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== General == |
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Can somebody include something about the torture device? -- ] |
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:Is the torture device also with dual caps? Small distinction, I know, with only two words in the title, but.... ] |
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::Good point. :-) -- ] |
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::::Plus the rack, and other torture devices. :-) -- ], being sadistic tonight. |
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:::::Let's start an inquisition. I have some unfounded accusations lying around. :-) ] |
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::::::I can have a stab at it over the weekend. This article btw belongs under ]. I will move it there at the same time as I work on the ''real'' Iron Maiden. ] |
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::::::::I just changed the bit that said 'iron maiden never partied hard' because this is clearly wrong - just watch the 'early days DVD.' They weren't insane partiers like some of the hair metal bands but they partied nevetheless. Adrian Smith was hungover as hell whilst recording his powerslave solo. |
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*http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/singerUnid/1783C233EE3D0E84482568D10021A869 |
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(all of which are effectively the same text as each other) --] |
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:The article has evolved so much now, I think it's no longer an issue --] 00:59, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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I can't believe that Bruce Dickinson doesn't get a mention - although, I couldn't write anything apart from him being a pilot nowadays. ] |
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I took the privilege to add the birth dates for the remainder of the group's members, and I would also like to point out that a few of the members (Nicko and Dave) originally have other names (respectively Michael Henry McBrain and David Michael Murray). I think we should add that info somehow, but keep pointing to their - eh - "artistic" names (ie. the ones they use most often these days).] 22:46, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC) |
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== Power Trip performance == |
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Added their real names now. How about we gather the data about the current lineup in a bulleted list? It's quite messy as it is right now. ] 00:44, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC) |
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:Go for it - for things like that you don't need to worry about asking first. All the old versions are stored in the page history, so you can easily change it back if something goes wrong. ] |
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Pinging @]: Regarding , please show me where in it states there were 100,000 at the festival (let alone at their particular performance), and that it was their "largest performance as a festival headliner in the United States". I don't see it confirmed. --] <sup style="color:black">]</sup> 17:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Hi, I linked the info once again - as the report says there were 100k people in attendance, and - as I perfectly know the history of Iron Maiden shows, they have never ever played for such a big audience in the States as headliner. I know we can't find this info straight out of the linked article, but it's kind of my personal analytic invention as an author of this part of Wiki info. There's an Iron Maiden site entitled Iron Maiden Italia and a few others where people concluded attendance figures and the fact Iron Maiden played their biggest headlining show in the States. For everyone who monitoring their tours, it's obvious. I must admit haven't seen a few days-long festival reports where the journalists shared info on how many people attended particular shows or days. Just think about Wacken Open Air, Rock Am Ring/Rock Im Park, or even Rock in Rio - the reports bring the general attendance data. It's just the standard. Nobody doesn't know how many people attended Power Trip 2023 on each show. The article shared by a reliable source as Louder Sound/Metal Hammer says the attendance figure that I mentioned. So, it's simple. Maybe I'm wrong but have never read on WIKI about festival performances with attendance reports describing the results of particular bands or days - just headlining performers. I thought it was obvious. And once again - if you want to change something in the articles, PLEASE talk about the problem with an AUTHOR. Deleting the data is so easy, and restoring that - is not. Regard ] (]) 18:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC) |
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I added a few extra previous members along with the dates they were in the band, I think it is a complete list, the various 'family tree's' I've seen over the years are a bit confusing. But I hoping this list is farily complete/correct. |
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::You might want to take a look at both ] and also ]. --] <sup style="color:black">]</sup> 18:32, 27 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::Seems like ] to me. ] (]) 18:51, 27 May 2024 (UTC) |
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The German wiki has quite a bit more info on the band's history but my German is very weak so I really can't take a shot at translation. Any takers? ] 16:33, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC) |
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== Recent edit warring regarding band membership == |
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:I could give it a try. My english isn't perfect, so I could make a mistake or two though. :) --]|] 16:49, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC) |
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:Thank you Red-tailed hawk. I have had to revert plenty of edits in the Infobox section as IPs were removing Nicko McBrain from current members, although there has already been sources provided that he has ''retired from touring'' from the announcement. None of the sources provided mentions that he is no longer a member of the band. In regards to the band members section, there is already the article ] that was covered on the touring and session members, and was reverting to tell them and go and see it there. In my opinion, touring members should not go in current members for the infobox or the band members section unless there are sources that confirm that they are ''official'' members of the band. ] (]) 21:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't each year point to the year in music rather than just the year considering Iron Maiden's about music? :) I didn't want to make such a major edit to the Iron Maiden article before receiving feedback here. Check out the ] page and you'll see that dates link to "in music" rather than just the year. For example, ] vs. ], the first 2004 being "2004 in music" and the second just pointing to 2004. Yes, I have way too much time on my hands. :) --] 10:59, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC) |
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::The new drummer of Iron Maiden is Simon Dawson (no relation with the Canadian politician ]). See for the official announcement, and for a page reporting it. If Maiden has an official new drummer, we can surely say with confidence that yes, Nicko McBrain has left the band in full, not just in tours (meaning, he won't be recording new stuff with Maiden either). ] (]) 15:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::I don't know why you provide a source that disproves your own statement. Iron Maiden's official announcement says that Dawson will join them for 2025, meaning as a live musician. |
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:::Both the original statement by Nicko McBrain and the talk of Bruce Dickinson towards the audience in Brazil confirmed that Nicko McBrain continues to be a member of the band. ] (]) 17:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Noticed a contradiction here, regarding who was the most punk sounding vocalist : |
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::::That's exactly what I am saying. There are multiple sources that report that while he has retired from touring, he is still a member of Iron Maiden. Every other source on Simon Dawson says that he is a touring drummer. Unless there is a source that says "Nicko McBrain is no longer a member of Iron Maiden" among hundreds of sources that state that he retired from touring, that should not be changed. ] (]) 17:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Do you mean the part "I will, however, remain firmly part of the Iron Maiden family working on a variety of projects, my long time managers, Rod Smallwood and Andy Taylor, have in mind for me."? That's a figure of speech. It means that he's not leaving because of a fight and stays in contact, '''not''' that he's still in the band. Note that he mentioned "the Iron Maiden family" he next mentioned Smallwood and Taylor, who are their friends and have been there behind-the-scenes during this time, but who are not actual members of the band (meaning, they play no instruments). And besides, you don't say "I wish the band much success moving forward" to a band you're still a member of. |
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'''Original singer Paul Day was much punkier than the man who replaced him, the outlandish Dennis Wilcock, a huge KISS fan that used fire, makeup, and fake blood onstage. By 1978, Harris and Murray had estabilised the Iron Maiden line-up with the addition of drummer Doug Sampson and vocalist Paul Di'Anno. |
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::::I cited Billboard on random, just the first noteworthy page I found reporting this. And it says "In a statement shared on Sunday, Dec. 8, Iron Maiden have now revealed that drummer Simon Dawson will take on the role of drummer for the band moving forward", which is quite clear. says "Fans also need to keep in mind that when Nicko McBrain replaced Clive Burr, McBrain brought his own feel and a completely unique style to Iron Maiden. With Dawson now replacing McBrain, fans should expect the same to follow with Dawson’s drumming.". On the other hand, you understand that his choice of words means that he has ''only'' resigned from touring, and that he will keep recording Iron Maiden albums as usual. Which is quite a bold statement. Nick McBrain has not said that. Has any source said that? ] (]) 18:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::{{tq|Do you mean the part "I will, however, remain firmly part of the Iron Maiden family working on a variety of projects, my long time managers, Rod Smallwood and Andy Taylor, have in mind for me."?}} That is what I am talking about. It's further more proof that he is still a part of the band. You can be in a band and not tour, as there are members in other bands that still retain their members even if they don't tour. ] (]) 18:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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If the band had sounded punk before, they did even more so with the arrival of the short-haired, fiery Di'Anno.''' |
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::::::Yeah, right. Has anyone actually said that, directly and plainly? Because that would be a massively important clarification to do under those circumstances. He hasn't. With "The Iron Maiden family" he's not making reference to the band (the group of musicians who record albums, go on tours, film videoclips and all that) but to the bonds of friendship that have been generated between the members of the band and a pair of other friends. He's saying that he's still in that second group, which is all nice and good for him, but not the stuff we're discussing here. ] (]) 18:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::It goes both ways, in which he could be referring to both the band and the fandom. I stand by what I said that you can be a member of the band and not tour. For example, the band ]. Their drummer ] and bass player ] are absent from their current tour, although Williams had made the decision not to go out on tour. Does that make them not members of the band? ] (]) 18:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Who sounded most Punk? --] 00:59, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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::::::::Don't know if this is valid source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J39JgVCMpLc&t=80s |
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::::::::Bruce is saying "He's not leaving the band, but he's just not playing live with us anymore". ] (]) 18:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I would like to suggest rewording the first line. To "Iron Maiden is a British Heavy Metal band from East London". By all means refer to them being a major player in the scene that was termed New Wave of British Heavy Metal. But as Iron Maiden are still current today the term NWOBHM is outdated, not relevant to them today and is a regarded by many observers as a bit of a joke term. NWOBHM is not a genra of music it is simply a media sound bite coined to describe emerging British Heavy Rock bands in the late 70's early eighties. The first line also does not scan well. |
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:::::::::Well, obviously ]. I did look into the quote Bruce Dickinson stated and there are other published secondary sources from '''', '''' and '''' that reported that exact quote as well. ] (]) 18:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Legally speaking many bands are a corporate entities, and actual membership is decided by holding a share of the ownership, otherwise someone is technically just a hired gun (example being ] who was with ] for 20 years before he was allowed to get a real seat at the table). What kind of legal membership does Iron Maiden have?] (]) 20:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::According to https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/OC335408/officers Nicko McBrain is still listed as a member of Iron Maiden LLP and Simon Dawson is not. ] (]) 09:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::* <s>Please stick to quality sources, e.g. ].</s> ] (]) 14:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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I added the history of the band. It was compeltly written by myself, so it is not copied from any site. Feel free to edit or add anything else that it's missing ] |
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::*:Please explain to me how a website by the UK government is not a reliable source? ] (]) 14:37, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::* OK, you're right. I missed the base gov.uk part. ] (]) 14:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Well then that seems to settle the issue, for now at least.] (]) 15:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Could this ever be a featured article? --] 12:11, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC) |
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:I reckon the prose needs a good pounding for grammar and variety first, at least. I'll try to do that when I get a chance (assuming no-one beats me to it) ] 15:53, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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::I'd love to see it as a featured article. --] 13:50, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC) |
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::: Hopefully we can get there eventually! Have added some images today, perhaps contentiously I have changed the intro from "Iron Maiden is" to "Iron Maiden are", pedantic I know, and either could be right, I think it reads better now though and follows band naming convention a bit better? --] 23:47, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC) |
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:::: Keep up the good work. --] 10:44, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC) |
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::::: Likewise :D Think we need an additional section as well as the main history section, it doesn't tell of any wild on the road antics, like Bruce and Ozzy wanting to steal a taxi, or the Martin Birch $666 crash repair, or the mockery Maiden made when they were asked to mime Wasted Years. Perhaps "Reputation" would be a good title? And also an "Imagery" section which could mention Eddie and the associated merchandise, like the cut-to-shape picture discs, Eddies Head box set, Eddies Archive box set, etc etc etc! Just a thought, but there's so much more could go in. Also, to ever get Featured Article, we'd need to ]. --] 23:21, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC) |
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"Iron Maiden never sang about drugs, sex, Jack Daniel's, or women." Really? What about the song "Women In Uniform" and less so "22 Acacia Ave."? --] 13:50, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC) |
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:Indeed, not to mention the subtly-titled "Charlotte the harlot". "Hooks in You" is downright kinky, if you listen closely to the lyrics. Anyhow, I've tweaked the wording a bit to reflect this. ] 11:12, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the edit regarding this to clear it up. :) To further comment, on Iron Maiden's Early Days DVD#1 there's an old show where they had some woman on stage, wearing what appears to be very little, for the song 22 Acacia Ave. --] 10:44, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC) |
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Not entirely comfortable with the first two paragraphs of History, think they need an overhaul, doesn't seem encylopedic and the use of the word punk / punkish is clumsy imo.... not sure how to fix tho. --] 23:13, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Members == |
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An anonymous editor added a ''Dave Mac'' as a guitarist in 1977. I'm sat here looking at ]'s 1996 ] for Maiden, and I don't see any mention of him. Can anyone back up the anonymous editor, or should I just delete it? ] 10:33, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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:No such thing. There has never been a ''Dave Mac'' in Iron Maiden. I just re-checked all the info with the official FAQ (which I'm the maintainer of). --] 16:19, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Guitar Solos == |
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Have Iron Maiden done any songs, exclusing covers, which do not include a guitar solo? |
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*Genghis Khan, off Killers, doesn't, which is odd seeing as it hasn't got any vocals either! --] 21:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC) |
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*Flash Of The Blade (Powerslave) is the same really in it's more of a rhythm section / dual harmony bit, not really a solo as such. Deja Vu (S/I/T) doesn't. And Journeyman (DOD) doesn't. Four, not counting singles and B-sides! --] 21:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC) |
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Actually Deja Vu does have a solo in the intro. ] 05:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC) |
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You're right! Wasn't bad off the top of me head tho :D --] 23:03, 29 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== Bruce's photo == |
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It's a great photo but could it be placed somewhere other than right next to "The Decline" it doesn't seem right to have his picture near such words, despite the content. It would be better placed next to "The Golden Years". --] 11:36, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC) |
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Uploaded image below to use in its place, but I like the rewording that someone did today! --] 23:09, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Bias == |
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Not to knock Iron Maiden or anything, as they are the best band in the history of the universe and all (\m/), but is "The band's music was often referred to as "intelligent metal," and is often considered to be on an entirely different intellectual plane than most other metal acts of the 1980s" a bit biased? |
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Personally, while I love Fear of the Dark and all, I wouldn't consider Iron Maiden intellectual giants, and I'm not sure many other people do as well (especially when compared to other bands like Faith no More and Tool.) Could this at least by given a reference? Where is the music referred to as intelligent metal? Within which publications? Often considered? By who exactly? |
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What is intelligent metal actually? Is it considered a genre? ] 15:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:A lot of the current detail ''is'' rather gushing, and need some general prose tidyup, too. As for the "intelligent" stuff - well, compared to Motley Crue, for instance? :-D ] 17:33, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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::Faith No More and Tool, the two bands that were mentioned, in this Bias topic, are interesting examples. Faith No More, IMO, wasn't really intelligent metal, and Tool formed in the 90's and wasn't around that I know of in the 1980s. Use the "intelligent metal" term to compare Iron Maiden to other heavy metal bands in the 1980s and examine the lyrics of others as to better gain a perspective on what "intelligent metal" could mean. How many other bands at the time were writing about historical events , spirituality (beyond mentioning Satan and demons), and other such things? Most of the others were either ranting about chicks, booze, good times, and money. To add to this: Do you understand all the lyrics behind every Iron Maiden album. Look at 7th Son of a 7th Son for example. Do you know what the title song is all about? Have you ever heard of ]? IMO in quite a few Iron Maiden songs they deal head on with a number of historical/intelligent as well as obscure topics whereas other bands would mention the name of an event or person and leave it at that, IMO. --[[User:Demon |
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Yes, I agree with Demonslave. While Maiden's lyrics may not be as intelligent as lyrics of bands like Tool, for example, they do have some very intelligent lyrics. Let's take Revelations, written by Bruce Dickinson. The lyrics are mindblowingly intelligent. This is part of an interview I found on maidenfans.com |
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Oh yes, absolutely. So the song is in three parts. The first one is made of the first verses from this hymn, and I chose it because there is something visionary in these verses. They were written about a century ago (Note: see text on the cover sleeve of Piece of Mind), and they describe exactly what's happening nowadays. |
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A lot of money goes around in our society, and the more money you have, the more miserable you are, in fact. The last verse, "Take away our pride", is the centre of the whole mystical universe. The main obstacle to communication and fulfilment is selfishness and a misplaced self-esteem, and these things divide the men. |
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The next two verses are a reference to hindu philosophy. "Just a babe in a black abyss" is an allusion to Aleister Crowley, the word "babe" refers to the human being, and "black abyss" refers to a desperate world. "No raison for a place like this" shows the nonsense of man's existence on earth if hope is no more. The second sentence in the second verse mentions the "secret of the hanged man". |
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In popular hindu imagery, the hanged man signifies to "good luck". This is why the hanged man has a "smile on his lips", and this is basically the secret of the hanged man. |
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Then, we get to the third verse. The most important sentence is"The venom that tears my spine". |
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Have you ever heard of the significance of the Hindu snake called "Kundalini" in the Yogi mythology? |
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In Yoga, there's a snake called Kundalini who is supposed to live at the bottom of the spine of each individual. During orgasm or an intense meditation, a spiritual entity called "Samadhi" is created, symbolising the transcendental union with God. Then the Kundalini is freed and goes up the spine all the way to the brain, where it releases its venom. The mixing of the venom with the brain substance create a union with God. |
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In the next verse, there's the expression "Serpent' Kiss", something Crowley discussed in length. Then, there's "The Eye of the Sun". The Sun is the symbol of the creator; it represents the male side of life. A bit further, there's the female side appearing in the term "Moonlight", where the Moon represents the woman. The verse goes, "Moonlight catches silver tears I cry"; and everything's revealed, because silver is the colour of the Sun. So, you find here the universe, with the male entity and the female entity, both being inseparable. |
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In fact, the universe, as seen in this philosophy, is dual, binary, and any notion only exists through its opposite. In other words, there isn't any manichean separation like in the Christian way of thinking, where good and evil are dissociated while trying to eliminate evil, only the Christian system of values is monolithic. All the other great philosophies encompass this duality of notions, like the Ying and the Yang in China, or the Jewish Caballah. Well, you know, you have to be careful with all these notions because it's all very complicated. |
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No, I think that as long as there is some mental energy coming out, there's nothing to regret. Here, I'm explaining everything in detail, but if only a fraction of the lyrics stands out and touch some people, then I think I won't have wasted my time. You can't convince everyone because many notions that are not used are in fact unknown by the majority of people. What's interesting with this song is that you can take only one verse and you can reconstruct a whole new text, make a brand-new song. |
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== External Links Funny Business == |
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Whoever is adding the multiple links to maidenfans dot com, please stop. One link to the site is good enough. I'm sick of editing duplicate entries out every day now only to see them return. It's worse on the ] page (which I explained in the talk section) (where I had to do the same thing remove duplicate links) where a user(s) were adding duplicate links to maidenfans dot com after I'd remove them over and over and now some user has been clearing the entire External Links section on the Bruce Dickinson page, which is very childish. If the vandalism continues on the Bruce page, and if the constant edits to include the duplicate links continue here on the Iron Maiden band page I will consult an admin to ban these offending IP addresses. The abuse will stop now. --] 18:37, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Discography == |
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The previously Featured Article for the ] has a separate page for the discography, I personally prefer this way of doing things, it'll clean up the main article, and on the discography page, singles etc could be included. Agree / disagree? --] 21:03, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC) |
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:I agree. I'm also planning on doing this on the Megadeth page, and splitting the "Band who have covered..." section off from here. ] ] 22:13, 23 December 2005 (UTC) |
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::There was already a discography page, so I've merged the information (think there were one or to items not on each page) and reorganised it slightly. Removed the details from this main page and added a link to "See Also" ] ] 14:07, 1 January 2006 (UTC) |
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== Major errors? == |
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As I was working with the ] (mostly a translation, really), I think I discovered a few, potentially major, errors. According to the Iron Maiden FAQ (which I sort of maintains, but haven't updated in years), there are some issues which we must resolve; |
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=== Soundhouse Tapes === |
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: ''"The first 4 songs EP was recorded at Spacewood Studios in Cambridge, England. The songs were: Prowler, Invasion, Iron Maiden and Strange World. Once the band returned with more money to remix, etc., the studio had wiped the master clean, so the demo tape (which eventually became the Soundhouse Tapes) was put onto vinyl exactly as it was recorded that night. It cost them about $400 or so. They didn't even have a place to stay, and actually had to stay in the back of their van!"'' |
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:: This I believe to be true - the above quotation is from the 12 Wasted Years vid --] 00:07, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC) |
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]s debut with Iron Maiden (on stage, presumably) was on New Year's Eve, however; |
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: ''"Paul Di'Anno's debut with Iron Maiden, at the Ruskin Arms, High Street North, Manor Park, East London, England."'' |
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In addition, ''Soundhouse Tapes'' was released on ]th ], and in 5,000 copies, not 500 as stated in the ]. |
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: ''"The Soundhouse Tapes EP was officially released (unmixed) on Rock Hard Records (Iron Maiden's own label). Only 5,000 copies were ever made."'' |
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:: According to the '']'' sleeve, it was released ]th ]. Hmm. I guess the FAQ is wrong about that one, then...? --] 00:27, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC) |
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=== EMI === |
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The band signed with ] on ]th ], although the deal wasn't official until ]th the same year; |
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: ''"Official announcement of Iron Maiden signing with EMI (in the trade bible Music Week). The actual signing was done back in October, though."'' |
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=== Band members, and ''when'' they were members === |
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I need to take a better look at this one and get back to you, but I'm not quite sure if the years are quite correct for all of them. No wonder, though, as the article surely states "a ridiculous number of band members throughout the 1970s". :) |
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: Dammit, they released a full family tree with a release, wonder if I've still got it? Can't remember what it came with! --] 00:08, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC) |
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:: You're right. Sadly, I can't remember it either. Could it be in the double-CD version of '']''? I have only the single-CD at hand right now. --] 00:27, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC) |
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::: No need to remember; comes to ! :) --] 00:31, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC) |
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:::: Damn! It still says that ''Soundhouse Tapes'' was recorded on New Year's Eve. I'm almost 100 % certain that it wasn't! --] 00:34, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Tales Of The Beast == |
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Hope you like it, needs work, please ] and edit it with force! --] 21:50, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC) |
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:: I'd like to edit/remove several of these sections particularly "In Trouble..." and "Somewhere On Tour." They just don't sound very encyclopedic to me. -- ] 01:35, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC) |
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::: Go for it! If editable, even better! --] 20:04, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Bibliography == |
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I removed the redudant references in the bibliography seeing as how they were 2nd and 3rd editions and two of them didn't have dates. If you think the most recent additions should be listed instead, feel free to go ahead and add those in. Just seemed silly to have 9 listed, but only 3 different books. - ] 20:56, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Thanks == |
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I'm a long time Iron Maiden fan from Norway, and I've also maintained their ]. I'm impressed by the work done with this article. I've seen it grown over time, and it's worthy a place on the Misplaced Pages front page anytime soon. Keep up the good work everyone, and '''up the irons'''! --] 00:41, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC) |
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Seconded! Think we just need references now. |
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Nicely done! This looks great. I use "Wrathchild" as my handle for video games and this article has made me want to go out a buy a couple more of their albums. ] 02:21, August 31, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Peer Review / FA == |
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The POV issues raised at Peer Review have now been heavily edited, references have been added, images are fine, ready for FA application methinks! --] 23:21, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Several points... == |
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Under "The Experimentation" it mentions the band using "keyboards" for a second time. SIT's sound is mostly derived from guitar synths - NOT keyboard synths. 7th Son, however, does have a greater use of keyboards. I didn't change the wording of this paragraph yet, but if there's no objections, I recommend we try to re-work that a bit. |
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"The Decline" - this section mentions the "major loss of guitarist/vocalist Adrian Smith" - Adrian was not really much of a vocalist. He did lead once, on a non-album track. I recommend we consider listing him as a back-up vocalist, or removing the vocalist wording all together. It's sort of unclear in its current state. |
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"The Rejuvenation" - I think the heading contradicts the text. A rejuvenation that not only met with mixed results, but had the lowest ever selling points and chart positions? What kind of rejuvenation is that? I also see that these headings come from the Iron Maiden Commentary, so perhaps we should re-think some of them to better fit the content that is at Misplaced Pages. ] 18:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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: Totally agree with all the above --] 18:43, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC) |
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:: I agree with your notes on Decline and Rejuvenation, but I don't know enough to comment on the keyboards. -- ] 18:44, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC) |
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::: Ok, I'll try to get some stuff in here later today. I also have to re-do some of my edits and additions that were lost because of the vandalism yesterday. ] 13:25, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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Also, the article makes it looks like "The Experimentation" started with Seventh Son, when it really started with Somewhere in Time. The article talks about Piece of Mind, but doesn't say anything about Powerslave and Somewhere in Time, their two biggest albums at the height of their popularity. For Powerslave, it should say how it is Maiden's most ambitious and perhaps second greatest album, second to only The Number of the Beast. Each member was in top form and the high level of musicianship of this album was undeniable. Many fans to this day consider it to be Maiden's best album ever, containing some of the best material they've ever written, especially the songs most consider to be the stand outs of the album, Aces High, 2 Minutes to Midnight, Powerslave, and Rime of the Ancient Mariner. It should include how Maiden embarked on one of the longest tours in world history, the legendary World Slavery tour, in promotion of the release of Powerslave. Bruce Dickinson's voice was burnt out at the end of the 11.5 month tour, and it is evident on Live After Death, recorded in Long Beach at the end of the World Slavery tour, which is still one of the greatest live metal albums of all time. For Somewhere in Time, it should say how Maiden made a risky move by introduce synths to their sound, which was an idea from guitarist/back up vocalist, Adrian Smith. The synths added texture to their sound, and gave the album a futuristic vibe, which fitted the theme of time. They recieved criticism for adding synths to their sound, after Bruce previously said Maiden would never use synths, and some people accused the album of sounding too poppish because of the synths. But the album was still very successful and went on to become Maiden's highest selling album of the 80s, going double platinum in the United States. It was yet another classic Maiden album, containing classic material, much of which was contributed by Adrian Smith. |
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This is very relevant information to know about Maiden in the 80s and I feel it must be included in the article. ] |
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:I agree with pretty much all MM has to say, though if we're adding more to the article we need to be careful of a couple of things. |
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:Point one - the article's getting rather long and may need to be split (perhaps take the discography and "bands who's covered Iron Maiden" into separate articles?). Point two - substantiating statements. While I do agree that Powerslave is one of their best albums, I tend to rank it alongside PoM as the two came out so close together. NotB is superb, but vastly different so I like it as much but on different merits. Dance of Death is also up there with them. As is 7th Son. But those are my opinions. |
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:The point I'm trying to make is that you can't say that "most fans think xxxx" or "one of the greatest albums" etc., as these are opinions and not fact. The article has to be objective and unbiased. Certainly, if a source can be cited (say a recent poll or chart) then yes, definitely go ahead and say these things. Otherwise we run into the danger of the article turning too "fanish" and fawning. Arguments can and will erupt, people will change things because they disagree with statements made and so forth. |
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:Oh, MM - I've added a little link to you below what you've said. Have to say your input is very welcome, so please sign it so we know who it's from :) If you click the little signature icon above the edit window, or enter 3 or 4 tildes, the system will but a sig in for you. |
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IainP: You made some good points there. This has to stay objective. One source that could be used is digitaldreamdoor's greatest metal albums list, which I happen to be the editor of. Ok, so the criteria may be a bit subjective, but still... ;) |
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Thanks for the help =) ] 18:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== Vote == |
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Please see ] and vote there. Thanks, ] 8 July 2005 04:35 (UTC) |
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== Well done everyone! == |
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Featured Article.... nice work peeps! --] 19:27, August 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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:Congrats and thanks for all your hardwork PopUp. Excellent job getting this one featured. -- ] 22:46, August 10, 2005 (UTC) |
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::On the front page on 31st August --] 18:55, August 21, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Recent News == |
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Apparently the band got SERIOUS jip on the last date of the Ozzfest tour - the sound was turned off several times, they were pelted with eggs, Sharon Osbourne called Bruce a prick (check Google News). |
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Also on a better note, the band are on the Hall Of Fame, in America, where they have left their handprints in the pavements. |
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Prob worth adding to the article somehow? --] 23:19, August 21, 2005 (UTC) |
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Why was the rest of my text about Ozzfest removed to focus on Iron Maiden's last performance at Ozzfest? Couldn't it have just been added? --] 19:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC) |
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Sorry - just trying to keep it of similar length to what it was before, by all means add it back --] 21:23, August 23, 2005 (UTC) |
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No problem, I was just wondering why. I have added most of the information back. Currently, there are two paragraphs about Ozzfest. Feel free to change that, I thought it just made things a little clearer, but do what you will. Also, should we link to the official statements from Iron Maiden and Sharon Osbourne in regards to "the incident"? --] 22:09, 23 August 2005 (UTC) |
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A short sentence would be fine, so as not to dwell on current events too much - I had a go at adding them but the links seem to be live, ie, they will point to something else in a few days time? Currently thinking of what to have on my Reading T-shirt, it was going to be "Scream For Me Reading" but after the events of the past couple of days I'm taking inspiration from the IMBB! --] 22:36, August 23, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Hall of Fame == |
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I vaguely remember hearing something about them getting added to some hall of fame. Anyone know about this? - ] 08:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC) |
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Added a bit, plus link. --] 10:30, August 24, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Grammar Note == |
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*Be sure to refer to the band itself in the singular, e.g. "Iron Maiden has…" and not "Iron Maiden have…" (If one were to say, "The members of Iron Maiden have," it would be correct, but a band itself is technically a single thing.) |
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:The "Iron maiden are a band from London" looks wrong to me too, but reading Raul's revert comment "this article consistently refers to them in the british style plural; while it grates on my ears, at least it's consistent", I believe we should stick to the plural form. But I'm sure there'll be many well-meaning people going to change this while it's featured on the main-page. ] 01:35, 31 August 2005 (UTC) |
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::There go the English, screwing up the language again. Sorry, I didn't see any "revert comment;" I'm not really versed in the whole Misplaced Pages thing. |
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:::It finally got to me, so I made the switch. I think I got everything. ] 01:54, August 31, 2005 (UTC) |
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::::Tsk! I am ''so'' going to change this back to the plural, but don't worry, I'll wait until it's off the main page. British heavy metal band = British grammar ''in international encyclopedia''. ] ] 18:57, 31 August 2005 (UTC) |
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*Titles of longer works, such as articles, short stories, or in this case songs are meant to be surrounded by quotation marks, not italicized. On the other hand, titles of longer works, such as magazines, anthologies, or in this case albums ''are'' meant to be italicized and not surrounded by quotation marks. |
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== Do these lines belong in this article? == |
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From "The Next Level" section: A group of Christian activists decided that the band's records (along with those of Ozzy Osbourne) should be destroyed - resulting in a mountain of vinyl records being burnt in a large fire. Pandemonium ensued when the activists were forced to flee the resultant fumes. It was then decided that smashing the records with hammers would be a better way to dispose of them. --] 03:34, 31 August 2005 (UTC) |
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== Vandalism == |
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FFS, do these people have nothing better to do..... very tiresome! --] 23:35, August 31, 2005 (UTC) |
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No. Obviously they don't. Tossers. ] ] 12:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC) |
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== Former Members == |
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Please see my comments on ] page. Seems unnecessary to me to duplicate this info and also to have seperate wiki pages (in most cases just links) for the non-notable early members. Perhaps the detailed history should be cut down from this page, or the other page deleted? Could argue the same for the discography, but I won't :) --] 21:01, 24 September 2005 (UTC) |
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== Lucozade Advert == |
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The article states that Linford Christie was featured in the Lucozade ad which used Phantom of the Opera. I definitely remember the advert featuring this track as being with Daley Thompson - but have a vague feeling that the Linford Christie version could have been a follow-up - so don't want to edit him out. Can anyone verify? |
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:I swear when I read the article a while ago it said Daley Thompson, which I definitely remember. I certainly have no recollection whatsoever of Linford Christie in any Lucozade advert, let alone one featuring Maiden ] ] 12:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC) |
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The piece on the Lucozade advert was put in by myself. I said it was Linford Christie as I certainly remember him doing this advert. I was going to edit it back but saw your explanation. If it can be verified that LC also did the ad, then we should put both names in! |
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== Eddie on ''all'' sleeves? == |
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Someone recently changed the fact that Eddie was on "most" album/single sleeves to "all" (sorry, forgotten who). Is this accurate? While I'm not banging my head off a wall trying to recall which they could be, I'm sure I've seen (very very rare) covers without him in some form or other. I'm prepared to accept the thing on the front of Fear Of The Dark as Eddie! However... Virtual XI (which I thought I had, but can't find - no great loss)? I cant picture the cover at all. I'm at work at the moment so I can't look! ] ] 12:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC) |
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Yes, it's Eddie on the cover of VXI. The only covers I can recall that don't have Eddie are the Running Free single (from Live After Death), Wasting Love single, From Here to Eternity single, and The Essential Iron Maiden. ] 19:33, 2 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Um - Running free does have Eddie - he is the shadow on the wall - the figure is running away from him presumebly. picky ;-) |
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A-ha. So it's not "all" then? I'll change it back. Thanks for that. ] ] 22:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Found another one - the Wicker Man single, which is the image actually used at the top of the article! ] ] 16:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Yes last time I checked, Eddie was on "most" of the sleeves, not all though. So no, I don't belive it is "on all sleeves" as the misinformed user put. ] 15:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== Umphrey's McGee == |
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This is a very popular heavy jam band from the United States that is hugely into Iron Maiden, and they deserve to be mentioned in the introduction to show how far-reaching Iron Maiden's influence is. |
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Why don't we just list all bands that IM have influenced? All 300,000 of them :p ] |
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== Bands influenced by Maiden == |
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Does anyone else think this list (paragraph three of the main article) is just getting a ''bit'' unwieldy? I'm all for trimming it right down, or reducing it to "Maiden have influenced many bands in many rock and metal genres" and dropping the examples. Thoughts? ] ] 08:48, 6 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Well, nobody said "no", so I pared it off. The list just seemed like an invitation for someone else to come along and say "oh, they've not mentioned Xxxx Xxxxx who play Zzzzz Zzzzz Metal" and then add yet another one. If we really must have a list of bands who've cited Maiden as an influence, then I think it makes more sense to have it as a separate paragraph. However, as there are so damn many of them, I really doubt the use of it at all. ] ] 12:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== Bands who have covered Iron Maiden songs == |
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Another suggestion. The page length is getting excessing (check the warning when you edit the main page). Would it make sense to consider splitting this ever-growing list off onto a page of its own and adding an "also see" link? ] ] 12:58, 16 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:: If there are no arguments, I'll give it till Jan 1st and split into two articles then. That seems a fair length of time for objections. Similarly, it may be an idea to move the Discography off as well, again for size reasons. It's large enough to carry itself as a separate article, too. ] ] 15:37, 16 December 2005 (UTC) |
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I wish I still had the MP3 of Halford doing Strange World ='( ] 06:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC) |
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*Eternal Tears Of Sorrow - Flight Of Icarus |
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*Cradle Of Filth - The Trooper, Funeral In Carpathia ("Be Quick Or Be Dead" version), Fear Of The Dark |
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This section has now been moved to a page of its own (]) and I've also moved some of the above discussion to it |
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== The Clansman == |
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Was linked to a piece of literature about the KKK, so I unlinked it. I don't know if linking it to the Braveheart movie, or William Wallace, is a good idea, as the lyrics aren't very specific to history at all (You could interpret it as a rival Scottish clan attacking the singer's clan if you want, or a Viking invasion). Maybe another example song of their lyrical topics should be used instead.--] 22:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== iPod evidence == |
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Can anyone show me evidence for this, and perhaps add a link to a website to the article? |
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I have had a quick google, and have found no evidence whatsoever of this - it seems like a very unlikely combination as Iron Maiden aren't generally the type of band apple generally approach |
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] 12:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC) |
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: I've had a quick look myself, and found the following story. Not directly related, but the name of the shop owner's a bit of a coincidence! ] ] 12:56, 20 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== Out Of The Silent Planet == |
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Where the article names songs about England's Folklore, shoundn't Out Of The Silent Planet be mentioned? It's based on C.S. Lewis' book, Bruce Dickinson said so himself on an interview (I can't find any official info to prove this right now) |
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Also, the article mentions a DVD, Death on the Road, to be released before the end of 2005. I think it should be edited for something like "was announced to be released by the end of 2005" or something |
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PS: sorry if there are any mistakes but this is my first page editing :$ |
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] 23:40, 08 January 2006 (UTC) |
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Your editing's fine, and discussion is always a good place to start before altering a page :) I've updated both (and mentioned "To Tame A Land"). As an aside, would it make sense to maybe have a separate paragraph detailing the influences on Maiden lyrics? There are quite a few (historical events, culture, books, films) and only a couple are dealt with in depth within the article. ] ] 08:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC) |
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== bruce dickenson == |
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its truly amazing how the whole article was writen and then in the discuion section about members to have someone put in nico mc brain and dave murrys real names and leave out bruce dickensons original name yes thats right its not bruce its paul , paul dickenson he uses bruce to make it harder for fans to find his personal details (whoops) but unfortunately he admited this fact in an old isue of kerrang magazine (uk) circa 1990 |
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Link or it's BS. ] 10:40, 7 May 2006 (UTC) |
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According to the biography, his name is Paul Bruce Dickinson, but he goes by his middle name for no other reason than why anyone else goes by their middle name. It's not designed to through anyone off his scent or anything. -] 17:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== Satanism or Anti-christianity in Iron Maiden? == |
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I've been told that Iron Maiden have something related to satanism. Not refered to any of their songs, like Number of the Beast, but that they practise it or that they have sold their souls. Is this true? If it is, is there any proof? Thanks in advance. |
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:I don't have any references to hand, but from bits and bobs of interviews I've read in the past, the band's overall response to questions along those lines is "bullsh*t". "NotB" ''decries'' Satanism, "Holy Smoke" doesn't attack religion so much as the idiot televangelists who take advantage of it and so on. ] ] 12:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:Also, drummer Nicko McBrain is a born-again Christian and the song "Alexander the Great" includes the line (refering to Alexander) "He paved the way for Christianity". So there you have it, various fanatics and their over-the-top theories like "Heavy Metal is satanic"... -] 00:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Sharon Osbourne incident == |
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I actually agree with the anonymous user who's axed a lot of the text regarding this incident. Yes, it's notable but it had as much written about it as some of the ''really'' major items. I'd recommend if anyone reckons it really is that major an incident to write the entire thing up in full and shove it in a separate article linked from this one. As it stood, it drew attention far more than it really deserved. |
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] ] 12:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Agreed --] 12:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Fear of the Dark used in a movie? == |
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I remember hearing a rumor that Fear of the Dark was used in a Horror flick. I couldn't find much on this anywhere. I think it may have been one in the Nightmare on Elm street series of movies. If evidence can be found for this, it should be added to the Popular culture area. |
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Reply : Bring Your Daughter To The Slaughter was in Nightmare on Elm Street 5 (apparently). --] 11:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:Damn, beat me to it. I agree with "apparently" though, as I've seen the film and I don't recall hearing the song in it. Also, I don't think it's on the soundtrack album. It may have been ''written'' for the film but not used? ] ] 12:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Crap I just relized this, sorry. ] 17:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Maiden tour in Romania ? == |
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I don't remember, but did Iron Maiden ever have a concert in Romania ? I know that they even had one in Iceland during their Death on the Road tour, but I don't think they've ever visited Romania. Does anyone have any info to prove this ? -] 00:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Well I looked on maidenfans.com and I didn't see any dates for Romania in the 80s... ] 22:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC) |
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They were in Romania in `95 with Blaze. They opened with something like "Hello Budapest!" and were boo-ed by the entire audience. :) - ] 09:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:Ouch, that was clumsy ! X-D -] 20:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== On a more positive note... == |
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"On a more positive note, actor Patrick McGoohan was very accommodating when" |
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"On a more positive note" is probably not necessary. Seems a bit POVish, and not like an encyclopaedia. |
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==]== |
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hi, you might be interested to know that the above article about the early-80s ] horror film is currently a featured article candidate. as the editors of this article know what it takes to become featured, and argento's relationship with maiden is strong (e.g. ]), it would be interesting to have your opinions. please vote "support" or "object" with your comments at ]. thx. ] 11:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC) |
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the article is now ]!! thx. ] 18:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC) |
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==Iron Maiden in popular culture== |
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Just comparing with other FA and GA articles. If they include an "in popular culture" section or "trivia" section they are usually located near the end of the article. This one sticks it before the actual music and band personnel??? Any objections to sliding it down between "members" and "bibliography". Just seems to make sense that the musicians list should be a little more important than Bill & Ted saying ''EXCELLENT'' when they hear the words, ''Iron Maiden''. Any thoughts? ] 00:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC) |
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== iron maiden artwork == |
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i think that there should be more pictures of the artwork used by iron maiden on the albbum covers etc. it was amazing. |
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== Satanism == |
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main genre heavy metal?? ahahah ridicolous...a band who made 2 nwobhm albums, and less than 10 rock/hard rock... well maybe would be an HEAVY metal band for metal hammer or metal shock...certainly not for who knows WHAT METAL IS (nowadays...like...4/5 men in the world :) |
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However, Iron Maiden were said to be satanists (or simply crowley-affiliates) for the symbols on their albums (egyptians, crowleysts...) or the 666 (like on the 20-years collections) who are well-visibles and very numerous (however, i don't really think they're satanists)... --] 14:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:It's already been disscussed :) It's BS. ] 10:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:Maiden are as quintessential 'heavy metal' as you can get, what are you on about? The genre of 'heavy metal' is specific, it doesn't relate to all the other genres of metal like thrash or black, which is what I think you're getting mixed up with. -] 18:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Discography section of the article.. == |
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Steph11 has now added album pictures and live albums to the discography section of the article. Is this really necessary? I think a list of studio albums is enough, and that the pictures only clutter up the section really badly. What are your thoughts? -] 01:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:I agree completely on the aesthetics. Inclusion of album covers, not accompanied by critical commentary, also does not qualify as ]. '''''×'''''] 02:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:Especially with all of the images present on ] (again, on dubious legal footing) there is no reason to waste space here. '''''×'''''] 02:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== Album covers & Timeline == |
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I like being able to see the different album covers on the main page. Many other band entries use this feature and I think it works well, especially with a band like Maiden, whose albums are so highly identified with the artwork. |
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However, the timeline table, which is great, should NOT contain Smiler and Gypsys Kiss lineups. These were totally different bands and are separate from Iron Maiden, which began in December 1975 with Paul Day, Terry Rance, Dave Sullivan, and Ron Mathhews. - Onlyslighted |
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== Great Article == |
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Not really a discussion, just an exclamation that this article is a credit to all involved. |
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The Eddie page could maybe do with a bit more ie how he is used on stage like the giant eddie at reading and why it is he seems to attack janick so much but not other members, is there anything in that? |
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==A Classic Maiden Photo??== |
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Anyone else think that a Maiden photo circa 1982-88 or some such would be more appropriate? I'm not saying that IM should only be associated with their past glories, but Air-Raid Dickenson with spiked armbands, hair to his waist, bathed in red light, and his foot propped up on a monitor declaiming to an arena full of screaming head bangers is how we all remember him, and the band. It can't be a copyright problem, they released lots of publicity photos and fair-use gives pretty wide leeway when using photos for things like a wiki. Besides, the current photo is a publicity shot. So how about it? Can't we do better? |
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Sorry... forgot to sign. It's ] 20:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC). Now, a photo?? |
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:Much more appropriate for what? Where will it be used? -] 00:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== So, why does Iron Maiden keep being removed as a NWoBHM band? == |
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I even followed the edit summaries by the people who did this and I'm still blurred. Why are you removing it? — ] 01:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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: I have not removed it - but suggested it was from the first line - see my point in general "I would like to suggest rewording the first line. To "Iron Maiden is a British Heavy Metal band from East London........." - so I don't repeate here.. {{unsigned|Prodigenous Zee}} |
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: Because there is a principal of not listing ] in infoboxes. The only time it should be done if there is a specific part of the Infobox such as 'Other Genres/Scenes'. {{unsigned|Prodigenous Zee}} |
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:: Where can I view this said principal? By the way, please sign your comments. — ] 15:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC) |
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: There was a long discussion on the talk page about it and similar changes to how things were done after the ] article went through Featured Article at ]. |
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:: That doesn't answer my question. — ] 16:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC) |
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