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==According to the sources==
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I have removed some POV statements which were not present in the sources and replaced with the same terms used by the sources. I would like to invite you all to write statements which are already present in the sources and avoid personal research.--] (]) 10:38, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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== Potential sources ==
] (] …]) 17:48, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


These are some sources that Montanabw had put on the talk page that got shifted to the archive. I think at least one of these might already be in the article, but wanted to bring them here anyway:
== Hopefully moving on ... ==
* http://www.thehorse.com/articles/31929/study-pasturing-stallions-together-is-possible
* http://www.thehorse.com/articles/25663/pasturing-stallions-together-can-work-says-study
* http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0054688


Plus, starting to list some here that I have found as I stumbled around the internet this morning:
IP's DRN request has been "closed as unproductive". Final tirade accuses me of trying to "out" the IP, who seems to misunderstand a heads-up ] note (not placed by me in any event) as "outing" or "attempted outing". I think (sadly) that the extent of ] in this case is something that no amount of words or reason/ing can change. It's "beyond reason" in the truest sense of the phrase. Just a case now of keeping eyes open, and getting on with building an encyclopaedia! There's an outside chance that I may be able to get some footage of our naturally-managed stallions in this area to upload to Commons, which would be a better long-term move in case the video footage and pictures of naturally-managed stallions disappear from the other site at any point. ] (] …]) 19:48, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:A thought has just occurred to me: it seems more than likely that the IP didn't realise that ] refers to a breed of pony, and not just to the geographical area of the same name. To the best of my knowledge, the site the IP was objecting to is managed by a breed-society member who doesn't actually live in the geographical area of the New Forest. ] (] …]) 14:17, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


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== Archiving ==


More to come. I plan to start working on the Reproductive anatomy and Gelding sections later today, if anyone else wants to start taking a stab at the other sections. ] (]) 13:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Probably time to set up an auto-archive box on this article. ]<sup>]</sup> 00:31, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
:Done! ] <small>]</small> 00:36, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


:Read ] before you edit that section here, don't need to do a lot on geldings on this side, IMHO. I'm also rather hesitant to use a 1982 article except where we can't find anything more recent; I'd keep if for backup. The Horse has a ton more articles, search on "stallion" and there will be another half-dozen relevant hits, many linked to the peer-reviewed studies. ]<sup>]</sup> 07:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
== Bachelor herd research ==
::Yup, what I did yesterday is pretty much all I'm planning to do in the Gelding section - just referencing and a bit of minor expansion it places where it directly concerned stallions. There is one place that I dropped a cn tag that I couldn't find a ref for. I ''know'' it's true, but I couldn't find it in even the horses-for-dummies books that I have. The 1982 source was just something I stumbled across while looking for something else. It might be fun to use to show that the research into stallion dominance goes back over 30 years, but I'm not fussed if it's used or not. The Horse has a ton of stuff, true - that was where I found most (all?) of my sources yesterday for the unsourced bits in the Gelding section. ] (]) 13:08, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


== Henry VII ==
this is interesting, parking for future integration into the article: ]<sup>]</sup> 16:25, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


:The term "stallion" dates from the era of ], who passed a number of laws relating to the breeding and export of horses in an attempt to improve the British stock, under which it was forbidden to allow uncastrated male horses to be turned out in fields or on the ]; they had to be "kept within bounds and tied in ]." (The term "stallion" for an uncastrated male horse dates from this time; stallion = stalled one.)<ref name=Wortley541-2>{{citation| last = Wortley Axe|first=J| title = The Horse&nbsp;– Its Treatment in Health And Disease| publisher = Hewlett Press| location =| year = 2008| pages = 541–542| isbn = 978-1-4437-7540-3}}</ref>
*http://www.thehorse.com/articles/31929/study-pasturing-stallions-together-is-possible?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=breeding&utm_campaign=06-14-2013
This is not what the ''Oxford English Dictionary'' says. It says that the word derives from Old French ''estalon'' (modern French ''étalon''), which is related to stalls and that the earliest mention in English is c 1305, long before Henry VII.--] (]) 05:35, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
*http://www.thehorse.com/articles/25663/pasturing-stallions-together-can-work-says-study
*http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0054688


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== Hopefully moving on - to a more objective and correct (true) article... ==

This article is (in part very heavily) biased and non-neutral in favor of medically needless castration of male horses. It is biased because the majority of female Misplaced Pages-editors here, who dominate the discussion what goes into this article and what not, are castrato-users, (ab)use male horses as castratos, with a heavy personal interest and involvement in needless castration (= severe sexual mutilation) of male horses for riding and other human pleasures.
There are many false references about how castrating would supposedly be good, where it's not, where it would make male animals "happier", etc. and that natural keeping of intact male horse were difficult, unnatural or otherwise not practical or good for all male horses. My points I made about this article all along (2 years ago). My points were all proven by the article of the Swiss National Stud featured on www.plosone.org). - Mark <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Well, you look like our old friend User IP 83.78.114.68, with a new IP. You were ] then and you are still ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 06:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

::To the IP above: Your best bet is to deal with specifics in the article -to deal with the edits and actual content with weight per mainstream sources- rather than assume motive on the part of the editors. (] (]) 13:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC))
:::Per the talk section above, there is some mainstream research that passes WP:RS and WP:V on pasturing stallions together as a "bachelor herd," which is already mentioned i passing in the article. I posted the links and have not ever had the time to integrate them; I'd have no objections if someone wanted to put together a short section with those links as sources and an NPOV tone, it could be added to expand the 5th paragraph of ]. That would actually be useful. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:02, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

:To the IP: any more gender-based attacks like the one you've made above and you can expect to be blocked. You exhausted the patience of other editors two years ago and displayed a clearly misogynistic agenda. Please don't try again. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 13:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

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According to the sources

I have removed some POV statements which were not present in the sources and replaced with the same terms used by the sources. I would like to invite you all to write statements which are already present in the sources and avoid personal research.--Agnello inferocito (talk) 10:38, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Potential sources

These are some sources that Montanabw had put on the talk page that got shifted to the archive. I think at least one of these might already be in the article, but wanted to bring them here anyway:

Plus, starting to list some here that I have found as I stumbled around the internet this morning:

More to come. I plan to start working on the Reproductive anatomy and Gelding sections later today, if anyone else wants to start taking a stab at the other sections. Dana boomer (talk) 13:53, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Read Gelding before you edit that section here, don't need to do a lot on geldings on this side, IMHO. I'm also rather hesitant to use a 1982 article except where we can't find anything more recent; I'd keep if for backup. The Horse has a ton more articles, search on "stallion" and there will be another half-dozen relevant hits, many linked to the peer-reviewed studies. Montanabw 07:48, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Yup, what I did yesterday is pretty much all I'm planning to do in the Gelding section - just referencing and a bit of minor expansion it places where it directly concerned stallions. There is one place that I dropped a cn tag that I couldn't find a ref for. I know it's true, but I couldn't find it in even the horses-for-dummies books that I have. The 1982 source was just something I stumbled across while looking for something else. It might be fun to use to show that the research into stallion dominance goes back over 30 years, but I'm not fussed if it's used or not. The Horse has a ton of stuff, true - that was where I found most (all?) of my sources yesterday for the unsourced bits in the Gelding section. Dana boomer (talk) 13:08, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Henry VII

The term "stallion" dates from the era of Henry VII, who passed a number of laws relating to the breeding and export of horses in an attempt to improve the British stock, under which it was forbidden to allow uncastrated male horses to be turned out in fields or on the commons; they had to be "kept within bounds and tied in stalls." (The term "stallion" for an uncastrated male horse dates from this time; stallion = stalled one.)

This is not what the Oxford English Dictionary says. It says that the word derives from Old French estalon (modern French étalon), which is related to stalls and that the earliest mention in English is c 1305, long before Henry VII.--Jack Upland (talk) 05:35, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. Wortley Axe, J (2008), The Horse – Its Treatment in Health And Disease, Hewlett Press, pp. 541–542, ISBN 978-1-4437-7540-3
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