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	In articles on WWOR-TV and ], previous versions incorrectly mentioned efforts by the state of New Jersey to secure a full-power, commercial VHF license to provide adequate television service to the state. In those old versions, it had been written that these moves were made after WKBS-TV in Burlington, N.J. went off-the-air in late summer 1983, and that New Jersey was looking into having WOR-TV, which had its channel nine license already moved from New York City to Secaucus, move further south and closer to central New Jersey, in order to get the signal into the northern fringes of the Philadelphia market.

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	This would have been redundant and impossible for at least two reasons. First, WOR-TV was on central and southern New Jersey area cable systems already; and secondly, any move of channel nine further south would have caused: a) interference with next-door neighbor WCAU-TV (channel 10); and b) created short-spacing issues with channel nine in Washington, D.C., then known as ]. Without going into the whole story, and the risk being incorrect with the details, WOR-TV's move to Secaucus was tied into the investigation of the station's then-owner, RKO General, and the move bought RKO time to sell the station, which they did in 1987.
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	Turns out, You are right. The senate did indeed at one time try to get the senate to extend the over-the-air signal of WOR, however, it turns out, it had nothing to do with WKBS going dark. Check out http://www.philly.com, and check the advanced archives. A Philadelphia Inquirer article from May 5, 1983 talks about the proposed signal extension. It was actually due to the station moving to New Jersey. As for the article I refer you to, you'll see some of it, which will give you an idea, as you can only see the entire thing via subscription. Thanks for helping me clear this up. ] 08:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
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	:While knowing some of the history involving WOR-TV's move to New Jersey, I had never heard of such a request made by the state, so I wrote that off as speculation. I was unable to read the article portions on the link you provided, but I'll take your word for it. ] 19:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
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	== Speculation on My Network and the CW ==
	As I'm sure others have mentioned on their talk pages, we shouldn't speculate on which stations may or may not become affiliates of either network UNTIL there are deals officially announced. I've been scanning through various station pages and notice this "jumping-the-gun" form of speculation. While we can all play musical chairs with the stations and markets that are still in play for either network, let's keep that game private, and off of Misplaced Pages. From what I've seen in my brief time here, we deal with hard facts.

	I'm writing this in hopes of ending a editing war regarding the ] entry, as one poster repeatedly writes that WCTX ''"will either become an independent station or become a My Network station"'' in September. As I write this, WCTX is going indie. ] 09:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

	:On the subject of My Network, I reverted back to the edit I had on the WPHL-TV page to reflect that the new branding will be "My 17" (as per the "My Network TV" affiliate stations) starting in September, or earlier. Fox's UPN affiliates are currently using the "My (channel number)" name as of right now. ] 11:33 PM US EDT May 22 2006.

	::There are currently NO indications that Tribune will re-brand WPHL (or, for that matter, WATL or KTWB) in a manner similar to the Fox-owned UPN/MNTV outlets. To mention that WPHL will become "My17" is, at this time, speculative. So I edited that line again. Unless you can provide proof in the form of a link to an article or something, then it shouldn't be there. ] 06:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

	== WWOR-TV ==
	You've cut out several edits to the WWOR-TV page by myself and several others without explanation. THis is very bad form. ] 19:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

	:"This is bad form"? I looked at your last edit and it was full of run-on sentences and other stylistic errors. Not to mention a lot of information that was added on by you, in an effort to "make it easier to read" was stuff that really didn't belong. Some of the RKO General stuff you added can be found within the RKO General entry, so it shouldn't be included in WWOR-TV.

	:BTW, as I learned quite some time ago, being a New York station doesn't immediately ensure "flagship" status for a television network, especially if the station and the network aren't co-owned. So, on that basis alone, WWOR '''was a flagship station''' of UPN when Chris-Craft owned half of the network (1995-2000). For the '''last six years''' the '''real flagship station''' of UPN has been '''WPSG in Philadelphia''', and WWOR has been an affiliate. The same will be said of WPIX when it joins CW in the fall.

	:I don't know wbout you, but I have several writing style guides at my disposal, and my revisions are both professional as well as Misplaced Pages-friendly. (On a related note, I will acknowledge that I was incorrect by writing ''childrens''' when it should have been ''children's'' when discussing kids programming.) But I believe what I've written so far on Misplaced Pages has been very clear and accurate. I suggest you pick up a thesaurus and a copy of the Penguin Handbook for future reference. ] 07:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

	==BenH==
	I see that you left a message on his talk page to stop it with his sloppy edits. Don't bother. If you see his talk page, I tried to bargain with him myself, but nothing changed. I even left a message on the tv station wikiproject talk page about him. Let's face it, he doesn't listen to others. ] 01:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)


	==Blueboy==

	Rollosmokes I'd like to ask you for some verification of vandalism by Blueboy96 when reporting him to Misplaced Pages administrators. He's been bottching the English on WXYZ for a week now after me and a few others spent some time actually researching. ] 16:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)wxyzdan] 16:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


	Thanks for the responce... That’s exactly the same problem. You go through some effort to expand the thing and now somebody comes out of the “blue” with poor grammar to take ownership. Not to mention with wrong and misleading details each time. Where was this participation when the article was nothing?

	Anyway, on Bonds, I never paid much attention to what was going on at WABC but Bonds was gone from the second half of ’75 to sometime after April ’76. It wasn’t even a whole year. You can e-mail his contact person at Billbonds.net, they can probably give you info on his time in New York. - Wxyzdan

	== ] ==

	Can you explain to me, not being an "insider", what it is that a-none is ranting about regarding the WGN logo vs. the WB logo or some such? He's obviously trying to make some kind of point, but what exactly ''is'' the point? It is not at all obvious to me and probably not to a lot of others as well. ] 15:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
	*Thanks for your note. I still don't understand what point that other writer was trying to make, and its obscurity alone is sufficient reason to keep deleting it from the article whenever it turns up. :) ] 11:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

	== United Paramount Network or UPN??? ==

	Yes, I know its only an ], but all acronyms have meant something at one time or another. In television, it seems that networks change their on-air identity from its full name to an acronym, and expect viewers to stop using the old full name just as the channel has. Examples: Game Show Network to GSN, Outdoor Life Network to OLN, Columbia Broadcasting System to CBS, and so-on and so-forth. For historical accuracy, there should be nothing wrong with mentioning the full name in an article, especially if the meaning is generally the same.

	UPN stands for UNITED PARAMOUNT NETWORK. They stopped using the full name in 2000, after Chris-Craft sold its half back to Viacom. Does that mean we, as viewers, observers, and writers, should stop using the full name because CBS and UPN wants us to? I think not. You decide for yourself. ] 04:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

	:This sort of historical information belongs in the ] article. Presently, it is '''factually incorrect''' to state that a station is an affiliate of the United Paramount Network, because '''that is not the entity's current name'''. It was officially changed to "UPN," which no longer stands for anything. Likewise, CBS has not stood for "Columbia Broadcasting System" since 1974.

	:As an aside, these are ], ''not'' acronyms. —] 04:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

	===My Last Words on This Topic===
	Thus began a series of back-and-forth arguments which basically were about who's viewpoint was right and who's was wrong. David Levy is entitled to his opinion, with which I completely disagree. He will have you think that once a television network (or any other business entity, for that matter) replaces its full, original name with an acronym or initialism, then the original name should no longer be mentioned. Even for informative, historical purposes. My belief is that, no matter what, it should be okay to use the original full name along with the more commonly-used acronym, because the letters had to have meant something.

	In the 2000 ] joint '']'', ] uttered a line what I thought was funny at the time, while his character was doing a stand-up routine: "UPN...'''U''' '''p'''ick a '''n'''igger, any nigger you want." This was his interpretation of what the letters UPN stood for. Though he was making more of a reference to UPN's stable of urban comedies at the time, his message was clear to me.

	MTV, VH1, ESPN, TBS, OLN, CBS, NBC, and on and on and on. All of these abbreviations came from some group of words. We don't throw away the words once the entity stops using them regularly. Doing so is extreme forward-thinking hypocrisy to me.

	I have removed the long, exaggerated exchanges between David Levy and myself in regards to this topic. This, after all, is my talk page, not David Levy's self-serving soapbox that he uses to push his agenda and (in my opinion) abuse his administrative authority. He'll probably dislike that I've removed his comments, but so what? I'll be forward-thinking and I'll move on.

	One more thing: UPN will always stand for UNITED PARAMOUNT NETWORK. ] 03:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

	== June Meetup in New York ==

	Hi, Rollo, I noticed you are characterized as a New Yorker or someone living in New York City so perhaps you might be in the NYC area in June. If you are interested we are having a meetup for Wikipedians in June in NYC. Take a peek at and please tell any other Wikipedians that you think might be interested in participating about this event. Thanks. ] 02:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

	==WCBS' main anchor==
	Hey Rollo, as one TV buff to another, you have any idea who was considered WCBS' main anchor(wo)man after ] was pushed off the anchor desk in '94? I was getting ready to add a succession box to that article, but realized that WCBS' news division has been such a mess in the last decade that it's hard to tell. ] 05:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

	== Field Communications ==

	in the article ], I think there is a modification to do:

	as Marshall Field IV commited suicide in 1965 at 49yo, I think that the sentence "In 1982, brothers Marshall Field IV and Frederick W. Field," should be replaced by "In 1982, brothers Marshall Field V and Frederick W. Field,"... don't you think?

	]

	== 67.8.26.41 ==

	I reverted your edits to the local ] TV stations, using rollback, as ] edits were clearly not vandalism like you said in your edit summarries. Those TV stations do transmit to Key West. Thanks ] ] 20:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

	== Fox Branding ==
	It is obvious that the FOX network branding is spelled in all caps and not lower case letter. Even when you go to their websites such as FOX5 NY website you see it spelled in all caps on the About Us page. Also on air when they use teasers and program schedules they spell it in all caps. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 17:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- -->

	:1. Both of you need to stop referring to each other's edits as "vandalism." This is an honest content dispute.

	:2. Rollosmokes is correct. Please see ].

	:—] 18:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

	::Maybe I was a tad hasty in labeling it as "vandalism". However, it's refreshing to see that Mr. Levy agrees with me on at least ONE topic.

	::Just because Fox uses all-uppercase letters in its logo, the name "Fox" itself comes from, as we all know, the 20th Century Fox Film Corp., which to my knowledge never used uppercase letters exclusively in any and all references. We shouldn't take these things so literally. ] 18:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

	== Blueboy96 ==

	Please stop reverting his edits. He is a good contributor, and you need to see that for yourself. And while you are at it, stop reverting my edits, all of this is violating ]. ] 18:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

	:Coolkatt, you have made me laugh in your effort to stick up for Blueboy. This coming from someone who wastes precious space on Misplaced Pages with your "alternate history" pages on the Scripps-Howard television stations and of Louisville, largest city of the "Commonwealth of Whore". You can't seem to take constructive criticism when it comes to your edits, so you have the audacity to come at me? PUHLEEZZE!!

	:In my opinion, Blueboy's edits and additions have bordered on informative (which, when researched and written properly, are helpful) and sloppy (at times he has changed whole sentences, changing the entire continuity and context of paragraphs which someone else, such as myself, has had to clean up and revert). His contributions are as inconsistent as ]'s batting average with runners in scoring position. Blueboy needs to work on this and not be so sensitive. As for you, Coolkatt, you have no right to defend someone else when '''''you''''' are guilty of a whole lot worse. Most of us don't either, including myself. The difference between you and me is that I can accept and answer to criticism, and you can't.

	:BTW: I have read WP:OWN, and I believe that it applies more to '''''you''''' than to me. ] 07:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)



	== Big Rollo vs. CoolKatt number 99999 (featuring Blueboy96) ==

	It's a new season, so I have a new hater in my cypher: ] feels that my continued editing of articles which had also been edited by he and ] is part of a personal vendetta against the both of them. What is, in my opinion, completely reprehensible is CoolKatt's dragging of Blueboy into this dispute, which is between CoolKatt and myself.

	This stems from an edit war regarding ]. Though he did add useful information Blueboy, as his norm, rewrites sentences in such a way that the context of paragraphs were changed completely. He also made other stylistic errors, which I corrected by rewriting and/or reverting.

	CoolKatt, who is apparently stubborn (] for past behavior) and arrogant (he ignores comments on his talk page) decided to use Blueboy as his cause to start a dispute with me. His gripe with yours truly is my deleting his "trivial" additions to television station articles, such as references about stations such as ] being "the largest Fox station on the UHF dial" from the main portion of such articles. I told him in one instance that such information should be classified as trivia, and be placed in a new section labeled as such. Sometimes he has listened (eg. WFLD), sometimes he hasn't (see recent history of ].) He also claims that I have acted in a manner that violates ], and that I'm guilty of ].

	To those charges I say this: '''GET REAL, COOLKATT'''. He can't face me directly, one-on-one, so he has to run to ] for help. Fine, but before you seek the help of an administrator (with whom I had a dispute in the not-so-distant past) or some other higher power on Misplaced Pages, take a look in the mirror at YOURSELF. Therein is where the real problem (and the solution) lies. ] 07:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

	== On the subject of "Network Flagships" ==

	It seems as though we use the term "flagship" station all too loosely in television station articles. Usually, we automatically assume that a station located in New York City (the number-one television market) automatically achieves such status.

	However, I learned on a non-Misplaced Pages message board some time ago that this is not always the case. Network flagship status can be reserved for the owned-and-operated station that is co-located with the network's main headquarters and/or master control operations. Using this theory, that would make WABC-TV, WCBS-TV, and WNBC-TV the only TRUE network flagships based in New York. On the other hand, Fox's television operations are based in Los Angeles, so KTTV can be referred to as that network's flagship. However, the News Corp. is HQ'd in New York City, so what does that say about WNYW? (Fox, for whatever reason, has ignored New York as a production center.) Currently, WPIX, WWOR-TV, and WPXN-TV are the largest-market stations of their respective networks (and calling "i" a network is a bit of a stretch here), but the MCOs of the WB, UPN, and i aren't based in NYC. WPIX and WWOR aren't even owned by their networks.

	My Network TV sounds more like a programming service at this point, rather than a network. To me, this makes any reference to WWOR being the "flagship" of MNTV sound questionable. If the network is beamed out of L.A., then KCOP could also claim this title. But, really, we all use this term so loosely around here. ] 18:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

	:Remember, if a station is a network O&O in either NY, LA, ''or'' Chicago, then it is a flagship: for example NBC, WNBC is the East Coast Flagship, KNBC the West Coast, and WMAQ the Central Time Zone Flagship. And as for WPIX, it can be considered a WB O&O as that station's parent, the Tribune Company, owns a stake in the network, although this will end in September. As for CW flagship, WPSG (East Coast) and KBHK (West Coast) would be flagships if only O&O's are counted. By market size, the WB's 3 flagships (WPIX, KTLA, WGN) would be flagships. The unofficial current UPN CTZ flagship by ownership is KTXA, but they will become independent, so CBS will not own any CW affiliates in the Central (or even Mountain) Time Zones. I think I've made my point clear. ] 20:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

	::Now, you choose to answer me, but you choose to ignore the conflict we are currently having.

	::Not only that, you're not making any sense here...in fact, you missed my whole point. As I said, a "flagship station" is co-located where programming and/or program feeds originate from. The Original Big Three broadcast out of New York; Fox and WB (and I think UPN, and possibly CW in the fall) from Los Angeles; and "i" comes from West Palm Beach. It has never been, nor should it ever be, based on time zones or market size. So, your notion that WMAQ-TV is the "Central Time Zone" flagship of NBC, and that WPSG and KBHK-TV will be the "East Coast flagship" and "West Coast flagship" stations of the CW, respectively (and everything else in your response), hold absolutely no weight with me. ] 05:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

	I might start an article on TV flagships that addresses this question ... as I understand it, the assumption that a network's New York outlet is its flagship dates to the early days of television, when New York was a major production center and the New York stations originated a lot of programming. Ditto for why a network's LA station is usually considered the West Coast flagship.

	I don't consider i to be a real network--it has no OTA stations in at least three major markets (including mine, Charlotte) and is only on a low-powered station in another (Cincy).

	WPIX is owned by Tribune--part-owner of The WB (for a few more months anyway).] 15:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

	:Blueboy brings up a very good point about the early days of network tv, before the networks began offering various satellite feeds.

	:As I understand some of it, network feeds originated in New York and Los Angeles, with the New York portion serving the eastern half of the country and the Los Angeles portion covering the Pacific time zone. From what I recall (and I could be wrong about this), Mountain time zone stations would air the New York program feed on a two-hour delay, with Phoenix (from October to April) and Denver -- where there were no network O&Os back then -- being the main hubs. Arizona, which has never observed Daylight Savings time, would go with the Los Angeles feed for half of the year. Alaska and Hawaii would have their network programs recorded on the West Coast and then airmailed, where the programs (news being the exception) would air on a several-days-late tape delay.

	:I have pretty much dismissed all that CoolKatt number 99999 has had to say on pretty much anything. However, in this case he is (partially) right -- but his thinking is outdated. ] 16:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

	::I started an article on ]--feel free to throw in anything I missed. ] 16:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

	== Re:CoolKatt number 99999 ==

	What do you mean? --] \| ] 06:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
	:I am mostly only aware of what effect me, and that users constant adding of speculation to artciles, which i am in part to blame in that when the user first started doing it i did nothing, and his misrespentation of tv markets, with the inclusion of stations that are not in the DMA but calling them as such becuas thery are carried on one or severl cable systems and because the market does not have a affilate of it's own. Do what you want, i dont see anthing ever coming of the rfc, or of this situation. --] \| ] 05:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
	::FYI he is changing cat sort again, after this was discussed. --] \| ] 07:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

	== My response to... ==

	''All I'm doing is re-reverting his dumb edits. And now he wants to drag Boothy443 into our dispute, when all I did was revert one of Coolkatt's recent edits back to one done by Boothy. For further explanation on my reasons for this, read my talk page. ] 06:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)''

	My edits? Dumb? They most certainly are not dumb, if want to talk about dumb edits, click , , and . Also, Boothy443 has been reverting my edits as well, in case you have not noticed. ] 18:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

	::Your response is so devoid of reasoning, I'm not even going to give you the benefit of a rebuttal. Let the record speak for itself. ] 03:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
	:::"someone please stop CoolKatt...this is getting ridiculous" Actually, the person that needs stopping is ''you.'' Believe it or not, the Harrisburg info belongs in WPHL. Now, stop reverting my edits. I asked you in the past (in WTXF), now actually do it. ] 08:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

	== WCAU ==

	I was reverting edit, left by CK. It should have told be that their was an edit conflit. --] \| ] 08:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

	==Help on WPSG==
	Hey Rollo, I know you're trying to help out ... was wondering how my edits to ] were sloppy. I thought I was bringing up some important facts--1) that WGLV probably wouldn't have survived since the Philly stations had all moved their transmitters to Roxborough and added the Lehigh Valley to their city-grade coverage and 2) another commercial station wouldn't sign on from the Lehigh Valley until WFMZ in 1976. Plus, WPSG isn't an affiliate, it's an O&O--thought there was a big difference.

	Was hoping maybe you could give me some tips on how to make my edits less sloppy ... ] 14:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

	==Group W==
	Thanks for the tips on the ] article. I added in a more detailed explanation of the whole Westinghouse-CBS-NBC swap, but I was wondering why ] was even involved in the deal at all. ]'s involvement was obvious--NBC couldn't keep ], KCNC, and the former ] stations without going over the ownership limit ... but why KUTV? Haven't been able to find anything verifable on it. ] 18:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

	== Edit summaries ==

	You are getting more and more uncivil in your edit summaries. To be honest, you should NOT be even reverting my edits at all. Now, for the umpteenth time, STOP REVERTING MY EDITS!!!! It is considered vandalism if you keep reverting a particular person's edits (not including IP's), and you WILL get blocked if you continue to do so. Once again, I have reverted your vandalism of {{tl\|Springfield MA TV}}. ] 06:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
	:Oh, and while I am at it, I also reverted your vandalism of ]. ] 06:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Please stop referring to other editor's work on Misplaced Pages as vandalism. Thanks in advance, --<font color="#999fff">]</font> 19:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
	Dear Rollosmokes,
	I see you have left a long note on my userpage in re:my request to you to please stop referring to other users' edits as 'vandalism. I didn't bother to read it. I correctly predicted when I wrote the message that you would not reform, and instead say, "Well, here's what ''he did''". I don't care, and I'm again asking you ''not'' to violate wikipedia policy. The examples you've given are ''not'' examples of vandalism, so stop. Thanks in advance, --<font color="#999fff">]</font> 13:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)


	== Not vandalism... ==

	You are going too far in labeling my edits as vandalism. Stop doing that, and I will also stop labeling your edits as vandalism. ]

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