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==Requesting technical moves==
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=== Technical requests ===
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====Uncontroversial technical requests====
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* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Essex women's cricket team | 2 = Essex Women cricket team | discuss = | reason = Article was moved on 31 December and again on 9 January but had previously been part of a discussion on ] for which the decision was not to move the articles. I'm not able to move it back to it's original name | sig = ] (]) 21:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = Bcp67}}
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Template:NBL Arenas | 2 = Template:NBL arenas | discuss = | reason = change template name to sentence case per ]. | sig = ] (]) 17:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = Woko Sapien}}
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Template:TLLN TV | 2 = Template:Tyler–Longview TV | discuss = | reason = It'd be better for the names of the cities to be spelled out in the template title. | sig = ] (]) 16:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = 100.7.34.111}}
*:The full name of the DMR is "Tyler-Longview (Lufkin & Nacadoches)", but I think ] might be more succinct. <span class="nowrap">--] (])</span> 16:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


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* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Canada Permanent Trust Building | 2 = Canada Permanent Building | discuss = | reason = Name on facade is "Canada Permanent Building." Also, the building was home to two companies: the Canada Permanent Mortgage Corporation and its subsidiary the Canada Permanent Trust Company, both of which went under the "Canada Permanent" name. The use of the "Canada Permanent Building" name reflected this. See ]. | sig = ] (]) 20:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = Tsc9i8}}
::You and it was contested; a wag of the finger for bringing this to ] when you know that it's not uncontroversial. use "Canada Permanent Trust Building". ] (]) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Yes, guilty as charged. See the original literature on the building from 1930, where it is clearly called the "Canada Permanent Building." . ] (]) 19:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Magical Taruruto | 2 = Magical Taruruto-kun | discuss = | reason = The series has so many title variations that it's confusing, but the addition of the -kun suffix is the most common way the title is given throughout the internet and within the series' fandom. The anime, the bulk of the series' popularity, has never been officially available in the west, and the MangaPlanet release isn't as widely known. The archived Toei Animation external link includes numerous grammatical errors and the English website (both current and archived) have very inconsistent names for other titles and descriptions (Goldfish Warning! being Goldfish Forecast, for example). | sig = ] (]) 01:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = RetroNova}}
::@] This article has been moved seven times in the past, including away from the title you're proposing. This means the move is not uncontroversial and cannot be performed here without discussion. Please open a full ] by clicking the blue "discuss" button right above your comment. ] </span>]] 09:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Nakhichevan Khanate | 2 = Nakhchivan Khanate | discuss = | reason = The name of this khanate in 1747-1828 was Nakhchivan, while the name of the khanate indicated in the current title was formed after the transition under the control of the Russian Empire in 1828. Considering the fact that we are talking about a khanate that existed from 1747 to 1828, it would be correct to use the name "Nakhchivan Khanate" that corresponds to the original name of that period of time. | sig = ] (]) 14:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = Egl7}}
*:This is not uncontroversial at all. ] (]) 15:14, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Timing belt (camshaft) | 2 = Timing belt | discuss = | reason = This is the ] of that term with more than double the page views of the article ']' (also known as 'timing belt'. | sig = ] (]; ]) 06:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = PK2}}
:: @] Looking at the page history, it has been moved in the opposite direction before so a full RM would be required to determine consensus for the move. ]<sup>]</sup> 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::See also at ]. ] (]) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Rest House | 2 = Rest House (film) | discuss = | reason = This page was originally created at ], but was moved as the page ] did not then exist. However, I believe this was done incorrectly, as the page ] should redirect to ], these two terms being synonyms. Most people who search wikipedia for the term "Rest House" are likely to seeking information on lodging, rather than infomation about a more than 50 year old movie. I propose to move the current page and have the main page redirect to ]. | sig = ] (]) 06:44, 7 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = Lawrencekhoo}}
:: @] Wanting to move the page away for a ] is not uncontroversial and is going to need a full RM. ]<sup>]</sup> 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::] currently redirects to ]. See ]. ] (]) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Public good (economics) | 2 = Public good | discuss = | reason = As primary topic, and per ]—no need for a disambiguation page. | sig = ] (]) 18:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = Closed Limelike Curves}}
*: This probably deserves a full discussion. ] ] 18:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
*::{{Reply|Closed Limelike Curves}} This move is ], so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue). ]&nbsp;] 07:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Lufthansa | 2 = Lufthansa Group | discuss = | reason = the current trading name of Deutsche Lufthansa AG has been known as Lufthansa Group and mainly serves together as a trading brand of all its branches e.g Swiss and Austrian Airlines. The name Lufthansa mainly refers to its mainline airline subsidiary Lufthansa German Airlines, which is a parallel branch to its sister companies, there’s a need to differ these two from the others since they do have fairly different meanings | sig = ] (]) 14:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = Yuezhi Huang}}
*:Relevant merge discussion: ] - not a very large number of participants, and consensus for the merge doesn't seem to strongly favor the title choice versus Lufthansa Group (although one response notes difficulty locating the actual legal entity entitled as such) - I don't see any reason to block this unless anybody else has a strong opinion, however, the actual ownership structure for this entity seems a little complex. I can see arguments for ] favoring the current title, we would need to analyze the large number of sources to identify which is the common name, which might be tricky due to multiple topics for "Lufthansa" ] 15:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
*::I would definitely contest this move. Lufthansa is a major internationally-known airline and if the participants in that merge discussion didn't discuss whether the title should be Lufthansa or Lufthansa Group, that's probably because it was very obvious that the ] is the one that should prevail. As was also noted in the merge discussion, it's hard to delineate a clear separation between the different entities involved, such as parent company Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Lufthansa Group. If, as the nom suggests, there's really a case for treating the group owning the Swiss and Austrian Airlines separately, then the solution would be to reverse the merge that was carried out in 2022. But what should not happen in my view, and which is certainly controversial, is to move the article away from ], leaving the latter as a redirect, given that it's one of the most widely known airline names in the world. Cheers &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;] (]) 15:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::Thanks, I can stop trying to dig through the sources now as it's giving me a headache. I'll move this to contested - @] if you wish to proceed, you can click the "discuss" link above, fill in your rationale and click "publish" to open a discussion. ] 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
*:::According to the Lufthansa Group website, the LHG is doing business as Lufthansa Aktie or Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA.XE), none of the wholly owned subsidiaries are doing business separately. To my conclusion, LHG = Deutsche Lufthansa AG = Lufthansa Aktie, Lufthansa however, refers to the wholly owned network airline “Lufthansa Airlines”, which is a parallel subsidiary just like Swiss and Austrian Airlines, a fairly distinct difference is given on the LHG website, as these two have completely different structures and management boards. Therefore I think the best solution is to reverse the merger of “Lufthansa Group” and “Lufthansa” articles which was done in 2022, and give each of them a clear definition of the difference between “Airline Group” and “Airline”. Cheers! ] (]) 15:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Also note that the ] and ] guidelines do not force us ignore the company's real name in its official paperwork. It's just a matter of an article title that is comprehensible to the ordinary WP user. For example, we have an article called ] rather than the officially correct "International Business Machines Corporation". ---<span style="font-family: Calibri">]<small> (]&#124;]) </small></span> 19:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
* {{RMassist/core | 1 = Reduce (computer algebra system) | 2 = REDUCE (computer algebra system) | discuss = | reason = Capitalize REDUCE for consistency and to agree with REDUCE documentation | sig = ] (]) 15:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | requester = F J Wright}}
*:Typically our titles are written in sentence case (]), two exceptions I can think of would be ], which I don't think applies here (not seeing any coverage of the choice of the name REDUCE or whether it stands for anything, but maybe I'm missing it) or if it's very consistently used in sources in its uppercase form, but the only source we really have on the page is Sourceforge so it would be hard to say. ] 17:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:: @] I think we need more sources (in this case, showing a preference to use the uppercase title in running text) to go forward with this, and for the article in general. ] 18:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)


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You previously requested this in July 2024 and it was contested; a wag of the finger for bringing this to WP:RMT when you know that it's not uncontroversial. Reliable sources use "Canada Permanent Trust Building". 162 etc. (talk) 22:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes, guilty as charged. See the original literature on the building from 1930, where it is clearly called the "Canada Permanent Building." RAIC Journal May 1930. Tsc9i8 (talk) 19:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Magical Taruruto  Magical Taruruto-kun (currently a redirect back to Magical Taruruto) (move · discuss) – The series has so many title variations that it's confusing, but the addition of the -kun suffix is the most common way the title is given throughout the internet and within the series' fandom. The anime, the bulk of the series' popularity, has never been officially available in the west, and the MangaPlanet release isn't as widely known. The archived Toei Animation external link includes numerous grammatical errors and the English website (both current and archived) have very inconsistent names for other titles and descriptions (Goldfish Warning! being Goldfish Forecast, for example). RetroNova (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
@RetroNova This article has been moved seven times in the past, including away from the title you're proposing. This means the move is not uncontroversial and cannot be performed here without discussion. Please open a full requested move discussion by clicking the blue "discuss" button right above your comment. Toadspike 09:11, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
@PK2 Looking at the page history, it has been moved in the opposite direction before so a full RM would be required to determine consensus for the move. cyberdog958 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
See also last year's RM at Toothed belt. 162 etc. (talk) 16:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
@Lawrencekhoo Wanting to move the page away for a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT is not uncontroversial and is going to need a full RM. cyberdog958 07:54, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Rest house currently redirects to guest house. See WP:DIFFCAPS. 162 etc. (talk) 16:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Public good (economics)  Public good (move · discuss) – As primary topic, and per WP:1OTHER—no need for a disambiguation page. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:17, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    This probably deserves a full discussion. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
    @Closed Limelike Curves: This move is potentially controversial, so it would require a requested-move discussion, which you can begin by clicking "discuss" on your request. You can remove this request after opening a discussion (or if you do not want to continue). SilverLocust 💬 07:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
  • Lufthansa  Lufthansa Group (currently a redirect back to Lufthansa) (move · discuss) – the current trading name of Deutsche Lufthansa AG has been known as Lufthansa Group and mainly serves together as a trading brand of all its branches e.g Swiss and Austrian Airlines. The name Lufthansa mainly refers to its mainline airline subsidiary Lufthansa German Airlines, which is a parallel branch to its sister companies, there’s a need to differ these two from the others since they do have fairly different meanings Yuezhi Huang (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    Relevant merge discussion: Special:Diff/1089819725#Scope of this article and Lufthansa Group - not a very large number of participants, and consensus for the merge doesn't seem to strongly favor the title choice versus Lufthansa Group (although one response notes difficulty locating the actual legal entity entitled as such) - I don't see any reason to block this unless anybody else has a strong opinion, however, the actual ownership structure for this entity seems a little complex. I can see arguments for WP:CONCISE favoring the current title, we would need to analyze the large number of sources to identify which is the common name, which might be tricky due to multiple topics for "Lufthansa" ASUKITE 15:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    I would definitely contest this move. Lufthansa is a major internationally-known airline and if the participants in that merge discussion didn't discuss whether the title should be Lufthansa or Lufthansa Group, that's probably because it was very obvious that the WP:COMMONNAME is the one that should prevail. As was also noted in the merge discussion, it's hard to delineate a clear separation between the different entities involved, such as parent company Deutsche Lufthansa AG and Lufthansa Group. If, as the nom suggests, there's really a case for treating the group owning the Swiss and Austrian Airlines separately, then the solution would be to reverse the merge that was carried out in 2022. But what should not happen in my view, and which is certainly controversial, is to move the article away from Lufthansa, leaving the latter as a redirect, given that it's one of the most widely known airline names in the world. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    Thanks, I can stop trying to dig through the sources now as it's giving me a headache. I'll move this to contested - @Yuezhi Huang if you wish to proceed, you can click the "discuss" link above, fill in your rationale and click "publish" to open a discussion. ASUKITE 15:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
    According to the Lufthansa Group website, the LHG is doing business as Lufthansa Aktie or Deutsche Lufthansa AG (LHA.XE), none of the wholly owned subsidiaries are doing business separately. To my conclusion, LHG = Deutsche Lufthansa AG = Lufthansa Aktie, Lufthansa however, refers to the wholly owned network airline “Lufthansa Airlines”, which is a parallel subsidiary just like Swiss and Austrian Airlines, a fairly distinct difference is given on the LHG website, as these two have completely different structures and management boards. Therefore I think the best solution is to reverse the merger of “Lufthansa Group” and “Lufthansa” articles which was done in 2022, and give each of them a clear definition of the difference between “Airline Group” and “Airline”. Cheers! Yuezhi Huang (talk) 15:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Also note that the WP:CONCISE and WP:COMMONNAME guidelines do not force us ignore the company's real name in its official paperwork. It's just a matter of an article title that is comprehensible to the ordinary WP user. For example, we have an article called IBM rather than the officially correct "International Business Machines Corporation". ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
@F J Wright I think we need more sources (in this case, showing a preference to use the uppercase title in running text) to go forward with this, and for the article in general. ASUKITE 18:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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