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*Giano and Bishonen rolled into one? I took and uploaded the photo of the genuine Swedish salmiak "salt sill" fish in ]. And then I ate the sucker. Aaahh, saltlakrits. ] &#124; ] 17:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC).
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You may remember ], my ] as ]. ] was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with ] mentioned in story and music. --] (]) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
:Beautiful, ]. ] &#124; ] 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
:: Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my ] story today. -] (]) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
:: ] is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his . - ] was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page ''now'' because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --] (]) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
:: Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world ]. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted ] in 2016. --] (]) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)


==User:151.124.106.64==
I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit ] - ] 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, ], your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — ''not'' in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? ] &#124; ] 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
::Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson ] - ] 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


== Macrobiotic Diet ==
Now tell me about this, because I was wondering about it a while. ] (]) 15:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.
**I think Drmies was saying you were an expert in the fields of architecture (like the great ]) and Swedish candy (like me, though only in the sense that I introduced the delicious salt sill to the article ]). I was more trying to amuse Drmies, who is probably aware how fast friends Giano and I are. You know, implying that you are really our combined sock. Not so funny when you spell it out, I suppose. :-) Well, so do you have a proper deep Swedish understanding of salmiak? Only then will I acknowledge your candy expertise. (Furthermore, how long does it take to make a hafspaj? What's hafs about it?) ] &#124; ] 16:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC).
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*Never mind items of clothing worn on the feet. I am in the dark on this... Dark. Yes I do have a proper deep Swedish understanding of salmiak. Do you have a proper deep understanding of lets say poppy seeds or polkagris? Hafs is a sort of Swedish mess. Hafsig, och paj. ] (]) 11:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
**I know what hafs means, I'm Swedish (how else would I have the true deep appreciation of salmiak). I think I've even heard terms like hafspaj and hafskaka before. What I meant to ask was: how quick and hafsig does the baking process have to be for the result to qualify as a hafspaj? And in what sense are ''you'' a hafspaj? The mind boggles. I mean, I'm admittedly not a bishounen, but still. (Poppy seeds? There's an unusual criterion for Swedishness. Do you mean on a loaf of ? I appreciate them.) ] &#124; ] 14:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC).
Probably very quick, somewhat like ]. Actually this Hafspaj word was an accidental alfapet word, meaning nothing, when placing words besides each other, and strange words may emerge. Me, Hafspaj, just for fun. ] is the Swedish name for the game Scrabble. Never tasted a hafspaj. Bergis looks good, thought I newer taster any.Where can you buy them? Any place in Lund? Now wait a minute, you can speak Swedish?? ] (]) 15:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
: I suppose I can. On a good day. On the rare occasions I visit the Swedish Misplaced Pages, I even do. But I'm not crazy about getting translation requests (have done too much translating for a living), so don't tell anybody! ] &#124; ] 16:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC).
:::::Why am I 'The Great User Giano' getting tacky little anonymous messages saying that my name has been mentioned here; it's like having Big Brother listening at the keyhole. I don't know how you Nordics can eat that disgusting fish; I should think the cold has played havoc with your taste buds and digestive systems. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 18:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::: It's better than that, Excellency; if you tick the appropriate box in 'Preferences', you can also get email notifications from Big Brother whenever somebody mentions you. (Winston Smith had it easy.)
:::::: Of even greater concern though, Chère, is that Fastily's rampant bot has tagged your ] as suitable for moving to Commons (after which it gets an Ncd template and soon after is CSD F8 deleted from here). Did you want to drop a {{tl|Keep local}} template on there? --] (]) 18:26, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::If so, you better hurry, because ] is up for deletion. <small>Not that it has a chance of actually getting deleted, but why let the facts get in teh way of tasty drama?</small> ]&nbsp;]] 18:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Well it's a bloody nuisance if we can't have a chat about another editor without him being automatically notified. We shall have to start being like those irritating, church-going women who say: "''if you can't say anything nice about a person, it's better to say nothing at all''" which is probably very true, but does make life exceedingly dull - even in a place like Misplaced Pages where some irksome little tit is always earwigging and anxious to run off to ANI saying Giano (or whoever) has been uncivil. Now, I had better go and plead to save keep local template - those morons on Commons can't be trusted with an image. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 18:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".
::::::::::It's actually not so bad, Giano: you only get notified if someone makes a Wikilink to your user page, so it's going to be pretty uncommon unless someone is actually ''trying'' to get your attention. Simply typing out the user name won't alert you. ]&nbsp;]] 18:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::What good news that is; I shall remember not to link. Now, I only have irksome little tits to worry about. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 18:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
*I've tagged the ] with <nowiki>{{keep local}}</nowiki>. It's a very valuable addition the ] article, and precious to me because it's the only one (?) of my uploads that I actually, and effortfully, photographed myself. Giano, I suspect you're falling into Automatic Mediterranean Prejudice Mode here without even clicking on my links. This isn't ] or ] or indeed ], it's delicious liquorice candy. Mmmmm… ] &#124; ] 19:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC).
** Effortfully, eh? That's two words today that I've tripped across that had me reaching for a dictionary (the other being the verb "inactivate," which I was sure was a typo for "deactivate"). Nice. :-) --] (]) 20:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:::What can I say, my English vocabulary is a '']'', strongly nourished by Victorian novels. Oh, a redlink? It's German for fruit of reading. Good word! "Effortfully" (along with Lesefrucht) may well be one of my ten most frequently used words. ] &#124; ] 20:15, 20 May 2013 (UTC).


The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,
Swedish fish? ] (]) 15:22, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
:]. ] &#124; ] 15:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC).
::: Yum. ] (]) 22:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.
Wow, I go away for a few months and everything has changed! No more orange bar? Just a little red blob? Does it work if I mention myself with the little bracket things? ] I guess I'll find out soon! <sub>BTW, Bish, there's a new Baby Tex on the earth. Mama and baby are fine. Just thought you'd want to know.</sub> See ya around! ] (]) 21:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.
:I did want to know, congratulations, that's great, ]! Mentioning yourself is no good, I think! Does the new ] have a ] account yet? Don't look like it! ] &#124; ] 21:21, 22 May 2013 (UTC).


Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::Hee hee! Last time I had an addition to the family, I created a sock (Baby Tex) and he got indef-blocked! I see my new little one caused a kerfuffle without me even creating a sock for him. It's another boy, by the way. The wife is freaking out about having to live in the country in Texas with 3 boys (me being the 3rd boy)! Heh. Thanks for all the well wishes from the Bishpack! ] (]) 15:17, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Yeah, poor unfortunate Recent Changes patroller (or so I suppose), stumbling unawares into organized wikicrime territory! Quite a relief to see they got away with a mere ]. Lots of boys, great… I hope db's latest ] <s>gets</s> <u>creates</u> an account soon, because Pod is dying to shower him with fishapod plushies. Getting any sleep at night? ] &#124; ] 15:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC).
::::A Bishapod plushie really would be adorable. <span style="white-space:nowrap; text-shadow:gray 5px 3px 1px;">— ] <small>(] ] ])</small></span> 00:19, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Big strong admins need plushies too! ] '']'' 10:51, 24 May 2013 (UTC).


:Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
:Your suggestion above for the new baby's account is now blue. Send Pod over with the plushies!!! Not much sleep, no. Little booger likes to cry! ] (]) 14:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
:If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
::Oh noes, you created it? And now we wait for him to be blocked in a cloud of plushies! Shall I alert ]? ] &#124; ] 19:16, 24 May 2013 (UTC).
:They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. ] (]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
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::You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does '''' mean in your opinion? Or ''''? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and ] you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki> on your talkpage. ] &#124; ] 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
:::Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
:::Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
:::And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
:::"''It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024''"
:::They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
:::Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
:::I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
:::I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. ]
:::(]) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
::::If you really think so, {{u|Not a similar account name}}, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the ] noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the {{tq|'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'}}. ] &#124; ] 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
:::::@] or even ] ] ] 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. ] ] 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good ] that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. ] (]) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


== Editing warring user ==
My favorite legal-decision of the week, cited in the ''New&nbsp;York Times'' ''Sunday&nbsp;Magazine'': {{Quote| Some might look at the silky wording of IP Nav's letter to Renaissance and see a close question; this court, however, sees an unmistakable and intentional warning shot across the bow. The actual message is pellucid to any patent litigator, so that IP Nav's use of apophasis is disingenuous and unavailing. Remember Mark Antony's funeral oration in ''Julius Caesar''? That's how an experienced business executive or lawyer would view IP Nav's assertions that "we are focused on addressing these issues without the need for costly and protracted litigation" and "our client's preferred approach is to conclude licensing discussions without resorting to litigation. We hope you share this objective." ''The implied "or else!" '''oozes''' from this letter '''like lye from lutefisk'''''. To paraphrase an observation attributed to Anton Chekhov, you don't hang a gun over the mantle in Act I unless someone is going to fire it in Act III.|}}


{{no ping|Iimitlessyou}} has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on ], to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.
== Editnotice... ==


* is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
...is up; you can see it if you try to edit the page, and you can preview/change it if you like at ]. Cheers! ]&nbsp;]] 17:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
* they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"
:Thank you, it's beautiful. 1st of July sounds just right. ] &#124; ] 17:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC).


At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: ]
== A barnstar for you! ==


*They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
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:I also would like to thank you Bishonen for the help with the de Forest article. I seems to be in a more stable condition right now. Hopefully people will not add the material until further information is known. If ever, in my opinion the entire thing sounds weird to add. Amyway, Thanks.--] (]) 14:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you very much, guys, and thanks for your help. The article is currently protectively swaddled by PC2 + the rather tight-lipped edit notice, so there's not much strolling idjits can do. By the time we remove those protections, the genealogical interest (oh, gee... how can people even care?) will hopefully have died down. Mind you, I'm sorry to have to have the pending changes, because I'm sure there are many good sensible users out there who would like to be able to update relevant details without the hassle. But I realised it had to be when <ahem, never mind who> popped right back up with more reverting and fatuous comments about "harmless fun facts". Anybody who is now inconvenienced by PC can thank that user for it, because it was the last straw for me. ] &#124; ] 16:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC).
:::You could have just easily participated in finding consensual phrasing instead of spending much more of your and our time & energy "Streisanding" this trifle. --] (]) 15:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
::::Yes, but unfortunately I was just too hysterical. You're the one who's been wasting everybody's time by asking the same questions over and over again after they have been amply clarified. Frankly, Trofobi, I'd stop going on about it if I were you, and give people a chance to forget the role you played. You don't seem to realise how lucky you were not to be blocked. ] &#124; ] 16:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC).
:::::You're massively exaggerating. --] (]) 17:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.
*On behalf of ], I would also like to extend the thanks and appreciation to Bishonen for the hard work and dedication in protecting the article. It is acts like this that are a shining example of a true Wikipedian at their best. ]♦] 16:20, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
**Thanks Wes, ''you'''re massively exaggerating.:-)
::@Trofobi: please stop editwarring on my page to alter my post, or you may get blocked. Not by me in this instance, but many admins watch this page. And talk about Streisanding… sheesh. I tactfully refrained from mentioning your name above, but you had to come here and publicise your fatuousness where 476 talkpage stalkers can see it. Fame. ] &#124; ] 19:09, 24 May 2013 (UTC).
:::Bishonen, your patience with this user is to be admired. But at some point enough is enough, and that goes for both users that is rude towards you. --] (]) 22:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
::::All admins are used to rudeness, it comes with the territory, and isn't really to be wondered at when users find themselves unexpectedly stymied by the use or threat of admin tools. It's human. I find it harder to have patience with an admin who sabotages me. :-( ] &#124; ] 22:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC).
:::::Just wanted to send you this here. Happy towel day. --] (]) 09:10, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::I have never witnessed a user who begs to be blocked like you Trofobi. Do you really want Bishonen to grant you your wish? Or are you just simply rude.--] (]) 12:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::It is intended as de-escalation effort - if you, Bishonen, conceive this as rude then please accept my apology and remove or reword it. --] (]) 18:55, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::::No, no. Thanks for the cute cat, I took it in a friendly way. I was just about to answer BabbaQ myself — I think he must have misunderstood. If the cat is some sort of trolling or sarcasm, it's too deeply buried for me. :-) ] &#124; ] 19:15, 25 May 2013 (UTC).


I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the ], and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.
== Emmelie de Forest ==


] (]) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Then fully protect it. Your choices are unprotected, semi-protection, PC/1, PC/1 with semi-protection, and full protection. Not PC/2. I would expect you to know that, and I assumed that you had simply mismoused instead of consciously defying consensus and using PC/2 on an article.&mdash;](]) 21:19, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
:What consensus would that be? I used my admin discretion and used a protection alternative that's available to admins via a drop-down menu. I wonder why it is? Could it be because of the way the ] is going? What's the consensus at the moment, or hadn't you noticed? You wade into a difficult situation at a sensitive BLP without even bothering with a note on the talkpage, or a note to me, and apparently without any research. If you have any sense you'll revert yourself. ] &#124; ] 21:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC).
::I soon think it is time to do something radical concerning the protection of this article. The way users are treating you Bishonen and the article is simply not OK.--] (]) 21:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


:Note I've taken this to the ] where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. ] (]) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
::There's been no discussion ever on the use of PC/2 that ended in a consensus to use it. Hell, I don't dislike it: I think it actually stands a chance of being useful, while PC/1 is little more than a petty annoyance. If you think the article needs more protection, I'll upgrade the protection to full. I'm not pulling your chain when I said that I thought this was a simple mistake on your part: the log comment of "''The contest is currently ongoing. I think we won't have any more drive-by IP edits today.''" seemed compatible with semi-protection or PC/1. &mdash;](]) 22:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


::Sorry, {{u|Zenomonoz}}, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
:::Huh, what? I said that when I ''semiprotected the article for three hours'' on 18 May, just time enough for the ongoing contest to end, you know? Click to see my comment when I actually configured Pending Changes on 21 May: ''"Violations of the biographies of living persons policy"'' was what I wrote as the reason that time. Did you really look that carelessly before you pushed the button? You didn't look at the talkpage at all, I'm sure, or you could hardly have missed that my PC2 was a deliberate action. I discussed it with WesleyMouse there, as I did on this page of mine, above. I won't bother to dig out the diffs of any of that for you, because you've made it clear that you're too busy to read any of this stuff, including the protection history.
:::No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. ] (]) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
:::I can't make head or tail of your suggestion of Pending Changes 1 combined with semiprotection, by the way. Semi prevents IPs and new users from editing. PC1 means that when they edit anyway, they have to be reviewed…? Really… ?
:::Anybody who reverts your revert of my protection will of course be "wheel-warring". That's one of the reasons it's worth taking a few minutes to think (and to fucking read) before you put yourself at the "second mover advantage." Fullprotect if you like, but please don't suppose or state that you're doing it to accommodate me. It's a very drastic move, and I'm against it. ] &#124; ] 22:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC).
::::Anyone can feel free to change the protection state to unprotected, semi-protection, PC/1, PC/1 with semi-protection, or full protection. I won't raise a peep. I noticed the article in the list of PC/2 articles and looked at the protection log. Want me to say I fucked up? Fine, I fucked up. But the path out of here is ''not'' to reinstate PC/2. It isn't one of the choices available to either of us.&mdash;](]) 22:55, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


== WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India ==
:::::Yes, you fucked up and you're fucking up again. You simply repeat your "PC/1 with semi-protection" with no concern for my comment on that combination? OK, apparently you're also too busy to read my posts. I guess I'm done. Do return to your more important tasks. ] &#124; ] 23:04, 24 May 2013 (UTC).
::::::Didn't notice that I had included it when I cut/paste from my earlier task. You're right that PC/2 with semi-protection is a meaningful combination, but PC/1 is not. Doesn't get us out of this position, though. Like I said, I won't object to you changing the protection level to anything that doesn't include PC/2.&mdash;](]) 23:09, 24 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi Bish,
:::::::Yeah, I've got it, feel free to stop saying it. Having slept on it, I guess I have a little more. I'm sorry it's so dreadfully long, you'd better just read every third line.


Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at ].
:::::::Have you ever thought of taking an admin break? I did last year, and it was useful to be reminded of how the other half live. You might find it refreshing too. When you applied for adminship, you probably weren't thinking "I want to be an admin because I want to rush around enforcing "rules" I don't even believe in and speedread other people's uninteresting yapping", did you? Or "I want to steamroll other admins and get them thinking about handing in ''their'' tools"? There's nothing like that in any of your RFAs.


So, the latest update in the case involves the Court ] until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by {{U|Valereee}}, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".
:::::::I performed an admin action after thinking about it for half a day, and you set your judgment above mine, after about 30 seconds of consideration, by the look of it. When I asked, above, what consensus you were talking about, you prevaricated like some politician by saying "There's been no discussion ever on the use of PC/2 that ended in a consensus to use it." That's hardly the point, if you're going to enforce anti-PC2 as a "rule" and to accuse me of "consciously defying consensus" in using it. The point is instead, has there ever been a discussion on the use of PC/2 that ended in a consensus to ''not'' use it? Not that I know of. It's enabled, it's usable. As you're aware, there's an ongoing RFC about it, which currently stands at 92 Support and 50 Oppose. You fucked up, on your own admission and partly because you misread the log, and now you're seemingly too stiff-necked to un-fuck up. Is that because you're too good to instate the dread PC/2 (because of a non-existent "rule" against it)? You should have been too good to remove it, certainly in the high-handed way you did. Not too late to do the right thing, you know. ] &#124; ] 12:52, 25 May 2013 (UTC).


Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?
== Princess Marcella Borghese ==


I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! ] (]) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen!
The page you edited was modified again by ExcuseMeNYC. Can you do something about it please?? Thank you!! ] (]) 00:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


:I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps ''The Hindu'' will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. ] (]) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:I keep editing this page and will continue to edit it as long as incorrect and irrelevant information is posted. This is a page for a person, not a company. Who owns Borghese cosmetics is not relevant to Marcella's history as she is no longer living or affiliated with the company. It is a separate entity and is owned by Georgette Mosbacher. Several attempts were made to post this information with references cited to prove Georgette is the owner and they were removed. But since this page is NOT for the Borghese cosmetics company, it is not relevant anyway. Please stop referencing the current management and ownership if Borghese cosmetics. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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::May I ask if you're related to the IPs 24.215.249.118 and 24.215.248.86, who edited the article to add the Georgette Mosbacher-related material? ] &#124; ] 13:10, 26 May 2013 (UTC).
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:::'''Addendum:''' I've been digging around in the article history, but it's extremely difficult to find the references you speak of that purportedly show Mosbacher owns Borghese Cosmetics, since the person who added them (you?) didn't use any edit summaries either. :-( Please post those references right here so I can take stock of them. ] &#124; ] 15:22, 26 May 2013 (UTC).


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::::Again, this is NOT a company page. It is for a person. The only reason Revson and Revlon are relevant is because it is how she created her line and it was when she was alive, therefore its relevant to her history. Who owns the company now does not need to be mentioned on her page as she is deceased and no longer involved with this separate entity. All that needs to be known is that she started a line and was involved with it until her death. If anything, you can even remove that the line is now known as simply Borghese and based in NYC and simply keep that she was involved with the line "named after her" until her death. I will not be adding the Georgette Mosbacher references as they are not relevant to Marcella's history and you people keep removing them EVEN with numerous references cited, which is rather childish and not consistent with this websites protocols. ] (]) 22:41, 26 May 2013 (UTC)


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== Cosmetics ==
Have you worked out what is going on on that page? I haven’t, except that the recent ] edits must be driven by the litigation that’s going on between the current owner of the brand and the reality TV person who is a scion of the storied family. But I have no idea why one of them is trying to include things (which fail to interest me) in the article or why the other is trying to exclude them. Tedious business. ] (]) 03:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
:Well, I sort of know what's going on, but it's strange that the small differences between one sentence and another on the page can be important to anybody. As you say, tedious. I'm hoping the SPA has vented and shouted enough and will be happy to have the last word, so I'm refraining from arguing with them further. The state of the article doesn't seem horrible now. ] &#124; ] 05:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC).
::Oops, I didn't see the latest developments. That does it, I'm blocking them. ] &#124; ] 05:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC).


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:::I can see you love to ban people who disagree with your personal opinion. How is that being a good administrator or editor? I have NO agenda regarding the Marcella Borghese page other than to not have it contain information that cannot be proven or that is inaccurate. Every point I have made as been valid and you are obviously trying to bully me into submission. You need to stop making this about your own point of view and follow the guidelines of your own website. ] (]) 07:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
::::If there are two subjects I'm utterly uninterested in, they're cosmetics companies and noble houses. I have no personal opinion about either of them. I have blocked you indefinitely for disrupting the article and importing battles from the outside world into Misplaced Pages. Take them to the appropriate venues. That's not here. ] &#124; ] 08:20, 30 May 2013 (UTC).


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:I may have been a little seduced by the opportunity for a shit hot edit summary. :-) Anyway I agree with John; I tend to remove it pretty much on sight, though I suppose it can be useful on some (rare) occasions. Copernicus is a good illustration of how uncritically it's spammed, I presume by a bot looking for bios and the bare fact of the subject being dead. There are four paragraphs already in the article about Copernicus's funerary adventures, as of course you're aware, Piotrus. I've seen a documentary about them. Don't need no <s>fucking</s> <u>crappy</u> find-a-grave. P.S. C-class, really? Well, I only engaged with the external links. You got plans for it? ] &#124; ] 10:26, 31 May 2013 (UTC).
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Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,
http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/English_Wikipedia_readership_survey_2013 --] (] · ] · ]) 02:53, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah.. I suppose. I've already typed out two different comments, and scrapped them both because I found some cogent post on the page which made me change my mind. Too much to read... ! :-( But I'll try in a day or two to read through the whole and finally finish a comment. God.. it's easier to contribute to these things while they're still young! ] &#124; ] 17:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC).
::Don't feel obliged. I'm just wondering if you think it's a good idea in principle. --] (] · ] · ]) 17:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)


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:The content is in fact different, ], so I guess AfD is the better fit; ] was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for ] also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
::Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages ( and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
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== A barnstar for you! ==
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How do I do an article on Cockalier, a ] when there is a redirect of the word ] to Mongrel article? see here redirect page . Shall I do an article of the redirect or make an aticle and redirect the redirect (which is kind of silly). Or? ... If you got me.
] (]) 09:35, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
:] is a fully protected redirect. If you take a look at the history, you'll see it was an article (a stub) in 2007, which stated that the breed is recognised by the American Canine Hybrid Club. ] turned it into a redirect and protected it, because "{{tq|ACHC is a pay-for-inclusion registry and there is thus no notability."}} So you can't turn it into an article. ''If'' you can convince Dragonfly that there is something better than ACHC that does establish notability, I'm sure s/he'll remove the protection and you'll be free to turn it into an article. Or you can convince me, but that's not as good, since dog notability isn't within my expertise. (If it goes woof and wags its tail it's notable, isn't it? Pettable, at least.) ] &#124; ] 14:54, 2 June 2013 (UTC).
Oh, well there are quite a few articles on crossbreeds on Wiki, see List of dog crossbreeds. This might be convicing...
http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/cockalier.htm and also this. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/americancaninehybridclub.htm. It seems to me they do recogognise Cockalier. And remember ].
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*(] doesn't appear on ].) Sorry, no, those aren't that convincing to me. If a crossbreed is "recognised" by a pay-for-inclusion registry, that sounds to me a bit like saying a ] recognises me as a PhD because I bought a PhD diploma from them. But then as I said I don't know a lot about it. You'd better take this to either Dragonfly, or ]. ] &#124; ] 16:14, 2 June 2013 (UTC).
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*Exactly, as you say, the ] doesn't appear on the ]. But many other crossbreeds in the same situation do. That was the idea. But the whole things doesn't sounds like it is worth the effort if it has to be so complicated. One crossbreed more or less... might have better things to do than chase cockaliers. ] (]) 20:41, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
: Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
: Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
: Give my regards to 'zilla. ] (]) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, ]. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied ] or they lied ], or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked {{u|Girth Summit}}, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
::: Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. ] (]) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. ] &#124; ] 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Welcome in pocket, little ]! ] ] ] 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::: What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of ], and if I'm not then it's a lie. ] (]) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Pint-size James! ] ] ] 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).


:::It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. ]] 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
*Right, why not edit ] instead! Cool crossbreed. ] &#124; ] 23:06, 2 June 2013 (UTC). Or ]. ] &#124; ] 23:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC).
**Shall I start turning people into stone? :) ] (]) 08:27, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


== Assistance appreciated == == ''Scheisst'' ==


''ist wie Scheisst macht''. ] (]) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
As you've noticed, this editor's contributions have required a lot of cleaning up . I encountered them at ], and added suggestions and warnings to their talk page, which are, as is the user's prerogative, deleted without acknowledgment or discussion. There's a tendency to steamroll ahead without listening to more experienced editors. I have already begun to discuss this with Acroterian, and perhaps a word from another administrator will help. Thank you, ] (]) 11:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
:Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? ] &#124; ] 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:Yeah. When I saw their "move" of ] I assumed they were a very inexperienced editor, but I now see they've been here for a while. Refusal to listen to advice will often have the same effect as newness, of course. :-( I have sort of had a word already, at ] and ], so I won't go to their usertalk yet awhile. Posting on article talk also has the advantage that the addressee doesn't get to delete it. ] &#124; ] 12:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC).
::All valid observations, Bishonen. Thank you, ] (]) 19:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
:::I do respect more experienced editors. And would like to learn form them. I would like to here-itself apologize if some of my edits / reverts have been found inappropriate. I have started following the advice given at Ayurveda article and will discuss on talk page before making edits at important sections or when the material might have differences of opinions. Thanks. --] (]) 07:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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::::Hello Abhijeet Safai, and thanks. Perhaps you noticed my note about "moving" articles (=changing their names) by copy-pasting, which creates problems. Please use the "move" tab at the top of the article, per instructions at ]. But it may not in any case be the best idea to move an article without discussion, when the history and the existing redirect show that it has already travelled back and forth between the different titles a few times. You're very welcome to ask me here if you have any questions. ] &#124; ] 09:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC).
Thanks Bishonen. I do not remember where but I remember that I had read somewhere that the articles are named by the real name of the person and not with devi, baba etc. I had seen the article of ] which redirects to ].


== NOTHERE user ==
I am aware that this cannot be the rationalization of my edits and I agree that I should have read talk pages in detail before cut pasting the content. Thanks. --] (]) 10:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user {{noping|Powerinhand}}. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - , . He also created which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.
:Cool, but please note that you should never do it by copypasting, no matter if it's an excellent move that everybody agrees with. Always do it by using the "move" tab. If the move tab doesn't work, that's a sign you need to ask an admin to do the move, and this you do on the page ]. Feel free to take the Nirmal Baba/Nirmaljeet Singh Narula issue there. (The move tab won't in fact work for non-admin editors now, since the redirect has been edited.) ] &#124; ] 11:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC).
:: It is really great to see your response. I shall do that as time permits. Thanks. --] (]) 11:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)


It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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:To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . ] (]) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Thank you, and useful to have that link here. Please click on it, dear talkpage stalkers! Go vote! ] &#124; ] 11:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC).
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:::Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. ] (]) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
''' Hi'''! Is this a possible reference for citation needed to Swedish cuisine's kåldolmar +...http://sverigesradio.se/sida/avsnitt/123552?programid=3052 ???
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:::::Thanks @]. Will do. ] (]) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:Ah, I think you want to reference the Charles XII history behind the dish, right? Your link is OK, I suppose, but 's a better one from Svenska Dagbladet 2012. Newer and with fuller historical background. ] &#124; ] 13:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC).
:::::Thank you very much, my little ]. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. ] &#124; ] 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
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::: Time travel? ] &#124; ] 17:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC).
:::: Stolen wholescale from {{diff2|558599878|this edit}}, but forgot to cut off the timestamp and replace with <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>. Famously Technical 01:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


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Hi, I am not really involved in the dispute but I have noticed that an article that I have contributed alot too has been the subject of a dispute for a few days. It is a user named Geebee that runs a pro-Jodi website of somekind that has heavily edited the article, and it seems that alot of Pro-Jodi Arias stuff has been inserted. The user is showing the telling characteristics of someone who wants to "win the discussions" as evident on the users extensive use of the talk page. Similar to the user who wanted to edit ]s article. I am also wondering if Geebee has broken the 3RR, anywhow If you could take a look at it when you find time it would be appreciated. regards,--] (]) 14:38, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
:I've noticed the problem whereof you speak, but sorry, I can't face diving in there. , and the way the user in question bloats up the history with myriad tiny edits is the last straw. You'll have to ask a younger and stronger admin. <small> (hint hint hint try ] hint hint hint)</small> Or take it to… arghhh… ]. I'm sorry to have to give you that counsel of desperation, BabbaQ, I know dispute resolution with POV-pushers is a waste of time. But then POV-pushers are altogether favoured by the way Misplaced Pages works, as eloquently expressed by ] : {{tq|"our current system gives filibuster power to anyone with an Internet connection and an obsessive pet belief"}}. ] &#124; ] 15:38, 7 June 2013 (UTC).
::I totally understand you my friend. I am also tired of the Jodi Arias situation, and wouldnt have bothered you with it if not another user had sent me a PM last night and asked me for advice. I have created an article about a more happy event that might give you some "happy energy" ;), ].--] (]) 16:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Very nice, looks really good. Did you see that we have an admittedly not very good piccy of the pair together ]? It's already been mined for ], and could suitably be chopped in half, removing Victoria and Unknown Gentleman, for use on your new article, if you like (and if you know how, because I don't). ] &#124; ] 18:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC).
:::Thanks a lot, Bishzilla. Let's see who brings me up next for admin abuse. A day's worth of protection for Trayvon Martin almost got me desysopped. For some real fireworks of the completely unencyclopedic kind, see ], one of whose editors kindly inquired if I was . ] (]) 16:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
:::: <small>Well... Aren't you? :p ] ] (]) 17:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)</small>
*Bish, seriously for a minute (RAWR!), what are we going to do with ]? At best, it's a poorly verified ]. ] (]) 17:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


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:: Ik gebruik alle bronnen door elkaar, als ze elkaar tegenspreken behandel ik beide… ok… "I use all brown door elks"… aha… "when the elks use sign language"… yeah, this is tricky. Terrible article, I suggest AfD. AfD is overrun by defenders of terrible articles. Is anything actually really deleted, ever? I created ] in 2005 or whenever it was, to make a point. It's been AfD'd at least twice but there's no getting rid of the sucker. In the latest AfD, I voted "speedy delete" and explained that I'd created it as an irresponsible joke. No soap, it remains an ornament to the project. ] &#124; ] 18:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC).
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:::When they contradict each other, he uses both. Apparently. Those two "rewarded" articles are wonderful. ] (]) 19:05, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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::::The elks contradict each other? Worse and worse. Yeah, the second AfD is certainly a reminder of the light, carefree days. You see even NYB kidding around in there? In other news, I'm helping you stub that school article. :-) Very hardworking admin, me! ] &#124; ] 19:47, 7 June 2013 (UTC).
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== Many thanks ==


Thank you very much Bish. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 23:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC) * Did 'shonen do something useful for once? ]&thinsp;] 06:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
:A pleasure. When I arrived at the page in question with every intention of blocking, you had already posted a warning there. Everybody works faster than me. Man, edit warring on Requests for page protection has to be pretty unusual. I just sent you an e-mail. (P.S. Do you really hate Korea? :-)) ] &#124; ] 23:37, 7 June 2013 (UTC).
::Thanks for the email. I replied. As far as posting the warning faster than you, I think you were so fast at stopping this disruption that you traveled back in time and caught me giving the warning. At least that's how I see it. :) As far as the claim by the sock, I guess to love Korea you must dump as much unsourced crap as you can in any K-pop article you visit. Somehow i don't see this as such a great idea. Take care Bish. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 00:14, 8 June 2013 (UTC)


== IPV6 addresses == == ] ==


The IPv6 user has moved over to Blacklight power: since your page protection of ], ] (]) 23:57, 7 June 2013 (UTC) Look familiar? ] (]) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
:OK, thanks. I'm really tired of playing block-a-mole with them, so I'll just semi that one as well. Though I don't doubt that there are other related articles... sigh. I'm going to bed now, so you'd better alert some other admin if you see the IP hopper soon again somewhere else. Incidentally, RexxS told me it's easy to block the whole range for the IPV6 addresses — but no, I go sleeeeeeep. ] &#124; ] 00:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC).
::In this case, the rangeblock would be a rather wide range (/40), so this would not be an easy block to make without possible collateral damage.--] ] 00:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you, Jasper. This stuff is really a morass to me. Hello, ]? Ping ping? Got any comment? ] &#124; ] 12:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC).
::::I was going to ask about an IP6 range block, but I don't understand IP6 that well. — ] ] 19:37, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::Welcome to the club. I don't understand range blocks, period. ] &#124; ] 19:43, 8 June 2013 (UTC).
::::::I have a guide at ] and ].--] ] 19:56, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::: {{Ec}}{{U|Bishonen|Bish}}, reading up on ] might help you understand how ranges and range-blocks work. ] (]) 19:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::: I'm sorry I wasn't around, Chère; I was in Lincoln this weekend, retiring from trusteeship of WMUK. And now I'm going to take a break - do look after the place while I'm away. --] (]) 12:47, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::: Don't worry, Famously! ] '']'' ] 17:09, 9 June 2013 (UTC).
== June 2013 ==


:]. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, ] (]) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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::Thanks, ]. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title ]. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. ] &#124; ] 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
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:::Hello @] I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks ] (]) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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::::No, {{u|Idrisskunle}}, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in ] — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also . Thank you. ] &#124; ] 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
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::::: @] thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
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:I already fixed the template I broke, you slow old bot. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC).
::LMAO! You get that bot told straight Bishonen. It is rather slow lately and annoying. Anyone thought of booting the bot up the cyber-ass to speed it up? While I'm here, I was wondering if I may run something past you, as I've had a bit of a brainwave idea what I'm not 100% sure if it would be good for a particular article that I am working avidly to improve. TB me when you have a spare moment. Thanks, ]♦] 20:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Mouse, I would, but I notice that it's ] you're working on, and, well the only subject I'm worse equipped to deal with than the ] and its fan club would be anything to do with sports. Sorry. ] &#124; ] 21:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC).
:::::Oh its the main ] article that I was on about, not the Video Contest ones (I have those kinda sorted out). On the main OGAE one I have listed the members but only by bulletpoints. I was thinking of changing them into prose format to describe each of the respective branches (now that I've found the websites for all 39 of them, and would be able to write something based off their "about us" sections). Would that be better than having them listed in their current status? ]♦] 21:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::Putting lists into prose is always an attractive idea in general; lists are boring. Mind you, prosifying a bullet list of 39 sounds very ambitious. But I'd say go for it. ] &#124; ] 21:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC).
:::'Tis a sad day when interacting with BracketBot is actually more fulfilling and productive than interacting with 95% of the active Misplaced Pages community. ''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 20:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::::That's as may be, MastCell, but do you know what's the ''most'' fulfilling and… uh… well, exhilarating, thing you can do on Misplaced Pages? Removing content. There's nothing like it. Check it out: ] was 14,000 characters a few hours ago, and is now 3,500, and I feel full of endorphins. Btw I can imagine removing stuff from medical articles feels even better. ] &#124; ] 21:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC).


I tried.
== help ==
Hi my dear friend.


Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Could you please make me understood of this text. would you mind to paraphrase that. thanks a million.
:Not much you can do with a pure troll, ]. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? ] &#124; ] 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
please use positive verb in the last sentence.
::Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
<< The study indicated that greater boredom in year seven predicted significantly less satisfaction at year 16. In addition, greater satisfaction in year seven did not significantly predict less boredom in year 16. >> ] (]) 12:45, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:Could you please give me a link to where the text is to be found, whether it's on Misplaced Pages or elsewhere? I'll probably understand it better if I have context for it. ] &#124; ] 14:28, 11 June 2013 (UTC).


== Block evading ==
::hi, here you can see this. ] (]) 05:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address ] ] (]) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::OK, cool, that helps. I'd put it like this: {{tq|"The study showed that the participants who were bored in year seven were significantly less likely than the other participants to be satisfied with their marriage in year 16. It also showed that if participants were satisfied in year seven, it didn't make any difference to how bored they felt in year 16."}} Does that make sense? I don't blame you for having trouble with it. They've put two sentences about two different results together in one paragraph, and the second result is even a bit of a surprise in relation to the first. But the key, I suppose, is that the researchers have treated dissatisfaction and boredom as completely different things. ] &#124; ] 16:24, 12 June 2013 (UTC).


:] seems to be related to the ip ] (]) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Thank dear friend. you are really a great man. you kindly put into enough time to answer me. You made me freshened up by your reply. I got at new information about this psychological issue and you pointed new keys out to sort out my misunderstanding. I have never pulled back to consult with you because of your informative knowledge and I am impatiently holding on for coming across new problem in English Translation in order to come back to your wisdom. This answer was a good opportunity for me to practice my new learnt phrasal verbs. thanks good wishes. ] (]) 07:51, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::That's great, feel free to come back with new problems. (Note: you couldn't know, but I'm a great lady, not a great man. {{smiley}}) ] &#124; ] 09:56, 13 June 2013 (UTC). :Blocked both. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
:PS, please take any further information to ANI, , rather than to my page. ] &#124; ] 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).


== Email ==
:::::::Hi again. sorry lady. In ] (]) 99% are male and you seldom find a lady!!! that is a reality not kidding. so i thought you were a boy! ] (]) 10:19, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
==Temporary Full protection ==
Hi! Please take a look into the article ]. Some editors are continuously removing the contents just to win over ]. The reason of the AfD is that the contents of the article ] largely overlaps with ] and is also a POV fork. The prior to the Afd should be restored and should remain fully protected till the AfD closes.--] <sup> ]</sup> 14:16, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think so, really. I understand your frustration, but moving on to an individual admin's talkpage while you still have a live request at ] smacks of ]. Also it's not the kind of subject I have any expertise in, so I wouldn't take action in any case. Sorry. (If an admin declines the request at RFPP, you can then try to discuss with that admin on their user talk, if you like.) ] &#124; ] 14:26, 11 June 2013 (UTC).


== Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of ] ==
==Hi==
I think you missunderstood my intention. The comment on Rich Farmbrough was mine, I just added a change to my own comment. Under Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines I am allowed to change my own comment. Next time look at history, my user name pops up there, unless you track it by IP... I thank you in advance for understanding, if not, we will talk somewhere else...--] (]) 17:56, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::Oh, good. Not sure what you mean by "track it by IP"; I tracked it by the page history. That particular comment was added by an IP , and you edited it 12 hours later, logged in as Mishae. An explanation in the edit summary is helpful under those circumstances. Well, edit summaries altogether are helpful, and signatures. If you sign with four tildes, you will get both a signature and a datestamp, as here on my page; it you sign with five, as I think you may have done on Rich's page, you just get the date. ] &#124; ] 18:37, 11 June 2013 (UTC).
:::Yep, thats exactly what I did, I signed with 5 yesterday, and then wanted to add something in a rush. I'm sorry for any missunderstanding...--] (]) 19:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi Bishonen, {{noping|CharlesWain}} has violated 3RR in the article on ] in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Talk:Croton Aqueduct ==


:They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - ] (]) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
What do you make of the ] situation? Curb Chain and the Deutsche Telecom IP(s) were adamant about being two different persons in the discussion there; one of IPs even notified Curb Chain on his talk page . ] will probably refuse to connect them because the disruption wasn't extraordinary. But the coincidences in their ''other'' editing interests: at ] (a recurring editing interest of Curb Chain, who edited it around that time too ) and also flags in general (a more minor interest of Curb Chain) are weird. There are a bunch of other people who agree with Curb Chain on the spacing issue, so maybe it is someone else despite these other coincidences... What do you think? (This is also an ongoing issue: the IPs keep doing that, the most recent edit of that kind from the that Deutsche Telecom range was yesterday . It has also been going on for a long time
:Why did you use <nowiki>{{noping|}}</nowiki> template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as ] violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this edit. ] (]) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, ], as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making ''more'' than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template here was not appropriate. ] &#124; ] 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
. An ideal use of a dynamic IP, especially one from a huge range, is apparently enforcing one's aesthetic standards on random articles, without contributing anything more substantial to them... I wonder if this is one of those editors banned for using unapproved bots. It's hard to imagine how they find so many articles containing HTML comments in such a short time span by regular editing...) ] (]) 07:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Noted. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== Hmmmm ==
:Nobody asked me to comment here, but I will anyways, since I feel at the very least that I've said more than enuff at AN/I (a 1st time forum for me that I'm still no where near comfortable being at BTW). As our Romanian IP address editor has said already noted there at AN/I recently "Curb Chain has probably been editing for a substantial amount of time before his current account. His invocation of 'wp:nsr' and 'flagcruft' in the first few edits points in that direction", there's really never has been any doubt in my mind that the Curb Chain (CC) account wasn't this editor's first Misplaced Pages account. Is it an attempt at making a "clean start", a sockpuppet, a meatpuppet, a "band hand" account, etc.? I really have no idea. I do have (a very limited but) enuff experience in with dealing with sockpuppets to know that the Checkuser's (for some reason that I don't understand fully) really can't connect IP address users to full Misplaced Pages accounts. It's also not unusual for sockpuppets to make talk page posts on each other's talk pages to try & throw people off. Is CC really from Germany, is CC using a dynamic IP address, is CC trying to hide his identity somehow, etc.? Again, I really have no idea. Those two German IP addresses from the above-mentioned aquedeuct talk page have made . What is also apparent to me at this late date though is that CC has basically been editing Misplaced Pages for quite some time without really a clue of how to do so constructively. ] (]) 10:04, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar).
::I really think this needs to go on ]. I haven't heard that they can't connect IPs to name accounts — surely they can. The Checkusers may not be very interested in the evidence that Curb Chain wasn't a new account, though; it's persuasive, but they simply don't much care if it wasn't new when it started. (They can't check that far back, anyway.) What they care about is abusive use of socks, such as pretending to be more than one person in a discussion to give the impression of more support for a position than actually exists. 86.121.18.17, if that's what happened on the talkpage you mention, I'd definitely take it to WP:SPI. That is precisely abusive sockpuppeting, and you have a lot of points and diffs showing same unusual interests, etc. I see you provide some more on ANI. (Don't talk to me about Bishzilla, she'm about to explode with conceit.)
Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ ] (]) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
::@Guy: you did fine on ANI. If it hadn't been for you, nothing would have happened. Now maybe something will. But I totally agree that you don't need to comment further there. Admins are both busy and lazy; the longer a thread is, the less likely they are to read it. ] &#124; ] 11:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC).
:Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by ] into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. ] &#124; ] 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
::: Well, as an IP editor it turns out that I can't start a SPI page. My time is limited, but the DT IPs must know that what they are doing is at least a little controversial, because in some cases they have been reverted, and the IPs reverted back; ] has done a lot of those. Good luck. ] (]) 11:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Oh crap. You know a lot more about it — I've never edited any of those pages. But I'll try to fashion an SPI report, if I get the time for it a little later. <small>(UNLESS A NICE TALKPAGE STALKER WOULD LIKE TO TAKE CARE OF IT HINT HINT, or Guy.)</small> ] &#124; ] 13:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC).


== ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message ==
:::::Maybe it's that the Checkuser's can't connect different individual IP addresses together...I forget exactly. My "experience" at SPI really includes only assisting at SPI in the identification of a small group of sockpuppets after a rather lengthy (month plus unfortnately) set of discussions at AfD, MfD & DRV. What we really appear to have documented above & currently at AN/I appears to be mostly a bunch of (closely-related?) IP addresses (that only have maybe a few hundred edits under their belts collectively) oddly focusing on spacing issues (some involving flags) & empty subheadings in various Misplaced Pages articles. I've yet to see enuff evidence of Curb Chain's editing patterns to connect CC with these various IP addresses. I'm not saying that those diffs don't exist...I just haven't seen them yet. What appears to be more likely is that maybe someone (CC?) is doing a lot of these odd edits while logged out (maybe while using a dynamic IP address?), which is something that I think that I've seen dealt with more at AN/I than at SPI (I might be mistaken about that though). In any event, the Checkusers have a job that I don't envy at all. The standard at SPI appears to be pretty high, and, unless you can connect an account with a known group of already-identified sockpuppets, you basically need to spoon feed (for lack of a better term) the Checkusers a whole set of diffs that specifically show a consistent pattern of very, very similar edits over time. ] (]) 18:42, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::: If it is of any help, Curb Chain has also been removing HTML comments, and more generally spaces of all kinds. Those between the last line of text (external links, references, etc.) and the navboxes are a sizable percentage of the vertical whitespaces he pruned; around 300-400 such edits by edit summary alone. He doesn't seem to care by what technical means the space was added. A small sample: . ] (]) 20:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


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I want to make you aware of that IP 87.232.1.48 and I had a dispute before the IP was blocked three months ago. The first thing the IP now is doing is following my edits around apparently. I will assume good faith but I have no interest in engaging with the IP further as he brings up my bad sides. I dont know how to handle this without being "the bad user that attacks the IP". In the last few hours the IP has edited ], the ] article and the film articles AfD and Yohios talk page. Especially the edit/revert on ] seems to have been made only to try to get some sort of reaction from me. And I know that all IPs and users are entitled to edit any article they like, but I feel that doing edits to simply possibly provoke a reaction is unecessary and on verge of Wikihounding. I could be wrong but I have this distinct feeling as the user has except for one edit only edited articles that I have edited within a short period of time before the user returned, and it was exactly unfortunatly what I expected would happen. All I want now is for the IP and myself to move on and try to be productive only, right now I feel the IP is heading towards wanting a new edit-war for some reason. Regards, --] (]) 21:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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:Another admin has taken the time to look at it. But if you feel that anymore actions needs to be taken then do that but otherwise I consider this case closed unless the IP tries anymore tactics. Thanks.--] (]) 02:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
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::Sorry I wasn't around, Babba. But that was a very nice forceful warning from Blade! It should work, and if it doesn't, more can be done. ] &#124; ] 12:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC).


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Per ], administrators can block for less than 3 reverts in a 24 hour period, and that seems reasonable given that the user in question had previously been blocked twice for edit warring. Also, per ], there's not an obvious reason why consultation was not sought before the unblock. I think you owe ] an apology for that unblock without consultation, even though it does seem you were looking for a strict 3RR violation, which needn't have existed in the first place to prompt a block. Cheers, ] (]) 07:34, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:It was certainly a bad block in the first place, and I note that the admin involved has failed to comply with ] "to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Misplaced Pages-related conduct and administrator actions and to justify them when needed." Which speaks for itself. ] ] 09:44, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
:*It seems JC believes I deserved the block. But then he and I have never been great friends. ;-) --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 09:50, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


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:::Nor have he and I, but thanks for telling me your opinion, JClemens. I explained to Bbb23 why I didn't have time to consult, and he still isn't around, so if I'd waited for a response I'd still be waiting. Or rather Ohconfucius would, which I don't see as a good thing, considering all the circumstances. Asking people to apologize to other people is a foolish pursuit in my opinion, however popular on Misplaced Pages, and so is informing experienced users of the content of well-known policies such as ] and ]. I've been an admin here since before you made your first edit. ]. I suppose I'd better link that phrase, since I nearly got blocked for personal attacks by an eager young admin last time I used it. ] &#124; ] 13:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC).
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== just so you know... ==
:::*And about ], am I supposed to assume good faith? I'm more inclined to say it looks like they intended for me to stew. Blocked me and didn't respond to my unblock request for NINE HOURS (and still hasn't, BTW), and then disappears for the next TWELVE. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 13:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::::admins are people too. he may have real life stuff going on, unless he is editing elsewhere, in which case, not responding is not OK. -- ]<sup>] - ]</sup> 13:45, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::::*Now let's see... the block was placed at 15:58, 16 June 2013 (UTC); unblock request was posted at 16:07, 16 June 2013 (UTC). Bbb23 was online until 00:59, 17 June 2013 (UTC), and made 35 edits in the intervening time. No time to review my block request? Makes you wonder... --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 14:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::No, you've got it wrong, Oh. It's not the blocking admin that's supposed to review the block, it's somebody uninvolved. I'm sorry that took so long; I should have thought it was usually quicker. But I don't work ] in a general way, so I don't know much about it. ] &#124; ] 15:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC).
::::::*Ah, I take it back. I didn't know the system had broken down. But it was a long wait, and the furore plus impatience got the better of me. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 16:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
*Thanks, Bish. And Aunva is right: we shouldn't assume to know why Bbb isn't around: it might be disappointing at the moment, but s/he should be given the benefit of the doubt. In any case, we should all resume our profiles of getting on with each other for a larger benefit. Cheers all. ] ] 15:10, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
*:Our profiles of getting on with each other..? ] '']'' ] 15:58, 17 June 2013 (UTC).
*::Darwinbish...you've ''evolved''!--] 17:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug . ] (]) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
== Talkback ==
:: <small> sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself ] (]) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) </small>
:I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. ] (]) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. ] (]) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I know, thanks, ]. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. ] &#124; ] 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
::::I've got it. --] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tq|I'm a slow little old lady.}} No one says that about you as far as you know. ] (]) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


== Past disagreements ==
Bishonen, I left a detailed reply on my talk page.--] (]) 00:13, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:Hum...your comment is troubling. You're a better admin than that I know...you should expect to get grilled from time to time on admin actions and that isn't just for other admins to do. While I respect your right to manage your talkpage as you see fit and also don't think a flame war is helpful, declaring that non-admin comments will be reverted...regardless of their merit...is troubling.--] 02:04, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:Least you stick to your guns and enforce the rule on that topic..--] 02:11, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:*Indeed. Of course BB can manage their talk page as they see fit, but I also find it astonishing that they would make such a proclamation. Let's see, they used it as justification for removal of my comment. Like "this is a purely admin matter and is none of the fucking business of you mere mortals". I have every confidence Bishzilla will know how to handle it. --<small><span style="background-color:#ffffff;border: 1px solid;">]</span></small>] 02:17, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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::*Well..If Bbb23 just wants to have the dialogue between themself and Bish then all he had to do was say that's what he wanted. I also think the block was improper/unnecessary.--] 02:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
:::*I've been forbidden to post on Bbb's talk page. Yet my problem was that Bbb doesn't comply with the admin policy concerning communicating with editors about his admin actions. Just doesn't want to know. OK. ] ] 02:51, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
::::*Tony1, Ohconfucius and MONGO are unworthy! Maybe he's just trying to keep it a one on one dialogue...maybe.--] 02:58, 18 June 2013 (UTC)


We've had disagreements both here- and not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. ] (]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== Shameless canvasing ==
:], I've done what I intend to do about that ]. I've no further comment. ] &#124; ] 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).


== I'm always coming to you for advice ==
Hey Bishonen, I saw your funny but actually serious thread in the AN archives, "Civility blocks are sexy, articles are boring." In that spirit, do you think you could look, as an uninvolved admin, at the Johnvr4 situation recently ]. Discussion has petered out on ANI, but the content troubles have been going on for a year... I have also pinged ]. ] (]) 21:28, 19 June 2013 (UTC)


The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article . That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see ), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me , in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to ], who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of ]'s many, many socks (see ). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.
:The thing about civility blocks, I guess, is that everybody has an opinion about them. About content, only some people have an opinion; namely, people interested in and/or knowledgeable about the specific kind of content. Nobody's interested in all kinds of content. So… take me. While I'm generally interested in American politics, as so many people are around the world, many aspects of it are as a closed book to me, from ignorance and from, well, disinterest. I suppose that's partly personal, but in good measure from my not being an American. You can probably guess where I'm going? Yeah… amongst the many, many things I'm ignorant about, the subjects and especially the conspiracy theories covered in ] rank quite highly. I went look, but I just couldn't get my head round it.


Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. ] (]) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:(Later.) After reading the ], I understand that my incomprehension of the article comes only partly from my own stupidity. I admit I'm relieved. (And I found a cool essay there, ].:-)) Well, Operation Red Hat's been deleted, never mind about that. I understand you're worried about the user's continued editing, maybe especially ]. (Good tags! They reminded me of the useful ] essay, that I'd forgotten about.)
: Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. ] (]) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for ''how long'' such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.


::Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. ] &#124; ] 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:No… sorry. I really am sorry, because I can see how hard you're working with this. But I don't have the energy, or the will, to handle an obsessive ] who first talks all the hind legs off of all the donkeys and then fucking copypastes the goings-on all over the place. I dealt with ] once, in early 2011, and I'm still in fucking recovery, even though other people did most of the heavy lifting. And that was in a field I like and understand!
:::For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
:::While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. ] ] 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is ''not'' Leonid. – ] 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. ] &#124; ] 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:::I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor ''intentionally'' attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. ] (]) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::In that case, I've revdel'd. ], do you wish to oversight? ] &#124; ] 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Done. – ] 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. ] &#124; ] 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).


== A barnstar for you! ==
:If the topic ban question comes up on a board again, I have now read enough background to post a brief supporting opinion. But beyond that, I got nothing. :-( I wish you luck.


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*Oh, wow, thank you, ]. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to ]! ] &#124; ] 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
*:@] Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! {{smiley}} ] ] ] 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== Your view on Mauryan Map ==
:P.S. Oh god. ] &#124; ] 23:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC).
:: LOL, don't go into PTSD over this. I suppose these guys fall in MastCell's 85%, although somewhere toward the ]. ] (]) 01:24, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::: In the meantime, I'm starting to get feelings of déjà vu whenever I edit anything about CBW. Latest . ] (]) 21:29, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::::Okinawa...? arghh... then comes my fit again: I had else been perfect, whole as the marble, founded as the rock. ] &#124; ] 22:25, 20 June 2013 (UTC).


Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @] ] (]) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
=== Part 2 ===
:I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. ] &#124; ] 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
There's now an arbcom case request about the contamination of Earth with Mars bacteria (as if ...) pitting someone who might fit your definition of "obsessive SPA", not surprisingly supported by another editor endorsing a sandsteinean approach to dispute resolution (meaning based on superficial civility). ] (]) 19:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
::understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. ] (]) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== November music ==
==Kiefer.Wolfowitz' block==
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You're wheel-warring with me, Geni. And why did you even bother to block the e-mail? As far as I can see, he doesn't have e-mail enabled in the first place. I wasn't aware of that, but discovered it when I tried to e-mail him to say that I'd restored it. (See, I preferred to do that by e-mail since posting "openly" on KW's bedlam of a page means being moved around, recombined, re-headlined, deleted, collapsed, or any combination of them, and I don't fancy it.) You know you're not supposed to wheel-war, right? ] &#124; ] 12:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC).
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:You know you aren't meant to undo another admin's blocks without first contacting them right?] (]) 12:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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::How predictable of you to say that, Geni. I'm disappointed. Anyway, I'm sure you're aware that you're the one that crossed a bright line, not me. ] &#124; ] 12:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC).
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greetings from a trip -- ] (]) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:Aw, ]. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (''Defiantly:'') But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! ] &#124; ] 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
:: Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


==You've got mail!==
::Also, could you please respond to my other question? Did he have e-mail at all, when you blocked it? I don't think so, but there may be something technical here that I'm missing. I'm asking because I'd really like to know; it would allow to me to draw a conclusion. (About his actions, not yours.) Now that you've posted here, I'd prefer if you kept anything further here, too. ] &#124; ] 12:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC).
{{You've got mail|subject=|ts=04:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)}}
:*Just a quick note that although KW does not accept emails, he is able to send them. The way to check this is to look at the note on the email user function - means a user has an email address accepted by the software, but chooses not to receive email. They can still send it. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 13:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
<span style="padding:2px 5px;border-radius:5px;font-family:Arial black;white-space:nowrap;vertical-align:-1px">] <span style=color:red>F</span> ]</span> 04:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
::*Oh, that explains it. Thanks, Wyrm. ] &#124; ] 13:11, 20 June 2013 (UTC).
:Replied and actioned. ] &#124; ] 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).


== My topic ban ==
==Post from new user moved from the top of the page==
TO BISHONEN FROM MEDIA PIONEER:
The living person referenced in Joshua DuBois fluff biased posting has clearly implied that he has a degree in theology or divinity from a reputable university (such as Princeton). R U
disagreeing that Princeton is not "reputable"? So a statement about what this person
has "Not" done by failing to having any education or degree in theology, divinity
Bible History, Bible Archaeology, Hebrew or Koinea Greek (which are all basic minimum
studies required to be a reputable minister or rabbi)is paramount to demonstrating to
the readers of Wiki that this living person has educational qualifications commensurate
with a politician but not of a minister. If you are an atheist that may demonstrate why
you give so little credence to a proper degree in ones occupation.
Finally, the exact QUOTE which was fully and properly reference about this persons "Tweet"
had been published for quiet a while and demonstrates the tone and motives of the living
person and his politically correct agenda, which if you would study the subject is NOT a
part of his African Methodist-Episcopal background. Nor is it of his late father.
Your block was intentionally malicious and most likely you are a biased friend,
associate or Democrat trying to re-write history more favorable to your political
interests. Shame on you! ] (]) 13:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.
== Curb Chain ==
], it may be a ].]]
suggests he's not getting the scope of the topic ban. Perhaps because the article doesn't have the word "List" in the title? ''']''' ('']'') 16:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
: That article's type is a ]. (Romanians have a funny ] for that made out of combining ostrich and camel; and there was even a debate as to whether it should be in the dictionary given how widespread it is: www.romlit.ro/struocmila) Anyway, ] to chop out the giant list is a good one. ] (]) 17:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
::A lion, a snake, and a goat. OK… got it. I shall think of it as a ] (hare + grouse). Thanks for keeping an eye out, Postdlf. I've written to Curb Chain. I can see this topic ban coming back to bite me on the ass again and again, what fun... ] &#124; ] 18:28, 20 June 2013 (UTC).
::: A ] perhaps? — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 18:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"
::::Welcome to the trip through the Looking Glass you take when dealing with this editor. Email me if you start developing nervous tics or heart palpitations... ]<sup>]</sup> 19:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.
== Happy birthday ==


2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)
... and amen to whatever Scandanavian gibberish has (temporarily, one would assume) atop your talk page. ''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 00:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::Ethereal gossamer words about the magic June night. Intoxicating spells, I assure you. Just ''don't'' run them through Google translate if you don't want the magic to turn into a series of bishzilla-grunts and comic pratfalls. No, they won't be here for long, but, uh, your...mmm...words of wisdom, haven't they had their week in the sun? ] &#124; ] 01:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC).
:::"Gibberish"? A quality distinct from the phonological plainness of English. But don't the Danes say that Swedish sounds like Danish spoken with porridge in yer mouth? How rude. ] ] 01:37, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::::. Thanks for gratifying my unreasonable egotism. Take that, ]! ''']'''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 20:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


3) edit warring - @] has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.
== Just in case ... ==
]
{{-}}
... there's a connection between your "motto" and your real life ...


He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)
<big> '''HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU!!!''' </big> .. and I figure with the you, the twins, 'Zilla, Bish and chips, and the plushie maker .. there's a 6:365 chance ''one'' of you is close to such a joyful day. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 01:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).
*Thanks for the attention, guys. If you track the socks through their logs, Ched, for instance , you'll see that the twins were born 19 October, Pod 5 July, and so on. And if you count all the plushies so diligently sewn by Yomangani and Pod, we were probably born on every day of the year! But my birthday is on the magic, dappled, sleepless, longest day of the year: 20 June. There's not technically "midnight sun" here, but it sure as hell doesn't get ''dark''. Juni natt blir aldrig av: the June night never comes, it looks more like a dewy day. ] &#124; ] 05:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC).
**祝你生日快乐！ You'll have to tell me your fun IKEA-related interpretations of those. :-) ] ] 06:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). ] (]) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::*Hey, you've sent me the seasonal dance around the maypole performed on my birthday, how thoughtful! In ] form! (That's as far as Bishzilla's understanding of the matter goes, but I suppose the characters are actually Chinese and called something else?) ] article. Could it be that I'm being "an exceptionally poor researcher" like Alexander Hislop?''] Just look at the feet of the person near the left edge (second from the left? the crowd's a bit of a blur just there): that's ''dancing''! I don't know that there's traditionally a herald with a staff involved, like your guy second from the right, but there almost ought to be; he looks very fine. The maypole itself in the middle is perfect, there's even a wreath on one of the arms (compare the photo). If I might be critical of just one thing, it's the slightly intrusive furniture. Make fun of my IKEA interpretations all you want, but the chest of drawers just doesn't make sense to me. I suppose it's "symbolism", that catch-all? Are the drawers to be thought of as containing the brännvin and hotdogs? Anyway, most kind, little Heim! ] &#124; ] 11:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC).
:Topic ban immediately violated . ] (]) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::*They're called "hanzi" in Chinese, but that word is a cognate of "kanji" and are in fact writtent the same way (much as "light" and the German "Licht" are cognates, and if those words were written using ideograms rather than phonetically, they might might be written the same way but pronounced differently). And no, not making fun of the IKEA interpretations, I just think they're fun! I'm not sure they ever completely make sense, even when you can read them, but they are the way the language is written, like it or not! If you ever really want to know how Chinese characters are formed, I could tell you, but probably better to use email, as it'd be really long. Or you could just read ]! ] ] 15:03, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::That topic box was started before my topic ban ] (]) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::::*Having some hazy notion of maybe two or three kanji, from Bishzilla and my son, I have an idea that the chest of drawers may in actuality mean the sun. Does it? Then it would fit just excellently with the other dancers in the summer solstice celebrations. ^_^ ] &#124; ] 16:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC).
:::What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, ]. Please read ] more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries '''and your own user and talk pages'''. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. '''That is not allowed''', as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
:::::*Yup, that's the original meaning, but in modern Chinese, it's come to mean "day" instead. Hence it being related to birthdays. ] ] 04:05, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
:::When I see you went to ] and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read ] at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. ] &#124; ] 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
::::I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
::::But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
::::I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. ] (]) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Vandalism/Disruptive edits'''
:- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]]
:-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]</nowiki>
:-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
:*'''Bad Faith'''
:- ], no idea how this is bad faith.
:*'''Original Research'''
:-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
:- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
:- Even my current article ] is getting called 'original research'.
:@] my defence. ] (]) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi again, {{u|JingJongPascal}}. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about , and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the . The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.
==Check it out, talkpage stalkers!==
Hey, folks, you remember Bishonen's rather bland compliment switch at the top of this page, that she used for saying something ingratiating to her visitors? Boring. Check out the new improved switch on my page! :D ] '']'' ] 19:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC).


As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.
== ] ==


The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)
The article ] has been deleted. Do you think you could remove that entry (and its annotations) on that list page? It occurs twice.] (]) 02:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy ] to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: ] (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard ), ] (deleted after ]), ] (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), ] (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), ] (deleted after ]), ] (deleted after ]).
Can you remove ] and "Phoenix Orion" on ]?] (]) 02:47, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


:Sorry, no. You're banned from the topic of lists ''broadly construed''. Apparently now I have to tell you that the ban also applies to user talkpages. Please don't try to make an end run round your ban by asking others to edit for you. Lists are off limits for you on all pages. ] &#124; ] 22:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC). All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also ] from {{u|Vanamonde93}}. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
:also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN ] (]) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at ] are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all ''pages'' (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "]"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the ] area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. ] &#124; ] 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
:::Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
:::and yet he gave me a edit warning.
:::Please do something, he did it without any consensus. ] (]) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing ], a page they created themselves. Also, ], I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? ] &#124; ] 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:::::Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
:::::Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see ], before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. ] (]) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::], I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did ''after you were T-banned'' doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ] article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See ]. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.


::::::You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ], which you're ''banned'' from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described . You can appeal either at the ] ("AN") or the ] ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the ] ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our ] projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. ] &#124; ] 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
== More on a certain user already mentioned on this page ==
:::::::look at my talk page , "November 2024".
:::::::You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. ] (]) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::(] padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as ], and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. ] (]) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks, ], you're very right. It's all right for ] to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
::*You added an extremely bad main source for your article ] (later moved to ]) ], only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's ''Chaulukyas of Gujarat''. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name ], describes the writer as "an ] spiritual writer and teacher associated with the ] in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
::*Editing against consensus ]. Note Remsense's edit summary.
::*Original research: ] of ] (now a disambiguation page). Compare ].
::*], you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then ]. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for ] in another article?
::*] to ] is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
::*Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.
:*I also want to say I was sorry to see ], JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:*:Don't worry @], most of that is humour! ] (]) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:*:I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". ] (]) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


== December music ==
As it is apt to be deleted on Curb's page, as the blocking admin (I think you're the blocking admin, I want to copy at Curb Chain's talk here as well:
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{{od}}Puh-leese, Curb, don't play innocent, it doesn't become you. YOU are under restrictions for YOUr behavior and WP:OTHERSTUFF is irrelevant. You are an experienced user (especially factoring in your probable sock accounts) with a , so don't claim you don't know how it works. Really, I actually can't decide which of your little ANI drahmahz is my favorite; , , , ]<sup>]</sup> 21:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- ] (]) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. ] &#124; ] 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
:: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::On the heckelphone! Thanks, ]. ] &#124; ] 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Today is ]. --] (]) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --] (]) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Seeking assist on ] ==
*Curb Chain isn't blocked, they're topic banned (compare the section above). But I'm the one that closed the latest ANI discussion, formulated the topic ban, and registered it at ], so in that sense I'm "it". Extensive link collection there! You're welcome to back up your post here. Perhaps a more informative header? Misplaced Pages is full of rabbit holes like a Swiss cheese. ] &#124; ] 22:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC).
:*I stand corrected, at any rate, this isn't the first time that an admin who took action against CC has been accused of being involved precisely BECAUSE they took action against CC. Just letting you know. I could change the header to "through the ]," ?? ;-) ]<sup>]</sup> 17:28, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
::*Just make it simple, horsey person. There, I fixed it for you. :-) ] &#124; ] 18:05, 24 June 2013 (UTC).
:::*LOL< that was precisely what I was trying to avoid... ]<sup>]</sup> 21:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
::::*Oh crap, stupid me! There's already a section called Curb Chain higher up on this page! Such doubling can cause schizophrenia and dehydration of browsers. Changing again: how's this? More tactful, huh? (What can I tell you, people don't often come to teh bishonen looking for tact.) ] &#124; ] 22:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC).
* Just making a note here that the 91.x.x.x DT guy is almost certainly the same editor as ], who started one of those ANIs noted by Montanabw above; compare with , with , and with . DT apparently has more than one IP range, all of them huge (/10). ] (]) 06:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)


Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in ], which has persisted with ] and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply ] for contributing objectively on WP.
=== Heads-up ===
The 91 IP has come back to ANI: . ] (]) 19:00, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
:OK, thank you. Not going to do anything about that, sorry. ] &#124; ] 21:17, 26 June 2013 (UTC).


Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== Attack political party ==


:Hi @], this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. ] (]) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
With regard to your revision of Attack (political party) you have unsufficient grounds to prove this party far-right. I wonder where do you come from and what expertise do you have in political sciences and Bulgarian political life? I recommend that you better assess Attack´s political behavior rather than what is said and declared by them. A party calling for nationalization and entering under-table coalition with a minority party cannot be called far-right and there is not such an example in the political life of Europe nor in the world. If "Attack itself claims not to fit on the left-right scale" you should at least remove the "far right" behind ultra-nationalist and leave it as a point of discussion. I understand that there is a number of violations against the page but you cannot put reasonable comments and ammendments on side because of this. Many serios observeres in Bulgaria strongly disagree with what is Misplaced Pages saying about this article. BR, silversvile <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Hi ], do take note that this is one of the many instances of ] by said IP address, going against ]. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:The ] is for discussing improvements to the article. I posted on talk when I edited, and invited you in my edit summary to come there also; perhaps you didn't notice. Please respond to me there, not here. By the way, you can sign your posts on talkpages with four tildes, like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That'll turn automatically into your signature and a timestamp. ] &#124; ] 12:30, 24 June 2013 (UTC).
:::Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? ] (]) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*Why are you moving this from ]'s talk to mine, ]? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. ] &#124; ] 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).


== Métis Nation British Columbia ==
==Barnstar magnifique==
]
] created this magnificent barnstar specially for me, constructed the machinery, trained the hamsters. (I had to swing by his page and pick it up, for reasons known to those who know Penyulap.) Amazing work and great kindness! Thank you very much, Pen. Gosh they're going fast, it might be better not to bother them. ] &#124; ] 20:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC).
:Coolest barnstar ever. Looking at it put me back to kidhood. Most fitting choice of recipient. Poor 'Zilla and 'Pod, green with envy. ---] ] 03:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
::Hehehe. It is, isn't it? And a shame about Pen's block. ] just referred to a barnstar he got (Hairy Shakespeare of the Woods Award) as the coolest ever. Guess what, Penyulap was involved there, too! I think it may be a draw, though the fairybread and hamsters absolutely take it away for childhood associations and for little legs blurry with speed. (As for the family, Zilla and Pod will get over it, but I fear for ] with her natural propensity for resentment and black bile. Emerald with envy!) ] &#124; ] 05:22, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
*{{like}} — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 21:41, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, ]. There was a note at ]. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done ''nothing'' on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. ] &#124; ] 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::Very nice. Let me watch … is it evening already?--] (]) 22:24, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
::They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here ({{cvt|-25|C}}), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have ] from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
{{-}}
:::Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! ] &#124; ] 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::::The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Sock to block == == Revert ==


I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:
] (]) 19:42, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
*Done. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 21:15, 25 June 2013 (UTC).


Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per ]? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."?
== Will respond soon ==
You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article.
You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. ] (]) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, ]. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See ] and ]. ] (]) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. ] &#124; ] 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).
I did see your very thought provoking post on PS's talk page. It's produced a great many ideas in my head, and I will respond ASAP. Best to the whole family as always. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 18:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
:Provoking thought? Oh my...this could be interesting. And yeah, from my chair this has been interesting. ]] 20:19, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
::Hi, guys. If you think that's interesting, you should see . (In the admin talkpage history, it's today's edits that are of interest.) It's all done and dusted, I think, I'm not asking for input or anything. But what a disgraceful business. ] &#124; ] 20:30, 27 June 2013 (UTC).
:::Yeah. A touch too much of that kind of thing, IMO. But it does seem to be the accepted cost/way of doing business here. Doesn't make it right, mind, but closed societies tend to have their own mores and standards. ]] 21:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
:::: Popping in real quick so this isn't archived. I'll resist the urge to stir any "adminy" drama stuff (there's certainly been no shortage of it). BUT ... the whole "Ched tries to be nice" thing: "moar, MOAR .. Feed me MOAR"!!! While I at times I may have the urge to attempt a go at "humble" ... I think I have the intestinal fortitude to resist that urge. I greatly appreciate the right honorable Ms. 'Shonen's view here. Especially as she has such a wide range of experience with her family. Little ankle biter can be rather blunt, while the twin brother and the plushie maker are the sweetest of souls. IMO Bishzilla is also very nice and kind, although she is not to be trifled with least her wrath be unleashed. (a good second choice for Admin. tools I think). Now Ms. 'Shonen herself tends to be on the kind and understanding side. VERY often a defender of the disadvantaged. Also, as an administrator she much check her emotions at the door and deal with things in a dispassionate and objective manner - so while I trust the "nice and kindness" is there, we don't always get a solid view of it. <''/me waves at Into on the way through - how ya doin buddy?''> — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 15:27, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
::::: 'Shonen tetchy, difficult personality! Typical of her to criticise nice people! Easygoing 'Zilla obviously better admin! No worries archiving, little Ched. No busybody archive bots allowed on the Family's pages! ] with a capital F. This is worrying.''] ] '']'' 17:44, 28 June 2013 (UTC).
:::::::: <''/me sees the beautiful 'Zilla #1 on wiki, massive tail thumps and shakes the very earth''> Oh Ms. 'Zilla .. you like little flower snack? Not filling meal, but good intentions. YES YES .. You be admin ... you be "founder" please. {{like}} What you think about all the silly children running around? I see master begging for kudos ... lmao. He silly huh? My master very perplexed ... not sure what that mean ... but he really hard to understand. He seem sad, mad, discouraged, frustrated ... he silly. Hey .. what music you like? What movies you like? What color..... — ]] 19:00, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::: Zilla. Stop. And I mean stop '''NOW'''. Everyone is well aware of your infatuation with the honorable 'Zilla. I'm sorry to tell you this, but you are not the only one who finds the 'Zilla attractive. Floq's monster may be a bit upset with your overtures, as would be others. I allow you the space to post to Bishzilla's talk .. but if you're going to be a regular here - then work on articles. Do '''NOT''' clog up Ms. 'Shonen's talk page with your prattle. She has administrative duties to attend to, and I suspect that your foolish (yet honorable) interjections are not helpful. Got it? .... Sorry about my pet Bish. I'll try to do better at controlling him. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 21:55, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::I know all about unmanageable pets. But the trouble is Bishzilla prefers dishonorable intentions. Even in the old days when she pined for ] from a distance, she had a roving eye, and now she's impossible. ] &#124; ] 08:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC).
:::::::::::: Dishonorable intentions? OH GOODIE .. me :-X — ]] 19:00, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::::: <'' /me places giant muzzle on Dino mouth before he makes an even bigger fool of himself''> Sorry Ms. 'Shonen. I left the gate open again - and he got loose again. I think I'll have to buy a heavier chain. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 19:02, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


== Crisco = Sock? == ==Io Saturnalia!==


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Bish, I sincerely hope you were joking with . The removal was because of an edit conflict.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 06:11, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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:I was. You're surely neither minion nor sock. But our wires must have got crossed a little; when I noted it on your page, I kind of expected you to fix it. No big deal, of course — it gave me the opportunity for one of my many untimely jests. ] &#124; ] 06:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC).
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:*Oh, sorry. I did poorly in ] in school (thought you were just giving me a heads up)&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 06:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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::: Trust me Crisco - when Ms. 'Shonen feels the need to give anyone a "heads up" .. there's no ambiguity to it. :) — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 15:30, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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== Season's Greetings ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The '']'' (1563) by ] is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. ] (]) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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==Continued hounding despite your warning==
{{Ping|Qalb alasid}} has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you for battle ground conduct as they did so only to now they have reverted my ] of ] ,] ,] and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on ] and edited ] where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of ] me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - ] (]) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, {{u|Qalb alasid}}, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. ] &#124; ] 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you, @]. @] - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
::For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
::Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per ], "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
::Based on ], "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @], is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? ] (]) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, {{u|Qalb alasid}}) ]-quoting? Just a suggestion. ]. ] &#124; ] 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).


== Thank you for granting the selfblock ==
==Technical tps help please!==
Help, help, ] seems to be on holiday! I tried to move the article about the book '']'' to the correct book title. Only the first part was italicized, and the parenthtesis not, as if it had been an article name of the type ]. But I only made it worse; I guess plain old wikicode such as <nowiki>''</nowiki> doesn't work for article names. (I think it does when I create articles, but not in moves, apparently.) Somebody fix, please?? ] &#124; ] 18:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC).


Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. ] (]) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)<br>
: Unusual case, but easily fixed: the template needed to go after the Infobox, and a parameter was missing. Happy editing, ] ]] 18:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
:Very glad to hear it! ] &#124; ] 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
::] Merry Christmas, young clown! ] ] ] 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
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'''Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025! ♦ ] (]) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ], very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! ] &#124; ] 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).


==Merry Christmas!==
If you look at the articles about other famous books, you'll see that the italics effect is achieved with DISPLAYTITLE, e.g. <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE:''Principia Mathematica''}}</nowiki>. Could you move ] back to its original location please? Thanks in advance, ] (]) 18:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! {{smiley|christmas}} Whether you celebrate ], ], ], ], ] or your hemisphere's ], this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. ] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC) <br />
:::Template..? OK. Thank you very much. A mistake was made by me; or, to weasel out of ever admitting such a thing (which is what the book is about): I took a shot in the dark. Compare my rather pessimistic . Now please both go read the book, it's most enlightening. I have it here on my desk. :-) ] &#124; ] 18:46, 28 June 2013 (UTC).


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::*Checking AGK's edit . Aha, I understand what went wrong to begin with, before I even got there. Stupid template saw the brackets and thought it ''was'' a title such as "''Amsterdam'' (novel)". I learned something. ] &#124; ] 19:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC).
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::::Got the book and love it: that's why I created a Misplaced Pages stub article about it. ;) Great work AGK for fixing this so quickly, and Bishonen for appropriately tentative edit summaries. Best wishes, ] (]) 13:21, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Oh, I see you did, nice job. And I note you also added the review from which I've picked my new admin motto (a quote from the book, of course) at the top of this page. :-) ] &#124; ] 14:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC).


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== Handsworth Wood ==


== Season's Greetings ==
Thanks for protecting the article. I just sat on it on my watchlist rather than going to RFP because I thought it would be rejected for lack of frequency, so I'm glad that's one fewer thing to worry about. –] (] &sdot; ]) 19:00, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, you're welcome. It wasn't that frequent, but it was pretty nasty vandalism, ]-wise. We don't want it up for even a short while. ] &#124; ] 19:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC).
::After more vandalism, protection was again declined at RFPP. Would you consider protecting again? (And if I've done wrong in coming to you after the request was declined, just ignore this message.) –] (] &sdot; ]) 01:06, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


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Hiya Bish....I gotta stop editing an article (which is essentially done anyway) and if you read what I already wrote you might understand why...but its a somber issue for me right now...if you feel like fixing my usual sentence structure issues, feel free.--] 00:49, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, what a dreadful thing. Sombre indeed. I was appalled when I saw it on the news here, but also surprised: how can such a thing happen today, in America? If it can, why doesn't it happen all the time, every year? I couldn't fathom it.


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:The irony of your fine new article is indeed the impression one takes away, from the section "Early 20th-century firefighting", that "Oh, that was then, it couldn't possibly happen today!" :-( I don't know what could be done about that impression, though, as the section is perfectly NPOV and factual. I'll ask the eagle-eyed Fr… oh no, he's been indeffed. :-] &#124; ] 13:15, 2 July 2013 (UTC).

==Thanking and such==
Hiya, Bishpack. Just swinging by on a rare down moment. Two questions...who is this Fr... you are referring to and why was he/she indeffed? And while looking through your logs to see if you were the one who did the indeffing, I noticed this: "10:53, June 29, 2013 Bishonen (talk | contribs) '''thanked''' Demiurge1000 (talk | contribs)". Wha, what? What is "thanking" someone all about? I don't think I have ever thanked anyone nor have I ever been thanked. How does one do that and what does the thanked person see when you do it? Inquiring minds want to know... ] (]) 18:34, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, I indeffed Frutti di Mare, to MONGO's distress; they were pals. It's all ]'s fault… long story. Indeffing him was a kind of compromise, because the CheckUsers wanted me to out him as a sock — which I didn't like to do, poor fellow — but I'd already retired him, for some good reasons that would take too long to enumerate, so blocking him hardly mattered.
:Thanking is part of the new ] system. If you look closely at any page history, you'll see a new link at the end of each edit, labelled "thank". By clicking it, you thank the person for that particular edit. Wait, I'll thank you for your edit here right now; can you find it? :-) ] &#124; ] 19:38, 2 July 2013 (UTC).
::(moving this to its own section so as to take the frivolousness away from MONGO's somber section.) Well, I'll be! I'll have to read up on poor Frutti. And thanks for the the thanks! It took a while, but I found it. Cool beans! ] (]) 19:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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:::Well, I see there's nothing to read up on. Poor Frutti...he will be missed. Anyway, enough playing around, I have work to do. Bye! ] (]) 19:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
::::My love to the ever-growing posse of babies. P.S., the simple way to find who indeffed a user, and to find the user's block log altogether, is to go to their contribs, like Frutti's . Being an admin and also inquisitive, I probably do that ten times a day. ] &#124; ] 21:03, 2 July 2013 (UTC).
:::::Since you've consigned FdM to the outer darkness, it's high time you addressed other phyla in your family tree: your socks are disturbingly biased in favor of vertebrates, or, depending on Darwinbish's species, chordates. At some risk of extreme obviousness, ] hasn't been claimed yet. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 03:16, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
::::::(The cladistics of the twins is a little intricate.) Bishobite, mm… pretty name. Bitey! The cute little twins Bishobite and Trilobish, perhaps. Though note that ] isn't allowed to create any more socks ever after the Darwinbish debacle. What about the whole neglected Plantae kingdom? ].''] ] &#124; ] 10:12, 3 July 2013 (UTC).

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== Happy Holidays! ==
*And a third editor create a spin-off for an important concept in the article! That meshed very neatly. ] &#124; ] 21:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC).


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**That was rather fun. --] (]) 21:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
::*Nice work all around! Many thanks Bish for the superb copyediting as usual.--] 23:00, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


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''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas5}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
Bishonen, I saw your comment at the AN and didn't want to respond there. TP has convinced me that I've said far too much already. Boy, is that an understatement! Haha. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I was very hurt by your comments because before I read them I thought you were an absolute sweetheart and a wonderful admin. I can't remember exactly where I came across you, but I clearly remembered you as soon as I saw your name. I even saved your talk page and have a note that says, "Wondeful admin, so nice, very helpful!" Anyway, if you support sanctions against me that's fine, I would understand that. But the mocking tone of your comment and the fact that it alluded to my wife and kids was hard to read coming from someone as nice as you. Honestly, it shocked me when I saw it was you who wrote it. (I expect it from some of the others.) And just so you know, my wife didn't tell me to continue editing, she and my kids urged me to respond to the allegations. But regardless of what happens, I will not be editing once it's over, which I'm sure will be better for everyone involved. Anyway, your comments probably hurt me more than anyone else's because of the great amount of respect I always had for you. Have a good week. --] (]) 03:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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*"''I always had for you''"...hum...you mean since April? Did you know of Bishonen before under a different IP or maybe a username? Quick, show my comment to the wife and kids and see what they think you should say now.--] 05:09, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
*:Some of ] are not this editor, but some are. 76, half your troubles here would disappear if you just created an account. Success (in any endeavour here) depends a lot on reputation. You can be a bit annoying. When someone without a reputation annoys others here, others will just assume the worst. With a name, you will build a reputation - for better or worse - and others will judge you on your history, not their fears. --] (] · ] · ]) 10:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
*:::Wow, Anthony, what a collection. So this is someone who had a pre-existing grudge against Andy? Funny how I kind of thought that might be the case. :-] &#124; ] 17:23, 4 July 2013 (UTC).
*:::::Create ''an'' account? Look who's talking! 'Ark at 'er! ] '']'' ] 17:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC).
*::::I have no problem with IP's editing without creating an account...what I do have a problem with is someone too lazy to create an account showing up at noticeboards, getting into long debates and looking for reasons to taunt (as above), bait, harass and wikilawyer and seek reasons to get others sanctioned. I call that trolling...least that is what it has always been...and the passive aggressive nature of this IP is sickeningly transparent for what it is...its not even Civil POV pushing...its all just a little game, surely inspired by the wife and kids. Grrrrrrr!--] 17:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
*No, I'm not sweet, and I'm afraid I stand by my tart remarks on AN. Reviling ] and pointing to his block log had what to do with the ongoing poll? All he did was give his opinion in a civil manner. No, he didn't spout a bunch of rhetorical insults, that only happened in your head. And when you brought up your wife and kids (you brought them up, I just quoted you), it was a bit of a 1974 Nixon farewell speech moment — 'I have a mother/I have kids, how can you do this to them? You've hurt them!' ] &#124; ] 09:19, 4 July 2013 (UTC).


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Ok, just to make sure I have it right: ], ], ] ''and'' ] are all humorous alternate accounts of yours? ] (]) 00:33, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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:Well, if you put it like that, I suppose so. Basically. Though it's technically more complicated: Bishzilla is my sock, Bishapod is Bishzilla's sock, and in an unguarded moment, Bishapod created the twins: good Darwinfish, evil Darwinbish. So they're not mine in a very direct way; but there is admittedly an Actual Secret Individual Who runs Us All, so… yeah, I suppose we're her alternative accounts. See also family portrait ]: that's up on my userpage, to help myself and others when we get confused. And then there's ]. May I ask why you're concerned to have it right? They mill about in a confusing way anyway, and the fact that they're my socks doesn't necessarily mean that they do what I say. I don't ''recommend'' creating this kind of family, you know! I spend half my time traipsing after Darwinbish apologizing, and reassuring people that Bishzilla really has a heart of gold and doesn't eat little users hardly ever any more. ] &#124; ] 00:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC).
::Just wanted to make sure that none of them were "people" at least not in the legal sense. My confusion arose because Bishzilla's page mentions you, but none of the others do. And don't worry, my socks stay firmly on my feet. ] (]) 01:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


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I assume you linked my username on purpose. Don't ask for a desysop; instead, use your bit to <s>do something Righteous</s>. <small>Nevermind, did it myself, not sure why I'm asking others to do adminny things.</small>


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Hope your summer is going swimmingly. --] (]) 21:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


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:Good stuff, evocation-by-linking. Now that you've been evoked from beyond the grave, I suppose you'll have to be exorcised again? I admit that when I idly follow some of the zealot-fighters and tendentious-editing resisters (none of the ones I stalk are admins) around and see what they have to put up with, I get a real warm rush from the sense that haha, I can do something about that little lot, because I'm an admin, hoho! ] &#124; ] 21:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC).
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::I know you and I have not always agreed and I know you asked for people not to do this, but you shouldn't resign. I even have good, positive reasons for saying so, but I'm not sure you want to hear from me, so I'll stop.--] (]) 21:24, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Considering our recent disagreement about blocks and unblocks (the very subject at issue on ]), I take that very kindly. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 23:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC).


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:Yes, there doesn't seem to be much point in warning or blocking this person. I've semi'd the redirect also. Only 24 hours — please let me know if you see problems continuing after that (I'm going away on the 8th, though). Do you know of any other pages that he's interested in? And thank you for dealing with this! ] &#124; ] 17:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC).
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== I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller ==
== You have a bit of email ma'am. ==


]. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. ] (]) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
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:I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. ] (]) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, sir. Replied. ] &#124; ] 16:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC).
::Kimchi. Hehe. ] &#124; ] 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).


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you know these sort of things; how do you make secure or locked (or whatever they are called) links so that when people look back on a page in ten years they can see what you are talking about - even if the page has since been lost or changed? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 09:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw ] by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see ]. -- ] (]) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
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My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --] (]) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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:I'm really on break; I only dropped by to say "fiddle faddle" to Floquenbeam, who is on an even more unconvincing break, though even that is nothing compared to the least breaky break in the world, which is the one announced at the top of your page. Anyway, Risker gave a reason for removing those log quotes. Also, I'm afraid I'd rather kill myself than get involved in that RFAR. ] &#124; ] 09:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC).
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:"Fiddle faddle"? That's like the 50's schoolmarm version of "you're a cowardly idiot, Floq", right? Yes, I probably am. It's Murry's block log, I wanted to give him the final say, but I'm confident he'll appreciate your annotation. --] (]) 01:16, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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...I am just a random Misplaced Pages user/supporter, but can you help me? The Mirko Filipovic article is constantly vandalized and I lack the time and know-how to do much about it. Others have complained on that article's talk page and it frustrates me that no one is locking the page. Is there anything you can do to help me? Possibly teach me to revert the edits correctly or anything else? I can only do simple things on Misplaced Pages, as it's confusing to me, but it really irks me when I see such blatant vandalism. Sincerely... ] (]) 05:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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:Good header there! Well, break or not, I'll ] this. The is a deplorable sight. When I click through some of the editing, it's apparent that most of it is vandalism, perhaps all; contradictory results and records keep being inserted, then reverted, and ''nobody ever gives any source'' for their edits. Practically all the editors are IPs, one or two of them probably reverting vandalism in good faith; but how can I tell which is which? I can't. I've semi'd the article for a month. I'm afraid it looks like no admins are watching the talkpage, so your pleas for protection there have fallen on stony ground. This is a very common situation, in fact it hardly ever helps to ask for protection on an article talkpage. For your future convenience, ] is the place to go. As for reverting ''recent'' vandalism yourself, this is how: look at the history. Click on the date of the last good version; that will take you to that version. Edit it in a slight way, for instance, insert an extra space between two words. That won't show on the page, but it'll qualify as a "change" and make the version possible to save. Click save. The vandalism is now gone. ] &#124; ] 09:36, 16 July 2013 (UTC).

Bishonen may be a little tired from exerting that power, so let me expand on how to revert edits. Go to ]. Hold down the Ctrl key (assuming Windows) and click "history". On many browsers, that will open the history page in a new tab. Each row shows two radio buttons (empty circles that can be selected). On the oldest date believed to be good, click the first radio button. On the most-recent date (the one at the top of the list), click the second radio button (it's already selected by default). Click the "Compare selected revisions" button above the list. If the ] shows that all the edits are bad, click "undo" at the top right. Enter an edit summary and click Save (or "Save page"). If more wanted, the folks at ] are good at providing help. ] (]) 10:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

== welcome back ==

... it's been an interesting week ]. — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 12:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
:Yeah, I saw you stepped out of your comfort zone there. Brave! But I shall not comment on the case. You don't like bickering, fighting and bitching — I don't either — and what's the case gonna be except a bickerfest, if it's accepted? There's one or two bruisers centrally and intransigently involved in the infobox wars that make me tired just seeing their name, you know. :-( Ti-red. Not that I can't enjoy a good fight if the conditions are right. . Smirks reminiscently.''] But they so rarely are. ] &#124; ] 14:24, 16 July 2013 (UTC).
:: Yea, I knew I was stepping into a big pile of "ka-ka" when I posted the request. And I'm sure I won't win any friends with this. But I'm out here all by myself anyway, so I figured I may as well turn the lights on and let some of the dustballs in the corners be seen. I admit, I'm one of the really lucky ones on wiki, .. I've always had a ton of good people stand up for me. There's a lot of good folks that get thrown under the bus on a daily basis here - and I hate it when I see that. I've seen it said that much of the discord on wiki is due to old grudges .. and I know that's true. Still .. my memory isn't good enough to remember who to be mad at .. lol. I saw a while back that Eric and Giano worked on a good (IMO) compromise with some collapsible infobox stuff .. and I was hoping that would be a good way forward. I did see that Giano was watching, and willing to contribute - I was glad to see that. I hate that he doesn't care for Andy, but that's just the nature of the world. I'll be honest here too, I've talked to Iridescent a few times - and I've always found great insight there. He told me that anyone could get smacked in an Arbcom case, regardless of which side they were on. So I did know going in that this could go many ways. But I figure life is short - move things forward. At this point I'm just rambling, so I close with the hopes that your week away was a good one for you and all the other little bishes. (and one ]) Hugs always, Ched — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 20:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
:::*Oh my very dearest little Mrs Bishonen, how nice to see you returned from your travels - I do hope you haven't over taxed yourself, at your age one must be so careful. I really don't know what all this fuss about info-boxes is about; I just love them - one only has to look at ] to see just how very useful they can be - I constantly receive letters of congratulations on my achievements as a direct result of it. Now Ched dear, what is all this rubbish about "''Giano doesn't care for Andy''"? Let me tell you that dearest Giano just adores sweet little Mr Mabbitt; why only earlier today - he was saying how much he would love to meet him in some secluded spot for an interesting chat - darlingest Giano does not have a mean bone in his very athletic and virile body, so please don't malign him. I thinks its very brave of you to launch such a case; naturally, no good will come of it, but it will highlight the problem. Now I must go, the poor dear Duchess of Cambridge is on the telephone, no doubt begging me to be a God parent yet again. ] (]) 21:01, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
::::*Thank you, dear lady. I hope you noticed my flattering reference to Giano's athletic and sunkissed body . Just like you, I'm always working to raise the dear boy's self-esteem! ] &#124; ] 21:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC).
::::::*I did indeed notice your rather lustful comments concerning my nephew's body. It's not his fault that he is so wildly attractive, tanned and toned, and I did not think it seemly of you to mention it. Have you considered a spray tan yourself? A genuine tan must be so difficult in such a hostile climate, and it would make you look considerably younger. ] (]) 21:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

== 31 ==


] '''Guideline and policy news'''
I saw your recent post at ANI where you blocked that guy for 31 hours. Just wondering, how'd you come up with 31 hours? A random number or is there some precedent with that? Just wondering, '''<font color="gold">★]</font>]]]<font color="gold">★</font>''' 09:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
* Following ], ] was adopted as a ].
:There's a drop-down menu for block duration, Your Admiralship. It starts "Indefinite, 3 hours, 12 hours, 24 hours, 31 hours…" down to "3 months, 6 months, a year". There's nothing to stop an admin from handcrafting any desired duration either, but it's quite common to use the drop-down to give 24 hours for a first offence of an edit-warring or ] nature, with 31 hours as an option for an aggravated case (which this was, in view of the many warnings and continued refusal to discuss). So, in short, yes, there's precedent, even convention. BTW, I notice the gentle ] once blocked for a mere 3 hours for edit warring (cough) — no doubt the circumstances warranted it on that occasion. ] &#124; ] 11:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC).
* A ] is open to discuss whether admins should be advised to warn users rather than issue no-warning blocks to those who have posted promotional content outside of article space.
::In that situation I felt that what was needed was a break in the flow of conversation, three hours was a good choice. The other benefit of 31 hours is that it's a lump over 24 hours. It's particularly useful for blocking public or school IPs - where the person is likely to return 24 hours later and not feel any repercussions of the block. School lunch breaks being a prime example. ]<sup>TT</sup>(]) 11:22, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
] '''Technical news'''
:::I do feel sorry for today’s kids. My school lunch breaks were spent—if not developing rather absurd theories in the school library—down the pub. In neither case were there digital distractions. ] (]) 14:24, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
* The Nuke feature also now ] to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.
::::Yeah, and spare some pity for today's company shills, too. The Princess page is on my watchlist, as indeed is ]. I don't always watch my watchlist, though, so a tip is always welcome if you should notice yet more block evasion. ] &#124; ] 12:38, 20 July 2013 (UTC).


] '''Arbitration'''
== Requesting help ==
* Following the ], the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: {{noping|CaptainEek}}, {{noping|Daniel}}, {{noping|Elli}}, {{noping|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{noping|Liz}}, {{noping|Primefac}}, {{noping|ScottishFinnishRadish}}, {{noping|Theleekycauldron}}, {{noping|Worm That Turned}}.


] '''Miscellaneous'''
You recently commented on my talk page. Me and aprock haven't gotten anywhere, and without a 3rd party we wont. He's now refusing to communicate so I'm turning to you for help in the situation. ] (]) 19:23, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
* A ] is happening in January 2025 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the ]. ]
:I commented on your page in my admin quality, more precisely as being the admin who first blocked you and then warned you you're cruising for another block. That's what I commented on. I'm afraid that means I'm not in the market for mediation between you and Aprock, just as I'm not in the market for editing the article; all these functions are best kept separate. You'll have to ask somebody else, sorry. The obvious way of "taking" something to mediation is via ], and that may be the only way to go in this case. If this were merely a matter between you and Aprock, I'd recommend a more lightweight procedure, like asking an experienced neutral user that you can both trust (maybe an admin, but it doesn't have to be) to mediate. But that would leave the other editors discussing on the talkpage, and editing the article, out in the cold, so it's not really an option. The trouble here may be that the other editors have little incentive to make a detour via Requests for mediation; and if they don't want to respond there, a request from you would most likely be rejected. (Mediation can't be forced.) Anyway, how do you mean Aprock's refusing to communicate? He posted on the talkpage 15 minutes ago.
:On the other hand, you can't force Aprock or anybody else to keep talking by repeating yourself. Aprock seems to be getting frustrated that you keep playing the same "censorship" card, which is simply not relevant to Misplaced Pages, a private website. ], on the other hand, is central to the disagreement you're having with other editors. I've asked you before if you've read it, but you're really not into answering questions or replying to other people's points, are you? Such a manner of debate often does frustrate others. ] &#124; ] 20:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC).
::I did answer everything that was presented perfectly. But thanks for the response and link, I'll take it there. ] (]) 02:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Also, Aprock took the issues to the ] a few days ago, as he noted on talk at the time. It's the obvious place for you to discuss the issue that interests you, and to make your case. IMO more likely to get useful uninvolved input than a mediation request which, as I suggested above, is very likely to be rejected. ] &#124; ] 16:32, 20 July 2013 (UTC).
::::I viewed that a while back and it seems his request is largely being ignored. I was waiting for it to be addressed before I interjected, mearly because we were already having a discussion in the talk page. Now it seems we've come to a roadblock. So I'll add my sources there on that page and wait a few more days. ] (]) 19:45, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


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== Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef? ==
Hello, Bish. It's been a long time since you put me in my place. Today I was looking at the article on ], and misread ''Malleus Scotorum'' as ''Malleus Scrotum'', which made me think of your friend Lady Catherine de Burgh (of blessed memory). Since she's no longer with us, I decided to drop you a line instead. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
:Lady C no longer with us? <nowiki><s>I</s></nowiki> You wish. See her putting everybody in their place ? But I'm sure you could do with an individual dressing-down, I acknowledge I've been remiss. Even though ] has been throwing her weight around re a matter that touches on you somewhat. OK, I'll check what infractions you've been committing recently and try to gauge who you may need a visit from. ] &#124; ] 11:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC).
:: 'Zilla go visit little Jehochman! Miss Cassandra not got enough weight to throw around! ] '']'' 11:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC).


Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that {{checkuser|Dev0745}}'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them ], have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an ], and I should just accept the ''fait accompli'' and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan <em>politics</em> instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.{{pb}}<em>On the other hand</em>, we have ], which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by ] as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted ] that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @] (previous block), @] (previous TBAN), and @] (general expertise). <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
== Obitauri ==
:Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. ] &#124; ] 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
::I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.] <small>(])</small> 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That sounds like a good idea. @]: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of {{tq|boosterism}}; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. ] (]) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. ] (]) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
I just read your comment on his Talk page. The thing is Obitauri's ''frustration'' is largely the ''cause'' of the problem, not a ''symptom''. He has a ''conflict of interest'' about Georgia, and I don't see that that is going to change.--] (]) 03:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
:It's best to avoid predicting what an editor will do—just wait and see. Editors are often unhappy when blocked, and trying to engage them in discussion shows a misundertanding of how people work. Just leave the talk page alone, let them have the last say, and wait for future developments. That's a good procedure if the editor concerned turns out to be helpful or unhelpful. In the latter case, engaging them in a pointless discussion is often viewed as poking, and would just complicate future requests for sanctions. ] (]) 03:44, 24 July 2013 (UTC)


:@]: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from '''politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan'''. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Jeffro, it's true that the editor hasn't given any sign of changing his approach so far, but both ] (the blocking admin) and ] have given him good advice; perhaps he'll digest it later. I second everything John says. ] &#124; ] 08:31, 24 July 2013 (UTC).


::As you wish. ] (]) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
== In case of doubt ==


== Quick question ==
You are quite the Good Person I remembered you as being. ] (]) 21:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
:Really..? I have my doubts, indeed, so it's sweet that you think so. was sweet, too — looking at your contribs, I thought at first you must have spammed the same message to both of us. ] &#124; ] 10:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC).
::Ah, but have you considered what standing of Good Person I remembered you being...? ] (]) 21:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Nohh... the Good Pedantic Buffoon? Did you see your trophy whore trophy just got downgraded? A pity in a way, but the ] was absolutely right. Indeed he only just got there before I did (your graceful resurgence having reminded me of the problem). ] &#124; ] 21:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC).


Hello,
== Spanish Civil War ==


I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Hej, I'm back (with Misplaced Pages on the back burner, though, for now at least), mainly because of the kind words from you and Shirt58 on my talk page. I noticed that you've run into a notorious editor from St Petersburg, Russia, who has been edit warring on ] (which is on my watchlist) since some time last year, using several different IPs, including what seems to be open proxies, to reinsert a systemic bias tag against consensus (if you look at the page history of the article you'll see that I have been reverting him ever since he started his war, getting him blocked on several occasions, under a number of different IPs), so semi-protecting the article is the only thing that stops him, and was the right thing to do. So thanks for doing it. Hälsningar, ] ] 13:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:Hi, {{u|3OpenEyes}}. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the ] requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- ] &#124; ] 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:Yeah, I see he went after me in a more personal way with the second IP, reverting me in random places, ha ha. I've blocked that one as well. Pity IPs can't be indeffed, I suppose, but then it's not a big deal. Once they've shown their full colours as a vandal, it's simple to revert them. Glad you came back! ] &#124; ] 15:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC).
::Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::P.S. I have indeed studied the history of ], and noticed the recurring disruption and your defence of the article; see my elaborate warning on ]. Doing it by the book, assuming good faith. ] &#124; ] 15:26, 28 July 2013 (UTC).
::Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
{{od}}The Russian vandal has swiftly returned as ], so far staying away from ] but revealing his identity by reverting you on ], as his first edit (which I noticed in his contributions when I cautioned him for unsourced edits on other articles). ] ] 17:06, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:::...and he has also started to stalk and revert me as ], an IP that belongs to the same Russian mobile 'phone operator as the other two 78.* IPs. Not that it bothers me though, but I thought you should know who it is if you're suddenly being reverted by someone using a 78.* IP belonging to OSJC MegaFon of Russia. Cheers, ] ] 17:19, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Beautiful, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:151.124.106.64

I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim, your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — not in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? Bishonen | tålk 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Macrobiotic Diet

Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does mendacious mean in your opinion? Or pick on? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and battlegrund editing you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing {{unblock|your reason here}} on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
"It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024"
They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. Not a similar account name
(talk) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
If you really think so, Not a similar account name, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the WP:ANI noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the 'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'. Bishonen | tålk 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen or even Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Not a similar account name There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. Doug Weller talk 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good WP:RS that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing warring user

Iimitlessyou has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on Lyle and Erik Menendez, to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

  • here is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
  • here they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: Talk:Lyle and Erik Menendez#Dispute over edits/lead by Iimitlessyou

  • They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again here and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
  • They reverted me a forth time for "biased edits".

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the WP:RS, and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

Zenomonoz (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note I've taken this to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. Zenomonoz (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, Zenomonoz, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. Bishonen | tålk 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at this month's Signpost.

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court threatening to not hear WMF until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by Valereee, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer appears to have agreed to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps The Hindu will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
A little more: "The bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela were presiding over an application filed by Misplaced Pages seeking permission to file relevant documents in a sealed cover. Misplaced Pages, represented by Advocate Sibal, expressed concerns over the consequence of releasing the name of the author. The court, however, observed that the company was accusing a journalist (ANI) of being a state-sponsored agent and suggested that the author of the content should defend their statements." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrator Elections: Discussion phase

Administrator Elections | Discussion phase

The discussion phase of the October 2024 administrator elections is officially open. As a reminder, the schedule of the election is:

  • October 22–24 - Discussion phase
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Kefas Brand

Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,

So in July 2024 you protected Kefas Brand, Rodney Kefas Namisi has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The content is in fact different, Davey2010, so I guess AfD is the better fit; Kefas Brand was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for Kefas's brother Arnold also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. Bishonen | tålk 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Kefas_Brand and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –Davey2010 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you! Dillard421♂♂ 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Hey, what a fine star! Thank you! Bishonen | tålk 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. Dillard421♂♂ 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess...

Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
Give my regards to 'zilla. JBW (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, James. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied here or they lied here, or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked Girth Summit, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. Bishonen | tålk 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. JBW (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. Bishonen | tålk 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Welcome in pocket, little James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of WP:OUTING, and if I'm not then it's a lie. JBW (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Pint-size James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. Girth Summit (blether) 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Scheisst

ist wie Scheisst macht. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

NOTHERE user

Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user Powerinhand. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - here he added POV irredentist views claiming Haryana is South Punjab; it is a common viewpoint among Punjabi nationalists that Haryana is part of Greater Punjab along with the random "who" tag, more POV pushing by unfairly removing a figure's religious identity. He also created an article which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.

It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
This is a new user, Southasianhistorian8. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in this edit summary, and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them here when they pop up again.-- Ponyo 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Ponyo. Will do. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much, my little Ponyo. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. Bishonen | tålk 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

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Kefas Brand (film actor)

Look familiar? Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't look all the familiar. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, the move and then blanked redirect page is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Bobby Cohn. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title Kefas Brand. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare this section higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. Bishonen | tålk 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Hello @Bishonen I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks Idrisskunle (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
No, Idrisskunle, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in meatpuppets — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also this guideline. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
once again thanks for your response im greatful. Idrisskunle (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah well

I tried.

Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not much you can do with a pure troll, Timtrent. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? Bishonen | tålk 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evading

The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address 2A02:8440:250C:AAA4:5C9D:4864:F7C3:27F5 ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Ydududu seems to be related to the ip ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked both. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
PS, please take any further information to ANI, here, rather than to my page. Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

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Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of WP:GS/CASTE

Hi Bishonen, CharlesWain has violated 3RR in the article on Guha (surname) in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Why did you use {{noping|}} template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as WP:3RR violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this months old edit. CharlesWain (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, Ekdalian, as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making more than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the {{noping}} template here was not appropriate. Bishonen | tålk 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
Noted. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm

I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar). Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ Knitsey (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by this comment into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. Bishonen | tålk 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug continuing their attacks against Doug. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, thanks, JoJo. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
I've got it. --Yamla (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm a slow little old lady. No one says that about you as far as you know. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Past disagreements

We've had disagreements both here- and here not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, I've done what I intend to do about that here. I've no further comment. Bishonen | tålk 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I'm always coming to you for advice

The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article here. That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see here), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them here to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me here, in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to Leonid Schneider, who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of Ariel Fernandez's many, many socks (see this SPI discussion). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.

Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for how long such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. Just Step Sideways 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is not Leonid. – bradv 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. Bishonen | tålk 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor intentionally attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
In that case, I've revdel'd. Bradv, do you wish to oversight? Bishonen | tålk 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
Done. – bradv 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

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Your view on Mauryan Map

Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @Bishonen JingJongPascal (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. Bishonen | tålk 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Aw, Gerda. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (Defiantly:) But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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My topic ban

You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.

And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"

1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.

2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)

3) edit warring - @Garudam has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.

He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)

He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).

4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). JingJongPascal (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Topic ban immediately violated here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
That topic box was started before my topic ban JingJongPascal (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, JingJongPascal. Please read WP:TBAN more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries and your own user and talk pages. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. That is not allowed, as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
When I see you went to User talk:PadFoot2008 and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read WP:TBAN at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Vandalism/Disruptive edits
- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]
-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]
-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
  • Bad Faith
- User talk:AirshipJungleman29#Magadhan Empire, no idea how this is bad faith.
  • Original Research
-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
- Even my current article List of wars involving Magadha is getting called 'original research'.
@Bishonen my defence. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, JingJongPascal. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about here, and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the discussion here. The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.

As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.

The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)

Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy Misplaced Pages:No original research to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: List of wars involving Gujarat (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard here), History of India as a political entity (deleted after AfD discussion), List of Indian Uprising battles (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), List of Hindu-Buddhist states (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), Principality of Pataliputra (deleted after AfD discussion), Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (deleted after AfD discussion).

All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also this original research warning from Vanamonde93. Bishonen | tålk 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN JingJongPascal (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at WP:TBAN are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "broadly construed"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the WP:ARBIPA area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
and yet he gave me a edit warning.
Please do something, he did it without any consensus. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing First battle of Eran, a page they created themselves. Also, JingJongPascal, I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see List of wars involving Magadha, before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. JingJongPascal (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
JingJongPascal, I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did after you were T-banned doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ARBIPA article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See WP:BOLD. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ARBIPA, which you're banned from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described here. You can appeal either at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") or the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the request for amendment ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our SISTER projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
look at my talk page , "November 2024".
You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
(uninvolved jaguar padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as I Didn't Hear That, and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, JoJo, you're very right. It's all right for JingJongPascal to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
  • You added an extremely bad main source for your article List of wars involving Gujarat (later moved to Kingdom of Gujarat) here, only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's Chaulukyas of Gujarat. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name A. K. Mozumdar, describes the writer as "an Indian American spiritual writer and teacher associated with the New Thought Movement in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
  • Editing against consensus here. Note Remsense's edit summary.
  • Original research: this version of Indian Empire (now a disambiguation page). Compare Vanamonde93's warning.
  • Here, you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then change it again to something completely different. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for this addition of an area with a surprisingly even number in another article?
  • This addition to List of largest empires is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
  • Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.

December music

story · music · places

I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
On the heckelphone! Thanks, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Seeking assist on WP:ANI

Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in this ANI case, which has persisted with WP:ASPERSIONS and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply WP:NOTHERE for contributing objectively on WP.

Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bishonen, this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, do take note that this is one of the many instances of WP:HOUNDING by said IP address, going against WP:CIVIL. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) hundenvonPG (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Métis Nation British Columbia

I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather. There was a note at WP:AIV. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done nothing on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. Bishonen | tålk 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here (−25 °C (−13 °F)), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have polar night from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! Bishonen | tålk 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert

I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:

Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per WP:WIKIVOICE? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."? You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article. You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, Talk:Alauddin Khalji. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WIKIVOICE. Johnuniq (talk) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. Bishonen | tålk 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Continued hounding despite your warning

@Qalb alasid: has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you warning them for battle ground conduct as they did so only to provoke me now they have reverted my WP:BLAR of Hinduism in Belize ,Hinduism in Barbados ,Hinduism in Brunei and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on BAPS Shri Swaminarayan mandir (Robbinsville, New Jersey) and edited Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of WP:FOLLOWING me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, Qalb alasid, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
Thank you, @Bishonen. @Ratnahastin - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per WP:BLAR, "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
Based on WP:Harassment, "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @Bishonen, is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? Qalb alasid (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, Qalb alasid) PAG-quoting? Just a suggestion. Misplaced Pages is not about winning. Bishonen | tålk 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for granting the selfblock

Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
Merry Christmas, young clown! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hope you are doing well

I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hammerpants, very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! Bishonen | tålk 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 08:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

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Happy Holidays

Hello Bishonen: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller

User_talk:Daniel_Case#I_think_this_needs_full_protect. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. BusterD (talk) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. BusterD (talk) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Kimchi. Hehe. Bishonen | tålk 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy New Year, Bishonen!

Happy New Year!

Bishonen,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
Dympies (talk) 01:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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January music

story · music · places

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

Administrator changes

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef?

Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that Dev0745 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them in 2023, have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an adverse possession unblock, and I should just accept the fait accompli and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan politics instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.

On the other hand, we have this edit, which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by BhagyaMani as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted at AN that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @RegentsPark (previous block), @El_C (previous TBAN), and @Abecedare (general expertise). -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. Bishonen | tålk 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.RegentsPark (comment) 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea. @Dev0745: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of boosterism; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. BhagyaMani (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. Dev0745 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dev0745: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
As you wish. Dev0745 (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello,

I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, 3OpenEyes. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the Extended confirmed protection requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- Bishonen | tålk 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)