databases being evil?
FIFA is just one in many. The UEFA got it right. And you have got to wonder how many of the smaller amount of websites spelling his name Oganesian were misled by Misplaced Pages. It's time to set things right. --TheShadowCrow (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
You are completely right of course, 'Oganesyan' and 'Oganesian' are ridiculously far apart... GiantSnowman 18:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Support By the way, it's not about the dialect he speaks. Oganesyan is the Russified version of Hovhannisyan. As international organizations (such as FIFA, UEFA) translated names from Russian, not Armenian, his last name was misspelled. Also, similar patters can be seen for many Armenian politicians, such as the incumbent president Serzh Sargsyan, whose last name is often spelled Sarkisyan (influenced by Russian Саркисян). --Երևանցի 18:22, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
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Club in 1992 and 1993

In 1992 (and 1993) it seemed he was part of the squad of Homenetmen Yerevan and not Kilikia Yereven. For example he seemed to be playing in the cup final for Homenetmen.

The sentence "The following year, Hovhannisyan returned to his homeland and joined Armenian club Kilikia Yerevan. While he played for Kilikia, the club won the first ever Armenian Premier League in 1992." seems to make no sense too because in 1992 the title was shared between Homenetmen and Shirak.

It is also contradicted with the part in his article for his managerial career - "In Armenian, the club name was abbreviated HMNM, or Homenetmen. Hovhannisyan, already a veteran of football, continued his playing career. In the newly formed club's first season, it became the 1992 Armenian Premier League champion, which was the first ever Armenian Premier League, and the finalist of the 1992 Armenian Cup, also the first of its kind." - which seems he was a player manager in that and the 1993 season before moving to Lebanon and later returning to the now as Pyunik renamed Homenetmen as coach with some further matches as a player in 1995/96. --MatthiasTheSoccerFan (talk) 06:26, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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