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	==Comments==		==Comments==
	I deleted a portion of this page because it contained factually disputed information published. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for publishing internal religious sectarian issues.		I deleted a portion of this page because it contained factually disputed information published. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for publishing internal religious sectarian issues.

	Then edit it to become neurtral, dont delete, read ] and ]. --] 11:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)		Then edit it to become neurtral, dont delete, read ] and ]. --] 11:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

			Abu Bakr married to Al-Harith's widow Umm Ruman on 601. Umm Ruman gave birth to Aisha and Abdul Rehman. Aisha bint Abu Bakr whom Umm Ruman had give birth, was engaged to Muhammad on 620 after Khatija's death. How can Aisa still be 6 years old then after Abu Bakr and Umm Ruman had been married for about 19 years by then. It can only be possible if Umm Ruman gave birth to Aisha 13 years after her marriage with Abu Bakr. Besides the age of Aisa when she married is higly disputed since the only narration that suggests Aysha's age when she married was by Hisham who was very old and his memory was week. His own students Malik and others criticised his naration. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			==Abdul-Rahman's Siblings==
			The article currently states that Abdul-Rahman and three of his siblings (Asma, ] and Aisha) were all born by 609. Although a source is provided, I find this statement very doubtful.
			It has been discussed ''ad nauseum'' on the talk pages about ] that her accepted date of birth was 613-614, and all suggestions that she was born earlier derive from unscholarly sources, O.R. or wishful thinking.
			This page is about Abdul-Rahman, so his sister's date of birth is of minimal relevance here. I suspect it was inserted by someone who had an axe to grind about Aisha and hoped the misinformation would pass unnoticed if it was slipped into her brother's page. There is a similar problem with the article about ], where it is mentioned that she was "ten years older than Aisha". This is of minimal relevance to Asma's life-story: the only purpose seems to be to hint that Aisha was born much earlier than 614.
			If Aisha was indeed born in 609 or earlier, we need a much stronger source than Masud-ul-Hasan!Petra MacDonald 10:45, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

			== Conflicting statements ==

			Abdul-Rahman ibn Abi Bakr died in 666 as mentioned here so how could he be alive when Muawiya I appointed his son Yazid as successor to the caliphate. Because Muawiyah died either on April 29 or May 1, 680 which is way later than Abdul-Rahman ibn Abi Bakr's death. So actually, nothing did occur between them.

			== Untitled ==
			It is a known fact that he is indeed buried in Mecca, his grave is in Ma'ala cemetery. No citation is needed for this. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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I deleted a portion of this page because it contained factually disputed information published. This is an encyclopedia, not a forum for publishing internal religious sectarian issues.

Then edit it to become neurtral, dont delete, read WP:POV and WP:NPOV. --Striver 11:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Abu Bakr married to Al-Harith's widow Umm Ruman on 601. Umm Ruman gave birth to Aisha and Abdul Rehman. Aisha bint Abu Bakr whom Umm Ruman had give birth, was engaged to Muhammad on 620 after Khatija's death. How can Aisa still be 6 years old then after Abu Bakr and Umm Ruman had been married for about 19 years by then. It can only be possible if Umm Ruman gave birth to Aisha 13 years after her marriage with Abu Bakr. Besides the age of Aisa when she married is higly disputed since the only narration that suggests Aysha's age when she married was by Hisham who was very old and his memory was week. His own students Malik and others criticised his naration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baadhshah (talk • contribs) 17:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Abdul-Rahman's Siblings

The article currently states that Abdul-Rahman and three of his siblings (Asma, Abdullah and Aisha) were all born by 609. Although a source is provided, I find this statement very doubtful. It has been discussed ad nauseum on the talk pages about Aisha that her accepted date of birth was 613-614, and all suggestions that she was born earlier derive from unscholarly sources, O.R. or wishful thinking. This page is about Abdul-Rahman, so his sister's date of birth is of minimal relevance here. I suspect it was inserted by someone who had an axe to grind about Aisha and hoped the misinformation would pass unnoticed if it was slipped into her brother's page. There is a similar problem with the article about Asma, where it is mentioned that she was "ten years older than Aisha". This is of minimal relevance to Asma's life-story: the only purpose seems to be to hint that Aisha was born much earlier than 614. If Aisha was indeed born in 609 or earlier, we need a much stronger source than Masud-ul-Hasan!Petra MacDonald 10:45, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Conflicting statements

Abdul-Rahman ibn Abi Bakr died in 666 as mentioned here so how could he be alive when Muawiya I appointed his son Yazid as successor to the caliphate. Because Muawiyah died either on April 29 or May 1, 680 which is way later than Abdul-Rahman ibn Abi Bakr's death. So actually, nothing did occur between them.

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It is a known fact that he is indeed buried in Mecca, his grave is in Ma'ala cemetery. No citation is needed for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.101.171.36 (talk) 18:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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