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== "Linguafranc"== |
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== Set Phrase: Lingua Franca == |
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The discussion simultaneously started on this talk page and ] regarding the spelling of the song has been moved to ]. Feel free to post any subsequent comments including ones regarding this album ''specifically'' there. Thank you. ] <small>''(])''</small> 15:56, 17 December 2013 (UTC) |
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The SNSD song "リンガ・フランカ" means "Lingua Franca". It is an internationally used set phrase which is used since the 17th century<ref>{{cite web|title=lingua franca|url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lingua%20franca|publisher=Merriam-Webster|accessdate=11 December 2013}}</ref>. '''That's more than 400 years of writing it that way!''' A ] is a language used for communication among people of different mother tongues. In the SNSD song they sing about love being their global language, their Lingua Franca: |
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"Fall in love around the world, girls! |
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Now it's lingua franca, lingua franca", |
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"¡Enamórense alrededor del mundo, chicas! |
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Ahora es lingua franca, lingua franca", |
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"世界中で恋せよgirls! |
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今リンガ・フランカ リンガ・フランカ". |
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Writing the set phase "Lingua Franca" as "Linguafranc" must be considered a misspelling. --] (]) 20:50, 11 December 2013 (UTC) |
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: Under "Chart" section, there is "<nowiki><!--Don't change this. "Lingua Franca" is an unofficial (fan) romanization--></nowiki>". The user which included this has a reason for its addition. ] (]) 06:17, 12 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:: "リンガ・フランカ" was first released on the "]" single (June 19, 2013). Therefore,{{br}}'''the appropriate place for a central discussion is''', in continuation of an identical thread there,{{br}}''']''', please. (Has added advantage of additional{{br}}international comparative romanised wikis.) {{nowrap| {{nbsp}} {{ndash}} Ian, ] (]) 10:44, 12 December 2013 (UTC)}} |
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:::I have clear proofs! |
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:::# ''Official song title:'' The official title of the song is リンガ・フランカ ! Only this Japanese title exists! Proof are the official tracklist by the label Universal Music Japan<ref>{{cite web|title=2013年第1弾シングルが5/29に発売決定！タイトルは「LOVE&GIRLS」 カップリングにも新曲を収録！|url=http://www.universal-music.co.jp/girlsgeneration/news/2013/04/05|publisher=Universal Music Japan|accessdate=16 December 2013}}</ref> and the official press release of the entertainment company SM<ref>{{cite web|title=少女時代3rd Album「LOVE&PEACE」リリース！！|url=http://www.smtown.jp/news/50-news-shoujojidai/382-3rd-albumloveapeace|publisher=SM Entertainment Japan|accessdate=16 December 2013}}</ref>. |
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:::# ''Common title use in Misplaced Pages:'' It is common to use the official song titles in a Misplaced Pages article, example: 첫 눈 by the group EXO (Chinese release: 初雪), only the original song titles are used. Parentheses (round brackets) inform about meanings and/or translations!<ref>{{cite web|title=Miracles in December|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/Miracles_in_December|publisher=Misplaced Pages|accessdate=16 December 2013}}</ref> |
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:::# ''Translations'': Translations of song titles should be real translations! Official dictionaries should be used to get correct translations. In the case of リンガ・フランカ the official English translation is "lingua franca".<ref>{{cite web|title=「リンガ・フランカ」で始まる言葉 - 辞書すべての検索結果|url=http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/srch/all/%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BB%E3%83%95%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AB/m0u/|publisher=Goo 辞書/Goo Dictionary|accessdate=16 December 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=リンガ・フランカ|url=http://translation.babylon.com/japanese/to-english/|publisher=Babylon|accessdate=16 December 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=リンガ・フランカ|url=https://translate.google.com/?hl=en&tab=wT#auto/en/%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BB%E3%83%95%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AB|publisher=Google Translate|accessdate=16 December 2013}}</ref> |
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:::# ''Specialty of "lingua franca"'': It's a loan word<ref>{{cite web|title=Latin Loan Words|url=http://www.english-for-students.com/Latin-Loan-Words.html|publisher=English for Students|accessdate=16 December 2013}}</ref> which is usually only used by people with advanced language skills! |
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:::# ''Correct title editing'': リンガ・フランカ (Romanization: Ringa Furanka, English: Lingua Franca) |
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:::# ''Concerning the alleged iTunes spelling'': If iTunes does have the song listed as "linguafranc", it's an embarrassing misspelling! Only correct language spelling should be used in Misplaced Pages! |
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:::# ''Misplaced Pages admins'': This is what I will send to the Misplaced Pages admins to prove my point and in case I will still be harassed with false accusations. --] (]) 08:11, 16 December 2013 (UTC) |
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::::@]: I think we will achieve the best consensus by consolidating talk on this naming. The track originates from ] {{ndash}} thus, I think the equivalent discussion at ] is the best place. Are there issues you have with the usage that are particular this article? {{nowrap| {{nbsp}} {{ndash}} Ian, ] (]) 04:46, 17 December 2013 (UTC)}} |
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== Special Version: 13th track == |
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== Special Version: 13th track == |
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Does anyone have more info about the writers and producers of the 13th album track, Love & Peace (Special Version)? |
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Does anyone have more info about the writers and producers of the 13th album track, Love & Peace (Special Version)? |
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All I know is the title: Blue Jeans. |
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All I know is the title: Blue Jeans. |
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It does sound like a ] track; Zedd, the producer who wrote and released] (covered by S.M. The Performance), ] and ]!--] (]) 19:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC) |
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It does sound like a ] track; Zedd, the producer who wrote and released ] (covered by S.M. The Performance), ] and ]! --] (]) 19:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:It would be great if you could find some ] about "Blue Jeans" because apparently the track does exist but I can't find any mentions about it other than on some forums and on youtube. ] <small>''(])''</small> 19:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:It would be great if you could find some ] about "Blue Jeans" because apparently the track does exist but I can't find any mentions about it other than on some forums and on youtube. ] <small>''(])''</small> 19:44, 16 December 2013 (UTC) |
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::"Blue Jeans" is a fanclub edition bonus track therefore I doubt it will be easy to find a reliable source. Only albums ordered through the fanclub included the bonus track.--] (]) 23:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC) |
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::"Blue Jeans" is a fanclub edition bonus track therefore I doubt it will be easy to find a reliable source. Only albums ordered through the fanclub included the bonus track. --] (]) 23:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Is there some kind of announcement on the website? ] <small>''(])''</small> 03:01, 17 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Is there some kind of announcement on the website? ] <small>''(])''</small> 03:01, 17 December 2013 (UTC) |
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::::There is one but the fansite is just avaible for Japanese members. I just asked a friend in Japan. --] (]) 14:18, 18 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::In other words, it is a bonus track which is available in special limited edition for fanclub members. ]<span style="color: #Ce000e;"><sup>(]|]|])</sup></span> 15:26, 19 December 2013 (UTC) |
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::::::No sure if this is considered "reliable source" or not, but on January 25, 2014 a programme called "M-ON! LIVE 少女時代 「GIRLS’ GENERATION Free Live ”LOVE&PEACE”」" was aired on MUSIC ON! TV (http://www.m-on.jp/info/news-topics/2014/01/25/32845/) in Japan. The programme interviewed the members of Girls' Generation regarding each song, and track 13 "blue jeans (bonus track)" was clearly shown in a list for the album "Love & Peace" during the interview. You can see a screen capture from the programme in this image here: http://imgur.com/SkvQJw3 . Whilst it is not from Universal Music or SM Entertainment, I think the fact that it is broadcast on an official TV program rather than some forum post makes it slightly more reliable. Although I'm not sure how to cite this as a source, so any help would be appreciated. And to the original poster - no it doesn't answer the question of who is the writer/producer of the track. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Proposed merge with ] == |
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This song is not notable enough for a standalone article (See ]). Per ], most songs do not merit an article and "A separate article is only appropriate when there is enough verifiable material to warrant a reasonably detailed article". What little relevant info is here will fit in the album article. ] (]) 07:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC) |
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:'''Support''' Per ]. ] (]) 02:56, 30 April 2015 (UTC) |
Does anyone have more info about the writers and producers of the 13th album track, Love & Peace (Special Version)?
All I know is the title: Blue Jeans.
It does sound like a Zedd track; Zedd, the producer who wrote and released Spectrum (covered by S.M. The Performance), Clarity and Stay the Night! --46.115.53.226 (talk) 19:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
