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Sharaf al-din al-Tusi

Hi, Thanks a lot for your contribution to Sharaf al-din al-Tusi's article which led to a very nice solution according to me. I tried to move my comment at the end of your talk page but i failed, so sorry for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikaviani (talk • contribs) 21:21, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

@Wikaviani: I'm glad I helped. Thank you. Wiqi 13:26, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Aisha

Hi. Can you please check the recent edits on Aisha's article? A user has added new information but I'm not sure about the reliability of sources. Thanks. Keivan.f 08:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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Ibn Taymiyyah

Yep, thanks for catching that. I misread the removal as an addition. Eperoton (talk) 17:45, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

@Eperoton: No problem. Keep up the good work. Wiqi 20:01, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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hi. I added another sources to quote. this quote is clearly from Zakaria Al-razi. if you search you will find out. with best regards --– Hossein Iran « talk » 07:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

@Hosseiniran:, many historians have already rejected the attribution of these quotes to Razi. The article makes note of this, citing specialists in Islamic philosophy, as well as briefly summarizing the views expressed in the disputed quotes. Please read the section you're adding the quotes to. Wiqi 08:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Abu Hatim Ahmad ibn Hamdan al-Razi (Islamic scholar) held a debate with Zakariya al-Razi. he mentioned his debate in the book (debate between Abu hatam al-razi with Zakariya al-Razi). I used 3 references for the paragraphs and the first one was not attributed, it's original quote and 2 others are attribtution of the paragraph.--– Hossein Iran « talk » 12:26, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

@Hosseiniran: The quote you keep adding was written by Abu Hatim, not Zakariya Razi. In fact, Abu Hatim never mentioned Zakariya Razi in his book. The article already explains this in one paragraph based on recent and specialist sources. The other view is also summarized in one paragraph. Adding a lengthy misquotation would give more weight to one view over another which is not inline with WP:DUE. Wiqi 16:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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@Kansas Bear: No, I only edit using this account. The recent activity made that page more noticeable on my watchlist, so I took a closer look. Wiqi 22:37, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Abdullah Ibn Saba

Hi thanks for your edits it helps in removing some of the bias in the introduction.

However I just wanted to add that their are several Shia writers who affirm the exsistance of Ibn Saba not just Sunni so this should also be added in the introduction.

Also there are also pld Jewish texts which confirm his jewish roots and they describe him as a Shia initiator or developer of the sect.

ShaniAli1lo (talk) 07:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC) ShaniAli1lo (talk) 07:52, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@ShaniAli1lo: I think we could use a paragraph explaining why Ibn Saba' is notable from the point of view of early historians. I'll go ahead and add something which should cover your first point about Shia tradition. Wiqi 16:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Good start. I just think one final edit is warranted regarding the contention of his Jewish roots in the introduction. Old Jewish texts have mentioned Saba as a former jew apostate in their texts he is described as a follower of Ali and the iniator of the Shia sect.

This can be quoted directly from the book called: History of the Jews Volume 2: From the roman empire to the early medieval period. By Simon Dubnov page 330.

The book quotes "Ali had the cooperation of of Abdala, ben Sab, an Arab Jew, who embraced Islam and proclaimed the dogma of a second advent of Mohammad before the end of the world and WHO WAS ONE OF THE FIRST INITIATORS OF THE SHIITE SECT"

Sorry I could not highlight the quote so I instead used capitals for the important part of it. This should be added after the "his jewish roots have also been contested" sentence in the introduction as several Jewish sources affirm his existance. Thanks for your good work and help. ShaniAli1lo (talk) 19:16, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

@ShaniAli1lo: My impression is that these pre-modern Jewish sources are just repeating what is said by Sunni/Shia historians. I'm not sure if they add anything notable enough for the lede, plus the "contested" sentence seem to cover both sides. If you have sources that provide new details/arguments on his Ancestry, then I suggest you add them to the "Ancestry" section first. Wiqi 05:57, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Your edit at Abbasid Caliphate‎ was not exactly closer to the source

Here, where the source and the text both said Persian, you changed Persian to Iranian with an edit summary saying you were making it closer to the source. Sure, you made some other helpful changes, but Persian and Iranian are not exactly the same thing and you should have left it at Persian. I've fixed that now. Doug Weller talk 11:37, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

@Doug Weller:, the source uses Persian in the general sense, which should not be confused with Persian people -- a specific ethnic and linguistic group. Previously the article correctly reflected the source when it linked "Persian" to Iranian people; I just made that point more explicit. Wiqi 10:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

But surely that's your interpretation of the source. Remove the link by all means, but we shouldn't decide that a source really means other than what it says. Note that I also change the bit about "most" of the leaders as the source doesn't say that. Doug Weller talk 12:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Please look again at the diff. "Most" was already in the article before my edit. The same goes for "Iranian" but was hidden behind a link. I just made an editorial judgment to unhide it per WP:LINK: "The text needs to make sense to readers who cannot follow links." In retrospect, I find it more accurate, especially when compared to the interpretation you're currently maintaining: that Persian should be understood as Persian people -- a specific ethnic/linguistic group excluding other Iranians. I'm currently inactive on wp, if you're contesting which interpretation is right then I suggest you leave it ambiguous by just linking to Persian (which matches the source's wording). Wiqi 17:29, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorry if you misunderstood me. I know that 'most' was there, but it still isn't what the source says. I'm not sure what author meant by Persian, perhaps there are clues elsewhere in the article. Ok, I checked and see "(For the distribution of the Persian population in Sasanian Iraq, see Morony, pp. 181-213) and speaking of Baghdad "here were considerable Persian elements in its population". There are a lot of comments in the source that make me think it is Persian people. Thanks very much for taking the time. Doug Weller talk 18:33, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for your recent input. I'm responding here, as I don't want the article talk page to become a forum. The issue of consent is an interesting one. Ehud R. Toledano argues that concubines didn't have much choice in their sexual relations, but he says the position of wives wasn't all that different, because marital rape wasn't criminalized in most countries until recently. He also adds that many pre-modern women had little choice in their marriage partner, a view that is reflected in the article arranged marriage: "Arranged marriages were very common throughout the world until the 18th century". Brown concurs: "the lack of choice faced by female slaves taken as slave-concubines by their owners did not differ much from the lot of brides headed into marriages arranged by their families, either in medieval Islamic civilization or Western Europe". Toledano rightfully calls this discussion an "anachronism", because seen through our contemporary lenses, even medieval marriage can appear to be a form of sexual slavery.VR _talk 15:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you for your kind advice. I'm aware of the works of Kecia Ali, which I find valuable, but hindered with argument from silence conclusions. I hope Toledano and Brown don't follow that same path. While hoping for more Fiqh works to be examined, other literary forms can provide better evidence for slave treatment (court records, genealogies, historical reports, etc). I'm aware of at least one anecdote where presumably a Qadhi freed a slave who rejected her master. This and other similar reports do suggest that concubines did have at least some choice. Wiqi 22:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Wassalam, I know that Brown covers sources pretty broadly, in fact he even covers Shia sources, something that Ali doesn't. Here is another source that attributes some agency to them in the matters of sale.VR _talk 02:05, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

@Vice regent: Thanks for the link. Will definitely check Brown's book. Also as early as the 16th century we find Shafi'i texts stating that a master cannot marry off his female slave to a non-Kafa'ah without her consent. See Zayn al-Din's Fatḥ al-muʿīn. Hence in some circumstances her consent is required, contrary to what Kecia Ali has claimed, although she is aware that her conclusions are provisional pending further search (2017, p.150). Wiqi 22:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Well if you can find good sources for these claims then you should add them to the relevant article.VR _talk 23:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Vice regent: A 5-minute search didn't turn up any academic secondary sources. But there are pre-modern commentaries on Fatḥ al-muʿīn, although I'm not sure if they can be considered secondary sources in this context. Wiqi 02:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

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