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== Edit request == | |||
== officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) == | |||
The sources Nos 4 and 5 (as of this moment), at the first paragraph of the article, and which are primary sources, do not say at all, against what our text claims, that "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus". I prefer another user to edit this and also remove those sources. I will do that myself if neither my request is done nor I am convinced by a possible discussion here. --] (]) 21:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
I think the term "officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is wrong as the island of Cyprus is still under Turkish occupation and Officially not recognised as a country, only by the Turkish government which are the military force still occupying the northern part of Cyprus. | |||
:Even if the sources don't use those explicit words, it is quite clear form reading the sources that the UN (and thus the international community) considers the "TRNC" to be territory of the Republic of Cyprus under occupation. ] (]) 23:08, 19 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
Maybe if you change it to "also known as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" would help people understand more as this is misleading to people and countries that don't know the situation. | |||
: Instead of <br/>"Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus", I propose that <br/> "Though recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus has an increasing international acception.". Reason: There are hundreds of International organizations in which Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are members as two completely different countries. ] (]) 07:14, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
I hope that a worldwide known source of information as your site would try to be neutral in all political situations and try to get the facts right. | |||
:Those organizations do not operate at a political level and as such it is inaccurate to say that. Additionally, I've noticed that you have been adding details on various articles about the TRNC declaring an EEZ. This is also inaccurate since EEZ is declared according to UN laws. Please change the edits you have made adding a 'de facto' border.] (]) 11:48, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
As i saw in other responses, the word "Official" is erroneous and totally misleading to false information. | |||
:: As you clearly state, there are thousands of international organizations that do not operate "at a political level". Hence, these thosands of international organizations forming a very major bulk of "International Community" clearly nullifies the writing: "Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus". <br/>Even, from political context, international community is not restricted to UN. There are OIC with 57 member countries. OIC recognize "Northern Cyprus" as "Turkish Cypriot State". NC hosted many OIC meetings. Also, President, foreign minister and other ministers of NC participated to many OIC meetings. Even the UN itself cannot qualify the "president" of Cyprus as president. Whenever a Northern Cypriot president/minister/official is present in a UN meeting, UN qualifies differently. For example, UN qualifies "presidents" of C and NC as "community leaders". You also say, "EEZ is declared according to UN laws". UN laws are not crystal clear to reveal and clearly separate the EEZs of countries. For example,<br/> | |||
Romania-Ukraine on Snake Island: UN ] decided in 2009 that Snake island has no EEZ other than its 12-nautical mile.<br/>(Both Romania and Ukraine declared their EEZs according to UN laws, each differently interpreting the laws.) | |||
Eritre-Yemen on Hanish Islands: UN ] decided in 1998 that Hanish islands cannot affect the determination of EEZs of Yemen and Eritre.<br/> | |||
(Both Eritre and Yemen declared their EEZs according to UN laws, each differently interpreting the laws.)<br/> | |||
Whenever there is a dispute on EEZ and the countries in trouble choose to go the UN's ICJ then only that time UN actively participate to the procedure. Other than that, UN cannot specify the EEZs of each country in the world. Also, Turkey declared its EEZ with Northern Cyprus taking into account the UN laws. Could you specify clearly which changes you refer, I did not understansd?] (]) 13:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC) <br/> | |||
'''NOW''': '''Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus'''<br/> | |||
'''PROPOSED''': '''Though recognised only by Turkey and considered by the United Nations to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus, Northern Cyprus has an increasing international acception'''.<br/> | |||
And because i know your response of <u>'''"The use of the word "officially" refers to its own official description of itself, unrelated to what other states recognise it as"'''</u>, the word '''"Official"''' is used in a formal or authoritative manner, where in this case none of that arguments are true. | |||
Misplaced Pages must reflect the facts and realities in neutral way. Both the negative and positive things (pros and cons) must be reflected simultaneously.<br/> | |||
Recognised ''only'' by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be ''occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus''. After saying this, a positive thing about the country must also exist in the ENTRANCE paragraph. Its successes, etc.] (]) 09:38, 22 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
There is no formal government apart from the one the occupying force of Turkey is authorising and TRNC has no authority in the world as it is NOT recognised as a country!!! | |||
== De facto or self declared == | |||
Again, i only ask to change the word officially to something more correct as stated above. ] (]) 18:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC) | |||
:Officially in this sense is used to mean "what it calls itself". Same as how the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Commonwealth of Australia, and the Republic of Türkiye are the "official" names of those respective three states, but they don't actually have any ability to make you call them that and not Britain (or England), Australia, or Turkey. --] (]) 09:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Formal name change == | |||
== Please remove water percentage. == | |||
says the name change we've supposedly missed for months was to “Cyprus Turkish Republic". Meanwhile, the still uses Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. I suggest we keep TRNC unless substantial change is shown. ] (]) 10:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
:The source did not state anything of a kind relating to a formal name change for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. It claimed that its ] would be labeled as the ''Cyprus Turkish Republic'', not the state itself. A name change is not required. ] <small>(] • ] • ])</small> 16:15, 12 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
The water percentage of Northern Cyprus is obviously nowhere near 2.7%. The 2.7% is actually Iceland's old water percentage. . Northern Cyprus has no official water percentage, so none should be listed. ] (]) 00:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Lead 4th paragraph == | |||
:{{Done}} ] (]) 01:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Turkish Federated State of Cyprus date should be February == | |||
The current lead has a bit of duplication, which could be worked out in order to provide space for some other information, perhaps about demographics or culture. In particular, the fourth paragraph doesn't say much new. That the attempts to solve the Cyprus dispute have failed seems obvious due to the fact that Northern Cyprus remains a self-declared state. This sentence could be merged with the preceding paragraph on the history if it is needed. The next sentence, on one particular round of peace talks, doesn't seem that important, as there's no real reason why one particular round of talks deserves mention above any of the others (except perhaps the annan plan, but even that I would leave to the main text). The last bit on the military seems a bit too detailed, especially as we already mention the area is considered occupied territory in the first paragraph, and that Northern Cyprus receives military support in the third paragraph. Is there any objection to moving this detail out of the lead and into the main body of the article? (Where it should be anyway, irrespective of whether or not it's in the lead.) ] (]) 20:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC) | |||
Hello, currently the article's infobox states: | |||
==Defacto selfdeclared 2== | |||
• Turkish Federated State of Cyprus | |||
:I agree with E4024. "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is definitely wrong. Here are the reasons.<br/> | |||
'''1'''. ] and ] are TWO DIFFERENT MEMBERS of "European Billiard Federation" and "World Billiard Championship": <br/> | |||
http://www.billiardapps.com/members.asp?db=epc&client=&header=yes&filter=yes&footer=yes&showtabs=yes&tab=people <br/> | |||
http://epbf.com/about-epbf/members/ <br/> | |||
] and ] was matched in 2010 European Billiard Championship as two different countries and under different flags: http://www.kibrispostasi.com/print.php?news=36706 <br/> | |||
Are "European Billiard Federation" and "World Billiard Championship" not part of International Community?<br/> | |||
'''2'''. ]' passport is recognized by many countries (Australia, United States of America (USA), United Kingdom (UK), France, Pakistan, Turkey, Germany, Azerbaijan, Syria, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzistan, etc.). NC passport is a valid legal entrance document.<br/> | |||
'''3'''. Yeni Bogazici municipality of ] became a member of International Cittaslow organization in 2013. See the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" name and flag in official Cittaslow page (There is no member of Republic of Cyprus and hence "Rep. of Cyprus" flag is not waved in official Cittaslow page!): <br/> http://www.cittaslow.org/network/country/58 <br/> | |||
'''4'''. ] and Rep. of ]' are represented as TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES in "European Biologist Union": http://www.europeanbiologists.eu/index.php/members/full <br/> | |||
http://www.europeanbiologists.eu/index.php/members/full/73-full-members/13-north-cyprus <br/> | |||
'''5'''. Organization of Islamic Cooperation (with 57 member countries) considers the Northern Cyprus as "Turkish Cypriot State" and LEGAL "CONSTITUENT" State in its resolutions. Hence the word "OCCUPIED territory" is definitely wrong. <br/> Is a world-wide organization with 57 countries as member not a part of International Community? <br/> | |||
Twelfth Summit of the OIC (7 February 2013, Cairo, Egypt): "A solution to the Cyprus Problem would be based on the inherent constitutive power of the two peoples, their political equality and co-ownership of the island, OIC express its solidarity with the Turkish Cypriots and its appreciation for their constructive efforts to attain a mutually acceptable settlement and call on member states to strengthen effective solidarity with the Turkish Cypriot State."<br/> In June 2004, ] became an observer member of Organisation of Islamic Countries (OIC) under the name "Turkish Cypriot State".<ref>http://www.mfa.gov.tr/data/DISPOLITIKA/KIBRIS/234.pdf</ref> According to OIC, the settlement to the Cyprus Dispute is based on the INHERENT CONSTITUTIVE POWER of the Greek Cypriot and TURKISH CYPRIOT peoples, their POLITICAL EQUALITY and CO-OWNERSHIP OF THE CYPRUS ISLAND.<ref> UN Headquarters, New York, 28 September 2012 Final Communique</ref><br/> | |||
'''6'''. United Nations negotiations are to bring the entities of Turkish Cypriots (Northern Cyprus) and Greek Cypriots (Rep. of Cyprus) under "UNITED CYPRUS REPUBLIC". Even in 2004, UN Referendum Plan named it as "UNITED Cyprus Republic". That is to say, Northern Cyprus was considered to be LEGAL part of "FUTURE" UNITED Cyprus Republic, not part of "PRESENT" "Rep. of CYPRUS". Can one thing COMPLETELY LEGAL in future be completely ILLEGAL at present! <br/> | |||
'''7'''. ] became a member of ] in 2012. Can an entity became a member of a serious international organizations if illegal! Is ] not a part of International Community? <br/> | |||
'''8'''. TRNC (Turkish Rep. of Northern Cyprus) Bike Lovers Association became a member of "European Cylist Federation" in 2013: <br/> http://www.ecf.com/member-organisation/kktc-bisiklet-seveler-dernegi-bike-lovers-association/ <br/> | |||
Does "European Cylist Federation (ECF)" not a part of International Community? <br/> | |||
'''9'''. TRNC Education Sciences Organization (KEB-DER) is a member of "European Education Research Union". Is "European Education Research Union" not a part of International Community? <br/> | |||
'''10'''. Northern Cyprus Higher Education Evalution Accreditation Organization (YÖDAK) became a member of "European Higher Education Quality Evaluation Union (ENQA)" in 2007. <br/> http://www.enqa.eu/index.php/members-area/enqa-affiliates/ <br/> | |||
Is "European Higher Education Quality Evaluation Union (ENQA)" not a member of International Community? <br/> | |||
'''11'''. "FootballTennis Association of North Cyprus" is a member of the "Federation International FootballTennis Association (FIFTA)": <br/> | |||
http://www.fifta.org/portal/tema.asp?subkatID=85 <br/> The 2011 European FootballTennis Championship was hosted by North Cyprus. Can an "ILLEGAL" and "OCCUPIED" country host one of European Championships in its country? <br/> | |||
'''12'''. Northern Cyprus is a member of International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA): <br/> | |||
http://www.fila-official.com/index.php?option=com_annuaire_fila&act=fiche&fed=642&filtre_continent=2&filtre_pays=&Itemid=105&limit=0&limitstart=0&lang=en <br/> | |||
http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haberYazdir&ArticleID=75343&tip (Wrestling Federation accepts Turkish Cyprus as member) <br/> | |||
Is FILA not a member of International Community? <br/> | |||
'''13'''. Northern Cyprus became a member of the Islamic Solidarity Sports Federation (ISSF). <br/> | |||
http://www.oic-oci.org/37cfm/en/documents/res/37-CFM-POL-RES-ENGLISH-FINAL.pdf <br/> | |||
'''14'''. North Cyprus National Red Crescent became a member of nternational Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) in 2013<br/> | |||
http://todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action;jsessionid=74D3DCDA53663022F0F176CDDD20F606?newsId=333125<br/> | |||
'''15'''. ] and ] are separately represented as two different countries in International Hotel and Restaurant Association (IHRA)<br/> | |||
http://ih-ra.com/?s=&post_type=listing&et-listing-type=9&et-listing-location=10 <br/> | |||
'''16'''. ] is a member of Global Taekwondo Federation (GTF): | |||
http://www.gtftaekwondo.com/GTF/Country_Members.html and <br/> | |||
GTF 9th World Championship was held in Northern Cyprus: http://kktctaekwondo.org.tr/gtf-9th-world-championships-2013 <br/> | |||
The headquarter of "Eurasia Taekwondo Federations Union" is in Kyrenia of Northern Cyprus: http://kktctaekwondo.org.tr/avrasya-taekwondo-federasyonlar-birligi/ and http://kktctaekwondo.org.tr/federasyonumuz/federasyonun-tarihcesi/ <br/> | |||
'''17'''. EasyKart Federation of North Cyprus is a member of the International EasyKart Federation. In 2008, Zeka Ozteknik of Northern Cyprus became International Easykart champion in 125cc.<br/>http://www.brtk.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31459:zeka-oezteknk-died-in-a-motorcycle-accident&catid=5:kktc&Itemid=28 <br/> http://www.easykart.co.uk/2011/10/19/results-for-2012-here-2/]<br/> | |||
'''18'''. Northern Cyprus is a member country of International TURKSOY Organization: http://www.turksoy.org.tr/en/members/trnc.html | |||
13 October 1975 | |||
So, THERE ARE NUMEROUS INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS IN WHICH NORTHERN CYPRUS AND REP. of CYPRUS ARE BEING REPRESENTED AS TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES UNDER DIFFERENT FLAGS. Hence the writing "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is definitely wrong.<br/> | |||
This should be changed into 13 February 1975 which is the correct date, as can be seen on the article of the Federated State itself. I would do it myself but there's extended protection in place. Thanks. ] (]) 08:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
'''NOW''': '''Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus'''<br/> | |||
'''PROPOSED''': '''Though recognised only by Turkey and considered by the United Nations to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus, Northern Cyprus has an increasing international acception'''.<br/> | |||
(See above)] (]) 09:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:{{done}} ] (]) 09:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I would recommend reading the terms of agreement for all these organisations. They may contain a disclaimer stating that nothing is warranted with regard to the political position of the state involved. Sporting quangos and voluntary organisations can take a pragmatic approach without it necessarily affecting the political status quo. ] (]) 11:58, 17 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:: First, International Community does not act mutatis mutandis with "Resolutions of UN" and "Membership to UN". The word "Country" is not restricted to the scope of UN! There are thousands of international organizations that do not care about what the "political position of the state involved" is. I can give hundreds of international organizations that take Cyprus and Northern Cyprus as two completely different countries in all of its operations and regulations. As a conclusion, "International Community" is not restricted to the POLITICS, and in specific, the UN-basis. <br/> Second, even from political context, the sentence "Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is completely wrong. OIC (with 57 member countries) states that the settlement to the Cyprus Dispute is based on the INHERENT CONSTITUTIVE POWER of the Greek Cypriot and TURKISH CYPRIOT peoples, their POLITICAL EQUALITY and CO-OWNERSHIP OF THE CYPRUS ISLAND. I linked above this decision. Northern Cyprus is a member of OIC. Northern Cyprus hosted many meetings of OIC till now. UN cannot qualify the president of Cyprus as the "president" whenever there is president of Northern Cyprus in a meeting of UN. UN qualifies both the "presidents" as "community leaders".] (]) 12:46, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
==The legitimacy of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) is recognized worldwide (International court rulings and national court decisions of various countries)== | |||
: Self-declared (self-proclaimed) means <br/> | |||
"given a name or title by yourself without any official reason for it",<br/> | |||
"according to your own testimony or admission"<br/> | |||
"based on one's own assertion". <br/> | |||
* '''The International Court of Justice (ICJ) Ruling on Kosovo (2010):'''<br/> | |||
'''1'''. Look at the above "Edit Request". There are NUMEROUS INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS AND INSTITUTIONS that accept "Northern Cyprus" and "Cyprus" as TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES under TWO DIFFERENT FLAGS". Hence, SELF-declared and SELF-proclaimed claim is wrong. There are other "SELVES" other than NC that care and regard Northern Cyprus different from Cyprus.<br/> | |||
"THERE IS NOTHING IN INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE, and the RECOGNITION OF A STATE IS A POLITICAL MATTER." | |||
'''2'''. Also, the words "SELF-proclaimed" and "SELF-'''declare'''d" became obsolete and invalid by the United Nations' International Court of Justice (In 22 July 2010): '''International law contains no prohibition on DECLARAtions of independence'''. See ], for example. That is to say, "A DECLARATION" cannot be viewed and declared ILLEGAL! Whether a country qualifies "illegal" the "declaration of independence" of other country has no legal binding in international law. Meaning that a country does not have a say on the "legality/illegality of declaration" of the other country. See Kosovo. Now, Kosovo is recognized by 106/193 countries and ALL of the countries (193/193) MUST ACT accordingly with the international law that "Decl. of Ind. of Kosovo is LEGAL" whether recognize the country Kosovo or not! Hence, changing "de-facto" to "self-declared" was definitely wrong. Hence, the original "de-facto must be re-put" whereas self-declared and/or self-proclaimed must be removed. ] (]) 13:41, 17 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
The United States of America (USA), in the ICJ’s 2010 Kosovo ruling, rejected the Greek Cypriot stance and issued a statement favorable to the Turkish Cypriots: | |||
The UN clearly declared TRNC's independence as legally invalid. That is how legality is established. No single country other than Turkey maintains an embassy and formally recognizes the TRNC. That is why it has no calling code and is not member of global post. What you have mentioned above is true yes. TRNC is a member of some European organizations but no country recognizes it although it accepts its passports. Turkey does not recognize the Greek Cypriot side as a country but also accepts their passports if they get a visa. As long as the UN resolution which declares it legally invalid exists then it it.In any case what needs to be done I believe is wait for more people's opinions before any further changes.] (]) 21:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
Harold Hongju Koh (The USA's representative in the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo case on behalf of the USA): "The argument advanced by Cyprus against the legality of Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence is incorrect. Cyprus attempted to compare the 1244 process to the 'heartbreaking but misleading situation' of a parent sending their young child into state care, never to see them again. I argued, however, that a more accurate analogy would be the futile attempt by the state to forcibly return an adult child to an abusive home when the child no longer wishes to return, especially after the parent and child have LONG LIVED APART, and REPEATED ATTEMPTS AT RECONCILIATION HAVE REPEATEDLY FAILED. In such a case, as here, a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE THE ONLY VALID OPTION and would undoubtedly be lawful.”<br/> | |||
UN Security Council (1983): "The Declaration of Independence of TRNC is illegal". <br/> | |||
https://www.icj-cij.org/public/files/case-related/141/141-20091208-ORA-01-00-BI.pdf (Page38; Paragraph40) | |||
UN International Court of Justice (2010): '''International law contains no prohibition on declarationS of independence'''. <br/> | |||
Now, the question: Which one of the organs are higher LEGAL AUTHORITY in UN in terms of law, judicial matters etc.. SC or ICJ? <br/> | |||
Answer: UN ICJ. Reasons: <br/> | |||
1. UN ICJ is an organizations established for judicial matters, state of legal affairs, law, etc. TO SAY THE LAST WORD. On the other hand, UN SC is not. <br/> | |||
2. In 2010, UN SC sent the situation of LEGALITY of Declaration of Independence of Kosovo to the UN ICJ. That is to say, UN ICJ is hierarchically superior to UN SC in law, judicial matters etc. After UN ICJ decided a matter, UN SC and all other judicial organs in the world must act accordingly. UN ICJ supersides UN SC in international law.<br/> | |||
3. In 2010, UN ICJ decided not "INTERNATIONAL LAW contains no prohibition on Declaration of independence '''of Kosovo'''", but decided <br/> | |||
"International law contains no prohibition on Declaration'''S''' of independence".<br/> | |||
That is to say, UN SC cannot determine what is legal or illegal in international law. UN ICJ does.<br/> | |||
4. UN SC's 1983 decision was clearly overridden by UN ICJ's 2010 decision.<br/> | |||
5. Whether a country recognizes the other country or not does not determine the LEGALITY of other country in UN basis. <br/> | |||
Recognition and legality are totally different. UK, USA do '''not''' recognize Northern Cyprus, but '''does''' accept the passports of Northern Cyprus. UK and USA do '''not''' recognize Abhasia and Ossetia and also do '''not''' accept the passports of Abhasia and Ossetia. See the difference.<br/> | |||
Accordingly, the US Federal Court (on 9 October 2014) declared the TRNC as a "democratic republic with a president, a prime minister, a legislative body, and a judiciary." | |||
In the article, it was already written as "de-facto". The anonymous IP (95.141.20.196) made the change (de-facto->self-declared) without | |||
waiting for anyone's opinion. ] (]) 10:05, 20 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
In the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo ruling, ICJ Judge Trindade: "The emphasis has shifted from the status of the TERRITORIES to the NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE."<br/> | |||
The United Nations International Court of Justice also considers North Cyprus as legally invalid because it was declared via an outside force. According to it, it is a prolonged military occupation: | |||
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/141/141-20100722-ADV-01-08-EN.pdf (Page550; Paragraph66) | |||
"The law of military occupation is set out in the 1907 Hague Regulations (Articles 42-56) the 1949 Fourth Geneva Convention, 1977 Additional Protocol I, and customary international law. As only Cyprus has adhered to the 1977 Additional Protocol I, the Protocol is not itself applicable directly, although those provisions that reflect customary international law in an international armed conflict apply. In addition, international human rights law is binding on Turkey in the territories it occupies (4). The European Court of Human Rights has ruled in a number of cases that Turkey exercises effective control over the north of the island, which engages its legal responsibility under the European Convention on Human Rights. (5) | |||
* '''The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 July 2013):'''<br/> | |||
The underpinning of the law of military occupation is that it is a temporary situation, which lasts until a political agreement is reached. During this period, the occupant does not enjoy sovereign rights over the territories it occupies and local law that was applicable prior to the occupation remains in force. At the same time, the Occupying Power is responsible for administering the local life of the population under its control, maintaining it as it was prior the occupation as closely as possible, and for providing security (Art. 43 of the Hague regulations)." As for the British Government, they DO consider it invalid. | |||
"Although the regime in the northern area lacks international recognition, THE DE FACTO RECOGNITION OF THE REGIME’S ACTIONS IN THE NORTH MAY BE NECESSARY FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES. Therefore, the adoption of civil, administrative, or criminal legal measures by the authorities of the 'TRNC', and their application or enforcement within the territory of the regime in the north, may be seen as having a LEGAL BASIS IN DOMESTIC LAW for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."<br/> | |||
: Accoring to ], "'''The UK does not recognise the self-declared 'Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' ('TRNC' in the northern part of the island. The 'TRNC' is not internationally recognised, except by Turkey. Throughout this document, the 'TRNC' is either referred to as such, or simply as the northern part of Cyprus.'''" ] (]) 16:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-122907 | |||
:: According to United Kingdom Border Agency, The PASSPORT of Northern Cyprus is COMPLETELY LEGAL. You can enter UK with a Northern Cyprus passport. The Official page of UK: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/visas-immigration/do-you-need-a-visa/ <br/> | |||
Once more I repeat, "Recognition" and "Legality" is two completely different things. UK does not recognize Northern Cyprus, but UK recognizes the passport of Northern Cyprus; Hence, The passport of NC is completely LEGAL. <br/> | |||
Also, '''International Community does not act mutatis mutandis with "resolutions of UN and membership to UN"'''. Many international organizations do not care whether a country is a member to UN or not. For example, the biggest sports organization, FIFA of football, accepts non-UN countries as well. In 2011, Gibraltar (a country that even does not claim any sovereignity) became a member of FIFA. Hence, the sentence "Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus" is completely wrong. <br/> | |||
Also, according to UN, there is an ongoing dispute in Cyprus issue. UN cannot qualify the president of Cyprus as "president". Whenever there is president of Northern Cyprus in a meeting in UN, UN qualifies both presidents as "community leaders"! <br/> | |||
Cyprus matched and played with Northern Cyprus in 2010 European Billiard Championship. <br/> Also, Cyprus itself declared its EEZ that does not even cover the EEZ of Northern Cyprus. Here is the EEZ of Cyprus: ] of ].]] | |||
] (]) 12:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
* '''The United States Federal Court (9 October 2014):'''<br/> | |||
: What FIFA or the European Tennis association believe is rather irrelevant; while it might be true that recognition and legality are separate concepts, the very reason it is not recognized is because it is considered 'Illegal'. The UN resolution came up from the international community, not from some random people. The term occupied is true since it is considered by the UN as well as the International Court of Justice a prolonged military occupation. Furthermore, Cyprus does claim the north seas as it's own EEZ. Because according to the international community Cyprus is the de jure government, of the island, its EEZ covers the north as well. De facto though, it has no control over it. What needs to be done, is to wait and obtain consensus.] (]) 13:32, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
"...Although the US does not recognize the TRNC as a state, it can be said that the TRNC purportedly operates as a '''DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary'''...The TRNC is NOT vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington."<br/> | |||
:: In the sentence "Recognised only by Turkey, Northern Cyprus is considered by the international community to be occupied territory of the Republic of Cyprus", especially the "International Community" part is over and over biased. One may establish a sentence to reflect the situation in UN. The EEZ that I put in this page declared by the Rep. of Cyprus itself! Also, as you specify, "The UN resolution came up from the international community, not from some random people.". That international community does not hold their situation as a constant and non-changable fact. As I say before, I can list hundreds of international organizations in which Cyprus and Northern Cyprus are regarded as two completely different countries. In some of these organizations, even Cyprus and Northern Cyprus matched and played as completely two different countries. I will expand the above list to make you sure that there are indeed that much organizations. The phrase "International Community" in the above context is definitely wrong. I gave not only international sports organizations, but also international education, international tourism, etc. organizations that regarded Cyprus and Northern Cyprus as completely different countries. Also, aside from the blurring picture in UN, OIC and other political context, '''International community does not act mutatis mutandis same with the UN and its politics'''. Many international organizations completely separate their view and attitude from politics. The thousands of these international organizations do clearly form part of "international community"] (]) 13:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2009cv01967/139002/53 | |||
* '''The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 September 2015):'''<br/> | |||
:Assuming international community in that context, it perhaps makes sense to change it to 'considered by the United Nations'. But it is still considered by the UN as occupied territory as well as a self declared state and it should remain as such in the article. So what I propose is replace international community with 'by the United Nations' It is not up to me to decide though. More people need to express opinion ] (]) 14:05, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
"The judicial system in the 'TRNC', including both civil and criminal courts, reflects the judicial and customary law tradition of Cyprus in its operation and procedures, and therefore, the courts of the 'TRNC' should be regarded as 'established by law' in reference to their 'constitutional and legal foundation. The ECHR had previously ruled that the judicial system established in the 'TRNC' should be considered 'established by law' based on the 'constitutional and legal foundation' that sustains it. Moreover, the ECHR does '''NOT''' accept that the courts in the 'TRNC', as a whole, lack independence and/or impartiality. When an action by the authorities of the 'TRNC' complies with the EXISTING LAWS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS, such actions, in principle, '''have a legal basis in domestic law''' for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights.<br/> | |||
:: Yeah, thanks; though still incorporates some degree of bias, your offer is clearly less biased if compared with "international community". In UN, it is strictly prohibited that any UN official cannot use the word "president" for the president of Cyprus whenever a Northern Cypriot president is also present there. That is to say, acc. to UN, there is an ongoing dispute over Cyprus island, and UN is in position of neutral mediator.] (]) 14:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-155000 | |||
PS: Here, the ECtHR, by referring to the "laws in force in the northern region of Cyprus", means the laws enacted and enforced by the TRNC in northern Cyprus (see the ECtHR’s 02July2013 ruling). In summary, according to the ECtHR, the courts of the TRNC are INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIAL. | |||
::Yes that's why it's called "de Facto" and not "de Jure". We've been through all this, do we have to do it every year or so? ] (]) 16:56, 20 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
* '''United Kingdom High Court (3 February 2017):'''<br/> | |||
:Then apart from De Facto it is also legally invalid and hence self declared ] (]) 17:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
"There was '''NO''' duty in UK law upon the Government to refrain from recognising Northern Cyprus. The United Nations itself works with Northern Cyprus law enforcement agencies and facilitates co-operation between the two parts of the island...The cooperation between the UK police and legal institutions in Northern Cyprus is LAWFUL."<br/> | |||
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/criminals-fleeing-british-justice-can-no-longer-use-cyprus-safe<br/> | |||
http://ambamarblearch-media.com/sites/default/files/dpp_files/TT.pdf, Page6.] (]) 06:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Broken link in Infobox == | |||
::Just do a Google Books search and then another on . ] <small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 00:47, 22 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
:I've moved your posts to a new section. Please don't post in conversations half a year to a year old, this doesn't stimulate conversation. ] (]) 11:21, 20 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
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"International Council of Arbitration for Sport" (ICAS) is an organization not subordinate to UN. Once again, international community does not act mutatis mutandis same with the UN and its politics. There are many international organizations that completely separate their view and attitude from politics on purpose. Recognition is a political act as stated by UN ICJ.] (]) 09:49, 22 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
In the infobox (under 'establishment'), the link for the 'Independence from the Republic of Cyprus' (established_date4) links to a Wikisource page which does not exist. It should link to the Misplaced Pages page: ]. ] (]) 13:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
:{{done}} I don't see anything wrong with that! ] <sup>(])</sup> 14:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC)
I think the term "officially the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" is wrong as the island of Cyprus is still under Turkish occupation and Officially not recognised as a country, only by the Turkish government which are the military force still occupying the northern part of Cyprus.
Maybe if you change it to "also known as the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" would help people understand more as this is misleading to people and countries that don't know the situation.
I hope that a worldwide known source of information as your site would try to be neutral in all political situations and try to get the facts right.
As i saw in other responses, the word "Official" is erroneous and totally misleading to false information.
And because i know your response of "The use of the word "officially" refers to its own official description of itself, unrelated to what other states recognise it as", the word "Official" is used in a formal or authoritative manner, where in this case none of that arguments are true.
There is no formal government apart from the one the occupying force of Turkey is authorising and TRNC has no authority in the world as it is NOT recognised as a country!!!
Again, i only ask to change the word officially to something more correct as stated above. 31.153.117.40 (talk) 18:22, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
- Officially in this sense is used to mean "what it calls itself". Same as how the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Commonwealth of Australia, and the Republic of Türkiye are the "official" names of those respective three states, but they don't actually have any ability to make you call them that and not Britain (or England), Australia, or Turkey. --2001:8003:1C20:8C00:6D5F:BFE3:2975:276E (talk) 09:28, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Please remove water percentage.
The water percentage of Northern Cyprus is obviously nowhere near 2.7%. The 2.7% is actually Iceland's old water percentage. It happened when someone copied over the infobox from Iceland to make editing easier. Northern Cyprus has no official water percentage, so none should be listed. 99.64.160.215 (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done M.Bitton (talk) 01:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Turkish Federated State of Cyprus date should be February
Hello, currently the article's infobox states:
• Turkish Federated State of Cyprus
13 October 1975
This should be changed into 13 February 1975 which is the correct date, as can be seen on the article of the Federated State itself. I would do it myself but there's extended protection in place. Thanks. DjemDruid (talk) 08:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
The legitimacy of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC) is recognized worldwide (International court rulings and national court decisions of various countries)
- The International Court of Justice (ICJ) Ruling on Kosovo (2010):
"THERE IS NOTHING IN INTERNATIONAL LAW THAT PROHIBITS DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE, and the RECOGNITION OF A STATE IS A POLITICAL MATTER."
The United States of America (USA), in the ICJ’s 2010 Kosovo ruling, rejected the Greek Cypriot stance and issued a statement favorable to the Turkish Cypriots:
Harold Hongju Koh (The USA's representative in the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo case on behalf of the USA): "The argument advanced by Cyprus against the legality of Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence is incorrect. Cyprus attempted to compare the 1244 process to the 'heartbreaking but misleading situation' of a parent sending their young child into state care, never to see them again. I argued, however, that a more accurate analogy would be the futile attempt by the state to forcibly return an adult child to an abusive home when the child no longer wishes to return, especially after the parent and child have LONG LIVED APART, and REPEATED ATTEMPTS AT RECONCILIATION HAVE REPEATEDLY FAILED. In such a case, as here, a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WOULD BE THE ONLY VALID OPTION and would undoubtedly be lawful.”
https://www.icj-cij.org/public/files/case-related/141/141-20091208-ORA-01-00-BI.pdf (Page38; Paragraph40)
Accordingly, the US Federal Court (on 9 October 2014) declared the TRNC as a "democratic republic with a president, a prime minister, a legislative body, and a judiciary."
In the UN-ICJ 2010 Kosovo ruling, ICJ Judge Trindade: "The emphasis has shifted from the status of the TERRITORIES to the NEEDS AND DESIRES OF THE PEOPLE."
https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/141/141-20100722-ADV-01-08-EN.pdf (Page550; Paragraph66)
- The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 July 2013):
"Although the regime in the northern area lacks international recognition, THE DE FACTO RECOGNITION OF THE REGIME’S ACTIONS IN THE NORTH MAY BE NECESSARY FOR PRACTICAL PURPOSES. Therefore, the adoption of civil, administrative, or criminal legal measures by the authorities of the 'TRNC', and their application or enforcement within the territory of the regime in the north, may be seen as having a LEGAL BASIS IN DOMESTIC LAW for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)."
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-122907
- The United States Federal Court (9 October 2014):
"...Although the US does not recognize the TRNC as a state, it can be said that the TRNC purportedly operates as a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC with a president, prime minister, legislature and judiciary...The TRNC is NOT vulnerable to a lawsuit in Washington."
https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/district-of-columbia/dcdce/1:2009cv01967/139002/53
- The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR; 2 September 2015):
"The judicial system in the 'TRNC', including both civil and criminal courts, reflects the judicial and customary law tradition of Cyprus in its operation and procedures, and therefore, the courts of the 'TRNC' should be regarded as 'established by law' in reference to their 'constitutional and legal foundation. The ECHR had previously ruled that the judicial system established in the 'TRNC' should be considered 'established by law' based on the 'constitutional and legal foundation' that sustains it. Moreover, the ECHR does NOT accept that the courts in the 'TRNC', as a whole, lack independence and/or impartiality. When an action by the authorities of the 'TRNC' complies with the EXISTING LAWS OF NORTHERN CYPRUS, such actions, in principle, have a legal basis in domestic law for the purposes of the European Convention on Human Rights.
http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng?i=001-155000
PS: Here, the ECtHR, by referring to the "laws in force in the northern region of Cyprus", means the laws enacted and enforced by the TRNC in northern Cyprus (see the ECtHR’s 02July2013 ruling). In summary, according to the ECtHR, the courts of the TRNC are INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIAL.
- United Kingdom High Court (3 February 2017):
"There was NO duty in UK law upon the Government to refrain from recognising Northern Cyprus. The United Nations itself works with Northern Cyprus law enforcement agencies and facilitates co-operation between the two parts of the island...The cooperation between the UK police and legal institutions in Northern Cyprus is LAWFUL."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/03/criminals-fleeing-british-justice-can-no-longer-use-cyprus-safe
http://ambamarblearch-media.com/sites/default/files/dpp_files/TT.pdf, Page6.212.174.38.177 (talk) 06:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
Broken link in Infobox
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In the infobox (under 'establishment'), the link for the 'Independence from the Republic of Cyprus' (established_date4) links to a Wikisource page which does not exist. It should link to the Misplaced Pages page: Declaration of Independence of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. TheMinionsOfTheTrenches (talk) 13:58, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done I don't see anything wrong with that! Babysharkboss2!! 14:01, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
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