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== Welcome to STiki! == == Music ==
Been thinking recently about how much Misplaced Pages ''does'' act as a social network, and how valuable that can be. Articles aren't social media, of course, but Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia ''and'' a community, and healthy volunteer communities need to foster forms of communication that aren't strictly "talking shop". In that spirit, how about some music talk. Might just be me sharing, but who knows.


===What I'm listening to===
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Occasionally sharing songs/albums that I find myself listening to repeatedly. Starting this at the end of 2022, so here's what I've been listening to this year. And yeah, it's all over the place.
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Hello, Rhododendrites, and '''welcome to STiki'''! Thank you for ] using our tool. We at STiki hope you like using the tool and decide to continue using it in the future. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
{{cot|December 2022}}
*''']''', including:
====December 2022====
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*The Window of Appearances (Act 1 Scene 3) from ] ( is a little closer to what I heard, but it's also on - Seeing Akhenaten at the Metropolitan Opera was one of my most memorable experiences this year. I knew almost nothing about it, haven't seen an opera since seeing one against my will as a child, but it just looked like such an unusual spectacle. Not only was the set and production outstanding, but I found myself listening to the music repeatedly ever since. This track is when Akhenaten sings for the first time. He's just been crowned pharaoh and makes his "appearance". Without expectations, his voice was immediately striking. I wasn't prepared for a ] (] in this case) in that role (i.e. much higher than I would've thought). I don't have the classical vocabulary to talk about it properly, but the way the repetitive nature of the music shifts and intensifies from minor changes, with other voices coming in, was really powerful and shifted my undestanding of what I was getting into.
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*Cool by ] ( ) - Great pop song, with pacing and infectious bass line that's just, well, really cool.
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*] by ] ( ) - Heard the synth line sampled in another song and it drove me nuts I couldn't remember what it was from. Finally tracked it down and relearned how much this track slaps. Started a trend in my house of trying to turn random "a" sounds scratchy and loud.
Here are some pages which are a little more fun:
*I've Seen Footage by ] ( ) - Not going to be for everyone, but weird, hard, noisy, danceable hip hop scratches an itch.
* ''']''' - See how you are faring against other STiki users!
*Is There a Ghost by ] ( ) - Band of Horses' '']'' was one of my favorite albums about 15 years ago, and I realized I hadn't paid much attention to them since. Decided to see what they've been up to and was happy I did. Solid indie rock, maybe with some southern influence, that's catchy as hell.
* ''']''' - Do not hesitate to wear the STiki label with pride by choosing from a selection of userboxes!
*Pecking Order by ] ( ) - They call themselves "brass house", seemingly structuring their brass jazz like house music, and it works for me. This song isn't actually a big stand-out, but I had trouble choosing one.
We hope you enjoy maintaining Misplaced Pages with STiki! If you have any questions, problems, or suggestions don't hesitate to drop a note over at ] and we'll be more than happy to help. Again, welcome, and thanks! {{#if: ||] (developer) and}} <small><b><span style="border:1px solid;background:#030303">&nbsp;]&nbsp;</span></b></small> 07:53, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
*Pineapple Suite by ] (from '']'') ( ) - I was just really impressed by the soundtrack of ''White Lotus'' and wound up listening to it when the show was done.
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*Hairy Candy by ] ( ) - Tobacco's the guy from ], and this sounds, well, exactly like BMSR. Fuzzy, psychedelic electronica with repetitive lyrics that function like another instrument.
*Blazing Arrow by ] ( ) - Blackalicious's Gift of Gab was just really really good at coming up with complex rhymes that wind up as an impressive song rather than a gimmick. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 18:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
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====June 2023====
*] by Synthwave Goose () - I've added a lot of Synthwave Goose tracks to my background/working playlists recently. It is what it says on the tin, basically: ] done pretty well.
*Fantasy Trash Wave by ] () - Didn't realize I listed a Tobacco track above, but oh well. A bit muddier and darker than BMSR, I'd say, but similar sound.
*Rita Lee by ] () - ] died recently, and I found myself on an Os Mutantes kick. I listened to them a lot 2005-2007, but not much since then, so it was good to go back through the catalog on Spotify.
*Top Top by ] () - Rita Lee isn't actually on the song named after her, so how about one of my favorite Mutantes tracks, too.
*Mustn't Hurry by ] () - Had the chance to see Fever Ray at ] recently, and this was the track that I loved when I heard it live but hadn't paid much attention to on the album. Fever Ray's second album has a lot of loud, bouncy, vaguely punk electropop that drew my attention, but this is a great slow build.
*Sliver by ] () - Not my favorite song, but there are a bunch of "deep cut" Nirvana tracks that I realized I never looked up to see what the lyrics are and the chorus to this one is .... "grandma take me home"!!
*] by ] () - Yes, I was reminded of this by an episode of ] during it's final season (alright). I'd heard it before as kind of a novelty and learned in the show that it's actually kind of a banger (alright).
*Badala Zamana by ] () - Found this one from a spotify station starting with Prisencolinensinainciusol, and just found it really light and fun.
*Miss You by ] () - I find that Oliver Tree's musical-personal-as-living-meme schtick comes off as desperate more than funny, and it distracts from the fact that he really can write an extremely catchy whiny pop song.
*We Have Explosive by ] () - Loud, mid-90s techno anyone? Anyone? &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 17:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

====July 2024====
*Punk Rock Loser by ] ( ). Filed under "they still make this kind of music?" Swedish post-punk band that seems to really enjoy making fun of manosphere-like themes, singing about sports and cowboys and being dumb and trying to be cool with all the blasé and irony of the best Williamsburg barista.
*This Town by ] (). I'm very, very late to the Go-Go's train. Been humming this one on and off for a month.
*] by ] (), which I've recently discovered is the best karaoke song.
*Money Folder by ] remixed by ] (). ] is an excellent album, but I find that I only ever listen to Four Tet's remixes anymore, which just ramp up the energy and musical weirdness.
*Power! To the People by ] (). When I first came across The Make-Up circa 2003, they just seemed like they were trying too hard to be 70s-cool to the point it all came off as affectation rather than inspiration. Couldn't say what happened, but it works for me 20 years later.
*Mnemophobia by Brainstory (). Smooth, catchy r&b falsetto + electric guitar + harmonies.
*Nobody Speak () & Blockbuster Night, Pt. 1 () by ]. Run the Jewels go hard -- the music, the often hilarious insults and braggadocio, and social commentary. Nobody Speak was my introduction, with an excellent video.
*Fingerbib by Alarm Will Sound (), just a great orchestral cover of ].
*Such a Lovely Thing by ] (). I don't remember who they opened for, but I saw DeVotchKa at some live show back in ~2005 and they were clearly the most memorable thing about that concert. Most of ''How It Ends'' is excellent. The fun instrumentation could easily slip into saccharine indie pop, but Nick Urata's absolutely-always-earnest-and-passionate vocals keep it grounded. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 18:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

===What I should be listening to (and what you're listening to)===
Open to anyone.
*US Navy Band. I never would have thought this would be for me, but I find strangely compelling. -- ] ] 20:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
* - folk singer & song writer, check out new album: Time Turns Everything
*] - Recently deceased Memphis rapper, check out album: ]
*] - DJ and electronic music producer, pick any album
*] - Brooklyn based garage soul/rock band, check out song: and 2021 album Site Out of Mind
*] - mainstream-ish, but if you did not listen to his "]" album (2021), it's worth a listen --] (]) 16:07, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
**{{ping|RoySmith|Wil540 art}} Could've sworn I replied to these a long time ago, sorry! "Strangely compelling" is a good description for that Jersey Boys medley. We both wound up watching the whole thing here, and were both surprised by that. :)
**Photay is up my alley (one of them, anyway). Adding some to my "working" Spotify playlist. I think I know J. Cole from his early material. Listened to the popular tracks on ''The Off-Season'' and will explore some more later. Currently listening to Evolfo and digging it... Thanks for the recs. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 13:24, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
*. A bit niche, but I personally enjoyed how it builds throughout. Also, because I'm 99% sure you'll have already listened to by ]. ] (]) 22:27, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
**{{ping|Domeditrix}} The name Brodsky rings a bell, but I can't say I know this. Doing some googling and spotifying indicates we're probably not talking about e.g. ]. It would be pretty different from .It's interesting, though. Kind of ]y with an almost ] affectation. How did you come across it, I wonder (looking at numbers of YT views/spotify plays). And yeah I ''should'' know that Royksopp song because Royksopp is one of my favorites, but I haven't paid attention in a few years I guess. Thanks. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 01:07, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
**:I came across his music through a music blog a bit over ten years ago. The blog has since died, but I found a good number of artists through it. ] (]) 15:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

== 6666666 ==

Well congrats! ] proves that you are just as certifiable as the rest of us! {{smiley|:D}} And I thought that ''I'' was nerdy when I saw that one article and another one had a really . So I spent some quality camera time with my old LP collection and made new Commons:Categories for these two rather uninteresting and rarely viewed subjects. (<small>No, I don't stalk your edits, and I rarely visit Twitter now, but when TFG gets indicted you have to take a look at what the site makes of it. ;-) Just in time for your announcement there.</small>) ]<small>]</small> 21:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{tq|And I thought that ''I'' was nerdy}} - No argument from me. :) Nice job illustrating cataloging systems there! Regarding ], I was more excited than I'd like to admit when I realized the milestone was coming and found a fitting topic. Woke up early (before my alarm, even), and wound up refreshing {{tl|numberofarticles}} for ... a while, before publishing. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 22:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

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Such a pleasure to meet you at Wikiconference North America! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the future of Misplaced Pages... and covering my dinner ^_^ Really looking forward to seeing you at more conferences/gatherings/Future Audiences community calls!

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:Great to meet you, too, {{u|Accedie}}! Thanks for your sessions. I'm on the WikiFuturist list now -- looking forward to hearing more. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 02:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

== Younger generations ==

I was thinking of something you said when we talked last? An idea has kind of been bouncing around my head the past few days... maybe I could go around interviewing people around my age and seeing what we have in common and what we don't. Asking questions like
* When did you start editing Misplaced Pages?
* Why did you start editing Misplaced Pages?
* If you could go back in time, what do you think would've helped you be a better editor?
* Did you have help as a new editor? What worked and what didn't?
* As a new editor, were you aware that there was a community behind the scenes?
* Do you think you'll keep editing for the foreseeable future?
* Were you involved with WikiEd? If so, what was that like?
* Have you ever edited on mobile? Why or why not?
I think the cumulative effect of asking these questions might be useful. What do you think? ] ] 19:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{ping|Clovermoss}} - {{tq|cumulative effect of asking these questions might be useful}} - Could be. Something I've found interesting is how wikiphilosophies seem to evolve with each "generation" of Wikipedians. If we think of Misplaced Pages's 22 years as being four generations, I guess I'm in the second generation. When I got here, my take on things like deletion, blocking, immediatism, etc. was a bit different from some of the old timers. These days I find that the newer generations make me feel like one of those old-timers (and I guess I am?). To reduce what I mean to a single example, back in 2013 I was most often called a deletionist. These days, though I don't feel like my take on deletion has changed that much, I find myself lumped in more often with the inclusionists (to the extent those sides even exist at all, of course). To your questions, there's one in there about Wiki Ed, which sure seems like it's intended for me, but I don't think I'd be included in the "people around my age" that you started with. :) Happy to answer if it would be helpful, though. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 17:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
::Yeah, the WikiEd question was directed at you :) Since I've never really interacted with that side of the community, I was curious about the similarities and differences we face. Ever since you said something about how people can struggle even with a ton of resources at their disposal... I just went on to this whole train of thought full of ideas. Is it possible that you might have some idea of how I could connect with some students working with WikiEd? I really think it'd be insightful to interview some if they're open to that but I have no idea where to start. I like to plan things out a bit before I actually go about doing things. ] ] 00:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::It's okay if you don't really know if that's possible, though. Even if you could point me in the direction of someone who might be able to that'd be useful. Regardless, it was nice to meet you and I appreciate everything we've talked about. ] ] 01:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Clovermoss}} Late reply, sorry.
::::{{tq|Is it possible that you might have some idea of how I could connect with some students working with WikiEd?}} - You can always head over to dashboard.wikiedu.org, where you can find all the classes active in a given semester (and all of the courses Wiki Ed has supported since ~2015). You might have more luck reaching out to the professors, though, who can then connect you with interested students.
::::Some brief other answers:
::::When did you start editing Misplaced Pages? - 2007. A professor had us edit Misplaced Pages. I was fascinating by how much of a garbage fire it wasn't, and set out to study it. Highly active editing came a few years later.
::::If you could go back in time, what do you think would've helped you be a better editor? - I don't think I'd change anything, now that I think about it. There were times that I had different ideas of "what a Good Misplaced Pages ought to do" but in hindsight that's mostly nonsense. I did exactly what I wanted to do on Misplaced Pages at each stage, I suppose. If the question were "what advice would I give myself" it would probably be to think about anonymity a little more.
::::Did you have help as a new editor? What worked and what didn't? - I was an atypical newbie in that I spent a long time reading and researching before diving into editing, so I didn't need too much help. I learned from some veterans when I was researching, and when I solicited feedback on my first article. The names FT2, Dana Boomer, Wikid77, and DGG come to mind as early, helpful interactions (sadly now one is deceased, one long-inactive, and one banned).
::::Do you think you'll keep editing for the foreseeable future? - Yes. There have been a few discussions and trends over the past few years that I've found discouraging/demotivating, but there's just too much that I like about this place.
::::Were you involved with WikiEd? If so, what was that like? - It was overall a very positive experience. I was already teaching with Misplaced Pages and they needed an interim program manager shortly after my last semester teaching... then I stuck around for five years. Generally positive. It reframed my relationship to Misplaced Pages a bit as it meant I was no longer purely a volunteer (even if I separated my work and volunteer accounts), but I didn't let it affect my editing all that much. There were a bunch of layoffs early in the pandemic, which included me. The upside is it gave me time to finish my dissertation. :)
::::Have you ever edited on mobile? Why or why not? - Almost never. It's just too hard with a tiny screen. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 18:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::I don't mind the late reply. Thanks for your input :) I will check out the dashboard. Do you mind if I mention your answers to my interview questions in a userspace essay? ] ] 19:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
::::::{{ping|Clovermoss}} {{thumbsup}} No I don't mind (thanks for asking). &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 20:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
:::::::And thank you for humouring me with the answers. :) If you want to check out the future progress of all this, it's at ]. ] ] 20:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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== Timothy Ball == ==For your barn==
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Thanks for your remarks while deleting my edit to Climate Change Denial. I'm trying to surface anybody active in suppressing information about Timothy Ball. Good articles on Timothy ball exist in other WP languages, but articles in the English WP are deleted by unknown persons. ] (]) 21:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
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:Are you interpreting my removal of the above comment as equivalent to "suppressing information about Timothy Ball?" You could have made the same change but replaced "Timothy Ball" with "sand" and I still would have removed it as disruptive. Perhaps because of a conspiracy to suppress information about sand? --] (]) 01:41, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
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:Ha. Thanks, {{u|Gobonobo}}. I realize now that I'm at risk of developing an accidental focus area after recently starting ]. I'll just pretend like I haven't noticed there isn't an article for urinal partitions and poor coverage of the "powder room" section of women's restrooms. :) &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 17:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


== February 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award ==
== Israel-Saudi Arabian relations ==


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I added in the conflict between Judaism and Islam in that page becuase it is a major reason why Israel and Saudi Arabia avoid each orther and in a lot of ways, are hostile with each other, much like relations between Israel and most other Arab countries. It;s a historically proven gfact. I think it should be include. Maybe I could reword it, but it needs to be included because it's basically part of the back story between the hatred this two counties have for each other. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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:The reason I removed it wasn't because I think you're wrong but instead because a serious statement such as the one you added per Misplaced Pages rules like ] needs to be accompanied by a reliable source. If it is historically proven -- a fact that I am not debating -- finding such a source should be relatively easy. If you have no done so before, you can find some help citing sources at ]. If you go into your ], click the "Gadgets" tab, and enable "ProveIt," a box will appear while you're editing that makes it very easy to include a source. Hope that helps. --] (]) 14:57, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
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Hello. I see that you have placed a tag for deletion on the page I created. You have commented that it is not notable although I have cited all the references. It is a registered NGO in Pakistan under the Voluntary Social Welfare Agencies Ordinance 1961. It is also recognized as a national funding agency by two major universities of Pakistan. It has sponsored and organized many events, conferences and activities in Pakistan and outside Pakistan. Please kindly check the official website of Students of Pakistan for pictures and its activities. Pictures of the activities could also be found on the facebook page of Students of Pakistan http://www.facebook.com/studentsofpakistan.


== More on Maher ==
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This wasn't so bad: ] (]) 10:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
:Hello,
:I placed the Conflict of Interest tag on your page (see the page ] for more information), but it was ] who added the deletion tag. There is a place for discussion of these sorts of deletions you may wish to contribute to: ]. The rules that dictate when something is "notable" enough to have an article on Misplaced Pages are here: ] and, specifically, ]. Please don't take its nomination for deletion as a judgment that it is not ''important''. It's just that Misplaced Pages has specific rules to remain objective. These rules require "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources" like articles in major newspapers or magazines, profiles in books, and a variety of other things. I hope you'll add your thoughts to the ]. --] (]) 15:38, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


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I've tried adding the feminist social theory of patriarchy (aka. patriarchy theory) to the list of pseudosciences in the article, as so-called patriarchy theory fits in very well with many of the indicators of pseudoscience in the very same article.
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== To expand upon what I said at AfD ==
The Misplaced Pages article on Patriarchy that I linked to in my entry does indeed not include the term patriarchy theory, but it does speak of the term patriarchy as it pertains to feminist theory.
If you wish, I could email you the bibliographies of the books I have on JWs, if that would convince you more than what I said at the AfD. I'm all for informed choices in discussions. Alternatively I could try and improve ] instead where the focus was meant to be on publications that are actually mentioned by secondary sources (which was not the intended purpose of ].) There are slightly more passing mentions to publications apart from the Watchtower and Awake!, but not nearly enough for a spinoff list in my opinion. When you're actually reading the text and not just the bibliography in isolation, this observation is much more noticeable. But I could highlight all of the JW publications mentioned in the bibliographies for you if you wish. I'm not sure I should even try to go about improving ] (which lacks much secondary sourcing to begin with) because the passing mentions would require me to make it a list and the recent move discussion I started decided against that, with the main argument being that such a move would risk an AfD (which is a line of thought I don't follow, but what can I do)? I really have been trying to reduce the reliance on primary sources in the JW topic area but sometimes it can get a bit disheartening. Anyways, the books I have are:
The article on Patriarchy has this bit of information supporting it:
* ''Jehovah's Witnesses: A New Introduction'' by ]
"Sociologist Sylvia Walby has composed six overlapping structures that define patriarchy and that take different forms in different cultures and different times:
* ''State and Salvation'' by ]
1. The state: women are unlikely to have formal power and representation
* ''Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich by ]
2. The household: women are more likely to do the housework and raise the children.
*''Apocalypse Delayed'', also by Penton
3. Violence: women are more prone to being abused
*''Jehovah's Witnesses and the Nazis'' by Michel Reynaud and Sylvie Graffard
4. Paid work: women are likely to be paid less
*''Crisis of Allegiance'' by James Beverly
5. Sexuality: Women's sexuality is more likely to be treated negatively
*''Judging Jehovah's Witnesses'' by Shawn Francis Peters
6. Culture: women are more misrepresented in media and popular culture"
* ''Jehovah's Witnesses and the Secular World'' by Zoe Knox
* ''Dissent on the Margins'' by Emily Baran
One of the difficulties is that people rarely write about JW beliefs in isolation and usually focus on other themes like legislation that impacted JWs or government interactions. ] shows some of the works I don't have, for comparison. As far as I can tell, ''Jehovah's Witnesses: A Comprehensive and Selectively Annotated Bibliography'' is a work that focuses on literature published by others, not by JWs. ''Counting the Days to Armageddon: The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Second Presence of Christ'' might be more promising if I could get my hands on it someday. Anyways, that's why I've been relying on Chrysiddes so much in edits like . As the jstor article mentions in the link I posted at the AfD itself, there isn't much scholarship on JW culture or the historiography of their publications. It's not really something that has been done, even if you find such an idea shocking. I also don't think we need two separate duplicative pages on the same topic. I figured the one that already doesn't cite any secondary sources at all would be the less controversial one to delete but given how this AfD is going, I suppose it isn't. I wish the arguments were stronger &ndash; I don't understand when people will say things like an article is well-sourced when it isn't or your argument that sources must exist without providing them. But I also don't want to drown out other people's commentary. ] ] 04:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
: If you ever do when you have more time, keep me in mind? I'd be genuinely interested in such content. ] ] 19:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)


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"1. The state: women are unlikely to have formal power and representation."
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This fails to take into account the fact that women are over half the voting population in most of western civilization.
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It also seems to me to fall under the "Failure to make reasonable use of the principle of parsimony, i.e. failing to seek an explanation that requires the fewest possible additional assumptions when multiple viable explanations are possible."
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Assuming that this is because of systematic oppression of women by the hands of a male dominated society also falls under the "Failure to make reasonable use of the principle of parsimony, i.e. failing to seek an explanation that requires the fewest possible additional assumptions when multiple viable explanations are possible."
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"3. Violence: women are more prone to being abused."
The link to the open letter at Commons mentioned at Wales' talk page may be mislinked. It . Thanks for bringing up the topic, and wondering exactly how much funding would be needed to accomplish everything Commons is asking for. Thanks. ] (]) 12:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
This seems just plain statistically false, or at the very least like a use of highly misleading language.
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A. This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.
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Why did you remove information in the article? ] is known as an economist who is influenced by post-Keynesian economics and Marxist economics. None of those terms are slurs or POV-pushing.

Multiple reliable sources describe him as a "post-Keynesian scholar", "Marxist scholar", and a "heterodox economist" who is "influenced by Marxism and post-Keynesian thought". I'm confused on why you deleted it. ] (]) 00:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

:Marxism is additionally not an insult, as you are suggesting, but a way of interpreting economics and the relation between capital and labor. ] (]) 00:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::You , adding "Marxian economist" to the very first sentence citing a paper he wrote on Marxian economics. Writing a paper about a subject is not sufficient to highlight one descriptor above all else. That it was immediately after (not even "Marxian") into the ''lead'' of Kamala Harris biography betrays an obvious POV. Regarding "it's not an insult", I do not believe that you do not know one of our two political parties has been casting anything related to Marx as bogeymen and then, of course, trying to cast opponents as Marxist. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 00:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Responded on the article's talk page. But your argument seems to be that we should dumb or remove information from the article because some people are idiots. That's something we shouldn't do.
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I just looked at your list of things you listen to--I'm very ignorant. Anyway, I had two questions for you. First, your block log is clean: would you like for me to change that? Just for the hell of it? It's like a cool scar. Second, can I vote you in for ArbCom or something like that? Change of pace! ] (]) 17:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Drmies}} ] awaits you. Also I didn't realize I hadn't updated that section in a year. I mean really, at this stage, just the fact that I'm aware of any music from the last 5-10 years is kind of a miracle. :)
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All in all I can see why you reverted my changes and find it quite reasonable, which is why I'm asking for some advice on how to sufficiently reference the change I wish to make.
Do I need to first edit the article on patriarchy to go in depth with the criticism of patriarchy theory and THEN add it to the pseudoscience article with references to said criticisms?
Thank you kindly in advance. --{{user|Cordovan Splotch}} 08:11, 11 November 2013‎ (UTC)


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:The easiest answer I can give you is that the ] relies on cited secondary sources that not only criticize points of view but specifically call it pseudoscience (and usually multiple sources). It isn't enough to have sources discounting claims. Aside from the e.g. genetic aspect you mention I think (though I don't know) that it would be unlikely to find many people calling this aspect of feminist theory "pseudoscience" in the technical sense of the word mainly because the philosophical, critical-cultural sense of "theory" ("feminist theory," "critical theory," "media theory," etc.) isn't the same as the scientific sense of, for example, the "theory of evolution," "plate tectonics theory," or "germ theory." You'll find it's extremely rare that something is on that list without the point of view that it's pseudoscience being present on its main article page.
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Feel free to do a little research before making baseless accusations. I live in a completely different country than Edward Webber. I happened to work with him a few years back. He kept the information that he was Lowkee from LokiTorrents pretty close to the vest because he knew people were looking for him. Why in the world, if as you say, I am Edward Webber, would I link to my own LinkedIn profile? After stealing thousands of dollars from people donating to my "legal fund." It makes no sense. His LinkedIn profile is the only publicly available information about him and I feel that anyone researching him or his history should have access to that information. I'm fairly sure that's what a reference is.


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I'm adding the reference to his LinkedIn profile so that people can be aware of his history when considering hiring him. The company that we worked at together, well, let's just say he made some command decisions and that million dollar business is now basically gone.
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You've vaguely mentioned that the LinkedIn reference violates rules, however, you don't mention specifically which part of the various rules you've brought up. Please feel free to explain which rule I've violated (not vague reference to pages of rules that are a mile long) and I will review it and determine if I agree with your assessment. Otherwise, I'll keep undoing your changes as I feel the reference I've added is valid.


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:**I'm not sure what kind of research I would be doing. I advised someone named "Loki Racer" editing the article "LokiTorrent," which is run by someone named "Loki" to read ]. I don't think that's a crazy connection to make, but if you're not him, well, I have no way of verifying one way or the other. It's not an accusation so much as a duly suspect "making sure you know this one," since many people don't. People add links to their own LinkedIn, FaceBook, websites, etc. constantly on Misplaced Pages, hence the need for policies on self-promotion and conflict of interest.
:*<small>''His LinkedIn profile is the only publicly available information about him and I feel that anyone researching him or his history should have access to that information. I'm fairly sure that's what a reference is. I'm adding the reference to his LinkedIn profile so that people can be aware of his history when considering hiring him. The company that we worked at together, well, let's just say he made some command decisions and that million dollar business is now basically gone.''</small>
:**I assume by publicly available information about him you mean something along the lines of his personal information, resume, etc. which isn't at all relevant to LokiTorrent. Whether you feel people should have access to the information isn't relevant. People think the world should have access to all sorts of things. Phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, etc. are often public knowledge, too. That doesn't make them appropriate for an encyclopedia article. The article isn't even '''about''' Webber, and if it were, this is not the right place for "attention potential employers!" Again, encyclopedia...not headhunting service. Also, a reference is a source that backs up what's written in the article. There is nothing in the article that LinkedIn backs up, and even if it were considered reliable it would be insufficient as a lone, primary, self-published source.
:*<small>''You say to search the ] for linkedin. FYI, linkedin isn't mentioned once from what I see.''</small>
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Hello. Why can't we call Don Harris a "marxist economist". A reputable source like The Economist calls him exactly that. Smells like bias to me?--] (]) 16:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|Afus199620}} An article should summarize the body of literature about a person. Since his daughter became the presumptive democratic nominee, there have been probably 10 different attempts to insert the word "Marxist" into her father's biography (and other articles) with little to no attempt to actually improve the article. Bias is searching out a term that resonates with one side of a culture war, finding sources that use that term, and adding only those to the article. Neutrality is taking all of the best sources about a subject and summarizing them, describing various aspects of the subject in proportion to their presence in the literature. If you searching out sources to call him a Marxist, you're failing at NPOV. To be clear: yes of course he draws on and was influenced by Marx. You can't really do economics + class + inequality without Marx. In fact, Marx is already mentioned multiple times in the article. I'm not even opposed to talking about him as a "Marxian economist" (which, again, isn't inaccurate) -- what I'm opposed to are these non-neutral drive-by insertions of "Marxist" with no attempt to present a proportional view of the subject. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 16:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Rhododendrites}} Fair point. But it should still be allowed to call him a Marxist economist when one of the biggest business magazines describes him as such. It is also very questionable and against neutrality to simply delete quotes from reputable sources for the simple suspicion that an editor is maybe biased. I am not biased. I was merely surprised that he is not labeled a Marxist when the Economist does so. Where are the sources for him not being a Marxist? The quote from The Economist should at least be under the section "Contributions to economic analysis and policy". I would therefore ask you not to undo my edit again this time. Greetings.--] (]) 16:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::The Economist is a reliable source, but that doesn't guarantee inclusion (see ]). It would be surprising to find a source that says "he's not a Marxist", because he clearly is influenced by/uses Marx. Point is, there are a lot of sources about him which say a lot more than "he's a Marxist", including a lot which just don't talk about his relationship with Marx. Ignoring all of that to add "he's a Marxist" is not neutral. &mdash; <samp>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></samp> \\ 17:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
:::: But it should be allowed to write that he was described as a marxist by a source. Not every source about him has to call him a marxist for adding one sentence. It is relevant information for an economist. Why can you include reliable source A but not reliable source B? It seems to me very arbitrary. You can say that people who call him a Marxist are biased in some way and are searching for a source to call him a Marxist, but that's just a subjective opinion. Maybe people who are deleting every edit that brings Harris in direct relation to marxism are biased themselves. I find this argument just not convincing.--] (]) 18:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)


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What "forum"? I am directly commenting on the content in the article, which distracts from the topic of corporate ownership. ] (]) 02:12, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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::I was referring directly to the section "Scholarly treatment of media bias in the United States and United Kingdom" which very briefly touches upon corporate ownership, but then goes off on a liberal vs. conservative tangent for the rest of the section. It also cites highly biased scholars who do not have this subject as their primary field and who favor one viewpoint over another rather than disinterested scholars who have an expertise in media and/or journalism. The article does not have a coherent focus and ironically obscures the bias of the so-called scholars by presenting them as typical disinterested academics when they are grinding axes. In other words, the media bias article is biased. ] (]) 02:30, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
:::Indeed. Thanks for clarifying. I self-reverted. I'm maybe a little sensitive to talk page forum stuff from hanging out on pseudoscience and religious article talk pages a lot lately. :) --&mdash; <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> |&nbsp; 02:35, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
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:::::I tend to agree with you on most of the above, including the condition of the article. ] has a more comprehensive picture of the things you're talking about FYI. The fact of the matter is you're not going to be able to get away from including accusations of "liberal media" due to it being such a common conservative meme and one of the biggest subjects within an article on media bias -- although sources could also be cited countering the claims. I'd urge you to giving some revisions a go. Be glad to help if I can. --&mdash; <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> |&nbsp; 03:05, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


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:I undid per BRD, he put it back in with an irrelevant edit summary, warned me, I reverted once clarifying and took it to the talk page, he reverted again. On what grounds are you using your administrator rights to stop me from editing this article? There is nothing controversial about any of my edits. I removed poorly sourced, insane accusations, then removed them again and you're acting as though I've (a) violated the 3RR or (b) was not making an attempt to resolve it in (now 3) talk pages. --&mdash; <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> |&nbsp; 20:03, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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::::14:48, 10 December 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-374)‎ . . Chess.com ‎ (Reverted 1 edit by Deceptobot67 (talk): His field is complaining about his job? no. his expertise is irrelevant to this. (TW))
::::14:38, 10 December 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-374)‎ . . Chess.com ‎ (→‎Controversies: without more sources, there's not much precedent to include grumblings of an ex-coworker on company pages)
::::14:34, 10 December 2013 (diff | hist) . . (-264)‎ . . Chess.com ‎ (→‎Controversies: regarding legal actions of a living person -- need sources)
:::First was not related (see edit summary and the edit). Second was the initial removal. Third was the revert. The end. --&mdash; <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> |&nbsp; 20:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
:::They're partial reverts, which count as reverts. Still the right version. ] (]) 20:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Fair enough, but for an admin to jump in, to look at those three edits, and to instruct me to stop editing? Seriously? --&mdash; <tt>] <sup style="font-size:80%;">]</sup></tt> |&nbsp; 20:12, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
What drew my attention to this was the vandal warnings on your talk page. As you are an instructor, I found it doubtful that you were vandalizing articles. 3 reverts in 24 hours is clearly an edit war. This is a content dispute that perpetually reverting one another will not resolve. You need to talk it out amongst yourselves, request a 3rd opinion from say, Dark Suns, seek a consensus on the talk page, go through the conflict resolution process. What must not do is continue to edit war.]] 20:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
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I havunconstrure edits to the July Revolution page(https://en.wikipedia.org/July_Revolution)than I did on the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and yet you did not send me a message about the edits I made to the July Revolution page. If the Federal Reserve were legal, you wouldn't be sending me a message about the fact that I changed the word legal to illegal. Why didn't you comment on the changes I made to the July Revolution page? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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Music

Been thinking recently about how much Misplaced Pages does act as a social network, and how valuable that can be. Articles aren't social media, of course, but Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and a community, and healthy volunteer communities need to foster forms of communication that aren't strictly "talking shop". In that spirit, how about some music talk. Might just be me sharing, but who knows.

What I'm listening to

Occasionally sharing songs/albums that I find myself listening to repeatedly. Starting this at the end of 2022, so here's what I've been listening to this year. And yeah, it's all over the place.

December 2022

December 2022

  • The Window of Appearances (Act 1 Scene 3) from Akhenaten (spotify is a little closer to what I heard, but it's also on youtube - Seeing Akhenaten at the Metropolitan Opera was one of my most memorable experiences this year. I knew almost nothing about it, haven't seen an opera since seeing one against my will as a child, but it just looked like such an unusual spectacle. Not only was the set and production outstanding, but I found myself listening to the music repeatedly ever since. This track is when Akhenaten sings for the first time. He's just been crowned pharaoh and makes his "appearance". Without expectations, his voice was immediately striking. I wasn't prepared for a countertenor (Anthony Ross Costanzo in this case) in that role (i.e. much higher than I would've thought). I don't have the classical vocabulary to talk about it properly, but the way the repetitive nature of the music shifts and intensifies from minor changes, with other voices coming in, was really powerful and shifted my undestanding of what I was getting into.
  • Cool by Uffie (spotify youtube) - Great pop song, with pacing and infectious bass line that's just, well, really cool.
  • Sunglasses At Night by Corey Hart (spotify youtube) - Heard the synth line sampled in another song and it drove me nuts I couldn't remember what it was from. Finally tracked it down and relearned how much this track slaps. Started a trend in my house of trying to turn random "a" sounds scratchy and loud.
  • I've Seen Footage by Death Grips (spotify youtube) - Not going to be for everyone, but weird, hard, noisy, danceable hip hop scratches an itch.
  • Is There a Ghost by Band of Horses (spotify youtube) - Band of Horses' Everything All the Time was one of my favorite albums about 15 years ago, and I realized I hadn't paid much attention to them since. Decided to see what they've been up to and was happy I did. Solid indie rock, maybe with some southern influence, that's catchy as hell.
  • Pecking Order by Too Many Zooz (spotify youtube) - They call themselves "brass house", seemingly structuring their brass jazz like house music, and it works for me. This song isn't actually a big stand-out, but I had trouble choosing one.
  • Pineapple Suite by Cristobal Tapia de Veer (from The White Lotus) (spotify youtube) - I was just really impressed by the soundtrack of White Lotus and wound up listening to it when the show was done.
  • Hairy Candy by Tobacco (spotify youtube) - Tobacco's the guy from Black Moth Super Rainbow, and this sounds, well, exactly like BMSR. Fuzzy, psychedelic electronica with repetitive lyrics that function like another instrument.
  • Blazing Arrow by Blackalicious (spotify youtube) - Blackalicious's Gift of Gab was just really really good at coming up with complex rhymes that wind up as an impressive song rather than a gimmick. — Rhododendrites \\ 18:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

June 2023

  • Blade Runner 2049 by Synthwave Goose (spotify) - I've added a lot of Synthwave Goose tracks to my background/working playlists recently. It is what it says on the tin, basically: synthwave done pretty well.
  • Fantasy Trash Wave by Tobacco (spotify) - Didn't realize I listed a Tobacco track above, but oh well. A bit muddier and darker than BMSR, I'd say, but similar sound.
  • Rita Lee by Os Mutantes (spotify) - Rita Lee died recently, and I found myself on an Os Mutantes kick. I listened to them a lot 2005-2007, but not much since then, so it was good to go back through the catalog on Spotify.
  • Top Top by Os Mutantes (spotify) - Rita Lee isn't actually on the song named after her, so how about one of my favorite Mutantes tracks, too.
  • Mustn't Hurry by Fever Ray (spotify) - Had the chance to see Fever Ray at Terminal 5 recently, and this was the track that I loved when I heard it live but hadn't paid much attention to on the album. Fever Ray's second album has a lot of loud, bouncy, vaguely punk electropop that drew my attention, but this is a great slow build.
  • Sliver by Nirvana (spotify) - Not my favorite song, but there are a bunch of "deep cut" Nirvana tracks that I realized I never looked up to see what the lyrics are and the chorus to this one is .... "grandma take me home"!!
  • Prisencolinensinainciusol by Adriano Celentano (spotify) - Yes, I was reminded of this by an episode of Ted Lasso during it's final season (alright). I'd heard it before as kind of a novelty and learned in the show that it's actually kind of a banger (alright).
  • Badala Zamana by Zohra (spotify) - Found this one from a spotify station starting with Prisencolinensinainciusol, and just found it really light and fun.
  • Miss You by Oliver Tree (spotify) - I find that Oliver Tree's musical-personal-as-living-meme schtick comes off as desperate more than funny, and it distracts from the fact that he really can write an extremely catchy whiny pop song.
  • We Have Explosive by Future Sound of London (spotify) - Loud, mid-90s techno anyone? Anyone? — Rhododendrites \\ 17:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

July 2024

  • Punk Rock Loser by Viagra Boys (spotify youtube). Filed under "they still make this kind of music?" Swedish post-punk band that seems to really enjoy making fun of manosphere-like themes, singing about sports and cowboys and being dumb and trying to be cool with all the blasé and irony of the best Williamsburg barista.
  • This Town by The Go-Go's (spotify). I'm very, very late to the Go-Go's train. Been humming this one on and off for a month.
  • Cool Jerk by The Capitols (spotify), which I've recently discovered is the best karaoke song.
  • Money Folder by Madvillain remixed by Four Tet (spotify). Madvillainy is an excellent album, but I find that I only ever listen to Four Tet's remixes anymore, which just ramp up the energy and musical weirdness.
  • Power! To the People by The Make-Up (spotify). When I first came across The Make-Up circa 2003, they just seemed like they were trying too hard to be 70s-cool to the point it all came off as affectation rather than inspiration. Couldn't say what happened, but it works for me 20 years later.
  • Mnemophobia by Brainstory (spotify). Smooth, catchy r&b falsetto + electric guitar + harmonies.
  • Nobody Speak (youtube) & Blockbuster Night, Pt. 1 (spotify) by Run the Jewels. Run the Jewels go hard -- the music, the often hilarious insults and braggadocio, and social commentary. Nobody Speak was my introduction, with an excellent video.
  • Fingerbib by Alarm Will Sound (spotify), just a great orchestral cover of Aphex Twin.
  • Such a Lovely Thing by DeVotchKa (spotify). I don't remember who they opened for, but I saw DeVotchKa at some live show back in ~2005 and they were clearly the most memorable thing about that concert. Most of How It Ends is excellent. The fun instrumentation could easily slip into saccharine indie pop, but Nick Urata's absolutely-always-earnest-and-passionate vocals keep it grounded. — Rhododendrites \\ 18:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Well congrats! This proves that you are just as certifiable as the rest of us! And I thought that I was nerdy when I saw that one article had a totally needless fair use image and another one had a really crappy image. So I spent some quality camera time with my old LP collection and made new Commons:Categories for these two rather uninteresting and rarely viewed subjects. (No, I don't stalk your edits, and I rarely visit Twitter now, but when TFG gets indicted you have to take a look at what the site makes of it. ;-) Just in time for your announcement there.) cart-Talk 21:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

And I thought that I was nerdy - No argument from me. :) Nice job illustrating cataloging systems there! Regarding SatanCon, I was more excited than I'd like to admit when I realized the milestone was coming and found a fitting topic. Woke up early (before my alarm, even), and wound up refreshing {{numberofarticles}} for ... a while, before publishing. — Rhododendrites \\ 22:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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Such a pleasure to meet you at Wikiconference North America! Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the future of Misplaced Pages... and covering my dinner ^_^ Really looking forward to seeing you at more conferences/gatherings/Future Audiences community calls!

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Great to meet you, too, Accedie! Thanks for your sessions. I'm on the WikiFuturist list now -- looking forward to hearing more. — Rhododendrites \\ 02:23, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Younger generations

I was thinking of something you said when we talked last? An idea has kind of been bouncing around my head the past few days... maybe I could go around interviewing people around my age and seeing what we have in common and what we don't. Asking questions like

  • When did you start editing Misplaced Pages?
  • Why did you start editing Misplaced Pages?
  • If you could go back in time, what do you think would've helped you be a better editor?
  • Did you have help as a new editor? What worked and what didn't?
  • As a new editor, were you aware that there was a community behind the scenes?
  • Do you think you'll keep editing for the foreseeable future?
  • Were you involved with WikiEd? If so, what was that like?
  • Have you ever edited on mobile? Why or why not?

I think the cumulative effect of asking these questions might be useful. What do you think? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Clovermoss: - cumulative effect of asking these questions might be useful - Could be. Something I've found interesting is how wikiphilosophies seem to evolve with each "generation" of Wikipedians. If we think of Misplaced Pages's 22 years as being four generations, I guess I'm in the second generation. When I got here, my take on things like deletion, blocking, immediatism, etc. was a bit different from some of the old timers. These days I find that the newer generations make me feel like one of those old-timers (and I guess I am?). To reduce what I mean to a single example, back in 2013 I was most often called a deletionist. These days, though I don't feel like my take on deletion has changed that much, I find myself lumped in more often with the inclusionists (to the extent those sides even exist at all, of course). To your questions, there's one in there about Wiki Ed, which sure seems like it's intended for me, but I don't think I'd be included in the "people around my age" that you started with. :) Happy to answer if it would be helpful, though. — Rhododendrites \\ 17:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, the WikiEd question was directed at you :) Since I've never really interacted with that side of the community, I was curious about the similarities and differences we face. Ever since you said something about how people can struggle even with a ton of resources at their disposal... I just went on to this whole train of thought full of ideas. Is it possible that you might have some idea of how I could connect with some students working with WikiEd? I really think it'd be insightful to interview some if they're open to that but I have no idea where to start. I like to plan things out a bit before I actually go about doing things. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:52, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
It's okay if you don't really know if that's possible, though. Even if you could point me in the direction of someone who might be able to that'd be useful. Regardless, it was nice to meet you and I appreciate everything we've talked about. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:49, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
@Clovermoss: Late reply, sorry.
Is it possible that you might have some idea of how I could connect with some students working with WikiEd? - You can always head over to dashboard.wikiedu.org, where you can find all the classes active in a given semester (and all of the courses Wiki Ed has supported since ~2015). You might have more luck reaching out to the professors, though, who can then connect you with interested students.
Some brief other answers:
When did you start editing Misplaced Pages? - 2007. A professor had us edit Misplaced Pages. I was fascinating by how much of a garbage fire it wasn't, and set out to study it. Highly active editing came a few years later.
If you could go back in time, what do you think would've helped you be a better editor? - I don't think I'd change anything, now that I think about it. There were times that I had different ideas of "what a Good Misplaced Pages ought to do" but in hindsight that's mostly nonsense. I did exactly what I wanted to do on Misplaced Pages at each stage, I suppose. If the question were "what advice would I give myself" it would probably be to think about anonymity a little more.
Did you have help as a new editor? What worked and what didn't? - I was an atypical newbie in that I spent a long time reading and researching before diving into editing, so I didn't need too much help. I learned from some veterans when I was researching, and when I solicited feedback on my first article. The names FT2, Dana Boomer, Wikid77, and DGG come to mind as early, helpful interactions (sadly now one is deceased, one long-inactive, and one banned).
Do you think you'll keep editing for the foreseeable future? - Yes. There have been a few discussions and trends over the past few years that I've found discouraging/demotivating, but there's just too much that I like about this place.
Were you involved with WikiEd? If so, what was that like? - It was overall a very positive experience. I was already teaching with Misplaced Pages and they needed an interim program manager shortly after my last semester teaching... then I stuck around for five years. Generally positive. It reframed my relationship to Misplaced Pages a bit as it meant I was no longer purely a volunteer (even if I separated my work and volunteer accounts), but I didn't let it affect my editing all that much. There were a bunch of layoffs early in the pandemic, which included me. The upside is it gave me time to finish my dissertation. :)
Have you ever edited on mobile? Why or why not? - Almost never. It's just too hard with a tiny screen. — Rhododendrites \\ 18:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
I don't mind the late reply. Thanks for your input :) I will check out the dashboard. Do you mind if I mention your answers to my interview questions in a userspace essay? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
@Clovermoss: Thumbs up icon No I don't mind (thanks for asking). — Rhododendrites \\ 20:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
And thank you for humouring me with the answers. :) If you want to check out the future progress of all this, it's at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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Ha. Thanks, Gobonobo. I realize now that I'm at risk of developing an accidental focus area after recently starting Bryant Park restroom. I'll just pretend like I haven't noticed there isn't an article for urinal partitions and poor coverage of the "powder room" section of women's restrooms. :) — Rhododendrites \\ 17:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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This wasn't so bad: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

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To expand upon what I said at AfD

If you wish, I could email you the bibliographies of the books I have on JWs, if that would convince you more than what I said at the AfD. I'm all for informed choices in discussions. Alternatively I could try and improve Jehovah's Witnesses publications instead where the focus was meant to be on publications that are actually mentioned by secondary sources (which was not the intended purpose of List of Watch Tower Society publications.) There are slightly more passing mentions to publications apart from the Watchtower and Awake!, but not nearly enough for a spinoff list in my opinion. When you're actually reading the text and not just the bibliography in isolation, this observation is much more noticeable. But I could highlight all of the JW publications mentioned in the bibliographies for you if you wish. I'm not sure I should even try to go about improving Jehovah's Witnesses publications (which lacks much secondary sourcing to begin with) because the passing mentions would require me to make it a list and the recent move discussion I started decided against that, with the main argument being that such a move would risk an AfD (which is a line of thought I don't follow, but what can I do)? I really have been trying to reduce the reliance on primary sources in the JW topic area but sometimes it can get a bit disheartening. Anyways, the books I have are:

  • Jehovah's Witnesses: A New Introduction by George Chryssides
  • State and Salvation by William Kaplan
  • Jehovah's Witnesses and the Third Reich by James Penton
  • Apocalypse Delayed, also by Penton
  • Jehovah's Witnesses and the Nazis by Michel Reynaud and Sylvie Graffard
  • Crisis of Allegiance by James Beverly
  • Judging Jehovah's Witnesses by Shawn Francis Peters
  • Jehovah's Witnesses and the Secular World by Zoe Knox
  • Dissent on the Margins by Emily Baran

One of the difficulties is that people rarely write about JW beliefs in isolation and usually focus on other themes like legislation that impacted JWs or government interactions. Bibliography of works on Jehovah's Witnesses shows some of the works I don't have, for comparison. As far as I can tell, Jehovah's Witnesses: A Comprehensive and Selectively Annotated Bibliography is a work that focuses on literature published by others, not by JWs. Counting the Days to Armageddon: The Jehovah's Witnesses and the Second Presence of Christ might be more promising if I could get my hands on it someday. Anyways, that's why I've been relying on Chrysiddes so much in edits like these. As the jstor article mentions in the link I posted at the AfD itself, there isn't much scholarship on JW culture or the historiography of their publications. It's not really something that has been done, even if you find such an idea shocking. I also don't think we need two separate duplicative pages on the same topic. I figured the one that already doesn't cite any secondary sources at all would be the less controversial one to delete but given how this AfD is going, I suppose it isn't. I wish the arguments were stronger – I don't understand when people will say things like an article is well-sourced when it isn't or your argument that sources must exist without providing them. But I also don't want to drown out other people's commentary. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

If you ever do find something when you have more time, keep me in mind? I'd be genuinely interested in such content. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:33, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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@Premeditated Chaos: Someone nominated it on enwp, too, FYI. Maybe you can get a whole McMain Page sometime. :) — Rhododendrites \\ 13:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
That'd be fun! Thanks again :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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Commons open letter

The link to the open letter at Commons mentioned at Wales' talk page may be mislinked. It presently goes here. Thanks for bringing up the topic, and wondering exactly how much funding would be needed to accomplish everything Commons is asking for. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Oops! Fixed now. Thanks, Randy Kryn. — Rhododendrites \\ 13:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

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Removal of sourced information

Why did you remove information in the article? Donald J. Harris is known as an economist who is influenced by post-Keynesian economics and Marxist economics. None of those terms are slurs or POV-pushing.

Multiple reliable sources describe him as a "post-Keynesian scholar", "Marxist scholar", and a "heterodox economist" who is "influenced by Marxism and post-Keynesian thought". I'm confused on why you deleted it. KlayCax (talk) 00:49, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Marxism is additionally not an insult, as you are suggesting, but a way of interpreting economics and the relation between capital and labor. KlayCax (talk) 00:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
You edited her father's article, adding "Marxian economist" to the very first sentence citing a paper he wrote on Marxian economics. Writing a paper about a subject is not sufficient to highlight one descriptor above all else. That it was immediately after wedging "Marxist" (not even "Marxian") into the lead of Kamala Harris biography betrays an obvious POV. Regarding "it's not an insult", I do not believe that you do not know one of our two political parties has been casting anything related to Marx as bogeymen and then, of course, trying to cast opponents as Marxist. — Rhododendrites \\ 00:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Responded on the article's talk page. But your argument seems to be that we should dumb or remove information from the article because some people are idiots. That's something we shouldn't do.
I also added that they weren't close together + don't talk + have a frictional relationship. KlayCax (talk) 02:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

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Hmm

I just looked at your list of things you listen to--I'm very ignorant. Anyway, I had two questions for you. First, your block log is clean: would you like for me to change that? Just for the hell of it? It's like a cool scar. Second, can I vote you in for ArbCom or something like that? Change of pace! Drmies (talk) 17:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Drmies: #What_I_should_be_listening_to_(and_what_you're_listening_to) awaits you. Also I didn't realize I hadn't updated that section in a year. I mean really, at this stage, just the fact that I'm aware of any music from the last 5-10 years is kind of a miracle. :)
As for your questions, thanks for the offer but I think I'll go ahead and pass on both scars. — Rhododendrites \\ 18:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Donald J. Harris

Hello. Why can't we call Don Harris a "marxist economist". A reputable source like The Economist calls him exactly that. Smells like bias to me?--Afus199620 (talk) 16:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

@Afus199620: An article should summarize the body of literature about a person. Since his daughter became the presumptive democratic nominee, there have been probably 10 different attempts to insert the word "Marxist" into her father's biography (and other articles) with little to no attempt to actually improve the article. Bias is searching out a term that resonates with one side of a culture war, finding sources that use that term, and adding only those to the article. Neutrality is taking all of the best sources about a subject and summarizing them, describing various aspects of the subject in proportion to their presence in the literature. If you searching out sources to call him a Marxist, you're failing at NPOV. To be clear: yes of course he draws on and was influenced by Marx. You can't really do economics + class + inequality without Marx. In fact, Marx is already mentioned multiple times in the article. I'm not even opposed to talking about him as a "Marxian economist" (which, again, isn't inaccurate) -- what I'm opposed to are these non-neutral drive-by insertions of "Marxist" with no attempt to present a proportional view of the subject. — Rhododendrites \\ 16:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
@Rhododendrites: Fair point. But it should still be allowed to call him a Marxist economist when one of the biggest business magazines describes him as such. It is also very questionable and against neutrality to simply delete quotes from reputable sources for the simple suspicion that an editor is maybe biased. I am not biased. I was merely surprised that he is not labeled a Marxist when the Economist does so. Where are the sources for him not being a Marxist? The quote from The Economist should at least be under the section "Contributions to economic analysis and policy". I would therefore ask you not to undo my edit again this time. Greetings.--Afus199620 (talk) 16:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
The Economist is a reliable source, but that doesn't guarantee inclusion (see WP:ONUS). It would be surprising to find a source that says "he's not a Marxist", because he clearly is influenced by/uses Marx. Point is, there are a lot of sources about him which say a lot more than "he's a Marxist", including a lot which just don't talk about his relationship with Marx. Ignoring all of that to add "he's a Marxist" is not neutral. — Rhododendrites \\ 17:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
But it should be allowed to write that he was described as a marxist by a source. Not every source about him has to call him a marxist for adding one sentence. It is relevant information for an economist. Why can you include reliable source A but not reliable source B? It seems to me very arbitrary. You can say that people who call him a Marxist are biased in some way and are searching for a source to call him a Marxist, but that's just a subjective opinion. Maybe people who are deleting every edit that brings Harris in direct relation to marxism are biased themselves. I find this argument just not convincing.--Afus199620 (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Sep 25: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting (plus Latin music event on Sep 21!)

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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our Annual Election & Members Meeting, with in-person at Prime Produce in Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan, as well as an online-based participation option.

The Members' Meeting is similar to other WikiWednesday meetups, except that its primary function is to elect a new Board of Directors. We will elect three board seats, half of the elected seats on the board. After being elected, those elected can potentially appoint more seats.

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Sep 21: Wikicurious for Latin Music: Editing to the Beat ♫

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Sorry for simutaneous edits and about the links and parameters

can you restore it again, due to some conflict in editing, the clean up is gone? Nohorizonss (talk) 16:59, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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House sparrow

The house sparrow (Passer domesticus) is a passerine bird of the sparrow family Passeridae. Originally native to Europe, the Mediterranean Basin and a large part of Asia, it is now found in most parts of the world and is the most widely distributed wild bird. It is closely associated with human habitation and resides in both urban and rural areas. The house sparrow is a small bird with a typical length of 16 cm (6.3 in) and a mass of 24–39.5 g (0.85–1.39 oz). Females and young birds are coloured pale brown and grey, and males have brighter black, white, and brown markings. It is sometimes considered a pest but is also sometimes kept as a pet or used as a food item. This male house sparrow was photographed in Prospect Park, New York City, New York.

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shouldn't donald j harris article have a new photo?

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is this in reference to a specific edit I made? — Rhododendrites \\ 19:50, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

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Oct 26: Wikidata Day NYC

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Re Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Wikipediocracy-related_conduct

I suspect you may need to apply for a word-count extension. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Wasn't sure if the limit was just the original message or if you're supposed to somehow get all your replies in that limit. Maybe the goal is preventing unnecessary responses, and as I type this I wonder if that's exactly what I just added... — Rhododendrites \\ 23:21, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm fairly certain that the limit applies to the total word count. They are generally open to extending it where it looks like being productive - JSS requested an extension earlier. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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  • Tech News: In issue 2024/42, read about the removal of the Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow), work on making text searches easier, and more. In issue 2024/43, read about improvements to mobile app navigation, temporary accounts pilot details, the Content Discovery Experiments, and more updates.
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Misplaced Pages owes its existence to the dedication of volunteers who contribute encyclopedic content according to fundamental principles, often with as much commitment as one would give a full time job. These volunteers make personal sacrifices to ensure that what the world sees when it visits Misplaced Pages is as comprehensive and reliable as possible. These individuals are not paid for their work, but driven by the conviction that free access to knowledge has the power to improve lives.

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Many people, companies, and governments look at articles that meet our standards for neutrality and sourcing and want to replace them with their own preferred narratives. If they can effectively use their money, influence, and power to pierce anonymity and threaten, intimidate, sue, or arrest volunteers simply for making edits in accordance with our basic policies, it threatens the neutrality and accuracy of those articles. More importantly, it signals that these are effective strategies for silencing voices one doesn't like and creates a pernicious chilling effect for all contributors.

For an anonymous or pseudonymous contributor here, there is exactly one organization with the capacity--and the responsibility--to defend Wikipedians against powerful entities: the Wikimedia Foundation. We, the undersigned, appreciate the complexities of international legal disputes over release of personally identifying information and commend the foundation for both routinely resisting disclosure and assisting editors who find themselves in legal jeopardy. However, in light of cases around the world whereby powerful people seek to influence Misplaced Pages by attacking its users, we call upon the foundation to:

(1) prioritize the safety and well-being of volunteers even if it comes with a risk of legal action against the foundation;
(2) create a dedicated team of staff and advisors focused on procedural, technical, and legal assessment, strategies, and tools to preserve the pseudonymity or anonymity of contributors who need it. While this statement comes during a high-profile case, these are principles which apply broadly, and this team should be prepared to address censorship threats both in places where they exist now and where they may arise in the future as political landscapes evolve.

We, the volunteers, must be able to contribute with the assurity that the Wikimedia Foundation will defend those of us whose guilt is in upholding our shared principles, and will hold that defense even if it comes at a cost. Because the cost of failing is even greater. The choice to stand firm for our most vulnerable contributors in the face of censorship is an ethical one--it's existential. It is a fundamental decision to preserve the independence, credibility, and mission of the world's largest 💕.

— Rhododendrites \\ 04:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say that I hope you don't feel that I stepped on your toes here, Rhododendrites. I saw a consensus emerging for a concise letter and was encouraged by Ipigott (albeit based on what turned out to be an incorrect assumption) to write a shorter draft, and felt like time was pressing. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
No, no worries at all. I'm not worried about credit, if that's what you mean. As I just wrote at VPW, I'm just not sure I want to sign on to something that's explicitly about one ongoing case rather than a broader statement of principles. — Rhododendrites \\ 14:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Rhododendrites, and obviously everyone can only support whatever wording they feel personally works for them. We're all on the same page here. I'd encourage you to work up a broader general statement of principles that doesn't mention the case to collect signatures in parallel, because in the current (US) climate, it is clear that this is just going to be the tip of a very big iceberg, and I'd like more clarity from WMF about what they are going to do about it. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

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Remember that second photo you showed me with the ketchup chip photo having better white balance? If you still have it around somewhere, I'd appreciate it being uploaded. A friend convinced me to try my luck at GAN (which is something I've only done once and years ago). If the article does pass, it'd be nice to have a better photo in the article. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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I don't know how to revert to a previous file version on Commons? If it requires a certain right, I don't have it. But I like the version with the edit summary of "alternate version with just wb adjustment" because it reflects the reality of what they look like best. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
@Clovermoss:  Done. Didn't realize reverting image versions required a special right. So down in the commons:File:Ketchup_chips.jpg#File history section, the first column of the table doesn't show "revert"? Maybe it's tied in with rollback or something. — Rhododendrites \\ 01:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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The green iguana (Iguana iguana), also known as the American iguana, the common green iguana, or simply the iguana, is a large, arboreal, mostly herbivorous species of lizard of the genus Iguana. The species is native to a large geographic area, from southern Brazil and Paraguay as far north as Mexico. It grows to 1.7 metres (5.6 feet) in length from head to tail, although a few specimens have grown more than 2 metres (6.6 feet) with weights upward of 20 pounds (9.1 kilograms). Green iguanas possess a row of spines along their backs and tails, which helps to protect them from predators. Their whip-like tails can be used to deliver painful strikes, and like many other lizards, when grabbed by the tail, iguanas can allow it to break, so they can escape and eventually regenerate a new one. This green iguana was photographed in Palm Beach County, Florida, where the species has been introduced.



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An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Great kiskadee (70240).jpg, was nominated on Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Misplaced Pages:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust  10:56, 22 January 2025 (UTC)


			

					

								
							
					

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