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== today ==
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You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. ] (]) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.] (]) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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::Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK ]? Danke. ] (]) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
* In tiefer Nacht trifft uns die Kunde
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* Ein Licht geht uns auf in der Dunkelheit
::::See my talk page. Thanks so much! ] (]) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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We move from ] to ], with new calendar pictures and new music. The topic of Bach's chorale cantatas will keep me busy until 25 March, and then I want to focus on performances more generally, in history and in my experience. You can follow my daily stories, {{tl|User Gerda Arendt/Top|}}, often with an image and something to listen to: let's stay inspired and connected. --] (]) 05:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


] points at issues where I need help, such as reviews. Ongoing efforts regard locations that played a role in my life, ], music heard and sung, composers, gardens. Watch my user page for articles, done in collaboration. Compare ] for the amazing number of users who began and expanded articles. Thanks also to reviewers, and I do plan to review more and write less, and in writing, focus more on quality than the little daily article.
You asked for an English translation of "uneinsichtig, unbelehrbar und beratungsresistent". Without consulting a dictionary, I translate those words as "uninsightful, unteachable, and resistant to advice", but there may be a more nuanced or idiomatic meaning that I am missing. The single English word that comes to mind to describe that set of characteristics is "pig-headed" (that is probably not an English word you know, but I think it is a word you will enjoy). I also think of the Misplaced Pages item ].


2025 calender pics and musical events ], and the 2025 diary of my own pictures of places, songs, food, flowers ... ], - just watch those lists if you are interested.
Your English is much better than my Deutsch, so I am happy when I can help you expand your knowledge. I didn't respond on the page where you asked the question because I think it is a bad idea to continue the argument ("bickering") there. Also, I think it is best to avoid making accusations against people, because that often makes people angry, while failing to help them see the problem. (See ].) --] (]) 14:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


'''My talk goes like this''': on top there's the ] related to the day. Below are three or more boxes, often one for people remembered and others for musical experiences, performing or listening. In these boxes, topics related to the top story and topics featured on the Main page appear bold. Right here you see the ] with songs of the month, typically related to meetings with ]. I archive from time. --] (]) 06:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:I certainly enjoyed the new word and your sensible way of handling the case. I just asked words, didn't I? --] (]) 15:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:*Yeah, but "pig-headed" has more negative connotations than "hard-headed" or "stubborn". I will not choose a term to apply to this situation, per one of the above cited policies. ] (]) 16:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Learning, thank you! (Just approved your Aku hook), --] (]) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:::*Alright, thanks! ] (]) 00:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::"impervious" rings a bell: "impervious to pain, up to a certain point" (]), --] (]) 22:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


== From 2024 ==
::::Orlady, ''einsicht'' is indeed insight or understanding, but in this context ''uneinsichtig'' is nearer to "unreasonable". I suggest "unreasonable, incorrigible, and impervious to advice". ''Pig-headed'' is good. ] (]) 09:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
=== Women in Red January 2025 ===
:::::Thanks for more insight, on top of your brilliant idiomatic ] about the (equal) skills of females to study, see above, --] (]) 11:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


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=== Your ] nomination of ] ===
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The article ] you nominated as a ] has been placed on hold ]. The article is close to meeting the ], but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See ] and ]&nbsp;for issues which need to be addressed. <!-- Template:GANotice result=hold --> <!-- Template:GANotice --> <small>Message delivered by ], on behalf of ]</small> -- ] (]) 00:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
: ], thank you for the thorough review. I understand that in order to make Bach's chorale cantatas a good topic, this cantata - as part of it - has to be a good article, and I am willing to put work into it to make it so. However, right now I'm working simultaneously on several others with the same goal, and they require less work. I see me getting to serious changes for BWV 8 after the others, which will be in February. (The only one written later, BWV 1, is already a FA.) I'll make small changes now, perhaps today, but will then have to ask if the nom should remain open for longer or be closed and started over when I'm ready. Y'all: any help with this one and the others - making changes or reviewing - is welcome, see above, ]. --] (]) 08:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I saw this image and thought of you and all you've done to help PS and Khazar. You are a bastion of refuge when the storm clouds come in, and I for one would like to thank you. Don't worry about people talking behind your back - as they say, "sticks and stones". ] (]) 11:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
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Gerda, I was asked to help on this because it failed draft review. I added a few sources, but thought maybe you would like to take this on as it is about a hymn composer. Best.] (]) 03:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC
=== uh, a ''tree'' for you ===
: I am interested, and thank you for thinking of me, but I have a few things I want to handle first, - just look above. --] (]) 07:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)


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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hi, Gerda. I was editing ], and it has this nice tree photo from the "Komani neighborhood", so I figured it should be seen more. Enjoy. ] (]) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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:I do, I love trees! --] (]) 15:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


Did you read ]? With one of your photos: ]. I've already sent him encouraging words. ] (]) 11:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
=== A barnstar for you! ===
: I had no time, thank you for pointing at it. I don't see a photo though. - Ah, in the overview, playing Haydn on ] piano --] (]) 13:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== 2025 ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For believing in the goodness of people above all. For having faith and being willing to work on a cause that seemed hopeless. ] (]) 23:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
{{font|size=17px|Hi {{BASEPAGENAME}}, Best wishes that the new year brings peace, good health and happiness.<br /> Thank you for what you do for the encyclopedia and this community. And a special thanks for sharing music and your lovely photos with me throughout the year.}}<br /><br />
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: Thank you, still working on the last cantata for 2024, - will probably come over tomorrow with a photo or more tomorrow, to continue sharing. You can probably guess that the new calendar pics will be at ]--] (]) 15:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
:AMEN to that! Gerda is one of the kindest, most decent people I've ever met. In this case, wiki-met, not met in person, though I'd love to do that one day.] ] 11:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you, yes, please, all of it! --] (]) 11:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
* — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 00:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC) {{like}}


=== Thanks in 2024 ===

=== The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence ===


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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I am pleased to award this '''MBE''' to you in recognition of your outstanding work on Misplaced Pages. Your numerous DYKs have achieved the noble goal of highlighting culture on the Main Page. Your work with other users is exemplary, and you're one of the nicest Wikipedians, always supporting and encouraging other users. Thanks for all of your superb contributions! ]&nbsp;<span style="color:blue">•</span>&nbsp;] 19:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC) |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Happy New Year, Gerda Arendt! In 2024, other editors thanked you using the ] on the English Misplaced Pages. This made you the '''#3 most thanked Wikipedian in 2024'''. You were also the '''#2 most thankful Wikipedian in 2024''', having used the thanks tool . Congratulations and, well, ''thank you'' for all that you do for Misplaced Pages. Here's to 2025! ] (]) 19:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Thank you! - I was tempted to say "Blushing", but every time I say so the user is gone a week later, I don't want to miss you also ;) --] (]) 19:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
:ps: I would like to share this award with my ], the incarnation of selfless service to this project ;) --] (]) 09:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
::Your not saying it seems to have worked – it's been a week and I'm still here! I just finished my latest article (my first in a long time). It's about an ] who was born and raised in Germany and was very interested in music. For ''some'' reason, that made me think of you.... ]&nbsp;<span style="color:blue">•</span>&nbsp;] 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I didn't say it, as much as I was tempted! - Thanks for staying with me, and for the article! --] (]) 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

:::: Knock on wood, as I blushed as well recently ;) ] is still facing extinction while the Mans parking was guided so well to DYK by our fairy maiden - Glückauf ] (]) 10:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::You found #1, I blushed three more times, --] (]) 10:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

== nice edit notice ;) ==

* http://wikipediocracy.com/
* http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/10/31/tis-the-season-to-be-banning-at-wikipedia/

* ]

A Halloween present from ] on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. ] (]) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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:nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the ] got a pumpkin + ], --] (]) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
::] GA ;) --] (]) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

== "]" ==

You mentioned this article on my talk page earlier. The reason I did a bit of work on it was partly because it was pretty poor, but more selfishly I wanted to start an article on the topic of ], and I didn't it want it to be immediately tagged as an orphan; I hate those tags. I've emailed Northampton Museum asking if someone from there could take a look at the article, and it would be good if you and/or your talk-page stalkers could have a quick look through as well, to see if there's anything that could do with a bit more explanation. I'm not asking for any kind kind of formal review, just a quick eyeball to see if there's anything obviously missing, or that doesn't make sense.

Cheers! (Yes, I've had a couple of glasses of wine, and perhaps you'll join me. I find it helps the creative juices to flow. ;-) ) ] (]) 19:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

:Thank you, will look but not soon, want to get Fauré's ] to presentable until the composer appears as TFA on 4 November, translate a ] to German until Saturday and ] asap, --] (]) 19:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::Would you like me to take a look as well? ] ] 19:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

:::Sure, all of them ;) --] (]) 19:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

::::OK, later. Have to warn you though that I'm not really a Wikipedian, have never been a Wikipedian, and I scare away women, children and new editors. Allegedly. But I'll try and be gentle. ] ] 20:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

:::::matching my ] --] (]) 20:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

== Brains Work Better Barnstar ==

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:Giving is better than receiving. Happy New Year. ] (]) 20:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, <font color="Fuchsia">blushing</font> again. (], not afraid that you will leave within a week ;) Thanks to ] for the colour.) --] (]) 13:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
:: Thank you, great helper all around, for example the latest RD for which I had no time due to real life! - I wonder about the ratio of (lazy) click-thanks to real typed thank-you notes, and hope that I can offer more of the latter kind. --] (]) 21:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)


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== Happy New Year Gerda ==
== Your ] nomination of ] ==
The article ] you nominated as a ] has passed ]; see ] for comments about the article, and ] for the nomination. Well done! If the article is ] in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can ] within the next seven days.<!-- Template:GANotice result=pass --> <!-- Template:GANotice --> <small>Message delivered by ], on behalf of ]</small> -- ] (]) 15:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== New compilation of cello music from Venice ==
Dear Gerda, I am too busy thinking about all sorts of silly things and forgot to send you a greeting for the New Year, if such things amuse you. At any rate I'm glad to see you are still here and have not been distracted by the Wikifollies (!) I saw ] on IMAX 3-d the other day and thought it was awesome. Snow is settling on Ipswich tonight so it all looks very pretty by streetlight, if cold underfoot. I hope you have yet another brilliant year in WP and of course (far more important) a brilliant year in the ] (whatever you construe that to be) which is The Great Outside... If there is such a thing as a ''Jahresentwicklung'' I hope that yours will be frohlich. - Season's greetings, (Steven) ] (]) 23:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you, Steven, I appreciate your personal thoughts and wish you no less than the same! - I didn't send "individual" greetings but had ] on my user, - a remnant is still there now like a motto: "ban complaining". It's not the same as "ban ]", - look above and for ] ;) --] (]) 00:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


Good morning Gerda, have you already seen ? Some composers such as Rita Stroh already have WP articles, but there might be more in this compilation from Venice. - Best wishes for a great New Year. ] (]) 08:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
== Defender of the Integrity of Misplaced Pages ==
: Thank you, interesting! I'm behind with some topics that are related to anniversaries, but then - in a few months - I'll look! --(forgot to sign yesterday) ] (]) 11:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)


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Articles of people who recently died have been a focus from 2019. in 2025, they have been a daily topic, both on the Main page were ] appeared from 31 January until 5 January, but also in the daily little articles, with the one exception of a Sunday. Not all of them made it to Main page appearance, but were at least improved. ] is great in finding images, ] in polishing composers' articles, ] in translating to begin articles for people with red links, Grimes2 all around helpful in finding and exploiting references, and several excellent in posting (just look belpw). Anybody ]!
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== ITN recognition for ] ==
I like your <nowiki>]</nowiki> legend.<br />All the best!&nbsp;&ndash;&#32;<br />&nbsp;&ndash;&#32;<strong>]</strong> &#124;<small>]</small>&#124; 14:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks should go to Wehwalt, who took the photo - thinking of ] - and coined the phrase on ], - perhaps I should credit him but thought the pic would tell those whose "inquiring mind wants to know", --] (]) 14:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
::Ha, ha! Excellent!&nbsp;&ndash;&#32;<br />&nbsp;&ndash;&#32;<strong>]</strong> &#124;<small>]</small>&#124; 14:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
:::... and this is my real name ... never could understand the reason for a ''nom de plume'' ... but then it would be absurd to imagine that it is not my name&nbsp;&ndash;&#32;<br />&nbsp;&ndash;&#32;<strong>]</strong> &#124;<small>]</small>&#124; 21:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)


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== ITN recognition for ] ==
I've finished with the lead now Gerda, hope you think it does the subject justice. Ironically, now that the lead's been expanded, I much prefer the uncollapsed infobox (I might even prefer no infobox at all in this case, but that's a separate story). The length of the infobox vs. the length of the lead is a factor that seems to have been largely ignored in all of the recent "discussions". ] ] 04:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you! (This is without looking yet, I trust your quality.) - Did you see that I took the picture (not the lead, the other)? Same day as the one of ] where he appeared and you liked. I will not touch the infobox until the "collapse discussion is over", see talk. - There should be more in it, will look into that later, see talk. - A good infobox should draw the interest of someone who just came to find one fact into reading the article. --] (]) 07:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
::I only looked at the lead Gerda. May I ask you a personal question? Is Gerda Arendt your real name? If you're suspicious about why I'm asking you then just email me and I'll explain, nothing sinister I promise. ] ] 07:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
:::If I was a suspicious person I would not write under my real name ;) - if you have time, go over the rest, - if you look at the history, you will see that it was started by a devotee, ready to mention every note he sang, I dropped a lot of that but a bit more of one style would be great. You won't believe how many people crowded our concert just to hear him. He said he would come again (about the highest praise a church choir can receive) but has no time for the next one, ] will sing alto then, --] (]) 07:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
::::The reason I asked was because I'm thinking of adding my real name to my user page. I feel foolish editing under a pseudonym like "Malleus Fatuorum", and if my real name isn't already bagged I may request a change. Either way, I think a little more openness might go a long way. ] ] 07:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::Good idea! - Good luck! (You will need it, because as far as I know Andy Mabbett tried the same, but was not permitted to change, that's how his signature got so long.) --] (]) 07:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
::::::I'll see if my real name is available. Back on the subject of Scholls though, I've heard some old recordings of castrati. Can he really reach those high notes with his balls still in place? ] ] 07:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::There were soprano castrati and alto. He can singer everything alto, your recordings may be soprano. There are males who can those also. - His wonderful event for the ] - 3 concerts in 3 churches in one day will be repeated this year (different programs and one church different)! - That festival could also use a better lead ;) --] (]) 08:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::ps:for name changes, ask ], --] (]) 08:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
::::::::What do you think about the ] article? ] ] 08:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::no time, need to talk to ArbCom and go to church ;) --] (]) 08:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)


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== Your ] nomination of ] ==
I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you can find comfort in happy memories. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 09:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
The article ] you nominated as a ] has been placed on hold ]. The article is close to meeting the ], but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See ] and ]&nbsp;for issues which need to be addressed. <!-- Template:GANotice result=hold --> <!-- Template:GANotice --> <small>Message delivered by ], on behalf of ]</small> -- ] (]) 13:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:Thank you. - The funeral was yesterday, dear friends flew in from the US and are with us, - most important. There's always time for data, but not people, thanks for understanding that! --] (]) 09:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
:ps: he participated in writing , but died gently from a stroke. If I wrote an article (but I know to little about his scientific accomplishments) it would be the forth for a friend who died, --] (]) 09:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about this Gerda, who was it?♦ ] 12:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! == == ITN recognition for ] ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thought you deserve at least this much for all the help and support you gave me, right from my very first moment, oh and by the way I'm Back in action!!! Thanks once again for all Everything! ] (]) 13:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you, feels good! --] (]) 13:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

:You don't seem too pleased to see me back... Anyways, Misplaced Pages servers must be working over time. I'm am unable to keep a page open for even a minute before reloading it. Nothing is opening quickly, links are slow and its pissing me off. Are you suffering from the same problem??? Its a real fist clenching anger!!! ] (]) 14:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

::Sorry to disappoint you. Look at my talk: I rarely use an exclamation mark, you got one! Read further, I miss friends, dead or gone, I have arguments with people I respect ... - No, loading is normal, normally slow, that is. - I get ready for Good Friday, and hope for Easter (we celebrate Monday also), --] (]) 14:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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I feel honoured, and encouraged to tackle the St Matthew Passion and the Mass in B minor as long term goals, --] (]) 07:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

== Easter music ==

Great choices! :) We did the Palestrina Sicut cervus too, and ], and... a bunch of Anglican stuff that I don't remember :P ~ ] 06:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:I am so grateful to my conductors! ] (my first infobox!) will sing the ] in less than two hours in rehearsal (the only one with ]), one hour later in the service. The others were last night, + smaller works. Happy Easter, to everyone reading this! --] (]) 06:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
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::"Kommt, eilet und laufet". Frohe Ostern, Gerda. ] (]) 08:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:::thanks for coming! (to ] with an infobox) - to you, too!

== infoboxes for classical music composers ==

Καλό Πάσχα, Gerda! <br />
I do think articles for composers and their works should have ]. That said, I am saddened by what is going on ]. Listening to Glenn Gould's 1981 recording of the Goldberg Variations right now, and wishing the whole mess hadn't happened. Ma è la via del mondo.
Pete aka --] (]) 09:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
:I was told it went on since 2005, - at least it was ]: Did you know that ''''']''''' (The Hellish Infobox), an ] in 25 acts, is the longest running opera ever staged on Misplaced Pages? - A look at the proposed {{tl|Infobox opera}}, especially its sample, is a good way to cheer up! --] (]) 10:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
::The infobox saga seems more like a ] some days! LOL! ;-) ]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

==Thank you==
If everyone followed this would be a much finer community, and we wouldn't have the problem with editor retention we do. But anyway -- just wanted to say thanks. Please continue! ] ] 14:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you, blushing again ;) --] (]) 14:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Hi Gerda. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Over the past few days, I've been finding out that, like many things, editing Misplaced Pages requires constant practice. We (ok, mostly you) created a lot of composer articles for the Munich Biennale, and now I have to work hard to remember everything that needs done. Let's see how I get on with creating ] ... ] (]) 22:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
:Excellent! Content, content, content - don't like ANI, - ] --] (]) 08:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

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Becoming! (Much better than "]") --] (]) 12:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

== First ever Wiki Angel Award ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Gerda, es macht mich glücklich, dir den ersten Wiki Angel Award geben. Du bist ein true Wiki Angel und feine Dame.] ] 18:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
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* This is awesome ... wish I would have thought of it. :) — <small><span class="nowrap" style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>]</b> : ]</span></small> 18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you!!! (blushing again, see above) --] (]) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

== Words are not enough ==

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I hope you realise that I was selfish: I wanted you to stay! I see too many who give up or find better things to do. Feel free to join my ], --] (]) 20:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

== Sir Adrian ==

Gerda, what a pleasing note from you on my talk page! You are too kind, but I walk a little taller for that beautifully-phrased compliment. ] (]) 19:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For all the kindness that you show to your fellow editors, ] has said that you, ''' Gerda''', deserve this award.
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Thank you so much, also for taking care of all those women scientists! How many hits did your "organ"-related DYK get? --] (]) 06:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
ps: checked myself, 15,299, congrats! --] (]) 06:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Thoroughly deserved!!♦ ] 12:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== You are a Golden Editor! ==

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Thank you, precious! --] (]) 08:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

== Opera days ==

Dear Gerda,
If you haven't used it yet you might get a reference to '']'' by R. Korsakov in about now!! Not that we are having any May nights, they feel more like February mornings. I have a fine old recording of this opera with ], great stylist that he was. About 1950. Nothing like a drowned fairy or two to cheer up an opera. ] (]) 20:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
:Good idea ;) --] (]) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
:Done! - Feel free to help me, finding them and inserting yourself, --] (]) 05:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
::I fear I am too lazy to engage with that aspect of wikipedia. ] (]) 22:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
:::For me, that's the sweet part of the day, no conflict, no fear, free choice ;) --] (]) 06:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

== Sorrow ==

I noticed your appreciation of ''Sorrow''. The article was written as part of this collaboration: ]. We're also using ], so translation of articles into German (or other languages) would be most welcome! <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 09:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
:I have it in the back of my mind, same for ], - once I need less time for straightening out the Bach composition infoboxes and once I got my ] closer to where I want it to be, I will think of it again ;) --] (]) 09:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

== Infobox with collapsible sections ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thank you for being such a strong content editor ]. Don't let the infobox wars and bad faith editors get to you. Your the type of editor we need more of here - :-) ] (]) 03:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you, don't be afraid, I created my red cat after learning to despise "consensus", so am here to stay, --] (]) 07:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

== There is a mop reserved in your name ==
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<td style="vertical-align:middle; padding:1px; text-align:center">'''You are a remarkably exemplar editor.'''<br />You would be a good administrator in my opinion, and you are qualified!<br />You personify an ], and have gained my support; already!</td></tr>
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:Thank you for the expression of trust! You are not the first to suggest that, ]. Also you must have missed ] ;) --] (]) 22:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I am livid at the tone of that Wagner discussion; clearly I should avoid injecting my thoughts there; if I am able. ] (]) 23:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

== MIA ==

I had no idea such a page even existed! And strange that it said vanished without notice, I had a big banner saying I was moving, had no internet, and then had little to sporadic internet, etc. Anyway, I'm happily off that list. :) Sadly, I see many names that make me wish were not on the list. :( Oh good grief, someone point me to how to make smiley faces, lol. <small>]]]</small> 03:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
:You are most welcome here! - In the ], others missed you. - I hear you are kind of an angel! But that it was said to me also puts it in perspective ;) - We sing "Come Holy Ghost" today, see my user, --] (]) 05:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

== Main Page appearance: Franz Kafka ==

This is a note to let the main editors of ] know that the article will be appearing as ] on July 3, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director {{user|Raul654}} or one of his delegates ({{user|Dabomb87}}, {{user|Gimmetoo}}, and {{user|Bencherlite}}), or start a discussion at ]. You can view the TFA blurb at ]. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at ]. The blurb as it stands now is below:

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''']''' (1883–1924) was a German-language writer of novels and short stories, and is regarded as one of the most influential ]. His works, such as "{{lang|de|]}}" ("The Metamorphosis"), ''{{lang|de|]}}'' (''The Trial''), and ''{{lang|de|]}}'' (''The Castle''), are filled with themes and archetypes of alienation, brutality, parent–child conflict, and mystical transformations. Kafka was born into a middle-class Jewish family in ], then part of the ]. He trained as a lawyer and worked for an insurance company, writing in his spare time&nbsp;– he complained all his life about his lack of time to write. Kafka wrote hundreds of letters to family and close female friends, including his fiancée ]. Only a few of Kafka's stories appeared during his lifetime in story collections and literary magazines. His novels and other unfinished works were published posthumously, mostly by his friend ], who ignored his wish to have the manuscripts destroyed. ] and ] are among the writers influenced by Kafka's work; the term ''Kafkaesque'' has entered the English language to describe surreal situations like those in his writing. {{TFAFULL|Franz Kafka}}
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] (]) 23:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
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== Some baklava for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- ] (]) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with ] first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --] (]) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

==Kindness==
Bless you ;) -- '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 09:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:I like to watch that archive grow, full of people who otherwise seem to live on different stars ;) - feel free to also share some baklava above --] (]) 11:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
::Alas, there are only two forks (I'll use my fingers!) -- '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 17:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:::I always use my fingers for baklava, you can have mine, --] (]) 20:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

== The "If I had the time I'd make a Wikilove thingy ... ==

... with a pretty picture, but I'm lazy so instead you'll have to settle for text" Barnstar

Hi Gerda,

I saw your note on my talk page. Thanks for the kind words, and for being so refreshingly pleasant and un-bitter all the time. An inspiration to us all. I'm sure I'll see you around eventually, but probably won't be for a while yet. Enjoying my time away. Cheers. --] (]) 20:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
:I enjoy refreshing apparitions, also I am in a good mood, after singing ] for more than two hours, --] (]) 21:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

== Precious ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''My precious'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Congratulations on the ] TFA!! ♦ ] 09:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
|}
Thank you! Beautiful! Do you also give one to ]? He also reached 100 DYK today with a triple, - you of all people would be the one to give him that award (I did 25) ;) --] (]) 09:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

== ] all time top TFA!!! ==
: 768,586 hits
:]
:]
::YEE HAW, CONGRATS GERDA ] ] 01:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Wow! That is amazing!] 02:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
::::Gerda, Guten Morgen, input ] ] 02:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::Der Morgen ist gut! --] (]) 08:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::ps: ] made the DYKstats, my first --] (]) 08:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
::::::DOUBLE CONGRATS! ] ] 10:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
::Wow that's impressive! I wonder why it had more hits than any though!!♦ ] 11:01, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:::didn't you use google yesterday? link to press on top of my user ;) --] (]) 11:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
::I use Firefox which has a search bar in the top right corner and have google books built into my wiki itinery and other websites like youtube and ebay I regularly are in the url bar section so no, I rarely see the home search page of google.♦ ] 11:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:::Unlike this Main page, the "doodle" appears on the top left of every (!) search, - read that article, it has a good image, --] (]) 11:14, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
::Congratulations to you both for this impressive result. I still say that this is one of the best FA's on the encyclopaedia. -- '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 11:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:::thank you, that means a lot from you, writer of excellent ones, - plus you saying this about one with an infobox ;) --] (]) 11:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
::::I know! I had to go and have a lie down after saying that ;) Not even an infobox could ruin this one for me. -- '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::Thank you Casasianto. We really appreciate that. I also think ] is quite good. ] ] 11:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
::::::It is. This article for me. -- '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::"Logic may indeed be unshakeable, but it cannot withstand a woman who is determined to live. Where was the judge she had never seen? Where was the High Court she had never reached? She raised her hands and spread out all her fingers. But the ] closed round her throat, just as the other drove the knife deep into her heart and turned it twice." Only kidding... congrats "Gerda K". ] (]) 11:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::::"determined", yes (remember my red cat?) ;) --] (]) 11:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

*{{like}} Hugs! ]<sup>]</sup> 17:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
*What, almost a million hits... How does that feel, Gerda? ] (]) 03:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

*Wow...*salute* ] (]) 15:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

== Barnstar for you ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | for being such a great encourager! ] (]) 17:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
|}
Thank you, very kind, feels good, --] (]) 17:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

== DYK count ==

Don't worry about it, it isn't important. Read my notice at ]. Whoever is worth anything on here knows what I put into articles. Above all I've always wanted to put out the message that content is more important than anything. I'll continue to update my personal list, and I thankyou for helping me update it at one stage, but I'll just list the articles not the hooks.♦ ] 07:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
:"You" are a sourced key fact of Misplaced Pages, why not show it? --] (]) 08:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

].]<sup>]</sup> 17:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

:I like "prayer" in your name, you grant almost before asked. If you look at ], started by some Dr. you may know, there are some stubs the same created, theatres and a publication. I humbly ask for moar ;) --] (]) 17:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

]. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

== Well gee... ==

Never thought I'd be 'missed'. I didn't leave, per say, I just stopped making edits and removed most non-articles from my watch list. Just got sick of all the really stupid things that went on everywhere, (which I granted contributed too, especially my previous last edit), especially certain editors who seem to get away with ruining perfectly good articles because they have an adminbit or just happen to edit a lot, and decided not to bother any more...even to revert obvious vandalism. ] (]) 22:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Good to here your voice! You are missed ;) - You could join my red cat (see bottom of my user), to make more music together, --] (]) 23:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

== German question ==

Hi Gerda, someone has been spamming all over the place. Does it make any sense or is it just general nonsense/trolling? ] (]) 19:45, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:As far as I can understand his German it is that apparently the German Misplaced Pages has got it wrong somehow. So even if it is not total rubbish it is an S.E.P. and can be safely deleted from the talkpages in question. If the trouble continues I recommend contacting {{Ping|DerHexer}} as he might be aware of a previous trackrecord at that IP range at deWiki. ] (]) 20:28, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks for the info. Asking DerHexer sounds like a good idea. ] (]) 20:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:::It says that Apollo 11 can't have happened due to calculations. No source, OR, I would say, --] (]) 21:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::::Certainly a ] which is not limited to de & en accourding to ] (]) 21:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::But not as old as the Infobox wars (2005, according to reliable sources) ;) - Did you see "]? --] (]) 22:07, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::A ban on love seems a likely outcome of the Arbcom case... but if this guy has been going on about Apollo 11 since 2008 it looks like I might have to semi protect for longer. Thanks everyone! ] (]) 23:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Ban on love or Götterdämmerung, Wagner has good titles for such things. You know how to tell that the ] is near? --] (]) 10:44, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::"It's ], Jim, but not as we know it". ] (]) 11:09, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Or as a ] commented the end of Götterdämmerung: "Weialeialaleialalei. (sung) You're exactly where you started, 20 hours ago!" (or 25 acts, or 8 years). "I'm not making this up, you know!" (This phrase also became the title of her autobiography, published in 1985.) - An infobox is as redundant as a book cover. Paraphrasing "Siegfried, tired of love on the rocks with Brunhilda ..." - I am a bit tired of saying such simple things again and again ;) --] (]) 11:19, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::lol, yes, know what you mean.... ] - that's ]! ] (]) 11:26, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::It's also part of that delightful half hour, a must! Another "Mr. and Mrs. Wotan have an argument." --] (]) 11:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::"One bold edit for a Wikipedian, one great improvement for Misplaced Pages-kind". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 15:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

== Thank you from Thryduulf ==

It is always nice to be appreciated, and being called "awesome" is a good thing to wake up to :) ] (]) 07:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:I remember the feeling, August 2010 ;) - I recently saw several of your comments and thoughts that I liked! Do you have words ? --] (]) 08:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
::I do, but in the interests of civility I shall not be sharing most of them. "Unhelpful" and "obstructionist" are two that are printable, but I'll not be sharing them there at the moment as I do not wish to get involved in any debates about infoboxes until at least the arbitration case concludes. You may wish to ask for an explanation of those points though so that you can rebut them factually. ] (]) 08:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you for a new term: "obstructionist"! I collect words, did you know? Not a native speaker of English, I have ], --] (]) 08:36, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== Team ==

] Gerda, you have ] of ] which I regard as a serious and unwarranted attack on my integrity as an editor. I had thought that you understood my principles better than this; do not confuse my behaviour with that of others who disagree with me. I express my own opinions; if others agree with me that is of course gratifying, but I have not , in any way, incited them to support me. Indeed my messages to WP Classical music and WP Composers were strictly neutral and informative. I have never involved myself in tag-teaming, and as it happens I have never previously had any contact with ] or (as far as I know) with the anonymous editor (whoever he or she is). I should be grateful for an apology.--] (]) 13:18, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
: I haven't accused you. I said it "looks like" a team (not even mentioning "tag"). You will notice the difference. I apologize for not making this clear enough. --] (]) 13:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:: Gerda, to say that 'it looks like' implies in English that you think 'it is'. I would appreciate it if you would clearly post on the page where you made this accusation that you accept that ths was not the case.--] (]) 14:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
:::I did not make an accusation but will clarify, --] (]) 14:15, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

::::Smerus, haven't you read "don't template the regulars?" This is an example of your attempts at intimidation and failure of AGF toward Gerda. I am going to mention this at Arbcom in a moment. .. done. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::Sorry, ], I slept. I didn't report to Arbcom a single diff against (!) anybody, intentionally so. Looking at the PD, that was a mistake, and if there will be victim I will feel guilty. - Thank you for your support of my infobox for the Eighth. Should we call it a different name, for example "summary concept", to make it palatable, as a tool, not a weapon? --] (]) 05:43, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::: Thank you, Gerda! @] - terribly sorry, my old friend, I was only copying what Andy Mabbett did to me - (see my talk page) - I had been told by others that he was experienced in this sort of thing, but I guess I have learned better!--] (]) 06:45, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Well Smerus, two things, one is that he apparently did use a template and it was about a WP:Legal concern, so of a different nature than your simply expressing a difference of opinion. Second, if we argue (which I don't, but for the sake of this discussion) that Andy was in error, since when do two wrongs make a right? Your response to the two things posted on your page (your single word answer, "bollocks") says much for your attitude, which I think would benefit from an adjustment in the direction of a more collaborative outlook with more assumption of good faith and fewer personal attacks. JMO... ]<sup>]</sup> 17:44, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::: Dearest Montana, do grow up. And take a look at wht the arbs had to say about the ludicrous 'legal' complaint made against me by Rexss when he followed his leader. And if you want to whinge about me, do it on my page, not on Gerda's. If Gerda wants to report me for intimidation or anything else, she doesn't need your protection or advice.--] (]) 18:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::"Grow up"? From the person who responded to an Arbcom notice with "bollocks"? Really. Look in the mirror, my dear friend. Sheesh. But if you are forming a truce with Gerda, then more power to you and I will be glad if that happens. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::: Dear Gerda, I think your suggestion for Sib 8th was a nice one. But it's neither an infobox nor a 'tool' in my opinion, rather simply a good way of using a photo at the head of an article with some interesting text. I see that Brian would prefer without - so be it. For myslef (who also loves the 1939 image), I could envisage a series of such relatively simple pix at the head of each symphony, each with a pic of the composer at that era and with a shortish text giving some of the background. I will try to think of a series of articles where this might be appropriate and not stir up any aggro. Best, --] (]) 18:36, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Smerus, you just made my day, did you know? - As for "reporting", I am determined not to, see above. But it troubles me that the Rite of Arb seems to require a victim. - I have a true story for you: Friends came with their seven-year-old daughter, sorry that this girl didn't eat vegetables. She got corn-on-the-cob and liked it, - nobody had labelled it "vegetable". - Btw: Andy has an article on the Main page, see above, the first British victim of World War I, shot before the UK entered the war. I didn't know. --] (]) 18:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::OK,as Brian seems to have accepted the pic for Sibelius 8, take a look at ] where I have added a similarly 'informative' pic - mind you, the article is terrible and needs revamping.--] (]) 13:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::::And now Symphs 2 and 5 as well. The Symph 2 article is also useless and needs a revamp. Symph 5 rather better, but also needs work.--] (]) 11:55, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Also see ], with an experimental 'opera-specific' picture in the template and a pic of the compser at around thetimehe wrote it.--] (]) 14:57, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::::Also see my message below (tree), - I am debating with myself if I can reasonably support this projects any longer, --] (]) 12:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

== Thank-you! ==

Gerda, thank-you for beautiful gemstone "awesome Wikipedian" award! I like how you go around spreading happiness to other Wikipedians. ] ] 20:56, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

== Precious ==

Thank you, Gerda, for the "Precious" you have put on my user talk page. As you know I am all more than 50 years a Bruckner-fan.--] <small>(])</small> 09:17, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

==A tree for you!==
] (1891)</span>|left|190px]]


<span style="font-family: serif;"><big>'''Pine-Trees and the Sky: Evening'''


Then from the sad west turning wearily,

:I saw the pines against the white north sky,


Very beautiful, and still, and bending over

:Their sharp black heads against a quiet sky.


And there was peace in them; and I

:Was happy, and forgot to play the lover,


And laughed, and did no longer wish to die;

:Being glad of you, O pine-trees and the sky!</big>


]</span>
</span>
{{clear}}
Thank you, makes this a holiday! I cherish the tree further up - safe from archiving - and I on the hill of my page. Are you ]? --] (]) 12:01, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
:Had a quick ] I kinda like the infoboxes, reminds me of the ]. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 15:31, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
::I wish it was playground. It's about banning an excellent content editor for the reason that some find him "intimidating", - if you ask me: just because he has the better arguments, very intimidating indeed. I thought arbitration had to do with trying to find a solution between parties in battle, I really did. More experienced users ]. "And there was peace in them", - not in me now. --] (]) 11:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks! ==

I wished to thank you for your kind sapphire and words! It's certainly nice to be appreciated, and it's an honour to receive it from such a nice editor like yourself. Feel free to page me if you need any favours. Regards, ] (]) 19:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you! It's certainly nice to be called nice, where others think I need to be restricted and a friend needs to be banned, ] Did you know I contributed to ]? Kafkaesque, ], --] (]) 19:58, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
::Hm, too much to read! Could you elaborate? What's the problem? Nice articles! ] (]) 15:25, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Read below. Not banned, but restricted, and does it make sense - for the reader? --] (]) 15:49, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Frustrated, sick ==

Hi Gerda. After reading a few of your comments on various arbitrators' talk page, I'm a little worried about you, and would suggest – with great respect – that you take a few days off from Misplaced Pages. This place isn't worth the stress! With every best wish, ] ]] 17:42, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

:AGK, a LOT of us feel rather frustrated and sick at heart. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:AGK, thanks for the advice. Please note that I wrote about frustration 22 August. It's much worse today, but I don't have words for it. "In te speravi" --] (]) 21:17, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
::Sadly, I am flooded with words; words I can not ponder to write lest I also become ill. Though things are in fact, worse than they appear, the burden is not yours to carry alone. I insist that you allow me to share that burden and promise that upon your gaze, you will see me, toiling aside you until words are no more.&nbsp;'':)''&nbsp;] (]) 22:08, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you, John. I heard music. Remember your black barnstar? --] (]) 22:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
:::ps: Andy told me not to behave as if he was banned --] (]) 22:13, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

== Million Award ==

I've been slow to follow up on your comment at PumpkinSky's page, but you're right--even without the main page appearance, Kafka comes in at just over a million. Which means I get to give one of favorite Wikipedians--that's you--one of these, too!

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your contributions to bring ] (estimated annual readership: 1,002,000) to ] status, I hereby present you the ]. Congratulations on this rare accomplishment, and thanks for all you do for Misplaced Pages's readers. -- ] (]) 01:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
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{{-}}
Thanks a "million" for all you do here. It's a much better place thanks to your presence! -- ] (]) 01:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:Fantastic! ] (]) 02:32, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
::Thank you so much, made my day! This is the first userbox ever that I will use! - My user page is designed differently, feel free to follow the links in the image, - thank you, Khazar, you did it! (For those who don't know: I am proud of editor retention, and won Khazar twice! Looking at the results, that may have been the best I did here.) --] (]) 05:49, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:::My pleasure, and thanks! You definitely get to count me. {{=)}} -- ] (]) 06:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
::::You will like the ensemble mentioned just above, --] (]) 06:33, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
:::::I do! -- ] (]) 06:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Ben Gunn (campaigner)==
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|text = On ], ''']''' was updated with a fact from the article ''''']''''', which you recently nominated. The fact was ''... that ''']''', imprisoned 32 years for killing a friend when he was 14, earned a Master of Arts degree in peace and reconciliation?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/Ben Gunn (campaigner)|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/Ben Gunn (campaigner)|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page <small>(], )</small> and it will be added to ] if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the ].
}}<!-- Template:UpdatedDYKNom --> ] (]) 08:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

== Your potential admonishment ==

I've been dipping in and out of the ArbCom case you're involved in, and if I were a betting man I'd say it's quite likely that you'll be admonished (what a strangely pretentious word that is). Anyway, I just popped in to say that if you are, don't take it too seriously. I know from personal experience how difficult it is to see yourself being discussed for weeks on end, often unfairly, without any effective redress, so keep your chin up. ] ] 15:15, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you, Eric, you know it of all people ;) - I left the two projects where controversy is seen and where ]. - ] left, THAT is what I take seriously. He started the case, he saw it go in the opposite direction from what he may have hoped, we never blamed him, - now I miss him. Don't miss our latest DYK, in the box on top, "peace ..." --] (]) 15:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

::Gosh, I hadn't seen that Ched's buggered off, what a shame. ] ] 15:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

:::Tell him his talk, please. I was physically sick three times on Misplaced Pages, when BarkingMoon left, when I thought Andy had been banned (forgive me, - turned out that my math was too simple), and when I saw the red links on Ched's name today. There was a time when his user page proclaimed that I was the reason for him to stay. --] (]) 15:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

::::To be perfectly honest Gerda I'm not sure I'd encourage anyone to remain here, or even to register as a member. It seems quite clear that the Dark Lord has won the battle of WP, largely using the ridiculous civility policy as a subterfuge. The analogy with the recent Internet law enacted in Vietnam is inescapable. ] ] 15:57, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

:::::. But I could tell him that I miss him. I have three red cats now, will rival ] some day. How did you like our DYK? --] (]) 16:07, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

::::::I can tell him that privately. As for DYK, I've got no time for it, a complete waste of space. ] ] 16:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

:::::::I told him both ways. - DYK: in general you are right, but this one is good for a point of irony, - I was accused of pointed edits several times, this is it (not mine, - look for author, subject and message) --] (]) 16:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

::::::::There's a time to regroup, but never give up! While the place currently seems to be run by ], it isn't. Can't be letting the ] troll on unimpeded. Sometimes strategic retreat to ] is advisable, though. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::'']'', . This too shall pass. --] (]) 21:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I hold my head up: Andy will stay with us, "She shall drink of the brook in the way, therefore shall she lift up his head." (paraphrasing Psalm 110) ;) --] (]) 06:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:Gerda, these events are best ignored. I don't think it helps to seek more clarification. I am very aware that you have a passionate interest in classical music, including the works of Buxtehude and Bach. That is what counts. Even in secondary matters like infoboxes, which I find useful in some places and not in others, I found you reasonable and accommodating. In ] you helped expand and improve an inadequate article; doing the same thing for ] might be a therapeutic exercise. On a personal note, when in London I went into Handel's parish church ] and itched to play the chamber organ there, which is illustrated in the external links for ] and can be seen here in situ. Perhaps next time. I have written WP articles on two buildings nearby, the ] and the ] (at one time the main concert hall In London, but sadly demolished in 1900). Music is the thing, the rest is fairly meaningless. Please keep up the good work. Regards, ] (]) 08:00, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

::Amen ;) - I said before that I am not passionate about infoboxes, but people, and am happy that we can continue together, --] (]) 08:03, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:::For someone who claims not to be passionate about infoboxes, you spend a hell of a lot of your time pushing them and have done so even when the Arbcom case has been in progress: ] is all written by you, ] is mostly written by you; you turn up at my talk page on the day that one of my articles is the TFA and suggest that it could have an infobox, and make the same comment elsewhere (hardly great timing, and completely uncalled for); you add an infobox to an article that I've written knowing that I'm on holiday, no discussion anywhere of course, leaving me with a fait accompli when I eventually look at it a long time later; as I noted above, you push an infobox back into ] despite your first attempt being challenged and despite your self-proclaimed restrictions; you advocate infoboxes at FAC and PR to editors who you know take a different view on them to you, risking raising hackles completely unnecessarily; etc. As I've said to you before, "I really wish you found other, more productive things to do than this sterile row over infoboxes." But as you seem incapable of doing so voluntarily, hopefully the forthcoming restriction will make you find better things to do with your editing time. Please. Best wishes, ]] 08:38, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::::What did you miss? I left projects classical music and opera, the areas of conflict. If I added an infobox you could simply revert it, and now I will not even add one. If I ask about an infobox - TFA day or another - you can just say no, or ]. Collecting diffs to defend Andy (trying to show that I am the one to better restrict) is bookkeeping, not passion. Thanks for your time, --] (]) 08:46, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::::ps: I happen to prefer ] to ], and the infobox is not by me, --] (]) 08:49, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::Gerda, the gesture of leaving those two projects is utterly immaterial to you avoiding future conflict. Every time you start an infobox "proposal" on an established article's talk page or at TFA when you know full well that it will be opposed by some of the main editors in the area, and especially by the article's principle author, you will start unnecessary conflict and friction. You may not like that situation, but that's the way it is. If you think that infoboxes are so crucial to the building an encyclopedia that you plan to plow on proposing them and ignore the collateral damage, well so be it, but I hope you give some serious thought to the advice you have been given by several experienced editors who are not members of either the Classical Music or Opera projects. ] (]) 10:53, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you. I don't plan to start infobox proposals on talk pages, enough is enough. To ask an author whose preference I don't know should be possible, no? Infoboxes are not crucial, but I would like to see Bach cantatas consistent. Please look at the other discussion, to have only one, --] (]) 11:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::When did you leave? It can only have been very, very recently, given actions like . And if you have left, you don't need to bookmark disputes , do you? In fact, why not just remove the entire ] section if you're through with infoboxes? ]] 08:54, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::]. I didn't record the reverts of two symphonies after that, and will not add. The page is a historic document, and many links from the case go there. --] (]) 09:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Perhaps {{tl|hat}} and {{tl|hab}} the section to mark it as history rather than anything active? It might also help lower temperatures and act as a discouragement to others to carry on where you left off. ]] 09:17, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Do it if you think it's helpful. --] (]) 09:44, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

:Someone appears to have hijacked your account to add an infobox to a classical music article this morning: see ] Obviously it wouldn't be you, not after you reassured me just a couple of hours ago with "I left projects classical music and opera, the areas of conflict. If I added an infobox you could simply revert it, and now I will not even add one." "Phew", I thought, "Gerda is going to put this behind her now." Before I block your account as compromised, is there another explanation? ]] 10:43, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::. That I left the project doesn't mean that I don't care about the articles I created or am the main contributor, nor that I will not write new ones. The projects will be free from my unwanted discussions. --] (]) 10:52, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
:::In other words, you have no intention of complying with the restrictions that arbcom placed on you? . Where does it say that if your view, you are a main contributor, you can continue adding infoboxes? ] (]) 11:05, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
::::Please keep this discussion in one place, the other, where the same question was raised. --] (]) 11:27, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

{{od}}Everyone lay off Gerda. This anti-infobox obsession of the classical music projects is the stupidest, most damaging thing I have ever seen on wikipedia. Over half of all articles already have infoboxes, the only question should be about design and content, not their existence itself. Given that I happen to believe that every article not only needs but deserves a good infobox, maybe I should step up next and start adding them to classical music articles, eh? Then someone can take me to a drama board. Please, let's just never end this stupid infobox war. Sheesh! ]<sup>]</sup> 00:52, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:Gerda, I hope you will ignore such inflammatory and, frankly, asinine posturing. I also hope you will not seek martyrdom, as you have plenty to contribute to Misplaced Pages, in music and elsewhere. My advice is to bite the bullet for a bit, and concentrate on the articles that interest you; much needs to be done in the field of Bach and elsewhere. I and others don't have a completely closed mind on the infobox question, and I am happy to continue talking to you about ways in which valid objections (not, incidentally, confined to classical music projects) might be overcome. But you need to be aware that, for a while at least, you will be walking on eggshells on this issue. Keep your profile low, avoid provoking people's sensitivities, and it will be possible to make progress. Fighting to the death is an empty option. ] (]) 09:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
::In case any of that lecture was addressed at me, ], and just so we're clear, I'm not anti-infobox or pro-infobox in principle - some of my FAs use them, some don't. <small>Many of my GAs use an infobox, {{tl|infobox church}}, that I think exemplifies many of the worst trivialities of infobox parameterization. But that's beside the point for now.</small> What I have been trying to get Gerda to do is to back away from the issue ''in advance'' of being forced to do so by the impending Arbcom restrictions, and expressing my frustration when she added an infobox to a classical music article after I understood her to be saying that she would not be doing this again. This just gives ammunition to those who have been saying that Gerda has developed a battleground mentality and / or an "]" attitude, and it gives ammunition to those who want to paint infobox campaigners in a bad light. I know that Gerda is perfectly capable of working excellently across Misplaced Pages on a range of issues, in article space and away from article space - I just think that wasting time on the infobox wars is, well, a waste of time. ]] 10:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you, all three. As Smerus said several times, I am grown-up (see above). Classical music is not against infoboxes ''per se'', I explained that in detail in the other discussion. I would love eventually to not talk about individual articles, but groups, for example orchestras and Bach cantatas, two topics where I don't see the slightest conflict. Let's calm down and then do it. Any volunteer to take the reverted infobox of ] and the one proposed for ] to the respective article? To help the reader understand at a glance that the long German title, followed by a translation and a catalogue number, is a work by Bach? ... year and location? ... let him know the sources of the hybrid text and the voice parts? - Regardless of how good or bad the article is, an by whom, these are facts important for a reader. Please let him have them at least for articles for which I feel responsible, - accepting that it is impossible at present for the several that Nikkimaria wrote. --] (]) 11:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
::::Calling for volunteers to carry on the battle in which you're about to be prevented from participating isn't a good idea. It will inevitably be seen as an unworthy attempt to sneak around the restrictions if you do it after the case is closed, so please don't start doing this now. ]] 11:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::What can we do? The premiere of one cantata is 5 September. Can we establish a user page where I can propose an infobox and some indepent judges examine it and handle it? Other ideas? --] (]) 11:33, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::So what if one cantata premiered 5 September? Why should I, or anyone else, come up with ideas to help you get around the forthcoming Arbcom restrictions that would prevent you from adding the infobox yourself? ]] 11:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::::I still think of the readers, more than the authors. It's not a forthcoming restriction that prevents me from adding it myself, but a voluntary 1RR rule. I would modify the phrasing but can't, now that you responded. - Please, keep the discussion one place, - the other. --] (]) 11:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
::::::::I give up. You clearly aren't in the mood to listen to anyone. ]] 11:54, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
{{od}}Bencherlite, I believe you have good intentions here. But the problem I see is thais: Anyone who is accused of anything, then gets on the wrong side of a dominant faction, simply is not allowed to defend themselves; what I would call "presenting a case, with evidence," is accused of "IDHT" or "not listening" or some other variation of "]". This troubles me a great deal, because it makes ArbCom and the other places people seek resolution of problems into a kangaroo court or, wore yet, a budding ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:17, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
:And that is why this place is broken. You can't fight a rearguard action when there's nothing to defend. I'm also of the mind that "going away until things get better" just makes the shock all the worse when you come back and realize that it's still a mess and isn't getting better. ]] 18:50, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you Gerda for the kind message on my Talk page. I had not encountered you before reading the ArbCom case, but you appear to be a kind, dedicated and courteous contributor of the type that Misplaced Pages sorely needs more of. With very best wishes, ] (]) 15:31, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Editor's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Gerda, I am truly saddened to see the ArbCom finding against you, as you are quite possibly the kindest, most encouraging, compassionate editor on the entire project. Thank you for all your work, both in article space, and in "Precious". Happy editing. '''] ]]''' 15:33, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
|}

==Trying something out==
Can you take a look ]. The addition is mine. Please let me have your comments, but ''on my talkpage'' rather than on the article's talk. as I want to keep this low profile. ] (]) 19:03, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
:Did you intentionally have no link to CM? I don't like the overlap in the last line, but that will go away if liked enough to have the links at the bottom, as for BB ;) --] (]) 21:50, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

== Arbitration case closed ==

An arbitration case regarding behaviour around the use of Infoboxes in several articles has now closed and the final decision is available at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:
{{quotation|1=<nowiki></nowiki>
#{{user|Pigsonthewing}} is indefinitely banned from adding, or discussing the addition or removal of, infoboxes.
#{{user|Nikkimaria}} is admonished to behave with the level of professionalism expected of an administrator.
#{{user|Gerda Arendt}} is indefinitely restricted from: adding or deleting infoboxes; restoring an infobox that has been deleted; or making more than two comments in discussing the inclusion or exclusion of an infobox on a given article. They may participate in wider policy discussions regarding infoboxes with no restriction, and include infoboxes in new articles which they create.
#{{user|Gerda Arendt}} is admonished for treating Misplaced Pages as if it were a battleground and advised to better conduct themselves.
#{{user|Smerus}} is reminded to conduct himself in a civil manner.
#All editors are reminded to maintain decorum and civility when engaged in discussions about infoboxes, and to avoid turning discussions about a single article's infobox into a discussion about infoboxes in general.
#The Arbitration Committee recommends that a well-publicized community discussion be held to address whether to adopt a policy or guideline addressing what factors should weigh in favor of or against including an infobox in a given article.

}}

For the Arbitration Committee, — ]] 00:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
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==== Stand and sing ====
* Everybody following ] knows that it was not about infoboxes, harmless things that serve an article like a cover a book, - look if you dare.
* I keep hoping that people will ]. {{diff|User talk:Brianboulton|572346396|572345200|This looks promising!}}
* I ] for ].
* Ich ] und ]. --] (]) 06:27, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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You opened my eyes ;) - so many songs! - did you ever read my ]? (one of my better boxes on top) - Did you know where "]" comes from? In the stanza "Trotz dem alten Drachen ... und der Furcht dazu", --] (]) 18:40, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
:Wow. Still just dipping my toes into that ], quite overwhelmin for a po' hillbilly like me, but I sure can feel -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:13, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
::You say the greatest things so simply. ]. Singing is so much more profound than writing about it, --] (]) 20:41, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

:::It isn't classical, but both song and album have infoboxes! And it is a ]: ]. But WE love YOU Gerda! So chin up! ]<sup>]</sup> 21:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

== Bach Cantata Day! ==

Gerda, very saddened to see that you have been experiencing wikitrials and wikitribulations. I just wanted to drop you a line to let you know you are an awesome wikipedian, and this place is much better with you around. In your honor, I listened to several Bach cantatas today, #s 26, 53, 55, 56, 61, 68, 70, 82, 89, 98, 130, 151, 157, 174, 180, 189. Thanks for all the great music. ] (]) 02:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
:You are awesome! (I said so before.) - You can't be sad anymore after that experience, right? ] ((The Spirit gives aid to our weakness)). Did you read the discussion about ]? Warum betrübst du dich, mein Herz (Why do you trouble yourself, my heart), - I heard that one yesterday. The case is closed, but you might still add to the discussion, ]. It's a bit kafkaesque (]) that the same users who want to protect "their" articles (keep free from infobox) deny others the right to have their articles their way. The interests of the readers seem to play no role. Did you know this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Did you see the "cheerful and optimistic" music on top? --] (]) 06:35, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

== Identitybox ==

{{Infobox book
| name = The End of the Road
| italic title = no
| image = <!-- Let's skip this. There are so many different covers anyways, and none of them are strongly associated with the book -->
| author = ]
| country = U.S.
| language = English
| pub_date = 1958}}
{{Infobox book
| name = The End of the Road
| italic title = no
| image = <!-- File:EndOfTheRoad.jpg -->
| caption = 1st edition
| author = ]
| cover_artist = ]<ref> Retrieved 2013-09-19.</ref>
| country = U.S.
| language = English
| publisher = ]
| genre =
| pub_date = 1958
| pages = 230
| preceded_by = ]
| followed_by = ]
}}

Just to make sure we're not talking at cross purposes, can you tell me exactly what you envision an "Identitybox" to be?

I imagined what you meant by "I like to show an unprepared reader at a glance what an article is about" was exactly what I was aiming for at the article for ] (which is a bit of a mess now over this stuff). What I wanted was the first box to the right. What was forced on the article was the second (with a Fair Use image that can't be shown on your talk page). Basically, I wanted a box that gave a quick overview to the article, and that applied to all editions. A number of editors at WikiProject Novels have insisted that {{tl|Infobox book}} ''must'' be about the first edition, and ''must'' include an image of the cover of the first edition. They also strongly suggested I inlcude info such as the Dewey decimal number. ]&nbsp;(]) 03:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

:The credit for inventing the identitybox goes to ], please read ]. I don't "envision" it, but think it's a step forward. I would go for a bit more, adding time and place, librettist, language and publishing. I am not familiar with the special requirements for books, but a similar thing happens in music, where some editors want only the premiere performance listed, but I would say that Mendelssohn's performance of Bach's ] after 100 years deserved mentioning, also the many different editions of a ] (this was installed in 2007, naturally not by me who joined in 2009, - and here people still believe in an infobox war). - It probably needs to be decided case by case, and there's the possibility of having more than one infobox. O dear, how many times did I use the ] ;) --] (]) 06:00, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:Adding: in some infoboxes, music has the possibility of listing detailed information about a premiere performance, clearly marked as such, ], - I could imagine something like that for a first edition of a book, --] (]) 06:50, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::On the books issue, the rational arguments are all on Curly Turkey's side; indeed, the {{tl|Infobox book}} is an example of why writers of opera and music articles generally remain antagonistic to the idea of infoboxes. First, the article is about a novel, not about the first edition of a novel. Secondly, an infobox is defined by WP as a summary of the ''key facts'' about a subject. The name of the artist who designed the first edition cover is not key information about the novel, nor is the number of pages, which may well change from edition to edition. Dewey classification is marginal info which also changes with editions. The "preceded by" and "followed by" information is confusing and pointless – does it mean the book is part of a series, or are these merely the previous and next novels of the writer? In either event, it is simply not key information relevant to this novel.
::If I were CT I would politely reject the project editors' suggestions. I'd keep the front cover for illustrative purposes. I'd perhaps provide a caption under the illustration stating that this was the "first edition cover, illustrated by Mr X". I'd request that the "Publication date" parameter be specified as "Original publication date", and I'd drop the pages numbers and the preceded/followed by stuff. ] (]) 10:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:::I ''am'' CT, and I'd ''love'' to "politely reject the project editors' suggestions". If you ], though, you'll see that that polite refusal is not an option I've been granted. Two of the three editors in question are admins, and I don't doubt ignoring their "suggestions" would result in a block on me. I haven't dared touched the box since ] first fiddled with it (although ] has)—I have no intention of being accused of editwarring. I've been informed "the infobox information is supposed to familiarize the audience with the original first edition physical form of the book", which I think is out-and-out ridiculous, but the two admins have decided that it's decided, so no further discussion shall take place. ]&nbsp;(]) 12:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::::I saw the discussion ;) - Don't be afraid, not every admin blocks, not even I (who needs to be told that Misplaced Pages is no battleground) was blocked so far ;) - I agree with your reasoning in the case. Now comes the tricky question how much influence the author has. I see double standards: if he wants no infobox, he gets support and protection from the arbs, - if he wants one things are different, look at ] mentioned above, look for "a dead letter" and follow the link. --] (]) 13:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::I don't think that's altogether fair, Gerda. An editor who went about summarily removing infoboxes from others' articles would normally get pretty short shrift. The main areas of discord have been around attempts to impose infoboxes where their inclusion is disputed. To return to CT's problem, the assertion that "the infobox information is supposed to familiarize the audience with the original first edition physical form of the book" is to say the least highly questionable, and doesn't meet the WP Infobox Project definition of "a quick and convenient summary of the key facts about a subject". But I can understand CT's unwillingness to enter into a "brick wall" argument. Sometimes it's wise to step back, even when logic and right are on your side. ] (]) 14:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::::The same editor is . He's fully aware I dispute this. He's added a Fair Use image despite the comment about why there isn't one, and has added fields as well, without discussion, even though he knows I dispute it. He knows he's got a couple of admins to back him up so that I won't have the balls to do nything about it. ]&nbsp;(]) 20:51, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::I don't know what you mean by not fair. An editor summarily removed infoboxes from others' articles and was just told to behave. Two editors did NOT (in 2013) summarily add (impose) infoboxes to others' articles and were restricted anyway, that's my reading. I am the main contributor to ], but it doesn't have an infobox like 100 or so other Bach cantatas for the simple reason that I didn't "create" it. Does it make sense? Not to me. Perhaps I have a language difficulty? You won't believe how far I stepped back already ;) --] (]) 15:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
{{od}}
Perhaps people would be less likely to claim the irrational was rational if they actually read template documentation? In the case of {{tl|Infobox book}}, it says:

; preceded_by: Title of prior book {{em|in series}}
; followed_by: Title of subsequent book {{em|in series or sequel}}

(emphasis in original). I'm pretty sure the sequence of, say, Harry Potter, James Bond, Discworld or Inspector Morse novels are significant to their readers. I think you will also find that the majority of music articles have infoboxes; and that you don't speak for their writers. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 11:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't understand what you mean by "less likely to claim the irrational was rational" – possibly you meant it the other way round. In any event, the casual reader should not be required to read template documentation to discover that a book is part of a series. ] (]) 14:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::To be fair, the book sequences were not under dispute. ''I'' added them a long time ago out of ignorance, and when it was pointed out that's not what they were for, ''I'' removed them, and nobody protested. ]&nbsp;(]) 12:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::I assure you I meant it exactly as I wrote it. However, I was not referring to "the casual reader". <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 18:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Plenty of editors simply copy and paste templates from a model article to the one they're working on and then fill in the fields. Some are not even aware that there ''is'' documentation, or how to access it—it's not in the least intuitive that one should preface the template name you see in the article source with "Template:" to reach it. I had long since ceased to be a "casual reader" before I learned that. ]&nbsp;(]) 20:39, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::::What can we template designers do to be read and perhaps be understood better? {{tl|Infobox Bach composition}} Some templates come with one-letter-symbols for view/talk/edit, did you know? {{tl|Benjamin Britten}} Could an infobox have the same? --] (]) 20:54, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::That's not a bad idea. Alternatively, one could place "See <nowiki>]</nowiki>" as a hidden comment beside the template name:

<pre>
{{Infobox turkey <!-- see ] -->
|breed = Curly
|flavour = Delicious
|best_bite = Drumstick
|gravy = Fuggedaboutit}}</pre>
:::::———]&nbsp;(]) 21:32, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::Delicious! Only: how to spread the good news, when people don't go to that place because they don't find it, simply copy from chicken? --] (]) 21:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::::A bot, perhaps? I can't image such edits being controversial. ]&nbsp;(]) 22:13, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::::You mean a bot could add that comment to ]? Probably. (So far I thought you meant in the documentation which users don't find.) The same bot could add that the source for the article begins below the infobox - for those who think the infobox code at the beginning of the source is confusing to editors. (You won't believe some of the arguments against infoboxes until you see them. My favourite, slightly reworded: the box takes away attention from my beautifully crafted article.) --] (]) 07:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I've seen all the arguments. I'm not entirely sympathetic either—especially to the argument about articles with infoboxes opening with a pile of code. I'd like to see a more elegant solution, and one that's easier for newbies to navigate, but I still see greater value in having infoboxes than in not. Something I ''do'' agree with the disinfoboxers over is that infoboxes tend to become dumping grounds for every trivial detail, can be crammed with distoritions or gross oversimplifications, and can be overloked when details in the body change (so that, say, the infobox gives us one figure, while the body gives us another). That's why I'd like to see infoboxes kept short, simple, and to the point, like the box I provided above, rather than something like ], that tells us that ''this novel'', yes ''this one, too'', can you believe it? — has the Dewey decimal number 813. I'm surprised the dimensions of the first edition hardcover aren't provided—how else would a reader know if the book will fit in their bag? ]&nbsp;(]) 08:08, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::Agree! I like the short one and would not need the name of the cover artist. - I am thinking about fields to have in the box (for search functions etc.) but not show. Example: if an article title is ], you don't need to be shown that the genre is symphony, but would want programs to find it when they look for genre=symphony. - What do you think of the box in ]? (by the inventor of the identitybox) --] (]) 08:46, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::::::ps: I agree, see {{tl|Infobox musical composition}}: "The template is very general and therefore offers a great choice of parameters. For a given composition, use only those of relevance," --] (]) 09:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Re: "genre=symphony": is there any reason this kind of thing shouldn't be left entirely to WikiData?
:::::::::::Re: ''Diary of a Nobody'': I do see a couple of issues. "Publisher" doesn't make it clear that it was the ''first'' publisher—Andy's proposed changing the parameters to make that clearer. Personally, I'd just drop it from the infobox and keep it in the "Publication history" section of the article, regardless of Andy's proposed changes.
:::::::::::With "Media type" I see multiple issues: "Print, audio and eBook"—this seems to imply that J. W. Arrowsmith, the publisher listed, is responsible for the audiobook and eBook versions. In fact, according to Amazon, there are multiple audiobooks from different publishers, none of whom are J. W. Arrowsmith. Ditto with the eBook. Further, why is the publisher the ''first'' publisher, but the medi type ''all'' media types? Obviously, the audiobook and eBook versions were not part of the book's 1892 rollout. Again, personall, I don't see "Media type" as being of infobox scope in the first place, and wouldn't consider using it in the first place unless there were some special significance to it (can't think of an example off the top of my head).
:::::::::::Then there's one more thing that has gotten to me for some time: "Author" when there are two? "Author(s)" is an ugly (and common) alternative, but it seems to me that the software should be able to handle something like this, especially now that we have Lua rolled out. Of course, that's a bit outside the domain of article editing. ]&nbsp;(]) 10:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::::Re: "The template is very general and therefore offers a great choice of parameters. For a given composition, use only those of relevance,": I love the philosphy. The OWNers of Infobox Book don't subscribe to that philosophy, and have decreed the opposite: "The template is very specific and offers a large number of mandatory parameters. For a given book, use all those possible". Software won't fix that. ]&nbsp;(]) 11:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

== Re:Precious ==

Thank you. You made me blush. ] (]) 13:05, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
:Don't - look for "blush" above, I do it sometimes ;) - nice to meet you! --] (]) 16:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
:: Hah. Pure coincidence, or great cheeks blushing alike? There I go again. :) ] (]) 17:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
::: Beautiful phrase, thank you! - I became afraid to blush because you saw what happened, twice? --] (]) 17:10, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much! :) ] (]) 09:30, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks, I should upload some more photos, I haven't for a while. I spent 2 weeks in Germany in August but I didn't get to ride on any trains (mainly because the ticket machine in ] did not accept my Australian credit card. Progress!)--] (]) 10:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
::progress ;) - I met you on our "missed users", remembered above, - nice to meet you! --] (]) 10:38, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

== From Cumbria's Woods and Fields ==

Hello, dear Gerda. How nice to run across you ''chez'' Olivier Messiaen. I've been marooned in the English Lake District for most of the past four weeks (looking after ancient mother) and it is a tonic to see WP entries from you and other friends. Hope all is well with you. Hugs, ] (]) 15:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
:A lot - not all - is well with me, I am doing content again! My first request for peer review is open (click on the first word on my user page), I ], celebrated ], and I enjoy ]! (The arbs have not commented it, - do you think they even understand?) - Not all is well, I dedicated ] to ], gone "to our collective loss" (to use your phrasing), loss pictured on top. --] (]) 15:37, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
::I love the template. Utterly outrageous! Glad to see you are a fan of Chéreau, whose Bayreuth ''Ring'' cycle was one of the funniest things I have ever seen. The dragon on wheels, the Wanderer with his birdcage, and the laundry-bag containing Erda brought tears of laughter to the eyes. I just wonder if Wagner would have thought such frivolities appropriate. ] (]) 16:24, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

== JSB ==

Alas I am busy travelling until end November. At a quick glance there are some major issues over idiomatic English. Amongst these, you need to explain what you mean by 'parody' in the section heading. Also explain 'missa tota' etc.....Best--] (]) 14:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
:I did what I could, please check, --] (]) 12:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

==Infobox request==
Work your magic, if you have a few minutes: ].--] (]) 23:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
:Done. Did you know that Simeon is among ]? --] (]) 10:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

==Another experiment==
Hi Gerda. Can you suggest, informally on my talkpage, your ideas for the format of an "identibox" that might be suitable for classical composers? ] (]) 16:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

== Gem ==

Thank you very much for that (from an admirer of your Cantata articles). ] (]) 13:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
:So nice to hear that! The cantatas are more or less written, I go around and equip those of the upcoming Sunday with accessibility features such as {{tl|lang}} and infoboxes, as far as my restrictions allow, - ] before adding an infobox to one of them ;) --] (]) 13:11, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
::I saw today, and thought that the review – and the book being reviewed – might be of interest to you, if you haven't come across them already. ] (]) 16:22, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Garden of heaven - what a great image - thank you! Gardiner is pictured in almost every GA I wrote, for reasons ;) - Feel free to chime in for my first request for peer review, linked on the first word of my user page --] (]) 22:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Garden of heaven? Do you mean castle of heaven, or perhaps Gardiner of heaven?! I'll have a look at your B Minor Mass; a favourite piece, I sang Alto in it aged 14 back in the 70s. ] (]) 08:24, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your supportive feedback.

In ] I was unsure of the best option for ''Infobox musical artist | background''. I chose 'non_performing_personnel', but he does perform when he conducts. I posted a comment about this at ].

I'm waiting patiently for a verdict on my new article ], but I realise this may take a few weeks.] (]) 22:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for what you do, - patience is very helpful ;) - I am travelling and will be off for most of the next weeks, but will look eventually if nobody else does, --] (]) 22:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

== Infoboxes clarification request archived ==

Hi Gerda, the infoboxes clarification request in which you were named as a party has been closed and ]. The Committee clarified that acting on behalf of a restricted user to breach a restriction is ] and so is not permitted. For the Arbitration Committee, ''']''' (] • ] • ]) 00:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
{{od}}
], which is ] says {{tq|"Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) '''unless they are able to show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits'''"}} (my emphasis). <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 11:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Precious ==

]
Thanks for the sapphire! '''' It's nice to feel valued, particularly as my contributions have been so sporadic over the past years. And thanks especially for continuing this tradition -- I'm sure you've made a lot of people feel their contributions are worthwhile. Have a nice espresso on me <small>(feel free to exchange for the beverage of your choice)</small> :) ] <small>(])</small> 01:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
:I like the Espressp, thank you! You should change you name to ] ;) - you expressed well that I ]. Look for "blush" above ;) --] (]) 06:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

== DYKs on Portal:Germany Comment ==

Hi Gerda. Thanks for maintaining this section including putting my double DYK for ] and the ] on. I was chuffed to see they topped the ] for October! --] (]) 22:04, 3 November 2013 (UTC) P.S. I'm missing Germany, though!
:German DYK is fun to do! Written in Spain ;) --] (]) 22:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Ermutigung==
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What we need ;) --] (]) 08:46, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

:Genau.
:Ich sehe, dass du neulich ein bißchen Ärger bekommen hast. Aber ''"Sei gegrüßt, du mit Gnade Beschenkte. Der Herr ist mit dir."'' --] (]) 13:27, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
::Gracias ;) - Siehst du einen vernünftigen Grund, warum Wilfred Byng Kenrick keine Infobox bekommen sollte? Vorgeschlagen auf der Diskussion, --] (]) 14:03, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Danke, daß du meine Übersetzung so geschätz hast! Leider ist dieser Artikel immer noch unvollständig &mdash; da steht noch etwas Arbeit vor :). Ich interessiere mich sehr für das Thema 68er-Bewegung und schreibe auch gerne Artikel über Musik aus der Zeit (insb. Ton Steine Scherben). Es freut mich wirklich, dass meine Arbeit anerkannt wird; dies dient als Nachweis, dass ich bei der Arbeit etwas produktives leiste :) -] (]) 19:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Jahrhundertring==
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Really glad to see this cultural milestone make it into the encyclopedia and onto the front page too. Well done! ] (]) 03:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you, see ] :) --] (]) 08:51, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for Jacques Schmidt==
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== Kafka box ==

See, I ''can'' defend them ;) --'''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
: You made my day ;) - you were a second faster, because my edit summary was a bit longer - the IP's "not needed" is one of my favourite reason, of course not ;) - who needs anything here, it's all volunteer work, until someone feels the need to {{diff|User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz|581366264|581361680|interrupt productivity, following teh rulez}}, --] (]) 20:30, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
:: ;) Nine supports is almost as good as ]! --'''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:45, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
:::The ] had ] and it didn't help ;) --] (]) 21:18, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Before my time at TFA, but it sounds quite unjust! I have earmarked it for tomorrow's book at bedtime :) --'''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>'''
:::::Justice and Misplaced Pages don't go together ;) - this was 2013, when the rule of no second appearance was strictly enforced, - did you know that the witch anyway that day ;) --] (]) 22:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of André Diot==
] Hello! Your submission of ] at the ] has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath ''']''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 21:12, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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== nothing secret here ==

Hello Gerda, nice to meet you. Are you really the Notorious Infoboxen WikiCriminal that has been terrorizing the music articles? :-) &nbsp; As you can see from my first posting on AGK's talkpage, up above the duromac thing, I am *also* a notorious wikiCriminal. Or at least, notoriously silly (AGK blocked me -- then later unblocked me -- when they mistook one of my not-all-that-funny jokes over on the Bishzilla talkpage).

But my ''actual'' question for you is this -- I did not really understand your reply to me.

:: ''(watching) Simply thank you! (I would use the button, but it doesn't work for IP. Also there's nothing secret here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC)''

Well, okay, I understood the watchlist part, and the thank-you part. You are surely welcome. <bows>

But what button and what secret thing are you referring to? I do login as an IP, of course (you can call me 74 if you like), but ] has registered a pseudonym; they are the one submitting the article, not me. Maybe the link to the 'secret' thing in my message was was confusing -- it is just a ] character, one of many not-very-notable-toys which has a long article in mainspace, badly in need of cleanup, and short on reliable sources. The pokeman-article is '''not''' related to the Duromac thing, directly, I was just using it as a metaphorical example of how wimpy our deletionist-standards are when something is 'popular' to some degree in the english-speaking-world. ] (]) 14:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

:74, nice to meet you! (Feels like ], no real name ;) - But then I'm a friend of ], also no real name but heart and reason.) - First: yes, I am the terrorizing witch, only nobody told me so far what that terror is, I see no evidence, hear only echoes of former wars. You enter a battleground: you are a warrior, - easy. ]: after gracing seven Schubert masses with an infobox I continued with Mozart, interesting story followed ;) - Now to your question: between registered users, there's a function where you simply click a button for an edit and have thanked the editor who made it, and it's more or less secret between the two. Sometimes I use it where I would not do it in public ;) - I wanted to thank you for your diligent research and the way to present it, I watch ] since ], ], - the former was more fun ;) --] (]) 16:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Appreciate your thank-you, kind and gracious humanoid. 74 does count as a name of sorts; think of it as a ]. :-) &nbsp; Since I am an outsider, and have only heard rumors of the Dread Infoboxen Wars, you should take my nutshell explanation with a ] of salt...
{{collapse top | infoboxen oh nohz!}}
:: &nbsp; The story seems to be, that some editors who are very particular about *appearances* (the visual layout of the article and the style of how wikipedia appears to the readership) ended up annoyed at infoboxen *generally* as too data-oriented or too formal or too something, long before your arrival. So, when you came along with your wikithusiasm for spreading tightly-summarized knowledge, these visually-oriented editors mistook your love of the readership, with a ]! <gasp> Personally, I never read the infoboxen, except in articles about chemicals, in which case I often *only* read the infobox-data. There is a new project, called WikiData, that has the potential to satisfy both yourself (e.g. there can be wikidata that the composer was born in YYYY that is easily accessible to readers *without* necessarily changing the page-layout) and the visually-oriented style-conscious editors; it is still in beta phase, and seeing the shape of what it will become is difficult at this point, but I have high hopes.
:: &nbsp; Anyways, what it boils down to, is an *artistic* argument about aesthetics: does the page LOOK COOLER without the infoboxen, or with the infoboxen? As with any argument about looking fashionable, there is always going to be more heat than light, more noise than signal, and so on. The arbcom decision to make infoboxen illegal, and you a notorious wikiCriminal, was a deeply flawed pragmatically-motivated attempt to keep talkpage decorum, to end the endless aesthetically-motivated edit-wars, and in general decide the fashion-question by fiat. The '''problem''' is that they ended up compromising our deepest principle, the encyclopedia anyone can edit, which boils down to Liberty. (The second, unstated, half of the principle was also run over with a tank: Liberty and wikiJustice for all.)
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:: You can see the same kind of respect-my-authoritah problems elsewhere, with the ever-growing list of Arbitrarily Enforced Discretionary Sanction topics (which will soon cover half of mainspace), the ever-growing list of semi-protected pages (the encyclopedia only ] Contributors can edit), and in so many other ways. The rising authoritarianism is deadly to wikipedia... growth in active editor-count ceased years ago, and has been steadily declining since. WMF has proven they are unable to help us, so we have to solve this one ourselves. Part of the *motivation* for draconian pragmatic arbcom decisions that violate the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit, is purely and simply that no arbcom member, no admin, and few semi-admins-using-twinkle-huggle-stiki-reviewer-rollbacker-etc '''can spare the time''' to follow the five pillars. They are busy-busy, rushing from fire to fire, and there are no reinforcements coming, whilst the readership grows and grows and grows.
{{collapse top | retention oh yehz!}}
:: &nbsp; This busy-busy crap leads to brusqueness, template-spam on user talkpages, ban-hammer first then let somebody else sort out the bodies, and most damagingly to aristocratic cliques and an us-versus-them caste-system wikiCulture. Worst of all, it is a vicious cycle where we shoot ourselves in the foot, every single day: nobody spares the time to be nice to beginners, so they leave, wikipedia is no damn fun. That means we'll *never* get reinforcements, we'll *never* be less busy-busy, we'll *always* suffer from steadily declining ].
:: &nbsp; Okay, enough whining: I am quite sure the problems can be fixed. We need to have a vast influx of new blood, and the only way to do that is by making wikipedia fun again. I am forming a not-a-cabal, which will rule the wikiverse with the iron fist of friendlyism, and force wikipedians to enjoy themselves here whether they like it or not. You are cordially invited to join. :-) &nbsp; The not-a-cabal runs on a shoestring at the moment, holding brief meetings in the back alleys of the wikiverse on various user-talkpages, plus some of our agents have infiltrated the staid and prestigious halls of the ]... but with any luck soon the not-a-cabal agents (colloquially known as ] nazis) will be everywhere.
:: &nbsp; Our goal is simple: steady inexorable growth of editors that contribute at least 5+edits/month, from the current 31k-and-falling figure today, to one million for enWiki. The trick is to make sure they are 99% Good Eggs, which means we have to assume that at least 1% of humanity is basically good -- enWiki has a couple-few hundred million uniques per month in terms of readership, at the moment. My core assertion, and key assumption, is simply that way more than 31k of those people are Real Contributors; if we want them to stay, all we have to do, is simply to keep from driving them away.
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:: We get literally 1000 new editors every month! Problem is, we lose 1050 editors, every month; that *must* stop. Thanks for listening, and thanks for improving wikipedia. p.s. Upgrades, unofficial tutorial, and the 'official' helpdocs, too. ] (]) 13:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

== DYK: Julia Gerity ==

Hi Gerda, - should I re-edit the DYK nomination to reflect the new sentence, or just leave it as "ALT2" and that will be seen correctly? (Btw, you're missed!) -- ] (]) 22:34, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you for both! No need to reflect. I asked you before, because if I had done it, a new reviewer would have to check. But switching from brackets to commas is no reason for that. The one who fills prep can decide. See below: I still write on the topics, just without disturbing the "collegial atmosphere" ;) --] (]) 09:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

== St John Passion ==

Gerda, fresh from spending a total of about eight hours in St Thomas's (less in St Nicholas's), I'm acquainting myself properly with this work via Gardiner's recording—bit by bit, many repetitions, as is my style. I had vastly underestimated it. ] ] 03:28, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
:Great! I sang it every other year for a while, alternating with ]. What do think of ] for next lent, similar to ]? --] (]) 09:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

==DYK for André Diot==
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==Discussion at Template_talk:Bullying#RfC:_Template_links==
] You are invited to join the discussion at ]. {{#if:|{{{more}}}}} ] (] - ]) 04:33, 15 November 2013 (UTC){{z48}}
:Thank you but I poosibly don't even want to know what bullying means, --] (]) 07:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
::No hard feelings. Fladrif, one of the users involved in the template dispute, has unfortunately returned as an IP, {{IP|75.7.198.193}} back in June. That IP was soon blocked for block evasion and personal attacks; his talk page access was disabled as a result. In my view, Fladrif's attitude was basically off-putting and I seriously cannot stand that turkey's actions. I took a break back in August for partially that kind of abuse. Other than that, I hope everything goes well around here. Best wishes, ] (] - ]) 19:21, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Now you got me interested after all, see ]. - "All" is not well, see above, look for Kafka, but I'm getting used to the absurd and enjoy the ] ;) - Did you vote keep for the ]? --] (]) 21:28, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

== Ian Johnson TFAR ==

I've had another go at trimming the lead, with more of an eye on "cricket-speak", just in case it goes ahead. I've opposed, but only because we have had a few cricket articles in 2013. Just to be clear, I've no objection whatsoever to you nominating cricket articles, I just feel we need a break from them. Feel free to nominate any of the ones I've worked on after a little time had passed. Just let me know if you want me to look at any future cricket blurbs. ] (]) 22:32, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you! That's useful ]. - I was first to mention 2017, did you see that? - I was not going for cricket but for an article by an author to whom I wanted to give Precious, - he wrote other FA than cricket, but they appeared ;) - If Johnson is not chosen now, the author will just get Precious without TFA day, - I do that all the time, just now the date seemed so nicely close, --] (]) 22:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

==Info-boxing==
You , "'' my two entries to a given infobox discussion per day''". As I read it, the ] is an absolute limit, not a daily ration. As this particular case may well go to ] and the enforcers tend to be quite draconian, you may be subject to further sanctions. I suggest that you withdraw your extra comments while you can. ] (]) 09:24, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:One extra "comment" (answering a question!) was saying that I am restricted, the other (answering another question!) that I will not use my time for looking. Sanction me for that please, to make things more absurd, --] (]) 09:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::{{tps}} Do NOT sanction Gerda for answering my question, please. I never would have asked her if I knew there would be any sort of problem with it. ] ] 09:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Doc, look around, for example for "Kafka" and "terrorizing", - I am amused, looks like I may be sanctioned for diplomacy, but now nothing surprises me here any more, --] (]) 09:38, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::I had not read the full text of the restriction. There is no way you are going to be sanctioned because of what I asked you there. If you are, I will make quite sure it is overturned. And my apologies for inquiring there without looking into it further first. ] ] 09:46, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:::No problem. How can people know that I am a woman who needs to be restricted? That if they insert any infobox they are making a proxy edit because I would want one? (On top of my user, there is a link from "nobis", - I am so proud of my template.) - I wrote on ], it really helps, --] (]) 10:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
::You've got a "]" on, yet your block log is unblemished. Quite odd, indeed. ] ] 10:05, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Also I am still {{diff|User talk:Newyorkbrad|580783102|580771045|waiting for one diff}} of what I did "disruptive", on top of that being a word with a positive ring for me ;) --] (]) 10:16, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Warden, there was nothing wrong in the final comment (essentially a "no comment" comment) and I for one would be happy to take any Arb to task if there was any censure. Although they do stick strongly to the rules, however, I do believe that they show sufficient common sense on most occasions to overlook something like a "no comment". I also fail to see how this matter will end up at "Arbcom enforcement", given there are no breaches of anything they ''would'' get involved in! - ] (]) 10:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For getting involved in the interests of mediation and offering a happy alternative. There's no point in taking risks, so no diffs provided ;) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 09:30, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
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:No diffs needed, supplied above ;) --] (]) 09:33, 16 November 2013 (UTC)


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== Your ] nomination of ] ==
Hello, after you changed back my changes to the English translation of the titles on ] and three other articles, I started thinking about what the best way to handle translated titles was. I've started a discussion at ] and thought you might want to provide some input. Thank you. <span style="background-color:#B7D9F9;border:solid 0px #0E5CA4;padding:0px 3px;border-radius:3px">]&nbsp;<span style="border-left:1px solid #0E5CA4;padding-left:3px">]</span></span> 03:36, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
The article ] you nominated as a ] has been placed on hold ]. The article is close to meeting the ], but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See ] and ]&nbsp;for issues which need to be addressed. <!-- Template:GANotice result=hold --> <!-- Template:GANotice --> <small>Message delivered by ], on behalf of ]</small> -- ] (]) 18:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:There was a discussion (forgot where) resulting in: if the translation of a title is used as a title in English (such as ''The Flying Dutchman'') it gets treatment as a title, otherwise not. For Bach's 200+ cantatas, there always exist different translations, most of which are no titles. Even the German titles are mostly not a true title but the first line of the text, sometimes not making sense without the continuation. I suggest until we got clarification, you keep those you changed consistent with the others. --] (]) 07:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


== BEAST == == call for collaboration ==


* {{y}} ] needs attention to appear among the Recent deaths, ]. --] (]) 09:03, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Thank you! <b>]]]</b> 16:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you for expressive music! --] (]) 18:23, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


== ITN recognition for ] ==
== ] and ] ==


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Gerda. Sorry I had not noticed that you had so recently created the Te Deum article. It's all got a bit complicated at DYK, but should it not be a double-nom with both of us getting some credit? Although maybe Te Deum is just a bit short?? A pity that PotW got in the way, but s/he did it in the best of good faith. Not sure where to go from here. Anyway, I'm off to bed. --] (]) 23:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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:It is a double nom, with three credits, Andy as nominator, you for the church (a beautiful article!), I for the music which will grow a bit until it appears. No problem, right? I know an expert who will sort the credits ;) --] (]) 23:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
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today

my story

Jean-Michel Defaye,
a pianist, arranger and conductor
known for his collaboration with poet
and singer-songwriter Léo Ferré,
composed pieces for trombone and piano
in the style of composers
from Vivaldi to Stravinsky.
watch
9 January 2025

(from User:Gerda Arendt/Stories)

memory and music

in memoriam
Mozart: de morte transire ad vitam
5 January · Tatort service
Marienkirche, Aulhausen
4 December · opera
Théâtre des Champs-Élysées

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2025 talk

story · music · places
Die Fliege

We move from 2024 to 2025, with new calendar pictures and new music. The topic of Bach's chorale cantatas will keep me busy until 25 March, and then I want to focus on performances more generally, in history and in my experience. You can follow my daily stories, {{User Gerda Arendt/Top}}, often with an image and something to listen to: let's stay inspired and connected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

#call for collaboration points at issues where I need help, such as reviews. Ongoing efforts regard locations that played a role in my life, recent deaths, music heard and sung, composers, gardens. Watch my user page for articles, done in collaboration. Compare 2024 for the amazing number of users who began and expanded articles. Thanks also to reviewers, and I do plan to review more and write less, and in writing, focus more on quality than the little daily article.

2025 calender pics and musical events begin here, and the 2025 diary of my own pictures of places, songs, food, flowers ... will come here, - just watch those lists if you are interested.

My talk goes like this: on top there's the "story" related to the day. Below are three or more boxes, often one for people remembered and others for musical experiences, performing or listening. In these boxes, topics related to the top story and topics featured on the Main page appear bold. Right here you see the image of the month with songs of the month, typically related to meetings with friends who gave them to me. I archive from time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

From 2024

Women in Red January 2025

--Lajmmoore (talk 17:49, 28 December 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Your GA nomination of Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben, BWV 8

The article Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben, BWV 8 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben, BWV 8 and Talk:Liebster Gott, wenn werd ich sterben, BWV 8/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Aza24 -- Aza24 (talk) 00:24, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Aza24, thank you for the thorough review. I understand that in order to make Bach's chorale cantatas a good topic, this cantata - as part of it - has to be a good article, and I am willing to put work into it to make it so. However, right now I'm working simultaneously on several others with the same goal, and they require less work. I see me getting to serious changes for BWV 8 after the others, which will be in February. (The only one written later, BWV 1, is already a FA.) I'll make small changes now, perhaps today, but will then have to ask if the nom should remain open for longer or be closed and started over when I'm ready. Y'all: any help with this one and the others - making changes or reviewing - is welcome, see above, #calling for collaboration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft:William Owen (composer)

Gerda, I was asked to help on this because it failed draft review. I added a few sources, but thought maybe you would like to take this on as it is about a hymn composer. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC

I am interested, and thank you for thinking of me, but I have a few things I want to handle first, - just look above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Graham87

Did you read Misplaced Pages:Wikipedia_Signpost/2024-12-24/Opinion? With one of your photos: Misplaced Pages:Wikipedia_Signpost. I've already sent him encouraging words. Grimes2 (talk) 11:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I had no time, thank you for pointing at it. I don't see a photo though. - Ah, in the overview, playing Haydn on Welte-Mignon piano --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

2025

 Have a happy New Year filled with light!

Hi Gerda Arendt, Best wishes that the new year brings peace, good health and happiness.
Thank you for what you do for the encyclopedia and this community. And a special thanks for sharing music and your lovely photos with me throughout the year.

Image: New Year's Eve Foxfires at the Changing Tree, Oji, Utagawa Hiroshige, woodcut, 1857

Netherzone (talk) 15:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, still working on the last cantata for 2024, - will probably come over tomorrow with a photo or more tomorrow, to continue sharing. You can probably guess that the new calendar pics will be at User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2025--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks in 2024

The Special Barnstar
Happy New Year, Gerda Arendt! In 2024, other editors thanked you 1604 times using the thanks tool on the English Misplaced Pages. This made you the #3 most thanked Wikipedian in 2024. You were also the #2 most thankful Wikipedian in 2024, having used the thanks tool 2777 times. Congratulations and, well, thank you for all that you do for Misplaced Pages. Here's to 2025! Mz7 (talk) 19:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Giving is better than receiving. Happy New Year. Grimes2 (talk) 20:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, great helper all around, for example the latest RD for which I had no time due to real life! - I wonder about the ratio of (lazy) click-thanks to real typed thank-you notes, and hope that I can offer more of the latter kind. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg)

The article Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg) for comments about the article, and Talk:Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg)/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article is eligible to appear in the "Did you know" section of the Main Page, you can nominate it within the next seven days. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of AirshipJungleman29 -- AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:01, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

New compilation of cello music from Venice

Good morning Gerda, have you already seen this article? Some composers such as Rita Stroh already have WP articles, but there might be more in this compilation from Venice. - Best wishes for a great New Year. Munfarid1 (talk) 08:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, interesting! I'm behind with some topics that are related to anniversaries, but then - in a few months - I'll look! --(forgot to sign yesterday) Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Wilhelm Brückner (luthier)

On 4 January 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Wilhelm Brückner (luthier), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Tone 13:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Articles of people who recently died have been a focus from 2019. in 2025, they have been a daily topic, both on the Main page were Helmut Schlesinger appeared from 31 January until 5 January, but also in the daily little articles, with the one exception of a Sunday. Not all of them made it to Main page appearance, but were at least improved. Storye book is great in finding images, MONTENSEM in polishing composers' articles, Thriley in translating to begin articles for people with red links, Grimes2 all around helpful in finding and exploiting references, and several excellent in posting (just look belpw). Anybody can review!

  1. Wilhelm Brückner (luthier) - Tone 4 Jan
  2. Dada Masilo - Masem 5 Jan
  3. Loretta Di Franco - Masem 5 Jan
  4. Tom Johnson - Spencer 6 Jan
  5. Jean-Michel Defaye - Stephen 8 Jan

ITN recognition for Dada Masilo

On 5 January 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Dada Masilo, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Masem (t) 13:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

— Masem (t) 13:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Loretta Di Franco

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— Masem (t) 13:32, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Alexander Goehr

The article Alexander Goehr you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Alexander Goehr and Talk:Alexander Goehr/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Simongraham -- Simongraham (talk) 13:42, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Tom Johnson (composer)

On 6 January 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Tom Johnson (composer), which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer 21:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Herr Jesu Christ, du höchstes Gut, BWV 113

The article Herr Jesu Christ, du höchstes Gut, BWV 113 you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Herr Jesu Christ, du höchstes Gut, BWV 113 and Talk:Herr Jesu Christ, du höchstes Gut, BWV 113/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Kyle Peake -- Kyle Peake (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

call for collaboration

ITN recognition for Jean-Michel Defaye

On 8 January 2025, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jean-Michel Defaye, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 22:35, 8 January 2025 (UTC)