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== regarding request to remove Eren's motives ==
== Jaeger or Yeager? ==
{{discussion top|1=We're using "Yeager"—] (]) 05:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)}}
What is Eren's actually surname in english? Jaeger(German for "Hunter") or Yeager(American transcription of Jaeger)?--] (]) 11:23, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
: blog post by Kodansha claims it is "Jaeger", but according to edit, it's "Yeager". I don't own the manga, so I can't provide further input. ー]<sup>]]</sup> 12:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
::I think i'll change it to Jaeger since that's what Crunchyroll is using.--] (]) 05:38, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
:::It's like asking "It's Titan or Eothens?".] ] 20:14, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
::::<s>My suggestion is that it should be ]. That article seems fairly self-explanatory. Especially the bit of it being a common German surname. The author may have been going for a German naming theme since some of the other characters also follow this trend.</s> ー]<sup>]</sup> 16:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
:In the english manga edition the aftername of Eren is called ''Eren Yeager''. In the german manga edition it is called ''Jäger'', which means ''Hunter'' in english. In some subtitled anime version it is called ''Jaeger'', which is the same like Jäger, because you can write ae for ä. The english transcription of Yeager instead of Jaeger was probably choosen because most english speakers don´t know the correct german pronunciation of the umlaut ä = ae, which is similiar to the pronunciation of the english word Yeah, which sounds like Jäh in german.


Starting a new thread to reach a consensus on if the plot summary should remove the part explaining Eren's motives. This thread is a followup to https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Attack_on_Titan#regarding_Eren's_motives
:You can find the name of ''Eren Yeager'' in the english manga version in the "" of the "''Attack on Titan 2''" at Amazon.com.
I recommend anyone participating in this thread read that thread first.
:--] (]) 18:07, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Basically, I believe that Eren's true motives are too subjective to be included in the plot summary.
I requested that


"After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. His death also releases memory blocks that he put on his friends, revealing that what transpired was part of Eren's plan to spare twenty percent of humanity, with Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others being recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia."
::This is an obsolete discussion and probably should be removed. "Yeager" was the agreed upon consensus below. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
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be changed to
== Shingeki no Kyojin: Before the Fall (Light Novel) ==
Just found out about a Light Novel about the series exists. Written by Suzukaze Ryo and illustrated by Thores Shibamoto it is set before the events of the manga. Book's available on amazon<ref>http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/406375202X</ref>, English synopsis can be found online<ref>http://forums.mangafox.me/threads/429236-Novel-Shingeki-no-Kyojin-Before-the-fall</ref>.


"After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers appears, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia."
Info about the Novel should be added to the article about ], but I don't feel knowledgeable enough to edit it in :] (]) 16:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
(I also changed added the word "appears" before the first comma since the original implies Levi killed the source, which he did not)
:I went ahead and added the information with a citation. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:29, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
User @]said "There is a lot of interpretation to be had and its going to be opinionated of course. Regardless of what Eren wanted, he knew what was going to happen. See the part of quoted text "Even if I didn't know that you'd stop me..." He knew he would be stopped, and regardless of him wanting this or that, he kept going along the path that ended up with some people being spared. Maybe the text could be reworded, because while yes its true it wasn't his desire for 20% of world to be spared, he intended for that to happen."
::The side bar info thing for the manga adaptation isn't really correct. Ryō Suzukaze isn't the author, as he's not the one drafting it. So it should be changed to Satoshi Shiki. -] 06:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)


My response to that is that it is unclear where Eren's will ends and his future vision begins, so I'm not sure if he can say what his intent is. Still, I concede that 80% of humanity being killed and Armin and friends becoming heroes is worth a mention, so I propose a new edit:
== Spelling issues ==
"After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers appears, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. His death also releases memory blocks that he put on his friends, revealing that eighty percent of humanity has been killed in the rumbling, and that Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others will be recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia." ] (]) 03:14, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
{{discussion top|1=We're going with Kodansha's spellings, "Yeager", "Zoë Hange", and "Levi".—] (]) 05:46, 19 August 2013 (UTC)}}
:{{xt|My response to that is that it is unclear where Eren's will ends and his future vision begins, so I'm not sure if he can say what his intent is.}} I'm not saying go into his will or add anything about that, I don't want to change/add anything in. He said "Even if I didn't know that you'd stop me" , he knew he would be stopped. Your version of text removes that plot point from the summary. If you want to change it from Eren's plan, to Eren's vision that he carried out/let happen or something than that's an option, but I feel plan is simpler and works. ]''']'''] 12:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
For the past several <s>weeks</s> months there have been issues regarding exactly how we should be spelling Eren's surname ''Yēgā'' in English. This is compounded by the fact that the two companies handling localization are spelling the names completely differently. The manga by Kodansha USA uses "Yeager" and the subtitled anime by Funimation (posted on Crunchyroll) uses "Jaeger". Which spelling has precedence over the other? Which one should we use on Misplaced Pages?
:Also to add from 139, (wording depending on the translation), Armin says "It was all... ...to push us away from you... ...and make us into heroes who saved humanity from extinction by hunting you down?", Eren replies "...That's right." Armin ask if this was his plan, and Eren says yes. ]''']'''] 12:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
::Since you bring that up, I think it's necessary to view what is happening in that scene. We do not see the conversation that occurs prior to the start of chapter, so we do not know exactly what Eren told Armin. It is possible that the idea of Eren doing the rumbling purely for his friends was an assumption Armin made. Regardless, when Armin asks Eren if he did it for them, Eren says "that's right," however when Eren says this, his eyes are looking down, not at Armin, which may indicate that he is lying. Then when Armin questions Eren further on this, instead of answering, Eren changes the subject.
::Keeping what Eren says later in this chapter, along with what he said in 131, in mind, it looks to me like Eren is too ashamed to admit to his true motive here, but he also cannot lie to his friend, so he changes the subject to avoid this confrontation.
::Later in the chapter, after Eren breaks down and cries in front of Armin, he says "how... could I ever be forgiven...?" Here it seems like Eren does not view his own actions as morally justifiable. Right after this Eren confesses to Armin that he truly wanted to do the rumbling.
::What it looks like to me is that after breaking down in front of Armin, Eren is now comfortable disclosing his shameful true motive, since he has already embarrassed himself, and what he says here effectively overrides what he said at the beginning of the chapter.
::Even if you do not view it this way, the beginning of 139 is really the only evidence that Eren did the rumbling for any noble means. There is more evidence to suggest the contrary, not all of which I have brought up, but I will if you need me to.
::If you see it necessary for the summary to mention Eren seeing the future, so be it, but I do not wish for it to imply that Eren started the rumbling for this reason. Try to avoid using the word "plan." ] (]) 18:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
:::We aren't saying he did it for noble means, and no one is trying to word article to imply it was morally justifiable, he did it for his own personal preference. But that isn't the point, I do not want to speculate or analyze the manga, evidence across chapters won't help. Combining things from chapters to come to any conclusions is ], If no reliable sources support the theory then just leave as is verbatim summary sourced from the manga without opinions/speculations. ]''']'''] 20:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
::::I agree that my interpretation cannot be backed up under Misplaced Pages’s rules, but neither can the interpretation that the way things turned out was Eren’s plan from the beginning.
::::All I want at this point is for the word “plan” to be taken out, and for the text to not imply that Levi killed the source.
::::(I deleted the previous reply to this because I accidentally sent it while not logged in) ] (]) 21:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
::@]since you have not responded for about a week, can we go forward in removing use of the word "plan," and making it clear that Levi did not kill the source. ] (]) 19:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
:::I reworded sentence so it didn't imply Levi killed the source, and it was more a result of Eren's death. I already responded multiple times about the word plan. Its the simplest way to describe it, but if you have a better way to describe it without removing the the fact Eren confirms it when Armins verbatim if everything was to make them heroes and he says yes. We are over analyzng and theorizing way too much, let a secondary RS do that. If we using the manga as a primary source, we just need to summarize what happened without adding opinions to it. I feel the article already does/did that fine with current wording. ]''']'''] 21:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
::::"His death also releases memory blocks that he put on his friends, revealing that what transpired was part of the future Eren saw where eighty percent of humanity is killed, with Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others being recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling." ] (]) 01:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 22 August 2023 ==
A similar issue arises with ''Hanji Zoe'', who is called "Zoë Hange" by Kodansha USA and I'm assuming "Hanji Zoe" by Funimation. Also ''Rivai'' with the choices being "Levi" or "Rivaille" (again I'm not sure which is found in which).


{{edit semi-protected|Attack on Titan|answered=yes}}
We need to come to a concrete solution as to how we write these names because it is just getting annoying when someone comes along and is used to one of the other forms and changes everything without discussion. This was a problem with FonFon Alseif and now with a new anon IP.—] (]) 06:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
idk i saw a bunch of changes that were needed to make through grammarly so editors can just do that or smth idk ] (]) 12:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
:Ok, first thing first. I don't like the way you accuse me on my user page of playing around with Eren's surname by claiming i had two people changing it back and forth on the Attack on Titan article. I only do my wikipedia edits at my home PC and was away at work when this happen. So i'm not sure how i can be responsible when i just got back from work and these two people you mentioned are from two different countries according to their IP addresses so there it's unlikely they knew each other. Secondly, you claim i just open this section now to discuss this topic after what these two people earlier did when in reality this section has always existed since '''April 20, 2013'''. I have already repeatedly ask you to come to the Attack on Titan Talk page so we discuss about the topic with other users of how should Eren's surname be spelled on this article. Yet you ignored me and didn't bothered to discuss about this topic until now. --] (]) 08:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> ] <span style="color:#f535aa">(] • ])</span>''' 14:38, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
::'''Two separate people decided to use "Yeager" in the past two weeks'''. and '''do not reformat my comments to connect this discussion with the last one that did not have any sort of conclusion without my permission'''. I will not allow you to reformat my comments to suit whatever you want. And '''I am not claiming that you are two separate IP addresses'''. I stated that myself and one of the IP addresses have both went with Kodansha's spelling forms, and then you changed it back, and then we reverted, and you reverted it again. And as this goes beyond Yeager vs. Jaeger, it is best we discuss this in a new thread. But let's not dwell on this meta bullshit any longer.
::So, '''as I initially intended with this new thread''', which set of spellings we should be using? Kodansha's Yeager, Rivaille, Zoë Hange, etc., or Funimation/Crunchyroll's Jaeger, Levi, Hanji Zoe, etc. Both are official. Both have equal levels of usage amongst reliable sources (as they are the only reliable sources really). And we cannot base our decision on which the fandom prefers over the other.—] (]) 08:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
:::First, i want to apologize for earlier since i had a bad day and then i read your message and thought you were accusing me of trying to play around with the article by pretending or hiring someone else which made me upset. Now that i have cool off i realize i had no right to be angry with you during that time when i should have read carefully so i'm sorry. As for your inquiry why did i change the edits on the surname, until there is consensus among everyone over how should we call the main character's surname, the name will stay unchanged for the time being. Now i have to go somewhere to treat my headache so i'm might not be available during this discussion. --] (]) 14:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
::::Thank you. And this goes beyond Jaeger/Yeager so we need to have some sort of discussion as to whether or not we go with Kodansha or Funimation.—] (]) 14:29, 25 July 2013 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2023 ==
These are just some brainstorming suggestions so feel free to shoot them down.


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*Until this matter can come to some kind of concrete agreement can't we temporarily use the naming schemes for which ever company first started releasing the media into the English-speaking world whether it be the manga by Kodansha or the anime by Funimation. We may be able to avoid or at least dampen the extent to which the names are changed.
It still states here that the manga has been sold 120 million copies as of September 2023.
*CR is streaming the series as well although I don't know what names they use since I don't watch their subs of this anime. But if they use the same names as Kodansha ''OR'' Funimation and not both in a mixed mesh, we could go with those names since they'd most likely be the most popular ones in the English-speaking world. I think I recall this somewhere in the MoS although I may be remembering wrongly. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
:Kodansha has apparently started first with "Yeager" and "Zoe Hange" etc. but people really like the fan scanlations and fansubs' translations which is causing problems. I can't watch Crunchyroll or Funimation over here so I can't test this.—] (]) 15:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


As of 29th of November 2023, the manga has sold 140 million copies.


Source: https://x.com/shingeki_fly/status/1729802961344200984?s=46&t=UzvPDi6hCOEx7zs_pQsUpw ] (]) 10:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
Well, essentially the question is "Which translation is 'more correct'?" Obviously Eren's last name comes from the German word "Jäger," as was previously stated, which would be the "most correct" translation. According to the Misplaced Pages page on "Ä," however, "ae" is an appropriate substitute for "Ä" in countries that don't have "Ä" in their alphabet in the same way that "ue" is an appropriate substitute for "Ü" (Führer vs. Fuehrer, for example). In my opinion, anyone using "Yeager" is just being stubborn because they read the manga; it's like arguing that Zoro from ''One Piece'' should be spelled "Zolo" because that's how it was in the first volume of the manga (or even more, I don't know, I never read past that), when in reality "Zoro" is the "more correct" translation. Basically what I'm getting at is it should either be spelled "Jäger" (because that's the original German word), or it should be "Jaeger" (because it's considered an appropriate substitute of the spelling for foreign languages). There is little to no reason to be using "Yeager." Those arguing for "Yeager" are arguing for the "original version" of the text, which just goes against them since "Yeager" isn't the original word. It's a stupid argument, and quite frankly "Yeager" looks stupid. Kodansha even used "Jaeger" on one of their announcements on their site --] (]) 16:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> Per ], ] is not a reliable source. ] (]) 10:22, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
:Apparently in printed copies it is different, and "Eren Yeager" is used in the English volumes. "Jaeger" is used by Crunchyroll. We need to determine which has greater preference.—] (]) 16:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:In June, the official Japanese Twitter account for the manga posted stating that the official English forms are "Eren Yeager", "Mikasa Ackerman", "Armin Arlert", and "Levi".—] (]) 16:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
::Two things: I should've worded it better in my argument that it does not matter what the ''official'' English version is, what matter is the ''correct and intended'' English version. If the author wrote it using a German word that was then transcribed into Japanese characters, wouldn't you just write it in German with the original Latin characters when translating it back into English? It honestly just doesn't make sense to me. And secondly, I thought most people here in the Talk section already expressed their preference in "Jaeger." --] (]) 16:35, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
::Like KirtZJ said, we should get someone who watches the show on Funimation's website to see what translation they are using for the names and use them for this Misplaced Pages. Even if it doesn't match what the official Japanese Twitter said, we will have to use the Funimation version just like how Detective Conan is called Case Closed over here and the main character's name is Jimmy Kudo even though his actually name in Detective Conan is Shinichi Kudo.--] (]) 16:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Zanzors, no. The official English version takes precedence over anything else because your "''correct and intended'' English version" is in violation of ]. While we can postulate that Hajime Isayama was thinking of the German word "Jäger" when coming up with Eren's surname, we cannot state this without a reliable source that points this out. Additionally, it cannot be used as it is not the most ] in ]. Right now, this is a toss up between "Yeager", announced by the official Japanese Twitter and in use in print by Kodansha USA in their translation of the manga, or "Jaeger", allegedly used by Crunchyroll and Funimation in their subtitles of the anime. As I am currently in Japan I cannot determine this myself. Also, this particular page's preference for "Jaeger" does not trump ].
:::FonFon Alseif, that would be useful to see what they are using, but it still should not be the final decision in whether or not Misplaced Pages uses "Yeager" or "Jaeger". The fact that "''Meitantei Konan''" is known as "Case Closed" in English is not the same, because at no point in its history was it known as "Detective Conan" in English releases. Again, ] rules here, and we have to determine which is more prevalent or which should be chosen according to Misplaced Pages guidelines and policies.—] (]) 16:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
::::Crunchyroll and Funimation ''do'' both use "Jaeger," I can confirm this as I watch the Crunchyroll version and just watched the Funimation version on Hulu. I just wanted to confirm this so you can no longer make your side look somehow more reasonable by being able to call it "alleged." So we have one official source using "Yeager" but has also used "Jaeger" in an announcement, and two official sources using only "Jaeger." "The official English version takes precedence over anything else..." that's why I've been rooting for "Jaeger," because two official sources use it, but I know you're just gonna throw out the "manga coming first" thing at me, so seriously pay attention: two official sources both use Jaeger, one official source is known to primarily use "Yeager," but has also been seen using "Jaeger." Not only this, but his last name is based on the German word for "Hunter" and "Jäger" and "Jaeger" would be the two versions of the name to fit this. Since both Crunchyroll and Funimation both use "Jaeger" and it is an accepted version in which to write "Jäger," I say it's only logical to use "Jaeger." From my understanding, it is a very small minority of people who use "Yeager." It's like I said before with the whole "Zoro" and "Zolo" thing; "Zoro" is both officially used as well as correct to use despite the fact that the official manga version uses "Zolo." --] (]) 17:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::Okay, so we have the official anime subs going with "Jaeger" and the English manga and Japanese sources going with "Yeager". However, we cannot use any of the knowledge that we know it's derived from the German "Jäger" in our decision because that's ]. And yes, "Yeager" was in official use first. Now ] decides which has more precedence.
:::::However, we still have the "Levi"/"Rivaille" issue (the tweet uses "Levi") and the "Zoë Hange"/"Hanji Zoe" issue ("Zoë Hange" is in print with Kodansha).—] (]) 17:24, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
::::::Levi. Just Levi. As in Levi's jeans. The Japanese characters in both Levi's jean and Levi's name are the same. I have no idea who ever came up with Rivaille. It doesn't sound like a name but some misspelling of Ravioli. Even in the anime, everyone calls him '''Levi'''. And now about "Zoë Hange"/"Hanji Zoe", now this is just weird. I have no idea where Kodansha USA said her name is Zoë Hange/Zoe Hanji since Hange/Hanji is her given name and her name in Japanese is written in western order: given name and surname, and almost every site that reviews/watches/talks about the series calls her Hange Zoë/Hanji Zoe. Even the anime calls her name that way. This could be a mistake in their part.--] (]) 14:30, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
::::::I looked at the Japanese Misplaced Pages article and they have her name written as Hange/Hanji Zoe. I'm guessing this way (putting the "Hange/Hanji" before the "Zoe") to write her name was intentional, regardless of which name (given or family) they refer to her in the anime/manga. So now we should probably move on to figure out the correct spelling.
::::::One other thing, it's probably just me but for some reason the word "Rivaille" reminds me of the way the romaji for "Levi" may supposed to sound like. This probably makes no sense, I just thought I'd throw that out there even though I agree with the name "Levi".]<sup>]</sup> 14:49, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Kodansha USA uses "Zoë Hange" instead of "Hanji Zoe". That's all I'm aware of. And upon further thought it really shouldn't be "Rivaille" as that would be "Rivaiyu" in Japanese. However, Kodansha USA's Tumblr seems to use "Hange Zoe" as a tag .—] (]) 17:12, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
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== Technology == == Themes section? ==


Should we include a themes section including the themes of the story, including the meaning of the tree at the end? ] (]) 02:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
I would like to talk about the recent edition of this article. Anonymous person changed the first line, stating that ''Humanity didn't devolve the story is based in the 8th century''. Meanwhile, people on the Internet seem to disagree - for example: "How they developed the 3-D maneuver gear, railroads or even gunpowder (and guns)"? What is the official statement of show creators about the timeline and AoT universe's technology?
:This cannot be adequately determined.—] (]) 05:44, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


:If the section contains analysis and discussions from reliable secondary sources or the author's own views and comments, yes. If the section contains fan theories, user-generated discussions or other kind of interpretations without attribution, then no. ] (]) 04:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
== Hange's name ==


== "internet communities" ==
Since we have settled how to spell the characters name in this article, it's time for another topic, Hange's name.


The article cited here is focused on a single internet community (4chan's /pol forum). It might be more accurate to change the wording here to reflect that.
Hange's full name is Hange Zoë but for some reason, Kondansha USA rearranged her name as Zoë Hange. This wouldn't a problem if that character was japanese except her name is written in Western order in the japanese manga ((ハンジ・ゾエ Hanji Zoe) Notice the dot in the middle of her which shows that her name is in western order (Given name, Surname) not Japanese (Surname, Given name) like the others eg. Mikasa Ackerman (ミカサ・アッカーマン) ) and in the anime, she gives out her name as Hange Zoë.
--] (]) 07:36, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:Family Name Given Name orders are present in the west although not that often.—] (]) 08:39, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
::Except everyone names in Attack on Titan is Given Name Family Name order.--] (]) 09:09, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:::I ''think'' I know what Kodansha USA was thinking here. "Zoë" happens to be a fairly common Given name used in the English speaking world and is a variation of "Zooey". They probably figured "Zoë Hange" would look more attractive ''when written'' in the printed manga to English readers rather than "Hange Zoë" because it is fairly unusual to see "Zoë" as a surname on this side of the world. That's really all there is to it. ]<sup>]</sup> 10:05, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
::::However, this only causes confusion with the manga readers and anime viewers over her name and which is the right way of saying it.--] (]) 10:50, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::We could always clarify this with a note? ]<sup>]</sup> 10:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::Ok, but i prefer we use "Hange Zoë" with a note saying Kondansha USA wrote her name as "Zoë Hange".--] (]) 11:40, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::No, we should go with Kodansha and use "Zoe Hange".—] (]) 12:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Agreed. I also think the note may be a good idea here. Someone could edit it in and see how it looks. If it's only for the character article it'll work, especially if we start anchoring the character names and link them to the episode list and chapter lists, meaning that we'll only need one note. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::So we're just using a Woolseyism translation of a character's name by one official licensor when the other official licensors did it the way it was written? Fine, go ahead. I wouldn't be surprise when the anime dub comes out in 2014, we might change the name again. Here's the note we should put in the characters section for her.
:::::::::"''Hange's name is actually written as "Hange Zoë" in the original manga and anime but was written as "Zoe Hange" in the Kondansha USA manga translation.''"--] (]) 15:08, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Don't go Troper on us just because you want to be loyal to the name order in Japan.—] (]) 17:13, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Something interesting i found while on the net .--] (]) 12:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


In 2020, Shaan Amin, writing for The New Republic, identified Attack on Titan as a favorite of alt-right and white nationalist internet communities, while also pointing out that people tend to "sift through stories to find the messages they expect".
== Genre ==
Why is Attack on Titan listed as a Dark Fantasy? It's as much a fantasy as Star Trek or Star Wars is, in that it's only taking acceptable deviations from real world science to make things work. Much of everything in Attack on Titan can be explained scientifically, ''including'' the titans and everything about them. The 3D Maneuver Gear is scientific as well.


In reviewing the source that the author cited (search results, from that period), I'm not seeing a consensus among right-leaning users. The claim hasn't aged well, based on more recent search results. ] (]) 19:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
This should be listed as a work of Science Fiction.
] (]) 05:35, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
:Science fiction is generally limited to present day and speculative futures. "Dark fantasy" fits it better considering its setting does not meet this criteria.—] (]) 06:37, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
::I knew someone would touch on this eventually. Even though the series may have >>minor hints<< of science fiction and other sub genres of such, it is as Ryulong said, and as I have been editing in the past; Dark Fantasy remains the most accurate genre for this series. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:35, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
:::If anything it's just barely bordering on steampunk, but until the truth behind the titans is revealed we won't know shit.—] (]) 20:06, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
::::Their origin is heavily hinted. We really only need to know how the titan shifters' change into titans to confirm if it is science, because of the need to follow the law of conservation of mass in order to make them work scientifically
] (]) 06:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::That may be, but this series is already ongoing and what ever genres where established at the start up until now should be used. I dont see the point of putting a Science genre halfway through for one plot detail when the ones already listed far outweigh it. Also, this is a fictional work; making an attempt to establish a real world scientific connection would be wasted effort since that would/may be purely speculation somewhat bordering on ] and we'll probably even have to wait for an official source to list it as a science genre and this rarely ever happens. Misplaced Pages is not the place for speculation-even the >hinted< kind. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


== Games section ==
== Misspelled Attack On Titan character name ==


Can someone include in the video games section the developers, publishers, and consoles of each game? Some of them have the information, and some of them don't. I not allowed to edit. ] (]) 18:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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The surname of the character Eren Jeager is misspelled. Jeager is spelled whith a "Y" at the start instead of a "J" . Please correct the the spelling by changing Yeager to Jeager
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] (]) 15:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

:You should read ]. It's not a mispelling.] (]) 16:37, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:We're not doing it.—] (]) 17:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:Not this again. Sigh. Read the archived discussions above. Also, your spelling is ironic for a discussion of this nature. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:While "Jaeger" is more appropriate in terms of the context of his name, regardless of its spelling it is pronounced "Yeager" because it comes from the German/Scandinavian word "Jäger" which translates to "Hunter". The official translation is "Yeager" because the translators realize that most people who are not fluent in German would not understand it being spelled "Jaeger" but pronounced "Yeager". ] (]) 07:00, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
::So you've never heard of ] then?—] (]) 08:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
:::I guess not. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

== Lead note ==

A lead note would undoubtedly discourage users from constantly changing the name "Yeager" to "Jaeger." since they obviously disregard the notice at the top of the editing page. So why not? Now that I think about it, I guess that the end of the anime is a legitimate reason though. ]<sup>]</sup> 01:31, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
:We do not need to have an actual footnote that shows up as people read. We just revert it every time.—] (]) 07:03, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
::Why not add a ] to the article (that shows up at the top of the edit screen, assuming they're not using VisualEditor), and a FAQ template at the top of the talk page (since 99% of people don't bother reading through the entire talkpage)? --]<sub>]•]•]</sub> 01:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
:::There is an edit notice saying "We use a certain set of translations" but no one seems to pay attention. I attemped to request that "We use 'Yeager', not 'Jaeger'" to be added but the edit notice does not appear to be on my watchlist.—] (]) 04:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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regarding request to remove Eren's motives

Starting a new thread to reach a consensus on if the plot summary should remove the part explaining Eren's motives. This thread is a followup to https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Attack_on_Titan#regarding_Eren's_motives I recommend anyone participating in this thread read that thread first. Basically, I believe that Eren's true motives are too subjective to be included in the plot summary. I requested that

"After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. His death also releases memory blocks that he put on his friends, revealing that what transpired was part of Eren's plan to spare twenty percent of humanity, with Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others being recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia."

be changed to

"After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers appears, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia." (I also changed added the word "appears" before the first comma since the original implies Levi killed the source, which he did not) User @WikiVirusCsaid "There is a lot of interpretation to be had and its going to be opinionated of course. Regardless of what Eren wanted, he knew what was going to happen. See the part of quoted text "Even if I didn't know that you'd stop me..." He knew he would be stopped, and regardless of him wanting this or that, he kept going along the path that ended up with some people being spared. Maybe the text could be reworded, because while yes its true it wasn't his desire for 20% of world to be spared, he intended for that to happen."

My response to that is that it is unclear where Eren's will ends and his future vision begins, so I'm not sure if he can say what his intent is. Still, I concede that 80% of humanity being killed and Armin and friends becoming heroes is worth a mention, so I propose a new edit: "After Levi kills Zeke and a mysterious creature that is the source of all Titans' powers appears, Mikasa kills Eren, causing the power of the Titans to vanish, reverting all Titans to human form, and stripping the Titan Shifters of their powers, thereby freeing all Eldians from the curse. His death also releases memory blocks that he put on his friends, revealing that eighty percent of humanity has been killed in the rumbling, and that Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others will be recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling. Three years later, as Paradis and the rest of the world rebuilds, Armin and his allies begin peace negotiations led by Queen Historia." AOTEditor (talk) 03:14, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

My response to that is that it is unclear where Eren's will ends and his future vision begins, so I'm not sure if he can say what his intent is. I'm not saying go into his will or add anything about that, I don't want to change/add anything in. He said "Even if I didn't know that you'd stop me" , he knew he would be stopped. Your version of text removes that plot point from the summary. If you want to change it from Eren's plan, to Eren's vision that he carried out/let happen or something than that's an option, but I feel plan is simpler and works. WikiVirusC 12:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Also to add from 139, (wording depending on the translation), Armin says "It was all... ...to push us away from you... ...and make us into heroes who saved humanity from extinction by hunting you down?", Eren replies "...That's right." Armin ask if this was his plan, and Eren says yes. WikiVirusC 12:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Since you bring that up, I think it's necessary to view what is happening in that scene. We do not see the conversation that occurs prior to the start of chapter, so we do not know exactly what Eren told Armin. It is possible that the idea of Eren doing the rumbling purely for his friends was an assumption Armin made. Regardless, when Armin asks Eren if he did it for them, Eren says "that's right," however when Eren says this, his eyes are looking down, not at Armin, which may indicate that he is lying. Then when Armin questions Eren further on this, instead of answering, Eren changes the subject.
Keeping what Eren says later in this chapter, along with what he said in 131, in mind, it looks to me like Eren is too ashamed to admit to his true motive here, but he also cannot lie to his friend, so he changes the subject to avoid this confrontation.
Later in the chapter, after Eren breaks down and cries in front of Armin, he says "how... could I ever be forgiven...?" Here it seems like Eren does not view his own actions as morally justifiable. Right after this Eren confesses to Armin that he truly wanted to do the rumbling.
What it looks like to me is that after breaking down in front of Armin, Eren is now comfortable disclosing his shameful true motive, since he has already embarrassed himself, and what he says here effectively overrides what he said at the beginning of the chapter.
Even if you do not view it this way, the beginning of 139 is really the only evidence that Eren did the rumbling for any noble means. There is more evidence to suggest the contrary, not all of which I have brought up, but I will if you need me to.
If you see it necessary for the summary to mention Eren seeing the future, so be it, but I do not wish for it to imply that Eren started the rumbling for this reason. Try to avoid using the word "plan." AOTEditor (talk) 18:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
We aren't saying he did it for noble means, and no one is trying to word article to imply it was morally justifiable, he did it for his own personal preference. But that isn't the point, I do not want to speculate or analyze the manga, evidence across chapters won't help. Combining things from chapters to come to any conclusions is WP:OR, If no reliable sources support the theory then just leave as is verbatim summary sourced from the manga without opinions/speculations. WikiVirusC 20:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I agree that my interpretation cannot be backed up under Misplaced Pages’s rules, but neither can the interpretation that the way things turned out was Eren’s plan from the beginning.
All I want at this point is for the word “plan” to be taken out, and for the text to not imply that Levi killed the source.
(I deleted the previous reply to this because I accidentally sent it while not logged in) AOTEditor (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
@WikiVirusCsince you have not responded for about a week, can we go forward in removing use of the word "plan," and making it clear that Levi did not kill the source. AOTEditor (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
I reworded sentence so it didn't imply Levi killed the source, and it was more a result of Eren's death. I already responded multiple times about the word plan. Its the simplest way to describe it, but if you have a better way to describe it without removing the the fact Eren confirms it when Armins verbatim if everything was to make them heroes and he says yes. We are over analyzng and theorizing way too much, let a secondary RS do that. If we using the manga as a primary source, we just need to summarize what happened without adding opinions to it. I feel the article already does/did that fine with current wording. WikiVirusC 21:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
"His death also releases memory blocks that he put on his friends, revealing that what transpired was part of the future Eren saw where eighty percent of humanity is killed, with Armin, Levi, Mikasa, and the others being recognized as heroes in the eyes of the world for killing him and stopping the Rumbling." AOTEditor (talk) 01:56, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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idk i saw a bunch of changes that were needed to make through grammarly so editors can just do that or smth idk MatthewChenChen (talk) 12:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:38, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

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It still states here that the manga has been sold 120 million copies as of September 2023.

As of 29th of November 2023, the manga has sold 140 million copies.

Source: https://x.com/shingeki_fly/status/1729802961344200984?s=46&t=UzvPDi6hCOEx7zs_pQsUpw Miiyuh (talk) 10:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Per WP:RSPX, Twitter is not a reliable source. Liu1126 (talk) 10:22, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Themes section?

Should we include a themes section including the themes of the story, including the meaning of the tree at the end? HiGuys69420 (talk) 02:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

If the section contains analysis and discussions from reliable secondary sources or the author's own views and comments, yes. If the section contains fan theories, user-generated discussions or other kind of interpretations without attribution, then no. Xexerss (talk) 04:06, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

"internet communities"

The article cited here is focused on a single internet community (4chan's /pol forum). It might be more accurate to change the wording here to reflect that. 

In 2020, Shaan Amin, writing for The New Republic, identified Attack on Titan as a favorite of alt-right and white nationalist internet communities, while also pointing out that people tend to "sift through stories to find the messages they expect".

In reviewing the source that the author cited (search results, from that period), I'm not seeing a consensus among right-leaning users. The claim hasn't aged well, based on more recent search results. 2600:8801:8D00:425:7EFC:96F0:32F8:F628 (talk) 19:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Games section

Can someone include in the video games section the developers, publishers, and consoles of each game? Some of them have the information, and some of them don't. I not allowed to edit. 201.92.147.127 (talk) 18:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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