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== 2013 album title == |
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Lately, word has been going around that Katy's upcoming album is called "Hold Back" or "Back to werk". Has anybody found a credible source yet to verify its title? ] (]) |
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== Katy Perry and Rihanna are B.F.F.s == |
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Katy Perry is best friends with singer Rihanna. You should mention that in "Personal Life". You should say, "Katy Perry is also best friends with Barbadian pop singer Rihanna. She helped planned Perry's 2010 bachelorette party prior to her wedding with Russell Brand. Rihanna also appears in the movie ''Katy Perry: Part Of Me''". |
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] (]) 00:13, 12 April 2013 (UTC) |
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{{declined}}"BFF" is a phrase that isn't really used by sentient adults. I doubt you'll find a reliable source that uses that term to describe their relationship.—](]) 00:39, 12 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:Their friendship is relevant to both their lives and I think it significant enough to include. ] (]) 00:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== Image yet again == |
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To avert yet another revert war over the image, I think ] is suitable for two reasons: it was taken last year, so it's fairly recent; and it shows Katy's face up close and head on rather than from a distence and/or from the side. ] 17:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== Mezzo - soprano vocal range == |
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Katy Perry vocal range is Mezzo-soprano |
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http://www.barkbiteblog.com/2011/06/women-in-pop-voices.html |
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please correct the info |
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] (]) 22:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}} The source cited is a blog, and this particular blog is not a ]. —''']''' (]) 22:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== Wealth == |
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katy perry maid 44$ million 2010 - 2011 |
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forbes magazine http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eegi45lfkk/14-katy-perry-44-million/ |
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katy perry made 45$ million 2011 - 2012 |
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forbes magazine http://www.forbes.com/profile/katy-perry/ |
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– — ° ″ ′ ≈ ≠ ≤ ≥ ± − × ÷ ← → · § |
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] (]) 22:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== Voice type == |
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Voice Type: Mezzo? |
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Sung Range: D3-B♭5 |
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Total Range: D3-C♯7 |
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C♯7 ("I Kissed A Girl" live) |
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F6 ("Last Friday Night" video) |
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B♭5 ("Hummingbird Heartbeat") |
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A5 ("Whip My Hair" live) |
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G♯5 ("Last Friday Night" video) |
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G5 ("Long Shot") |
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F♯5 ("Last Friday Night") |
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F5 ("E.T.", "Firework", "Teenage Dream") |
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E5 ("I Kissed A Girl", "The One That Got Away") |
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E♭5 ("E.T.", "Firework", "Hummingbird Heartbeat", "Last Friday Night", "Not Like The Movies") |
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D5 ("California Gurls", "I Kissed A Girl", "Long Shot", "Part Of Me", "Teenage Dream", "Who Am I Living For?", "Wide Awake") |
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C♯5 ("E.T.", "Hummingbird Heartbeat", "Last Friday Night", "Not Like The Movies", "The One That Got Away",) |
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C5 ("California Gurls", "E.T.", "Firework", "I Kissed A Girl", "I'm Still Breathing", "Long Shot", "Not Like The Movies", "Part Of Me", "Who Am I Living For?", "Wide Awake") |
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B3 ("Who Am I Living For?", "The One That Got Away") |
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B♭3 ("Last Friday Night", "Not Like The Movies", "Teenage Dream") |
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A3 ("I Kissed A Girl", "Who Am I Living For?") |
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G♯3 ("Firework", "Last Friday Night", "Not Like The Movies") |
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G3 ("I'm Still Breathing", "Not Like The Movies", "Who Am I Living For?") |
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F3 ("I'm Still Breathing", "Not Like The Movies") |
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D3 ("Damn") |
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] (]) 19:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== Record sales == |
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where is it ??? you deleted it from this page why |
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she sold 11 million albums and 75 million singles |
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please pay attention |
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] (]) 20:00, 9 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:According to what source? —''']''' (]) 02:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== C.Fred == |
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] (]) 15:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC) |
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OK |
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PLEASE give me your opinion on this subject |
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Katy Perry's sales |
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she sold 75 million singles ABC news said it Forbes said it Billboard said it |
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EMI her record label too |
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selling more than 74 million digital tracks and mobile products, and well over 10 million albums. |
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http://www.emimusic.com/news/2012/emi-music-and-panasonic-partner-for-katy-perrys-first-3d-music-video/ |
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and that not the first time you change things |
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and I said one time you have to put her ranks in forbes |
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katy perry maid 44$ million 2010 - 2011 forbes : magazine http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eegi45lfkk/14-katy-perry-44-million/ |
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katy perry made 45$ million 2011 - 2012 forbes : magazine http://www.forbes.com/profile/katy-perry/ |
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please just I am Ahuge fan of her and I just wanna know if you will change this mini lines |
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] (]) 15:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== US sales == |
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http://www.emimusic.com/blog/2012/katy-perry-is-billboard-woman-of-the-year/ |
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as of 2012 she has sold 48 million tracks in the US |
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according to EMI Katy's record label I posted the link |
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thanks |
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] (]) 20:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC) |
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:Would any other editors care to chime in? I know as a rule we tend to be skeptical of what a label says about its artists, due to the conflict of interest and desire to make them look better, but I'd like to hear some other voices. —''']''' (]) 00:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== 2013 album == |
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she also collaborated with DI-Dilpo and Adam leviene |
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http://perezhilton.com/2013-06-07-adam-levine-katy-perry-recording-session-possible-collaboration#.UbY60uel7Ec |
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] (]) 20:47, 10 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== forbes == |
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'''katy perry maid 44$ million 2010 - 2011 forbes :''' magazine http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eegi45lfkk/14-katy-perry-44-million/ |
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'''katy perry made 45$ million 2011 - 2012 forbes :''' magazine http://www.forbes.com/profile/katy-perry/ |
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] (]) 10:30, 11 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== wiki help me == |
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I am waiting for the change I told u about plzzz it is important for us Katy Cats |
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Come on plz |
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] (]) 17:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== KATY PERRY forbes == |
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2011/12/14/the-top-earning-women-in-music-lady-gaga-taylor-swift-katy-parry-alicia-keys/ |
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2011 #3 |
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http://www.forbes.com/profile/katy-perry/ |
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#8 in 2012 |
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] (]) 20:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC) |
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== why you ignoring me ?? == |
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katy perry maid 44$ million 2010 - 2011 forbes : magazine http://www.forbes.com/pictures/eegi45lfkk/14-katy-perry-44-million/ |
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== Who ever put the picture was wrong to put that picture! == |
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katy perry made 45$ million 2011 - 2012 forbes #12 : magazine http://www.forbes.com/profile/katy-perry/ |
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There’s many other pictures to pick but yet you choose the main picture that look awful. Change the picture! ] (]) 07:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:This ^ |
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Katy perry mafe 39$ million 2012-2013 forbes #13 : magazine http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mfl45efglk/katy-perry-6/ |
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:If was any other person, that picture would never be picked. ] (]) 16:54, 21 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:@] I don't think this really matters, I think this only matters for fans. <code>]]</code> 00:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::Lol what? ] (]) 13:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@] I mean-yeah, I don't think anybody else cares about the featured picture except fans. <code>]]</code> 13:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::hahahahaha ] (]) 23:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Now, I’m not a Katy Perry fan myself, but your assertion tickles me. If that’s your guiding philosophy, why not just delete the whole article and save some time? No one would care but the “fans”. ] (]) 23:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::@] Researchers and readers would need the article, but they mostly won't care about the picture. You have a good point though. <code>]]</code> 23:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Concerns about hagiographical balance of content == |
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In a cursory examination after being reverted of a content addition, I find out that this article is plainly speaking, non-neutral. It seems that the subject's public image section shuns the lacklustre reception of Perry's single "Woman's World", or her heavily critisised collaboration with producer Dr. Luke, which for some reason do not conform to Perry's public image, preferring instead to exclusively pander to the subject's reputation with positive cruft.--Asqueladd (]) 14:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I wouldn't say one song's reviews are fit for a "public image" section. If anywhere, this would be better for "Life and career" which discusses when the song came out. Same goes for investigation over a music video for "Lifetimes" (which is what you added), but I'm not sure how much on that would be worth adding here vs. the song's own page when there so far haven't been any legal charges. For what it's worth, other parts of page do discuss things like controversy over the lyrical themes of "I Kissed A Girl", having her ''Sesame Street'' segment pulled from broadcast, and some negative commentary on vocals. That being said, it's not like the article as a whole only focuses on "positive cruft". ] (] / ]) 15:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== New main picture. == |
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There are hundreds of thousands of pictures of Katy Perry on the internet. Why have we chosen a low resolution video screenshot to represent her? ] (]) 16:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:As far as I can tell, it was the most recent non-copyrighted picture available at the time of insertion, but either way this is far from the lowest quality existing one. Feel free to list any suggestions you might have for a replacement that isn't copyrighted per ]. ] (] / ]) 17:16, 21 September 2024 (UTC) |
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::Recent isn't necessarily better... substituting a video screenshot for high-quality photography isn't great unless there more recent image shows a substantial change in appearance.{{pb}}Proposing replacing the current infobox image with a crop of the following image (a featured picture on Commons); it's a few years old but the subject's looks haven't change drastically between then and now and the way she looks in the photo isn't a departure from her common and recognizable styling.{{pb}} |
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:::I believe at least one crop of that already exists somewhere, and "a few years old" is an understatement for something from 2016. While you do make a valid point on newer not always meaning better, do you have any other ideas in mind before swapping out the current image? ] (] / ]) 13:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The current crop on commons is of an unretouched version so it's a little grainy, if we were to go with this one I'd make a fresh crop of the retouched version.{{pb}}Like I said, a high quality image like this should easily take precedent over a grainy screenshot with an awkward facial expression from 2023, especially given there have been no substantial changes in her appearance since then, and the styling in the photo represents a very "general" Katy Perry look. The image also shows her performing, which is her whole claim to fame.{{pb}}Unretouched crop: |
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::::{{pb}}Other higher quality, more recent images are the blonde one from 2019 that is currently used further down in the article (and I believe was the lead image for a while), but I'd avoid this one as the lead at this point... it would've been fine back in 2019, but to re-use it now would do readers a disservice, IMO, because the way she's styled in it was a very specific (and short lived) phase of her career and not representative of how she "generally" looks:{{pb}} |
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::::{{pb}}There's this one from 2021 that could be cropped. Not the best photo, but it could work as a candid shot if cropped properly:{{pb}} |
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::::{{pb}}Anything newer is either a blurry mess (mostly from the Play residency) or more video screenshots. ] (]) 13:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC) |
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{{outdent}} You are correct that the linked blonde image was once used in her infobox. If going with the 2021 photo (which I would prefer to over the former to avoid duplication), then definitely crop it to focus more on Katy's face. Feel free to be bold and crop yourself as you see fit. ] (] / ]) 13:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:I've gone ahead and replaced the lead image with the one from 2021, cropped and retouched to remove the people in the background. It's not my first choice, but it's better than what was there. |
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::No objections to that. ] (] / ]) 20:11, 25 October 2024 (UTC) |
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*I’ve returned it to the long-standing ''status quo'' as the image on Commons has been challenged. As this article is TFA tomorrow, it’s best this is stable until it passes off the MP. - ] (]) 00:18, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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==The image again== |
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:*Bad, bad idea. These are two of the worst photos of Katy Perry I've ever seen. Why do people do this? I've literally never seen photos of her so bad. Yet one appears on the main page and the other in the infobox. Why? This is madness. ] (]) 00:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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I would like to revert the Katy Perry picture to the one of her at her premiere as it is more significant to her life <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:*:Given the possible copyright issues with the 2021 photo I reiterate my proposal for the 2016 photo for the reasons previously given – it seems there are currently no newer photos available of comparable quality and encyclopedic value. |
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:To my knowledge, that's not an important criteria when choosing the infobox image: ] is a newer image of Katy Perry is closer to her face than ] is; it's common for people to complain about an image "not being recent enough", and in this case we were using a relatively recent image before it was changed. Besides, how is one image "more significant" than the other? ] 17:29, 22 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:*:Wont happen until after it falls off the main page, though – I was surprised to find out that this was appearing on the MP with that photo (didn’t realize it was scheduled for main page until just now), but it is what it is. ] (]) 02:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::An image that has significance to a point in her life would best be placed in that section of the article. The image in the infobox should have as good a view of the subject's face as possible and be representative of the subject. The most recent image may not necessarily be the most representative (think young Elvis vs. old Elvis). —''']''' (]) 18:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:*Question for {{u|Viriditas}} and {{u|TheNuggeteer}}: do either of you oppose the 2016 idea that RachelTensions gave here? ] (] / ]) 15:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:*:Here's a crop of the retouch in case we need it:{{pb}} |
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:::] ] (]) 16:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Jumping in to support the use of this photo. It is much higher quality than the one used in the article currently, both technically and as a representation of the subject. The recency argument is not compelling in this case, given the available options. Her appearance today is not substantially changed such that this 2016 photo would mislead readers. A suitable caption can include the date (at least year) to avoid any possible misrepresentation. This high quality image shows the subject doing what she is most notable for. --] 🍄🟫—] 16:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Support. ] (]) 19:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I'll add another voice in endorsement of this line of reasoning. Recency is not the only (or even necessarily one of the top) criteria when picking an encyclopedically representative and high quality image form among available free options. The image of Perry performing immediately above feels the most in line, of the options discussed here, with her standard image as a performer, which is the core element of her encyclopedic notability. '']]'' 23:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::It would be better if there wasn't a microphone and hand covering most of her face, however. The editors at ] complained of a similar issue- her most prominent photo that was used for several years, had her microphone on stage covering half of her face. This was changed after new photos were released during ]. While Madonna is more recognizable than Katy Perry was then, I do not think this photo is good enough to warrant the solid 30% of her face being covered. ] (]) 12:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@] Sure, the cropped one. I'm not that experienced in image copyright, though I think this picture isn't that wrong and the image is officially from the Voice of America (given from the credit in the original, uncropped photo). <code>]]</code> 22:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Given what seems like wide support I’ve gone ahead and made the change. ] (]) 01:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::OK it looks like that resolves all image qualms for now. ] (] / ]) 01:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks! Nice work. --] 🍄🟫—] 03:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Update Image == |
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==== Photo age issue ==== |
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As someone who's been involved in the past two lead image changes of this article, I'm surprised that it was changed so quickly and I wish that I was pinged in the discussion to contribute to it,. My primary issue is I think the 2016 photo is very inferior; the mic is prominently covering half of her face and it is an 8 year old photo, when professional photography of Perry post 2020 has already been mentioned up above as a very suitable lead image. Personally, I suggest to find an image that's within the past 4 years? She has multiple interviews with Vogue Taiwan- I don't think video screenshots are inherently bad, I think the quality of the video needs to be set to it's highest and then a screenshot would suffice. Many high quality articles with Vogue Taiwan lead images exist, such as ] or ]. I think recognizability is more important than recency, and in my personal opinion post-pregnancy Perry's face looks more defined than it did in 2016. Just my two cents. Thank you. ] (]) 12:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Ms. Hudson's profile picture here could use an update. Here are some photos I would recommend. They are from yesterday's premiere of Smurfs 2: |
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:Expanding my thoughts- this may be an unnecessary edit for this timeframe anyway. Perry is set to embark on The Lifetimes Tour for 143 soon next year. As with many female artists on Misplaced Pages tend to do, there will be a huge influx of images from said Lifetimes Tour that we may be able to use for the lead image. But for now, I think the 2021 image is far more superior and shows 100% of her face. After the commons deletion discussion hopefully ends with a Keep, may we re-discuss about using that image for this article instead? Thank you. ] (]) 12:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Option A: http://photos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/18397_500554396687969_69555558_n.jpg |
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::Sorry for neglecting to ping you earlier for input. I don't know what you mean by a "more defined" face, but assuming the 2021 pic does get kept, I doubt it would be easy to persuade any of the users above who opposed implementing this. We either way definitely should wait for the to close before going any further with image changes or proposals to do so. As for new tour photos, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. ] (] / ]) 21:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Option B: http://photos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/992938_500570166686392_1556054105_n.jpg |
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:::Let's just say that historically, free photography from Katy Perry concert performances ] ], so let's not get our hopes up there.{{pb}}Obviously a more recent image would be better but until we have a suitable high-quality image to replace it with I'm not sure there are any better options than the 2016 one. ] (]) 16:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::The Play tour's only other photographer was seated far away from the main stage- otherwise I actually think several of the Witness Tour photos are pretty good and high quality. But I think the 2021 image is both high quality, doesn't partially hide her face, and doesn't suffer from being a really old photo. ] (]) 17:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::Well, I think your opinion on that has been registered, but there is pretty clear consensus above that the 2016 image is more suitable, all factors considered, than the 2021 photo. Recency is not trumps-all factor, and a face being slightly obscured by a musician holding a muc to their mouth to sing into is a pretty unavoidable quality of an image which shows one singing into a microphone: which context is actually part of value added observed in a number of the !votes above. The 2021 image is not the worst, but I wouldn't call it optimal either, and if it is presently up for deletion, that is all the more reason not to rely on it at present. As to any forthcoming images, those are obviously speculative possibilities and I don't see what influence they can possibly have on the discussion until any such exist. '']]'' 08:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::I don't see anyone opposing the 2021 photo for reasons other than the copyright status. If it's kept at Commons it should be a valid option. --] (]) 19:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Kamala Harris endorsement == |
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Option C: http://photos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/534191_500568586686550_260872451_n.jpg |
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Can someone please add information about Katy Perry Kamala Harris in the 2024 election? ] (]) 14:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Which seems the most suitable? ] (]) 21:53, 29 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:{{done}} I just did so . ] (] / ]) 03:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== KATY'S NEW ALBUM NAME == |
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== Source Timestamp Issue == |
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In a section of the article, theres a timestamp of a source that doesn't lead to whats being spoken about. |
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Johnny Wujek, her stylist has confirmed her new album is called "PRISM" and is to be released Tuesday October 22nd, 2013!!! |
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Specifically '''"Transitioning from gospel music to secular music, Perry started working with producer Glen Ballard"'''. An additional timestamp off 28:19 is probably much needed since it talks about what the second part of the sentence states |
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http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/GR4CdrDh-F9l.jpg |
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http://www.hypable.com/2013/07/29/katy-perry-new-album-2013-release-date/ |
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] (]) 23:25, 29 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:At long last we have answers! ] (]) 00:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/Katy_Perry?useskin=vector#2000%E2%80%932006:_Career_beginnings,_Katy_Hudson,_and_Fingerprints ] (]) 00:54, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I went ahead and . If anybody thinks it's repetitive to have two different timestamps in quick succession and knows a way to merge them into one citation, then that would be nice to learn about because I couldn't think of how. ] (] / ]) 01:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::Is her stylist really a reliable source? —''']''' (]) 01:27, 30 July 2013 (UTC) |
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In a cursory examination after being reverted of a content addition, I find out that this article is plainly speaking, non-neutral. It seems that the subject's public image section shuns the lacklustre reception of Perry's single "Woman's World", or her heavily critisised collaboration with producer Dr. Luke, which for some reason do not conform to Perry's public image, preferring instead to exclusively pander to the subject's reputation with positive cruft.--Asqueladd (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
There are hundreds of thousands of pictures of Katy Perry on the internet. Why have we chosen a low resolution video screenshot to represent her? Teutonkahmun (talk) 16:56, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
You are correct that the linked blonde image was once used in her infobox. If going with the 2021 photo (which I would prefer to over the former to avoid duplication), then definitely crop it to focus more on Katy's face. Feel free to be bold and crop yourself as you see fit. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 13:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
As someone who's been involved in the past two lead image changes of this article, I'm surprised that it was changed so quickly and I wish that I was pinged in the discussion to contribute to it,. My primary issue is I think the 2016 photo is very inferior; the mic is prominently covering half of her face and it is an 8 year old photo, when professional photography of Perry post 2020 has already been mentioned up above as a very suitable lead image. Personally, I suggest to find an image that's within the past 4 years? She has multiple interviews with Vogue Taiwan- I don't think video screenshots are inherently bad, I think the quality of the video needs to be set to it's highest and then a screenshot would suffice. Many high quality articles with Vogue Taiwan lead images exist, such as Billie Eilish or Kylie Jenner. I think recognizability is more important than recency, and in my personal opinion post-pregnancy Perry's face looks more defined than it did in 2016. Just my two cents. Thank you. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 12:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
In a section of the article, theres a timestamp of a source that doesn't lead to whats being spoken about.
Specifically "Transitioning from gospel music to secular music, Perry started working with producer Glen Ballard". An additional timestamp off 28:19 is probably much needed since it talks about what the second part of the sentence states