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Thank you for the welcome and for the tips, Essjay. I am on a learning curve regarding how to publish stuff here, but I'm making some progress. I've figured out already at least one of the ways to sign a new page, such as ] 15:26, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
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You cannot because it doesn't conform to Misplaced Pages style or because you don't like the wording! - ] | ] 22:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


== Explanation to Mr. Mabel ==


I wasn't trying to reword the document. I was trying to correct a link that was incorrect. There was no Misplaced Pages page about the Viaux coup attempt the link alluded to. Instead, the link was pointing to the Rene Schneider page, where the Viaux coup attempt was also mentioned, with a material to an existing Misplaced Pages page about Robert Viaux.


== Precious anniversary ==
What I didn't know how to do, and what you have now done in correcting my misguided attempt at correction, is to make the Wikilink name, that points to a different page, not appear in the reading text of the page. You then later explained to me what you had done, which I didn't know how to do, in the following manner:
{{User QAIbox/auto|years=Nine}} --] (]) 08:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


:Thank you so much Gerda! Nine years is quite some time. ] ] 15:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
"Wikilinks have two parts: the display text and the target. When the
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== Lee Harvey Oswald ==
Thanks for the explanation. Now I know how to do it, and hopefully, someone else reading this, will not fall into the same wiki "trap."] 12:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


I think I fixed the problems! I'm sorry that before I accidentally cut part off. I added a reference and link to The Harold Weisberg Archive at Hood College, so I think that should be official! ] (]) 01:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
== Greek ==
:{{u|Gale Peterson}},
:Thank you for the note (and the congrats above also). I now finally understand what this is referring to. Sorry, I was busy learning how to archive everything that was above the first 2022 item above this morning, and it took me a while to figure it out.


:Yes, you fixed the broken link to a PDF file. But the first ref is still to the private web site of the guy, and this second file I am still reviewing the contents of it, to see if it can stand as a verifiable ref on WP. Thank you, ] ] 18:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. No, unfortunately I do not read or write Classical Greek, but I am willing to learn. Happy new year! —] | ] 20:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
::I just added another reference from the National Archives Catalog, Records of the John F. Kennedy Assassination Collection: Key Persons Files, kept at the U.S. Government site https://catalog.archives.gov. It says Thornley was questioned by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) the day after Oswald was killed and just a few days after Kennedy was shot. It says Oswald and Thornley served in the Marines together. In the interview, Thornley said he had written a novel based on Oswald, but doesn't say the name of the novel. But the others source I put say the novel's name. I hope this passes muster! ] (]) 21:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
:::Well, you placed this additional ref at the end of the next sentence, not where it should be, which is at the end of the two sentences you added about Thornley. Why the mention about "Discordianism" (whatever that is) needs to be on Oswad's page beats me.
:::But beyond that, after reading all the material you added and reading more about the guy on his own page, my own opinion has not changed. In my view this guy is a completely non-important, a rather marginal character in the Oswald story, that only serves to add trivial facts and make the whole issue more full of sensationalism and of irrelevant facts. In my view, this rather marginal, non-important character just used the fact that he met Oswald once by chance to try and make a name and a career for himself. I myself would rather remove all mention of him completely from the Oswald page. But I don't want to make a big fuss about something that is little, trivial, and not really important. I would at least remove the mention of "Discordianism" (whatever that is) from the Oswald page, since it does not have anything that relates to Oswald. But I won't do anything for the time being. The whole matter is in my view, again, just a completely marginal and unimportant distraction from the real important matters regarding Oswald and the Kennedy assassination. But then again, at least half of that page consists just of this kind of sensationalist and distracting, marginal and non-important petty gossip about other unimportant characters such as this one. Just so people reading about the matter get distracted and confused by unimportant, marginal bullshit. Oh well, enough of this crap for me, I am just stating my own opinion here in my own page, and that's the end of this matter for me. Thank you, ] ] 22:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)


== Scholem == == bar/ben yochai ==
I honestly don't remember what my source was for the information about Scholem, most likely I translated bits from the Hebrew language Misplaced Pages. I don't speak Italian. I may also have opened a book, but I can't think what book it was (this was before Misplaced Pages started putting such an emphasis on sourcing). And I added a tidbit of information from my own knowledge, the fact that he was married to Fania (the two were neighbors of my grandparents). --] 05:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


Wonder if you'd care to weigh in , which in my opinion is a question of whether to value academic sources over religious orthodoxy. ] (]) 04:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
:Take another look at the history of the article, you might find it enlightening. You can track the evolution of the article by clicking on the dates in the history page. Yes, I did create the article in December 2004, but I wrote nothing about the division into three stages. This is what I wrote: A few weeks later, another user, ], who apparantly speaks Italian but not the best English, added a lump of text to the bottom, which he/she had translated from the Italian Misplaced Pages: . I then revisted the article and attempted to touch up the English and blend the new text into the old, adding the comment ''some corrections, still needs major cleanup and fact checking'': . By tracking the article from "diff" to "diff" (from one edit to the next) it should be possible for you to identify which editor is reponsible for precisely which sentences in the text. You can ask ] about the Italian. --] 15:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


== Thanks for your help == == DRN ==


Hi, I opened a DRN for Book of Daniel here
I appreciate your support; I was already at wits end. Having already reverted it twice and seeing that my words are falling on deaf ears, I decided to call it quits until tomorrow. The reverter seems to be knowledgeable but his understanding of the differences between Litvaks and Hasidim and all the forms of Orthodoxy is probably less then my understanding of the differences between Sunni and Shiites.


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Sometimes it’s lonely out there when you edit and it’s good to know that there are people who will stick up for someone when they're right. ] 18:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


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:You're welcome. Your edits on that case were right on the mark, and I was happy to see someone with the guts to go there and do it. I was still studying that entry (and still am, as a matter of fact), so I wasn't at the state where I thought I could change anything there yet. But when I saw your changes they made absolute sense, and then the guy compounded it by reverting everything without even considering, as you explained. But I saw right throught where that guy was coming from. Actually, any time. I am Jewish history buff, but especially 16th through 16th centuries, so if you need help with anything related to it or to Jewish History in general, please feel free to ask for my help. I will look into it, and even research it if needed. On the technical side of Misplaced Pages I still have a lot to learn, too. But I'd be glad to look into stuff, or help, if you need. Regards, ] 15:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)


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== Always precious ==
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Ten years ago, ] were found precious. That's what you are, always. --] (]) 07:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
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== Hero of Alexander ==
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In 1st century CE, Hellenistic engineer, describes a matter as made up of particles with spaces between them.Even if his account denies the fundamental tenet of classical atomism, it does not change the fact of intrinsic properties like shapes.I have corrected it,can i now upload it ] (]) 20:11, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Hopefully, he'll soon be out of Misplaced Pages.
:No, you can't. This is not sourced by any ], and it looks like ]. The links and the language still has errors, and the connection between shapes and atomism makes no sense at all. As it is it just looks like garbage to me. Sorry. Thank you, ] ] 21:12, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
::Ok ] (]) 06:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


== why rollback my good faith edit to embellish the context of the page? thank you ==
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curious as to wikipedia policy here ] (]) 03:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
] 18:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:What, the regime of Fulgencio Batista was not a dictatorship? You were removing stable and important information with a clear POV in mind. That is why I reverted it. In any case, you can always discuss your proposed edits at the article's talk page, not here. Thank you, ] ] 13:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)


== Strauss and Aesopian Language ==
:Thanks for the prompt action. The vandal is now gone! I'll learn for the future from your edit here, and I also just learned how to add a nice smiley! ] Thanks for teaching me these two useful tools. Regards,
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I wanted to make the argument that Strauss and Aesopian language does have some link.
Glad to help.


To quote from the Strauss article
We'll defeat trolls and vandals for ever !


"In the late 1930s, Strauss called for the first time for a reconsideration of the "distinction between exoteric (or public) and esoteric (or secret) teaching". In 1952 he published Persecution and the Art of Writing, arguing that serious writers write esoterically, that is, with multiple or layered meanings, often disguised within irony or paradox, obscure references, even deliberate self-contradiction. Esoteric writing serves several purposes: protecting the philosopher from the retribution of the regime, and protecting the regime from the corrosion of philosophy; it attracts the right kind of reader and repels the wrong kind; and ferreting out the interior message is in itself an exercise of philosophic reasoning."
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I'd like to highlight the section that says "Esoteric writing serves several purposes: protecting the philosopher from the retribution of the regime."
] 18:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Also in the Strauss article: "Some critics of Strauss have accused him of being elitist, illiberal and anti-democratic. Journalists such as Seymour Hersh have opined that Strauss endorsed noble lies, "myths used by political leaders seeking to maintain a cohesive society"." Although noble lies can be seen as somewhat opposite of Aesopian language (as Aesopian language refers to an underground movement using language to deceive a regime and noble lies refer to a regime deceiving its people)
== User names and authenticity ==
Hi Yuval,


To me, these quotes relate to Aesopian language as seen with the first sentence in the relevant article:
Welcome to WP! FWIW, I don't find your question naive at all. In fact it is very interesting and I definitely cannot address it with any authority or confidence. If I may though, I'd like to spontaneously share with you some of my personal observations regarding the matter:
* I sign with my personal, actual name for multiple reasons (in no particular order):
:# <u>Relational authenticity:</u> I think it adds authenticity to my comments on talk pages. At least this is often my own feeling when dealing with other users who happen to use what appears to be their real names as opposed to a fabricated sign-on. For instance, I am currently engaging in a somewhat difficult discussion with another user whose sign-on is not his real full name; however, during our discussion, he has signed his appends using his full name; thus, I now address him by his first name and feel that I am able to engage him with more care and respect. I guess, in other words, a real name helps me engage others more authentically, as people capable of relations, perhaps as a Buber "thou." I hope for others my use of my actual name does the same.
:# <u>Cautions civility on my part:</u> It forces me to stick to reality. Occasionally, my thoughts show poor judgment and I'm tempted to respond to another in anger or with sarcasm or in other ways lacking maturity or wisdom. By using my real name, it reminds me to respond in a manner consistent with the actual persona with which I desire others to perceive me. Perhaps put another way, using my actual name forces me to be more vulnerable and thus more thoughtful than a fabricated name does.
:# <u>Neutral long-term identifier:</u> My actual name is a very consistent way to reflect who I am over time. In a certain sense, my name -- from birth to death -- is a simple handle for referring to myself. There have been times when I've wanted to choose a sign-on name that reflects something that is important to me at the time; so, for instance, on another Internet system I use the sign-on, "ekayano_ayam," which is a Pali term referring to Buddhist mindfulness meditation as being a direct path to the extinction of suffering. But I've come to the view that such fabricated names are limiting and confusing. For instance, in this particular case, "ekayano_ayam" is limiting because my on-going interests are not always focussed so strongly on mindfulness, e.g., other times I'd like to focus on the issue of compassion or domestic violence or American politics, etc. In addition, it can be confusing to others, such as my parents (who are increasingly tolerant of my Buddhist pursuits but who have no ways of relating to a name such as "ekayano_ayam") or Christian and Jewish neighbors (who now send e-mail to my ekayano_ayam id about gardening and community resources, etc.). To give another example, someone else who is currently highly engaged on the WP Buddhism articles has a fabricated user name suggesting risk taking and seems to be an epithet used in Hollywood action movies; not infrequently, his name causes me to wonder about his commitment to Buddhism and thus, more applicably, the depth of his understanding of Buddhist issues.
:# <u>WP Buddhism norm:</u> I think the norm for WP Buddhist contributors actually is to sign with real names. For instance, the person who first welcomed me to WP and who provided much-appreciated mentoring support for me early on is ]. In addition, a person for whom I have enormous respect in regards to his scholarship is ]. Other very important recent contributors include ], Clay Collier (who signs his talk posts with his real name although his sign-in name is ]), Rudy Harderwijk (whose sign-in name is ] although his user page identifies his whole name and he signs his posts "rudy"), Dr. Tony Page (user id: ] but his user page provides his real name -- again, like you seem inclined to do) and ]. So perhaps there are WP subcultural influences regarding this matter as well.


"Aesopian language is a means of communication with the intent to convey a concealed meaning to informed members of a conspiracy or underground movement, whilst simultaneously maintaining the guise of an innocent meaning to outsiders."
* Conversely, I sometimes don't use my personal, actual name -- that is, I don't sign on, I simply use an IP address of whatever computer I am on in the followign situations:
:# <u>Safety:</u> For reasons of personal safety and the safety of my family, I don't want some former clients to find me. Thus, I use my actual name but I've tried to keep my home state obscure. (And I know that each of the states I've lived in has multiple people with my actual name.) The reason is that, over the years (as a social worker involved in domestic violence and child abuse cases), I have often had to testify, provide assistance and engage in other activities that worked against the intense personal self interests of some interpersonally violent and mentally unstable persons. One person met me at his driveway with a rifle. One set his dog on me. Another threatened to track me down and kill me and my family. Another repeatedly said that if he knew my address he would make false child abuse reports against me. Others have sexually abused their own kin.... Etc. And, of course, it's one thing for them to be a threat to me (which is part of the job); it is a completely different thing for them to be a threat to my family. So, when people are concerned about personal safety matters (real or perceived), I can understand that they choose not to present their actual identity.
:# <u>Separating edits from my user page content:</u> At times I don't want my user page's information to cloud reasons for my edit. So, for instance, in the past, I've made minor changes to articles related to child development and I didn't want my user page's overwhelming emphasis on Buddhism to alienate anyone who might want to discuss a change I've made. In addition, I recently offered some possible citation material on the page of a politically sensitive topic; I didn't want anyone who might see my offer as part and parcel with political views that then might be conflated with Buddhism, etc. Thus, to distance my Buddhist interests from highly unrelated Buddhist topics, I've avoided using my actual name (which here is correlated with a heavily Buddhist user page).
:# <u>Safeguard other personal matters:</u> I've made edits (essentially wrote) the current article ] (CPS) based on my experience in such work. However, after I made the edits, I realize I didn't ask my supervisors for permission to do so. (As it is, my CPS workplace never stipulated that I needed to seek such permission; however, I would deeply regret if I unintentionally wrote anything that my supervisors would assess as reflecting poorly on our agency or institution -- although, of course, on WP I feel compelled to maintain neutrality in all edits). So, in my naivete, to distance my agency from complicity in anythign I personally wrote (again, not to be deceptive about my intentions but out of respect for others' work), I decided to delete my entire contribution and then reintroduce from an anonymous IP (now, not so anonymous: ]). I then had additional concerns about this (e.g., that such would be seen as duplicitous on my part) so I then deleted my entire contribution (from the IP address this time) again. Someone else however decided to reintroduce the majority of my edits, deleting a few tangential comments I had made in the article that the subsequent editor felt might have reflected POV. While I think this turned out okay, it underlines for me that I initially was highly ambivalent about using my real name since such might have unintentional consequences for the institution and its people with whom I work.
Does this make sense? Perhaps too much information? I hope something in this resonates for you. If you have additional thoughts, I'd be interested in hearing them. And, once again, welcome to WP. I wish you the best, ] (]) 17:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


If you think it's appropriate, you can revert the changes to the See Also section under Leo Strauss where I linked to the Aesopian Language Article. I'm willing to defer to you as an arbiter in this case, as you have more experience than I do.
:Larry,


Good luck in your endeavors! ] (]) 12:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you very much for your very thoughtful reply. Everything you say makes very good sense in both directions, both for giving authenticity personal signs in certain situations, or for eschewing them in others. I had not thought about all these different scenarios you describe, and in that sense yes, my question did have to it a certain natural naivete. Since I don't have either the professional or the spiritual issues you describe (I am a simple IT support analyst in real life), I guess for me personally, I don't see a problem keeping my WP persona the way it is. Thanks again for making aware of all types of considerations every person must make as s/he begins to engage more fully with this new ethos called WP. Best regards,
:OK,I think I understand you now. Do whatever you think is right. I don't have much interest or knowledge on the issue in any case at this point. Thank you, ] ] 16:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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== Popkin's book ==
::Yuval - Thank you too for your kindness and thoughtfulness. Best wishes, ] (]) 17:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


As you suggested, I am looking at ''The History of Skepticism: From Erasmus to Spinoza'' by Richard H. Popkin. I also read a review of the book by Ezequiel de Olaso, one of his student. It is clearly religiously oriented. The word "God" occurs about 320 times and the book has about 380 pages. It is natural that it is religiously oriented, because it covers the late medieval and renaissance periods and Popkin was himself a scolar in religions. To get other view points, as required by Misplaced Pages neutrality principle, I am also looking at other books about the history of skepticism, including a book by Chatalian and a book by Floridi, which are less religiously oriented. I hope you do not fear that this might be {{tq|philosophical forays into post-modern jargon-filled (and name-dropping of any idiot that has ever published anything as a "famous philospher") philosophical streams of consciousness}} and that I will only do my {{tq|own synthesis of these post-modern, off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy.}} It is not nice to make this kinds of assumptions about other wikipedians. I don't deserve that. Please instead discuss intelligently the sources with me, which is possible, because I provide references. Every thing I contribute is well sourced and can be verified. I appreciate that your inclination toward religiously oriented sources might give you the impression that other sources are {{tq|off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy}} from {{tq|'''"'''famous philosophers'''"'''}} (in quotation marks), but actually I consider valid notorious sources and I think the article (and you personally) would benefit from a better consideration of these sources. It hurts me that you do not have a nicer attitude. ] (]) 06:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
== Masoretic text ==
:There is nothing religious about Popkin's book. The only reason he deals with the god question is because in the early modern period which he is dealing with, that was the main target of skepticism, to begin with. It was to be able to eliminate the hurdle that religion put up in the way of philosophy. I'd prefer you get off my page with your own musings, enough I have to suffer them on the Epistemology page. Thank you, ] ] 13:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
::The main point I needed to say in your talk page is please stop being rude. The rest of it was just the context. If you continue to be rude and I cannot take care of this in your talk page, I will go through some third party process. It's up to you. ] (]) 20:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
:::I am not being rude in any way. I am expressing precisely what I think about your long musings, which for me rarely say something I feel is worth wasting my time on. Thank you for not bothering me here again. ] ] 21:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


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Thanks for your encouragement! My issue with the article as it was was that it was supposed to be about the Masoretic text, but in fact it was actually mostly about 50% (pretty randomly selected) of the old JE article on Masorah -- which meant, it seemed to me, (1) it wasn't really telling the story of the Masoretic Text itself very well at all; and (2) it was very confusing, promising one thing, then talking about another; and randomly missing out about half of the JE article to boot made it even harder to follow. So I thought I'd see what I could do.


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The most useful source I've found for the detail on what texts there seem to have been in use at the different times is the article I've cited by Menachem Cohen. There's also another article by him , covering much of the same ground at a slightly more introductory level, focussed on addressing why the idea of a "]" may not hold much water.
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The broad time divisions pre-Akiva, post-Akiva and Masoretic seem to be pretty traditional. The Dead Sea Scrolls have perhaps shown that a lot more of the versions in circulation seem to have been rather closer to what became the MT than was perhaps imagined in the C19; but they've also confirmed that there definitely were also Hebrew texts at that time close to the Septuagint and the Samaritan Pentatech version. Anyway, the broad picture seems to be supported in the summaries given by the Introduction to the New English Bible in the link I quoted, and by the NIV translation group .
Beyond that, some of the specific material on the Dead Sea Scrolls I've lifted from the talk page, some of the text about the Masoretes from the ] page, and some of the text about Masoretic period from further down the MT page itself (it's originally from the public domain JE article). So someone could probably do a ]-style analysis on where different bits have come from!


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(BTW the Haas reference looks suspect: she doesn't seem to be a great authority, and bits of the claim though not 100% wrong, aren't 100% right either, at least from more authoritative stuff I've found through Google).


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On the Masorah itself, the JE article is pretty good, though the structure I find makes it harder to read than it should be. There's also a useful article in the New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia (now also out of copyright), and Google Books finds a good page in the "Text and MSS of the OT" article of the International Standard Bible Encylopedia (1994) -- which makes me wish the page before, on the transmission and collation of the Masoretic text, was there to consult as well! The Schaff-Herzog article "Text of the Old Testament" has some material too.
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:What is "vio"? I did not revert it three times, the other person is the one who did it. Look at the history of the page: I was the to first suggest the discussion page, not him. He refused to go there! I completely disagree with this unjust, unjustified, and wrong decision.
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Like I said, if you think this block is not just you can ask for review. ] 17:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


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::I have not refused to engage in discussion. I merely ask that you be civil during that discussion. If you are willing to refrain from further rude remarks, I have no objection to you being unblocked. ] <small>(])</small> 17:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Since Gamaliel does not object to unblocking, if you agree to reach a consensus on the talk page before further editing to the page I will be happy to unblock. ] 17:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

:Who are you? This is kind of ridiculous: I was the first one to reasonably suggest we go to the discussion page, whereas he just went and blocked me! Incredible.
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::Perhaps I am reading this sentence incorrectly, but you seem to be saying I am the one who blocked you. I did not block you, nor did I even request that you be blocked. ] <small>(])</small> 17:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I am an admin. I am the one who blocked you, not Gamaliel. While you did suggest going to the discussion page, you kept on reverting. If you simply agree to reach a consensus(and respect that consensus) before editing the page further then I can unblock you. I expect this from both of you by the way, not just you Warshy. ] 17:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

:You must be some kind of bad, biased admin. For example, I cannot even edit the unblock reason page as you state. I did not revert his changes 4 times as you say. He started this reversion streak by reverting a formula I had already agreed to since yesterday, by user Octavian history. Again, I was the one who first suggested going to the discussion page. He not only REFUSED to do that, he went straight to you. Unbelievable.
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::I did not go to anyone. I never requested that you be blocked. Please stop making things up. ] <small>(])</small> 18:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I tried to come to an agreement. But since you won't agree to the alternative you can just wait out the 6 hours. You put the <nowiki>{{unblock|reason}}</nowiki> template on this page and it will be automatically placed in a category for admins to find you. I am not being biased, I am really not even familiar with the subject or either of you editors, frankly I think it rather poor taste to make that assumption. ] 18:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

== ] edits ==

You recently undid to ] with the claim "''the supposed reference work is not in the bibliography and is never correctly refer''". It is true that the reference I cited is not in the "]" because it was in the "References" section, immediately above that.

I have now combined (and re-sorted) the two sections into one, and am restoring my edit. If you have an issue with this, can you please discuss it with me ''first'' so we don't get into a 3RR situation? Thanks --] <sup>]</sup> 23:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes. I have replied in your talk page, even before I saw this message here. This is a circular argument: the three notes refer to the reference section, where all you have is a supposed reference. But it is not a complete reference to a work that can be identified. I asked for you to poimt me to the full reference to this work in my question in your page. Thanks,
:]] 12:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Vandal user 70.233.170.125 ==

It looks like there have been two users from closely related IP addresses vandalizing the pages: User:70.233.170.125 and User:70.233.194.224. Unfortunately, since I'm not an administrator, I can't block them. However, both were blocked by an administrator earlier today. ] (]) 03:29, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

== I liked your comment ==
I liked your comments on the discussion on the article entitled ]. Some want to delete my user page, just because it discusses some groups that don't accept the talmud as divine.--] (]) 19:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== ] / ] / ] ==

I've left a question at the AWB check page. You need the built-in "rollback" tool to use ]. I'd be happy to enable it on your account, but you need remember to only use rollback in cases of clear-cut and obvious vandalism (see ]). Fair enough? –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 19:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:Both huggle and AWB are separate programs and won't effect your browser or your popups, you'll want to leave that enabled. Please do be ''extremely careful'' when using huggle, it's a ridiculously powerful tool that can cause damage to the project in turns of turning off new contributors. If you're looking to tend to a limited set of articles with regards to vandalism, huggle isn't quite what you're looking for. I can't overstate enough that it must only be used for obvious vandalism only. See below for more. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 20:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:To answer your question, yes you can go ahead and download AWB now and see if it will help you with your tasks. As for which one to use first, I think AWB is closer in terms of what you are looking for. Huggle is a single-purpose tool to combat vandalism. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 20:08, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

===Your request for rollback===
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After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:
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If you no longer want rollback, then contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some information on how to use rollback, you can view ]. I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, just leave me a message {{#ifeq:|<!-- nothing -->|<!-- also nothing -->|on ]}} if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Happy editing! –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 20:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)<!-- Template:Rfr/granted -->

===questions===
::I'm still a little confused, so two questions again: a) You now added Twinkle into the mix, and I had forgotten it. I think when I tried to toy with Twinkle in the past it was only for other browsers, not IE, and so I left it alone. Is it now compatible with XP, and is it better than AWB or Huggle in your view? And, b) You said you've now enabled Rollback in my configuration. Does that mean I have Rollback even without installing Huggle, or in order to use Rollback I've still got to install Huggle before? In other words: Is Rollback an independent feature (How do I use it as such?), or is a Huggle feature? Thanks again. Sorry for so many doubts/questions.--]] 20:13, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:::{{ec}} No worries about the doubts, and questions, it shows me you're proceeding cautiously with the new toys. Twinkle still does not work on IE, but that's ok because ] is still much better than IE. If you can switch (i.e. there's no restrictions on your PC), I'd highly reccomend it as Firefox and Misplaced Pages go together like bread and butter. And then you can use Twinkle, which is another great tool that adds functionality over-and-above these other ones we're discussing. OK, enough proselytizing. Native rollback, which I've just granted you, allows you to rollback a user's edit(s) by clicking the "rollback" button you will now see in your watchlist, recent changes, and on history and contribution pages. Be mindful especially when looking at your watchlist, as misclicks could cause you to revert good edits. If you'd prefer hiding these rollback links from your wtachlist, ]. Huggle utilizes rollback by watching recent changes and highlighting edits it thinks might be unconstructive. It's really quite impressive, to be honest, but it scares me sometimes =) –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 20:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:After ec: I've just noticed you used rollback for the first time, on yourself ;> (that's a permitted use, by the way) –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 20:22, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::OK, let me start again trying to summarize where I am and see what doubts I still have. If you can explain to me maybe in simple terms what the difference is between Rollback and the native "Undo" wiki feature, that would help. I've just seen on myself, I think, inadvertently of course, how powerfull the Rollback tool can be, and so that is powerfull enough for the time being, and I don't think I will need Huggle at the moment. But Rollback only rolls back one edit at a time, correct? You can't roll back 2 or 3 edits that a vandal did on a page in sequence, correct? So basically, what is the 'basic' (sorry) difference between Undo and Rollback? Hope it sticks this time, since in my last edit, after spending 10 minutes writing, it just said there was a conflict between my edit and someone's else edit on the same page, and I lost it...--]] 20:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
OK, don't worry. Through the "edit conflict" little link you put above I was able to go to the "revert" page, and I am now reading myself about the differences between the Undo and the Rollback. I still don't understand all the features of the Rollback, but I hope I'll be slowly getting there. Again, that's enough editing feautures/power for me for the time being, and until I digest the Rollback I am not going to advance to AWB or to Huggle yet. Thanks again for all you help. You are quick on this stuff and also good on guessing some user's next move/question!...--]] 21:27, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:No problem. Sorry, I got distracted and didn't notice your follow up question on my watchlist. Yes, if the same vandal makes a few bad edits in a row, rollback will revert them all. If several different vandals make edit in concert, you can always look at the revision history of an article, click an old revision, then "edit", "save", and you will have moved the article back. Just be careful of going over good edits in this manner. –<font face="verdana" color="black">]</font> ] 21:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

==Karaite Judaism links==
Hi, I was wondering why you deleted the links (website and blog) I anonymously added to the ] webpage. I'm familiar with the people who created the websites in question, and they seem legit and informative to me. Please let me know. --] (]) 20:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
:Hello,
:I don't recall deleting any links on that page? There must be a mistake/confusion here? I don't even really care about the many links all sorts of people keep putting there, as I have very rarely consulted them so far. Regards, --]] 16:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
OK, I just looked at the revision history of that page and you were the person who had made the edit that deleted the links (and also corrected a couple transliterations and pronunciations). I've put the links back, but I didn't know what you did about one of the pronunciations so I reverted it to the old version. IMO that pronunciation is not a big deal, but you might want to look at the page ]. --] (]) 18:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

== Just a note ==

It's not wise to make those sort of comments. I personally don't mind roughhouse, insinuations, sneers, or whatever, and have a clean record of not whingeing about the stray bitching on wikipedia. Administrators are overloaded with whiners, many using the remonstrative forums for tactical ends, without my adding to the burden. My only point would be that, by inserting that conspiracy insinuation and ] violation there, your edit threatened to sink a legitimate request to get Nina to reply with precision to a simple request she has, in my view, consistently ignored.
I myself wish to avoid the air of suspicion that 'we' are out to get Nina, or that Nina has, with tacit support, taken up the mission whose leading proselytiser, Smatprt, failed to complete, on behalf of de Vereans. That is why I have stayed clear of polemics, avoided overloading the threads, and tried to stick to relevant issues. Please don't give the impression of being a cheer-leader for her, or anyone else. Play to the gallery and one ends up in the pits.] (]) 00:49, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

:I've read and studied your publishing on Misplaced Pages in silence, in depth, for a long time now to be able to ever even suspect any good faith on your part. No, you are a master of polemics on any area you decide for some reason to engage. I sometimes suspect you really are in it not for any deeply held convictions, but just for the kicks of the polemics itself. And because you are a great admirer of your own prose and of your own wit. But what is this here? You now come to my page to threaten me already with violations, with 'conspiracy' (again, what a surprise, no?), and of ending who knows where... I said plain and clear what I think of you and of the role you played on getting a guy you disagreed with and wanted banned from Misplaced Pages banned from Misplaced Pages. Your unexpected and unwelcome visit here above is very befitting of everything I have thought and said about you from reading very carefully a lot of your output here in the last year. Be sure that I am watching you, and have been for quite some time. But also, please keep clear of my page with your veiled threats and admonitions. Keep it for your own friends. I certainly don't want to count you among mine... You are mostly unwelcome here in the future. And have a nice life too. ]] 03:05, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
::<blockquote>You now come to my page to threaten me already with violations, with 'conspiracy' (again, what a surprise, no?), and of ending who knows where... </blockquote>
::Actually, you haven't read long and carefully. I did not post a threat, or, as you put it, 'threaten (you) with violations'. It is a a matter of the elementary construal of the unambiguous sense of the English language to infer, when I write:-
::<blockquote>My only point would be that, by inserting that conspiracy insinuation and ] violation there.</blockquote>
::that the point being made is not a threat, but merely a matter of registering the fact that you wrote effectively that (a) I do not edit in good faith, and (b)that I was part of a conspiracy. I.e. I was saying the opposite of the meaning you read into my remarks. You're not obliged to study my boring archives or watch me. Rest assured, however, that I never threaten people, and I exempt your own injurious comments from the sanctions they are normally met with, as a matter of principle. ] (]) 03:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not responding to you anymore. But it has to be made completely patent and clear that I never mentioned or even hinted anything remotely connected to a 'conspiracy.' You inserted the term here, because that is always an integral part of your tactics. It must be already unconscious even. I said plain and simply that you wanted a guy banned, you worked for that end specifically, and you achieved it. ]] 03:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

== And another ==

Would you mind clarifying your remarks, as well as your remark in your edit summary "he even gave himself a barnstar from this, but he points to the unedited first version, of course..."? Exactly who are you talking about, me or Nishidani? Either way, I think it would be wise to remove them. ] (]) 00:57, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:Uh, as a joke I put a pseudobarnstar for being reputed a devious strategist on my page citing Warshy's remarks in a diff. Contextually his edit summary refers to this, so to me. As to the point about the unedited first version, well, people get hypersuspicious around here, and Warshy apparently read some deep meaning into the fact that, in citing him, I cited his uncorrected post. I did so because I always cite the first statement, and not the second if it merely corrects trivial things like spelling.] (]) 01:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

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== Ferdinand de Saussure ==

Thanks for ]. I'm looking forward to digging up some research on this in June. Saussure was the basis of an Intro to Lit Theory class I took, so I'll check in the old course text for any editors' commentary. See you then! ] (]) 05:17, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

== Contact Info ==

I checked for your email contact info, but did not see it. Please place it here.] (]) 21:52, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

:Hello Rogala,
:Thanks for replying. When you are on this page and you look at the WP blue menu on the left, one of the options should be: "E-mail this user." I see it right now as I type this. When you click on that link you get a message screen where you can send a private message to my email address. I hope you can see it now? I would have used it on your page, but you did not check the option in your profile's preferences by providing also there (where noone sees it) you own private email address, as I have done. I only recently learned about this WP feature and I find it useful sometimes. I hope you can send me a private message so I can respond. Looking forward to it. Regards, ]] 14:47, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
:Note: The blue WP menu I am talking about is to the left at the top of the page. When I am editing this page I can see it.

::I do not think I can see it since I have not registered an email with Misplaced Pages. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

I think you are correct regarding your own email address, which you apparently did not register with WP in your own profile's preferences. However, my email address is registered with WP, and therefore, when you are editing THIS page (my talk page) or at the top of the page, to the left, you should see the option/link: "E-mail this user." If you click on this option you should be able to send a message to my email address, to which I would respond if you also provided me with an address to respond to. However, it may also be that you cannot see the option I am referring to because you have not registered your own email address. If this is the case (I am not familiar with this scenario; it is news to me), then I suggest we just forego the whole exercise, as it is becoming too involved. Be well and success in your own endeavors, ]] 19:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

== Borders Books Liquidation ==

Thanks for helping me with the syntax and run-on. It was a bit too late for me to be working. The original poster had placed the final closing date as a precedent sentence to the proposed start date. I'm new to wiki and was not sure if I was over stepping my boundaries by placing the two in proper sequence for flow. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:No problem, Briscoecain. That's what I believe we, volunteer editors, are here for. Thanks for thanking me, you don't get a lot of it around here. As for being new to wiki, welcome and welcome to the club. Even though I have been editing here for more than 5 years (I really can't believe that...), I still feel like a novice here. Just to get that link/cite to the WashPost all correct and formatted properly I had to struggle, and I couldn't actually get it done without some other volunteer's help. That is how it should work around here, I believe, for us volunteers, who are not "professional wiki editors," and who try to do our best with whatever knowledge we possess and whatever wiki technical knowledge/experience we were able to amass in the meantime. And I say that, because I have also seen that quite a bit around here - "professional wiki editors," who are complete wiki-hackers and can do anything around here. They also have all the connections inside to accomplish whatever they want. I, on the other hand, still struggle with the technology every day... Welcome again and enjoy your editing! ]] 18:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

== Response to Message ==

Yes, I still live in the same apartment in Ypsi. I'm in the phone book. I'm on Facebook. In addition to uploading pictures to Wikimedia I've lately been uploading to Panoramio for inclusion in Google Earth and have over 600 such pictures. I consider myself retired but may have to return to work eventually. ] (]) 20:09, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

== Question about Sabbatai Zevi article ==

Hi, warshy -

This one detail happened to catch my eye in the ] article: "At this point also his followers appeared to start using for him the title of AMIRAH, which is a Hebrew acronym for the phrase "Our Lord and King, his Majesty be exalted" (Adoneinu Malkeinu Yarum Hodo)." Going back through the history, it looks like you added or at least edited this particular sentence (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Sabbatai_Zevi&oldid=345339103). I'm just curious. Where did that detail come from? From one of the books cited on the page?

Thanks,
--] (]) 17:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

:Hi Brasswatchman. Thanks for the interest, and nice detective/decyphering work on the WP records to find out who did what when. It is no simple task, in my view. You must be really interested in the subject? As to your specific question I answered it in the artile talk page. Regards,. ]] 19:11, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

:: Hey, warshy - So I see. Thanks again for the answer! And yes, I am interested in the subject. The history search wasn't that hard, though -- there's a script linked on the history page that more or less makes it easy. Again, appreciate it. --] (]) 23:24, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello again Brasswatchman. I think you're right when you say that the history of the page "more or less makes it easy." The important for me here is the operative qualifier "more or less." Some days the task seems easier than on other days... :D) Some days and on some pages, it can look pretty daunting to me when I first open it, and start going through line by line. Thanks for the interest again. When I get to it I will try to start adding more specific references to the page. Thanks again, ]] 16:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

== Conspiracy theory article comment ==

Just to let you known I have used your glowing appraisal of my edits and references in my defense in the ] matter on the Administrators' noticeboard. Hope you don't mind--] (]) 14:04, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
:Hi BruceGrubb,
:No, I don't mind. That was actually the purpose of my trying to chime in there. I have been following your efforts there for quite a while and in fact I had posted some notes on the talk page a while ago where I said you guys were in fact very courageous in tackling such an issue, and where I expressed some skepticism as to the degree you might succeed or not. I don't know if you remember. In any case, your latest postings using reliable sources were really very good and solid, and a solid base upon which to base the changes you have made. I support them wholeheartedly. In fact, I was wondering if you had gotten into some problem for having to revert too many times, and when I posted that comment I did not know you had been banned. It will still be an uphill battle, and I will try to help as much as I can. Unfortunately, I am not strong on direct reliable sources that can help, since I don't read too much on the subject out of Misplaced Pages, but I definitely have my own thoughts on the subject, product of my concerns with the issue for a couple of decades... In any case, I commend your work on sources again, I hope your ban is expired by now and I hope you can be back into the fray soon. I again wish you success, and that you be strong and courageous in the face of the strong opposition that is sure to come! Good luck, ]] 14:24, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

::The 24 hr ban you are talking about was long gone by the time this mess came up and you will notice after that editor got his way '''there were no reverts'''. ] states quite clearly "Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor ]." In short even though he got his way he still per ] agreed with the changes I reverted to! I think the real problem is that too many editors don't really understand WP:CON and turn it into a voting booth.--] (]) 16:03, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
:::Yep, I noticed. At least kind of, as much as I understand these wikilawyering battles. Unfortunately, as you can see from my latest post in the noticeboard page, I am not much help with wikilawyering. But, it seems to me, you are now up against the big guys, and this time they want to ban you for good from the area/issue at all. I hope they don't succeed, as I said there, but I've seen already too many battles like this one here where the minority/non-mainstream guys simply get muzzled, banned, and that is that. I wish you luck again, in your battle for life here (and maybe the help of some pros, who really know the machine, which is not my case, unfortunately. I do this WP thing on the side only, just kind of just multitasking at work... while I wait for the real life job tasks to develop.) ]] 16:15, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

::::I don't know about "against the big guys" as the attempt before the 24 ban was a bust.--] (]) 16:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
{{od}}Yep, but just look at . Of course, you've probably already seen it. Just seeing if my 'diff' will work... ]] 16:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

]] 16:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)]
:Please note my polite rebuttal to that in which I point out two ''other editors'' reverted back to my version and I point out the part of WP:CON all the commenting editors seem to be ignoring.--] (]) 16:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

::Sadly you were right and the trogs have won. BruceGrubb has retired in evident disgust.--] (]) 07:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

==Invite to Research Survey==

Hi Warshy,

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For more information about wikiFeed, visit our ]. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask via my talk page, or by email at wikifeedcc@gmail.com. Thanks for your time! ] (]) 15:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

==Crimean Karaites==

Warshy thanks for your edit. Please could you also explain your thinking on the article talk page.--] (]) 21:25, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
:I think I have tried to explain it a number of times already, especially in the talk page to Abraham Firkovich. But it does not help, since there are apparently 3 different POV on that page from people in Russia, whereas I am the only one from outside of Russia, trying to keep some order in an English language WP. The histrical mess in Russia started with Firkovich himself, and then was closed up by Seraya Shapshal in such a manner that it is today almost impossible to undo some of the covering up they did. And they did it based on their political and religiously motivated designs, nay their political plan of separating the Karaites from the Jews in their social status and in the political fate within Imperial Russia in the 19th century. As I said before also, what we are seeing here now in the English WP is a re-enacting of that political and religious rewriting of history. It is a mess, and it is going to take many years of careful historical research to finally start getting out of it. ]] 22:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
::I really think it would be best if you contributed to the article talk page, if only to make it clear to clueless admins that you are discussing your edits and not edit-warring.--] (]) 22:30, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the advice. I have written there my comments yesterday, and they also explain how I see what is happening there. Maybe you did not see them? Right now, nothing that is written in the talk page is going to change any minds. Each one of the editors is only defending his own religious POV, and religious convictions are something that do not allow for any rational, historical arguments. I will continue to try and follow the developments, and see where this can be taken in the future. In the little arguments going on in the talk page about little details here or there (which do not change the overall mess), if I have anything to say one way or another, I will. ]] 22:57, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

==Please review this==
I have looked at the history of the ] disambiguation page, and fixed it. If you wish to make any changes, please fell free.

What is interesting is the way the same editor kept changing it over time. In theology, inconsistency in religious books over time is know as "gradual revelation".

*] (actually Kaz) 15 Feb 12.
*] 8-10 Aug 12.
*] (actually Kaz) 16 Aug 12.
*] 28-30 Aug 12.
*] 2 Sep 12.
--] (]) 21:18, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for recording this here, Toddy1. Quite amazing. Thanks for fixing this mess. It looks like you've mastered pretty good the art of the "diff" on WP, which I still struggle with quite a bit. The user in question states in his talk page that he is "reading-challenged." I think the real disorder here may be more like "multiple personality disorder." ]] 14:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

== Request that topic ban be lifted ==

Hi Warshy,

I've made a request that the topic ban be lifted . I hope I can count on your support. ] (]) 18:13, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

== Amedeo Modigliani ==

My edit is NOT a vandalism, I just put the real pronunciation which somebody else had previously wasted! I am italian (check my IP address) and I know my language! --] (]) 19:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
:This is not a matter of the Italian language per se, it is a matter of the IPA standard on pronunciation guidelines for any language. It is actually a separate language all in itself, and a very difficult one to master, from what I can gather. I am no specialist in it at all, and I suspect you are not one either. Misplaced Pages has its own specialists in this esoteric art, and I will let them chime in, as I believe they will, just by seeing your edits. The one specialist in it I know of is called Kwamikagami, and I will wait for him to chime in. If he doesn't I will ask him to take a look at your edit. The way you labeled your edit, since it came after no one changed that pronunciation recently at all, makes it suspicious. On the other hand, in the same manner that I can't really read those signs, the majority of the readers also cannot read them, I believe. So it really doesn't make much of a difference for the average person, even if you're trying to pull a yarn over my eyes... ]] 19:27, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

:: You said very impolite words about me and I really think I don't deserve this. I suggest to read ]. You said my edits are "suspicious" despite admitting you aren't a specialist capable to understand them. Also you said I'm "trying to pull a yarn over your eyes", and honestly I don't know why. You wrote "no one changed that pronunciation recently at all", but was the situation before wrong edit (you didn't check the history of the page). I just fixed things and you labeled me as a vandal and an ignorant. Well, you must know I study italian phonetics and also I use a dictionary before editing. Eventually you even stated "I can't really read those signs, the majority of the readers also cannot read them, I believe. So it really doesn't make much of a difference for the average person"; so is that a good reason to write wrong things? Is that your opinion? Bad thing. Most people can't understand specific topic of an encyclopedia, but I don't believe this is a reason to write wrong things. On contrary, especially those people who can't "read those signs" need accurate contents, because they can't tell what is wrong from what is right. As soon as Kwamikagami'll check my work, you'll be forced to apologize, nay, you should apologize now considering your behaviour and your mistakes. --] (]) 11:32, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I still cannot verify anything you say, because I don't know what is correct and what is wrong. But this is no important matter at all, and I don't have much time to waste with it (not even going and asking specialists to check it). As I said, it does not really matter much one way or the other. My suspicions were definitely in place, since no modification was made to the pronunciation part right before your edit. And, I said "if you are trying...," not that you are, and I still cannot verify it one way or the other. But, this is no real important matter for me, and I have left as you say it should be for the time being, and that is the end of the matter for me for the time being. I don't want more hassle and aggravation with this minor issue, and I don't really care one way or the other, so please leave me alone with this issue, as I have let your edit stand for the time being. Any other argument about this non-issue here on my talk page from now on, unless initiated by me, I will delete. Thank you. ]] 13:18, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
==Hi==
Thanks for kind message on my Talk, my email box has been playing tricks, I'll dig through it. Have a good one. ] (]) 17:05, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
:Don't worry if you don't find it, it was already some 4 or 5 months back I think. I basically just was trying to find out then what your user name means, but I have found it out since. I was trying to establish some basic contact to try understand what your basic interests are, since I've seen our paths cross on a number of issues. You know, there are so many things in this place I don't undestand, and I don't seem to be able to figure them out. It is always good, I believe, to have some knowledgeable friends around. And you certainly know more about a bunch of stuff around here than I do. So I was just trying to see if some kind of "human" contact could be made. In any case, as you know now, I do look at your work and try to learn as much as I can from it, at least the little fractions of it I do understand. Nice talking to you. ]] 23:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

== Hundred thousands ==

Hello Warshy, you recently reverted a minor edit . Please consider the syntactic pattern (you can click the numbers at the bottom for text examples). It doesn't matter whether the phrase is followed by a noun or not; the distribution is similar (some noun-less examples are available ). Best wishes, ] (]) 16:10, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
:As you wish. ]] 16:22, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks, I'll change it back to the ''s''-less form. ] (]) 16:45, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

== Precious ==

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Thank you for sharing your thoughts! - Handel, did you see ]? - Did you know that my model for Precious is the photographer of the ] (who said "Awesome Wikipedian" for the longest time), and my friend? --] (]) 22:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks for bringing me up to date on these issues. Wow! And I naively thought an Infobox, that is so common in the areas I am more familiar with in WP, and which seems to me to be, logically, just a most trivial matter, could be so complicated... Still, from a simple common-sense perspective it should not be, IMO. But, I guess it is. Oh, well. The precious model is a very nice one indeed, and I also had not seen it before. Thanks again for taking the time to explain these things to me. Regards, ]] 23:30, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

==Banned==
Re: 75.114.222.69. Please don't confusing blocking with banning. They are not the same thing. 75.114.222.69 is welcome to edit Misplaced Pages constructively as soon as the block has run its course or the editor has acknowledged the error and promises to avoid repeating it - whichever comes first. ] (]) 21:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
:Sorry for the confusion. I am sure he/she will come back right to where he/she left off, and it will be up to somebody else to decide what to do then. But maybe I'm wrong, and he/she will be willing to learn and act for the good of the encyclopedia. We'll have to wait and see. Thanks for keeping a watchful eye over it? ]] 21:41, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
::Please note the sources and comments I've added to the article's talk page. I trust you appreciate Misplaced Pages's dependence on reliable sources and not on the personal opinions of its editors. ] (]) 00:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
:::I certainly do appreciate and that is what I asked for on this editing issue to begin with. Thanks for checking. I have asked a couple of questions about the sources you give in the article talk page, and I would appreciate it if you could give me some answers. Thank you again for looking into this issue. ]] 15:21, 11 May 2013 (UTC)12:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

==The probable return of Kaz/Budo==
suggests that {{contributions|81.100.242.0|81.100.242.0}} could easily be ]/], who tended to use Virgin Media, sometimes from Southern England and sometimes from Cardiff. However it is not proof.--] (]) 19:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks for the tip. From the list of contributions it is hard to conclude anything. But the most telling page going forward should be the Crimean stuff. It did not ring a bell for me when the last edit was made on 5/1 (before today's edit), but since you've been on the lookout, I will now pay more attention. I hope it is not... Thanks again. ]] 19:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

==Identifying admins==
If someone does not state that they are an admin on their user page, it is safe to assume that they are not an admin. ] shows how this is done. If a user falsely claims to be an admin, this should be reported.

A user's interests can generally be assessed from their user page and from the editing habits. Many experienced users have a watch list of pages that they try to protect from vandalism and excessive POV editing. Pages on that watch list are often there because of perceived need and not because of a special interest in them. For example, I got involved in the dispute about the Crimean Karaites page for that reason. It was about a month into the dispute when I came to a conclusion about which side was right. My concern up to that point was to ensure fair play. I ended up having to buy books to cope with the disruptive editor's claims.--] (]) 19:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you. I assume you are not an Admin. I also assume you cannot see what pages are on my watch list, but I may be wrong of course. It is not very clear to me from what you say how you really got involved; but I wouldn't expect you discuss it here, that is why I sent you an email. Thanks again for your answers. There is still a lot of research to be done on the subject, of course, but time for everything one needs to to is the problem... Thanks again and regards, ]] 20:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
==Btw==
Hi, you stated at ] "the encyclopedia is not harmed in the least by maintaining the ancient Hebrew term" - maybe, in this case Sotah is an early medieval term, it is never used in the Book of Numbers which is perhaps one reason why Jewish academic sources on Numbers generally don't use it. Just FYI. Cheers. ] (]) 17:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
:Hi IIO. You are correct regarding the Book of Numbers, it was my mistake. That chapter/passage is so unusual for the Hebrew Bible (and I really don't think it is understood correctly, btw), and so actually obscure and unique, that it generated a whole treatise on it later in Rabbinic Judaism. However, "Mishnaic Hebrew" would still be pretty ancient by our standards, approximately 200 BCE to 100 CE. This span would still be much earlier than "early medieval." But in any case, thanks a lot for your note here correcting me. Regards, ]] 18:55, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
::No worries, your comment prompted adding sources to the article, which is more important than title. And yes, you're right, shouldn't just lump Mishnah in with Talmud. Cheers. ] (]) 19:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

==User:Kaz==
It looks like blocked ] made an edit as an IP-editor to one of the redirects to the article on the ]. I have reverted it. Please add the redirect ] to your watch list.--] (]) 07:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
:Hello Toddy. Yes, it does look like him. I've added the redirect to my watch list. Thanks. ]] 13:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

== טסט ==

מצאתי דרך לכתוב בעברית, שהיא אפילו קלה יותר מכל דרך אחרת

עם זאת, הבעיה של הכיוון לאחר התו האחרון של המשפט נשארת

==Kaz-watch==
A suspected sock of ] made another attempt at turning a redirect to ] into a POV-fork article. I have rolled back and tagged the suspected sock.--] (]) 20:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:Hello again old wiki-pal,
:Yes, I had seen it as soon as he did that (slow at work these days...), and I was wondering if I should alert you. Before I could decide to do anything you had already reverted. You are the specialist in socks and IPs, but this one quacks like a duck (Kaz/Budo), no doubt about it. I am here to help in what is needed, but you understand the WP quirks much better... Be well, and thanks for always watching this area. I am sure he will return many times still... ]] 20:36, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
By the way, I got so enthralled by the ressurection of this old nightmare that I finally started reviewing, nay, really studying finally the whole history of the page. Near its creation by an IP in 2004 I found the following about the subject. Worth studying again and again. ]] 20:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
:Thanks.--] (]) 07:56, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::Hey {{U|Toddy1}}, can you maybe explain to me exactly what do you mean when you say that you "tagged the suspected sock?" I'd appreciate that. Thank you, ]] 15:37, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::This .--] (]) 19:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::Thanks {{U|Toddy1}}. I assume you have to be an Admin in order to do that? ]] 20:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::If I were an admin I would have blocked him/her.--] (]) 22:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::So it still isn't clear to me how do you accomplish that "Revision history" result. I hadn't seen it before. I also tried to figure it out but I wasn't able to. Sorry for being so thick... Also, what does that tagging accomplish in terms of admins that would have the tools/power to act? Thanks for explaining to me these more arcane WP functions... ]] 23:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::::'''Tag'''. At the moment the position is that one or more users have suspicions that the IP was used by User:Kaz as a block-evading sock. i.e. we suspect that it was Kaz, but it is not proven. Given that this is a different IP than the one that he/she used before, admins cannot prove that it was Kaz by using a ]. If Kaz continues to edit on this IP, then the tag will be useful as it is a record that the IP is suspected of being a sock of Kaz. Other users will see the tag. Curiously enough, the tag on the user page is fairly invisible now, because there is no user talk page. But anyone editing the user talk page will find it.

:::::::If the IP editor makes more edits, it should generate enough evidence to take to ]. If he/she does not, it does not matter.--] (]) 08:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

:::::::'''Revision history'''. Go to the tab marked history for the page. One option is to compare selected revisions (which gives you a lot of choices) - the comparison is known in Misplaced Pages as a "diff". If there are no previous revisions, click on the date shown for the edit, as use that as the diff (this is valid as it shows that there was no previous version). Copy the URL of the diff, and paste into a talk page.--] (]) 08:41, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for all the explanations {{U|Toddy1}}. I know more or less about the "diff" in WP, one cannot live here without that. What I had never seen is a history page that has no previous revisions. But I think I get what you mean now, and how you did it. Thanks a lot again for your patience with my questions and your explanations. Be well, ]] 14:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

:We have a "new" editor, who is editing the articles on the ] and ]: ], ] and ]. It will come as no surprise to learn that our new friend has a Welsh IP from a company called Talk Talk.

:You will recall that in 2013 Kaz sometimes used two Virgin IPs: Welsh IP ] and English IP]. However, the IP used by the previous suspected Kaz-contribution was ], which was a Talk Task IP in Wales.

:The POV of this "new" editor is different from before. This might indicate a different person, but I think that he/she is merely being disingenuous, just as Kaz was initially with the Budo ID.--] (]) 22:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
::Hello {{U|Toddy1}}. I cannot really follow your IP dissertation above without going and looking into the internet protocol details myself. Since I don't have time for that, I completely trust anything you say in this respect. Now, regarding the contents of the new editor and his socks, it is indeed a different POV than the one that was advanced by Kaz/Budo. He may be playing the "disingenuous" game you mention, I don't know how we would determine that. Maybe he will reveal more about himself as he comes back to advance a POV here. In any case, so far I much "prefer" his POV, advancing the Krymchak card as against the Karaylar card that was Kaz's card, and pointing out about inventions of identities among East European Karaites, wich I believe is the correct key to understanding all this "Russian ethnic mess." On the other hand also, I cannot agree with Nepolkanov's latest edits, dismissing the Krymchak card he tried to re-insert into the discussion. Also, Nepolkanov's level of proficiency with the English language is so bad, so underpar, that I don't believe he should be even allowed to edit English WP main article pages. He should be allowed only to make suggestions about content change in a page, but the actual edits he suggests would have to be done by you or me. This whole area is still a big mess, and I am very wary to dive into it at anytime, especially before I could look at the German research on this area that was done more than 100 years ago by Julius Furst and by A. Harkavy. You, on the other hand can read the Russian publications pointed to by Nepolkanov much faster than I can. I don't know if you follow the developments in the main Khazars page, but until things settle down a little there, there is not much for us to do here, I believe. Thanks for the internet protocol explanations; it takes a good deal of technical knowledge to figure out these things, and I commend you for that. ]] 23:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Please keep an eye on ]. Seems remarkably similar to Kaz.--] (]) 19:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
:{{u\Toddy1]], thanks. He posted a comment on ] to which I responded. I was waiting to see what would follow. Regards, ] ] 20:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

== Thank you, Warshy ==

Your message at my page means a lot to me. Thank you. And, of course, having been sucked into the Misplaced Pages mire because of the one subject on which I can help establish a truthful record, I understand completely that someone, you, may not have the time to dive into an entirely new subject, nor the time to learn the maddening protocols of WP. But your simple message of support is a breath of fresh air among all the "WP:" this and thats. Thanks again. Best, Charles J. Hanley 20:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC). <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Yes, I know how the WP maze of boards and rules of "this and that" as you say can be completely maddening. I have been here many years and I still don't understand at least 70% of it, I would guess... But as I try to stay out of any political controversy, it really doesn't matter to me. That is not what I come here for. I come here just mainly to study and to learn... In any case, I am glad my little support offered you some respite, and be sure I will be watching further, and whatever little help I can offer you, I will. Again, much good luck on your very important endeavor here, ]] 21:00, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

== Meir bar Hiyya Rofe ==

I see you added two categories to this article: Kabbalists and Sabbateans. Can you please update the text of the article to show that these categories are justified? ] (]) 19:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, I knew you were coming, after I looked a bit at the article history. I am working on it with sources, as you can see. Bee well, ]] 19:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:: Well done, so far. Good, I'll patiently await further developments then. ] (]) 21:18, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
:::{{U|Debresser}}. All Sabbateans, and especially rabbis or scholars, in the 17th century were before being Sabbateans, Kabbalists. This is one of the central thesis of Gershom Scholem in his master work on ]. I will be adding references later directly to Scholem's work, but in the meantime (which I thought was meant by "patiently" above) there is no need to brush the subject any more. Be well, ]] 16:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:::: I was under the impression you finished. Sorry for rushing you. :) ] (]) 17:01, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
:::::Finished with 17th century Jewish messianism, where Meir bar Hiyya Rofe in one of the central figures? No. There is a lot more to come, and especially on this guy, since he is also central to my own theses... But here on WP one has to be very, very carefull with OR. Staying with the EJ and with Scholem as the main sources here however should be more than enough in the meantime. Be well. ] ] 17:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

== Questions about the User Name Bill Moyers ==

After seeing recent edits by "Bill Moyers" on the article ], I looked at the talk page ] and read the various comments and replies. I saw your query regarding whether this editor really was the well-known Bill Moyers. I also wondered the same thing, but after reading all the comments and replies above your comment, I came to the conclusion that this editor is ''not'' the well-known Bill Moyers for the following reasons:

:1) If you read this editor's last reply in the section "User Name" (a little way above your comment), you will see that he/she responds to another inquiry about the appropriateness of his/her user name by saying that it is a common name and he has followed WP policy. I believe that if this editor really were the well-known Bill Moyers, he would have said so;

:2) I believe the well-known Bill Moyers would put more than just a picture on his User page;

:3) This editor has been editing articles in the medical field, and I do not think the well-known Bill Moyers has a medical background; and

:4) As you can see from the discussion in the first section on the Talk page regarding the article on Schizophrenia, this editor has not been following WP editing policies, has not indicated that he has read various policies in spite of being urged to do so, and has found several other editors to back his ideas up in the face of criticism, none of which, I believe, the well-known Bill Moyers would do.

This editor may have some expertise or knowledge in certain fields, but you can see from his Talk page that he is new to WP and is still learning (a) WP editing policies, and (b) how to work in a collaborative manner with other editors. These would not even have been an issue with the well-known Bill Moyers, whose ability to collaborate is one of the things that have made him famous.] (]) 16:22, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

::Hello and thank you very much for checking this issue and for posting your conclusions here. I completely agree with all of your insights and conclusions, and I had already came to the same conclusion from the simple fact that this unknown user who uses another person's famous identity to build for himself a fake identity here on WP never even bothered to try and answer my straightforward question. If this unknown user had any true relationship to the real Bill Moyers he would not have left my open question laying there unanswered for more than a couple of hours without some sort of reply. But if so, then my other more serious ethical question remains: does WP have nothing to say about this type of spurious appropriation of another living person's famous identity by an unknown and undisclosed WP user, just for the sake of hiding behind another person's real famous name? I don't think this is right and I don't think this should be allowed in WP. Sincerely, ] ] 16:41, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
:::I agree with you. It is possible that the editor's real name happens to be the same as the well-known Bill Moyers, but even if that were true, I think it is bad form to use the name as a user name. He (or she) could have chosen a different user name. I am not an admin and have no influence regarding this issue. Did you see the comments regarding the user name above your comment on his talk page? Another editor made reference to discussions and policies and provided at least one link. You could look at those.] (]) 00:55, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Hello again and thank you for pointing that out to me. I now went through the User Name section on that User's page above mine, and you are correct. Someone had already pointed out to the new User that his User Name did not comply with User Name guidelines and policies, and had already requested that he/she change the non-compliant, misleading User Name. I am also not an Admin and I don't know if the User that made that request there is one, and/or if se/she will follow up on the request. This fake User Name's reply there was that the WP name filter let it through at the time of creation, and that is that. To my direct question asking for a simple clarification of the dubious choice for a User Name he/she has not even bothered to answer, confirming to me that the intention must be to just dissemble and to hide behind the ID of another living person's famous identity. If I were that other famous living person I would certainly not be happy with someone else appropriating my own name/identity for his/hers own purposes, whatever those may be. I am sure the powers that be here are aware of the situation now, with at least three users having commented on it negatively, and I will just wait and see if any further action is taken. If I were an Admin, as you say, I certainly would follow up on the requests already made. Thanks again for checking it and sharing your own views on the matter with me here. Be well, ] ] 16:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
::Are you watching the article on ]? Two or three days ago I undid an edit in which this "Bill Moyers" added a whole section consisting of a heading and one paragraph to the article, with an edit summary. Yesterday, this editor reverted my edit, putting the section back in with a request to discuss on the article's Talk page. Today, I addressed one of the reasons I had removed that section, that it was poorly written. You may want to take a look at it. I am not good at judging references (I had, I believe, put "unreferenced" in my edit summary at the suggestion of another editor), so I didn't discuss that. But I think the paragraph is not up to the standards of WP articles.] (]) 18:11, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much Gerda! Nine years is quite some time. warshy 15:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Congratulations on the anniversary! Gale Peterson (talk) 01:22, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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I think I fixed the problems! I'm sorry that before I accidentally cut part off. I added a reference and link to The Harold Weisberg Archive at Hood College, so I think that should be official! Gale Peterson (talk) 01:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Gale Peterson,
Thank you for the note (and the congrats above also). I now finally understand what this is referring to. Sorry, I was busy learning how to archive everything that was above the first 2022 item above this morning, and it took me a while to figure it out.
Yes, you fixed the broken link to a PDF file. But the first ref is still to the private web site of the guy, and this second file I am still reviewing the contents of it, to see if it can stand as a verifiable ref on WP. Thank you, warshy 18:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I just added another reference from the National Archives Catalog, Records of the John F. Kennedy Assassination Collection: Key Persons Files, kept at the U.S. Government site https://catalog.archives.gov. It says Thornley was questioned by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) the day after Oswald was killed and just a few days after Kennedy was shot. It says Oswald and Thornley served in the Marines together. In the interview, Thornley said he had written a novel based on Oswald, but doesn't say the name of the novel. But the others source I put say the novel's name. I hope this passes muster! Gale Peterson (talk) 21:33, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
Well, you placed this additional ref at the end of the next sentence, not where it should be, which is at the end of the two sentences you added about Thornley. Why the mention about "Discordianism" (whatever that is) needs to be on Oswad's page beats me.
But beyond that, after reading all the material you added and reading more about the guy on his own page, my own opinion has not changed. In my view this guy is a completely non-important, a rather marginal character in the Oswald story, that only serves to add trivial facts and make the whole issue more full of sensationalism and of irrelevant facts. In my view, this rather marginal, non-important character just used the fact that he met Oswald once by chance to try and make a name and a career for himself. I myself would rather remove all mention of him completely from the Oswald page. But I don't want to make a big fuss about something that is little, trivial, and not really important. I would at least remove the mention of "Discordianism" (whatever that is) from the Oswald page, since it does not have anything that relates to Oswald. But I won't do anything for the time being. The whole matter is in my view, again, just a completely marginal and unimportant distraction from the real important matters regarding Oswald and the Kennedy assassination. But then again, at least half of that page consists just of this kind of sensationalist and distracting, marginal and non-important petty gossip about other unimportant characters such as this one. Just so people reading about the matter get distracted and confused by unimportant, marginal bullshit. Oh well, enough of this crap for me, I am just stating my own opinion here in my own page, and that's the end of this matter for me. Thank you, warshy 22:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

bar/ben yochai

Wonder if you'd care to weigh in here, which in my opinion is a question of whether to value academic sources over religious orthodoxy. GordonGlottal (talk) 04:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

DRN

Hi, I opened a DRN for Book of Daniel here

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Hero of Alexander

In 1st century CE, Hellenistic engineer, describes a matter as made up of particles with spaces between them.Even if his account denies the fundamental tenet of classical atomism, it does not change the fact of intrinsic properties like shapes.I have corrected it,can i now upload it Cuando de hyiopi (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

No, you can't. This is not sourced by any WP:RS, and it looks like WP:OR. The links and the language still has errors, and the connection between shapes and atomism makes no sense at all. As it is it just looks like garbage to me. Sorry. Thank you, warshy 21:12, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Ok Cuando de hyiopi (talk) 06:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

why rollback my good faith edit to embellish the context of the page? thank you

curious as to wikipedia policy here 67.8.169.171 (talk) 03:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

What, the regime of Fulgencio Batista was not a dictatorship? You were removing stable and important information with a clear POV in mind. That is why I reverted it. In any case, you can always discuss your proposed edits at the article's talk page, not here. Thank you, warshy 13:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Strauss and Aesopian Language

I wanted to make the argument that Strauss and Aesopian language does have some link.

To quote from the Strauss article

"In the late 1930s, Strauss called for the first time for a reconsideration of the "distinction between exoteric (or public) and esoteric (or secret) teaching". In 1952 he published Persecution and the Art of Writing, arguing that serious writers write esoterically, that is, with multiple or layered meanings, often disguised within irony or paradox, obscure references, even deliberate self-contradiction. Esoteric writing serves several purposes: protecting the philosopher from the retribution of the regime, and protecting the regime from the corrosion of philosophy; it attracts the right kind of reader and repels the wrong kind; and ferreting out the interior message is in itself an exercise of philosophic reasoning."

I'd like to highlight the section that says "Esoteric writing serves several purposes: protecting the philosopher from the retribution of the regime."

Also in the Strauss article: "Some critics of Strauss have accused him of being elitist, illiberal and anti-democratic. Journalists such as Seymour Hersh have opined that Strauss endorsed noble lies, "myths used by political leaders seeking to maintain a cohesive society"." Although noble lies can be seen as somewhat opposite of Aesopian language (as Aesopian language refers to an underground movement using language to deceive a regime and noble lies refer to a regime deceiving its people)

To me, these quotes relate to Aesopian language as seen with the first sentence in the relevant article:

"Aesopian language is a means of communication with the intent to convey a concealed meaning to informed members of a conspiracy or underground movement, whilst simultaneously maintaining the guise of an innocent meaning to outsiders."

If you think it's appropriate, you can revert the changes to the See Also section under Leo Strauss where I linked to the Aesopian Language Article. I'm willing to defer to you as an arbiter in this case, as you have more experience than I do.

Good luck in your endeavors! BigBulborb (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

OK,I think I understand you now. Do whatever you think is right. I don't have much interest or knowledge on the issue in any case at this point. Thank you, warshy 16:30, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Popkin's book

As you suggested, I am looking at The History of Skepticism: From Erasmus to Spinoza by Richard H. Popkin. I also read a review of the book by Ezequiel de Olaso, one of his student. It is clearly religiously oriented. The word "God" occurs about 320 times and the book has about 380 pages. It is natural that it is religiously oriented, because it covers the late medieval and renaissance periods and Popkin was himself a scolar in religions. To get other view points, as required by Misplaced Pages neutrality principle, I am also looking at other books about the history of skepticism, including a book by Chatalian and a book by Floridi, which are less religiously oriented. I hope you do not fear that this might be philosophical forays into post-modern jargon-filled (and name-dropping of any idiot that has ever published anything as a "famous philospher") philosophical streams of consciousness and that I will only do my own synthesis of these post-modern, off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy. It is not nice to make this kinds of assumptions about other wikipedians. I don't deserve that. Please instead discuss intelligently the sources with me, which is possible, because I provide references. Every thing I contribute is well sourced and can be verified. I appreciate that your inclination toward religiously oriented sources might give you the impression that other sources are off-the-mainstream new trends in philosophy from "famous philosophers" (in quotation marks), but actually I consider valid notorious sources and I think the article (and you personally) would benefit from a better consideration of these sources. It hurts me that you do not have a nicer attitude. Dominic Mayers (talk) 06:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

There is nothing religious about Popkin's book. The only reason he deals with the god question is because in the early modern period which he is dealing with, that was the main target of skepticism, to begin with. It was to be able to eliminate the hurdle that religion put up in the way of philosophy. I'd prefer you get off my page with your own musings, enough I have to suffer them on the Epistemology page. Thank you, warshy 13:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
The main point I needed to say in your talk page is please stop being rude. The rest of it was just the context. If you continue to be rude and I cannot take care of this in your talk page, I will go through some third party process. It's up to you. Dominic Mayers (talk) 20:33, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I am not being rude in any way. I am expressing precisely what I think about your long musings, which for me rarely say something I feel is worth wasting my time on. Thank you for not bothering me here again. warshy 21:34, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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