User talk:Ret.Prof: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 00:45, 3 February 2014 editRet.Prof (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers15,357 editsm →Sorry Ignocrates ← Previous edit		Latest revision as of 15:42, 25 July 2024 edit undoKowal2701 (talk \| contribs)Extended confirmed users16,722 edits →Wikiproject: new sectionTag: New topic
(516 intermediate revisions by 55 users not shown)
Line 1:		Line 1:
			<div style="{{{style\|text-align: center; width: 60%; margin: auto; padding: 1em; border: solid 2px gold; background-color: royalblue; color: white; font-weight: bold;}}}"><span style="letter-spacing: 14px;">{{{title\|I EDITED WIKIPEDIA
	''''''Misplaced Pages does not care about you or me being qualified scholars. Misplaced Pages is not a scholarly site, but a summary of sources that speak for themselves. We all have the right to edit, but there are rules to make sure that proper sources are used for appropriate articles and editors are civil. If you want to accuse me of a Christian bias:'''

			BEFORE CREATING A USER ACCOUNT,

			SO I HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN
	{{cot\|1=Please read this.}}
	] comes to my home in South Africa at the height of our struggle. The house of Nelson Mandela was just down the road.]]
	At Misplaced Pages we must all try to edit from a NPOV. On occasion my Faith has been called into question. Indeed some have honestly wondered how I can write what I have about the Historical Jesus and still be a Christian.
	The answer is simple, my relationship with God never had anything to do with history or archeology. Let me explain...

			IT LOOKS.}}}</span></div>
	'''Christianity not relevant in our modern world''' As a young litigation lawyer, I believed in God, but felt that Christianity was no longer relevant in our modern world. Jesus' teachings such as "Thou shalt not kill" "Love your enemy" "You can not serve both God and Money" were just not relevant in these modern times. I believed in the death penalty, war, material wealth. I did unto others before they did unto me. I did not get angry, I got even...and a bit!

	'''Spiritual awakening''' Then, a series of events made me reconsider my beliefs and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was still relevant today. I read a great deal about people who still believed in the Gospel, including Mahatma Gandhi, Dr Martin Luther King Jr., etc., etc. This led to a Spiritual awaking that forever changed my life.

	'''South Africa''' It was here, working for Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela that my faith was put to the test. Could love and non violence really bring down the Apartheid government? We were out-gunned, out-matched in every way. What the Archbishop was preaching made no earthly sense. Yet before my eyes I witnessed this racist government fall. As I stepped out in faith on a daily basis, I experienced God in a real way. In my heart I came to believe that the Gospel of Christ was the most powerful force in the Universe. The Roman Empire never stood a chance. Nor did the British Empire in India, or, for that matter, Segregation in the South.

	'''Twelve Step Program''' Several years later I was approached by a group who wanted to use my Church. They explained to me that their program was basic Christianity without many of the offensive "buzz words" that had been added over the years.
	# Confessing that we were miserable sinners became ''"We admitted we were powerless over alcohol or drugs etc -- that our lives had become unmanageable."''
	# Faith was changed to ''"Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."''
	# Accepting Jesus Christ as our Personal Saviour became ''"Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."''
	# Accepting that we had all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God was changed to ''"Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves."''
	# Making our confession was reworded to ''"Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs."''
	# Repentance became ''"Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character."''
	# Bin saved became ''"Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings."''
	# ''"Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all."''
	# ''"Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others."''
	# Continued confession became ''"Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it."''
	# ''"Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out."''
	# Born Again & Witnessing became ''"Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to others, and to practice these principles in all our affairs."''

	This simplified "Gospel" has transformed the lives of millions. It is truly powerful regardless of the packaging. My faith finds form in Anglicanism because of the freedom from "strict dogma", but I have seen the power of Christ in all denominations. Walking with Christ for these many, many years has given me a faith that allows me to edit Misplaced Pages from a NPOV. The reason is that my faith is not based on the "historical evidence" that has survived to 2014 but rather it is based upon my experience over a very very long time...and now to have a Pope whose focus is love, forgiveness and caring for those in need rather than dogma is a true blessing!
	{{cob}}


Line 33:		Line 12:
	! style="border-bottom:3px solid; background:#eee;" \| Talk Page Archives:		! style="border-bottom:3px solid; background:#eee;" \| Talk Page Archives:
	\|-		\|-
	\|] (2008)		\|] (2008)
	\|-		\|-
	\|] (2009)		\|] (2009)
	\|-		\|-
	\|] (2010)		\|] (2010)
	\|-		\|-
	\|] (2011)		\|] (2011)
	\|-		\|-
	\|] (2012)		\|] (2012)
	\|-		\|-
	\|] (2013)		\|] (2013)
			\|-
			\|] (2014)
			\|-
			\|] (2015)
			\|-
			\|] (2016)
			\|-
			\|] (2017)
			\|-
			\|] (2018)
			\|-
			\|] (2019)
			\|-
			\|] (2020)
	\|}		\|}


			<br>
	==Collusion==
			<div style="width:10%; float:left;height:4px; background:#f0f8ff;"></div><div style="width:80%; float:left;height:4px; background:lightgrey;"></div><div style="width:10%; float:left;height:4px; background:#f0f8ff;"></div>
	Since no one else had the decency to inform you, you should be aware that ] reopened the ] your ] article into the ], in what now appears to be a proposal for deletion. Although you were not informed, a notice was given to the ], as well as several selective notices to editors who were previously in favor of deletion of the original article, ], ], and ], in what, to my mind at least, seems like a rather obvious attempt at ]. ] (]) 17:27, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
			<div style="background:#f0f8ff;padding:20px;">
	: I have followed your link and your concerns about ] are legitimate. I have chosen to assume good faith. My protection is very much up to those bureaucrats who patrol Misplaced Pages. - ] (]) 17:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
			# '''Stay calm''' and maintain a professional demeanor. '''Be patient''' and '''remain courteous and civil.'''
			# '''Avoid conflict''', even when you know you are right. Give other editors the benefit of the doubt.
			# ''']''' toward your collaborating editors, if not their edits. Assuming good faith is not intended to be self-destructive, but to avoid conflict.
			# '''Ignore attacks.''' Not easily done, but a real timesaver. Attacks and counter-attacks are hazardous to your mental health. The best and most frequently offered administrative advice is to move on, and, if absolutely necessary, return the next day.
			# '''Don't take it personally'''. Editors make honest mistakes. Communicating our thoughts is not easily done on the Internet.
			# '''Don't isolate your interpretation'''. There are many interpretations other than yours. What you read might NOT be what was meant.
			# '''Don't think of editing as a competition'''. WE are cohorts, collaborating to improve our ].
			# '''Don't edit when angry or upset.''' Stay off the article and talk page in question. Never let your anger or frustration be the deciding factor in ''your'' behavior.
			# '''Don't forget the human dimension''' of Misplaced Pages editing. Keep things in perspective. There is a real, living and breathing, sensitive human on the other side of the discussion.
			<small><center> respectfully taken from ]</center></small>
			<div style="width:10%; float:left;height:4px; background:#f0f8ff;"></div><div style="width:80%; float:left;height:4px; background:lightgrey;"></div><div style="width:10%; float:left;height:4px; background:#f0f8ff;"></div>
			</div>'''Ray's Rules'''

			# You and your problems are not the most important thing in the world.
			# Choose your battles. Yield when it doesn't matter, and stand your ground when it does.
			# Keep a thick skin. Don't let criticism discourage you. Instead, let it teach you.
			# You learn more from listening than from talking. "A good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he gets to know something." (])
			# Don’t waste your time arguing with an idiot.
			# Give other people the same respect that you would want from them. (Matthew 7:12)
			# The surest way to drive yourself crazy is to compare yourself to other people.
			# Take the high road, no matter what the other person does. It will benefit you in the long run. (Romans 12:20)
			# Don’t take yourself too seriously: "We share 99% of our genes with mice, and we even have the genes that could make a tail." (Dr. ], Human Sequencing and Mapping Project Manager, Sanger Institute); "The graveyards are full of indispensable men." (Charles de Gaulle)
			# The most important thing is to be able to look yourself in the mirror. “There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because it's right.” (Martin Luther King, Jr.)
			<small><center> respectfully taken from ]</center></small>
			<div style="width:10%; float:left;height:4px; background:#f0f8ff;"></div><div style="width:80%; float:left;height:4px; background:lightgrey;"></div><div style="width:10%; float:left;height:4px; background:#f0f8ff;"></div>
			<br>













			== Happy, Happy ==

			<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="background-color:#E6E6FA; border: 1px solid #7D00B3; margin: 0.5em auto; padding: 0.5em; width:90%; text-align: center">]<span style="font-weight:bold;font-size:125%;">Happy First Edit Day!</span>]
			Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

			From the ], ] (]) 07:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
			</div>

			Thanks, - ] (]) 15:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

			==Happy First Edit Day!==
			{\| class="messagebox standard-talk" style="border: 2px dashed #FF0000; background-color: gold;"
			\| style="text-align:center;" \|]
			\| style="text-align:center;" width="100%"\|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:darkblue">Hey, '''Ret.Prof'''. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the ]!<br />Have a great day!</span> ]<sup>]</sup> 22:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
			\| style="text-align:right;" \|]
			\|}


			Thanks - ] (]) 15:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

			==Closure of AfD on ]==
			Hi I believe you have closed this AfD improperly for the following reasons:
			* It was only relisted two days ago and should run for another five
			* I don't believe you are an administrator and there was no urgent need to close it early
			* You expressed a view (not based on policy) in the discussion, and then closed it, which is explicitly not allowed.
			* Six editors supported deletion (plus me=7). The article creator and you were the only editors favouring keep. You have explicitly closed against consensus in my view, and this is not acceptable.
			For these reasons I'm asking you to undo your close, allow the discussion to continue, and leave it to an admin to close at the appropriate time. Thanks ] (]) 14:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
			::I have taken the appropiate action and hope the matter has now been resolved. - ] (]) 12:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

			== ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message ==

			<table class="messagebox " style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;">
			<tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;">]</td><td>Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y\|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data\|2020\|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

			The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

			If you wish to participate in the 2020 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx\|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. ] (]) 01:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
			</td></tr>
			</table>
			<!-- Message sent by User:Xaosflux@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2020/Coordination/MMS/03&oldid=990308186 -->

			==Merry Christmas==

			<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#FF4646; background-color:#F6F0F7; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:7px; border-radius: 1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);<!--

			− -->;" class="plainlinks">]]]{{Center\|]}}

			− I have enjoyed working on my proposed edits. Thanks for the good advice and helpful suggestions! I wish everyone all the best in the coming year. Enjoy the ''']''', and thanks for maintaining, improving and expanding ]. Cheers - ] (]) 15:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)]{{paragraph break}}

			</div>
			==Happy First Edit Day!==
			<!-- ##RW UNDERDATE## -->
			<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="background-color:#E6E6FA; border: 1px solid #7D00B3; margin: 0.5em auto; padding: 0.5em; width:90%; text-align: center">]<span style="font-weight:bold;font-size:125%;">Happy First Edit Day!</span>]
			Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

			From the ], ]<sup>]</sup> 20:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
			</div>

			== Dorcas or Tabitha? ==

			Hello Professor. Don't know if it matters to you, I just saw that you've contributed to that article. I'll only bother you this one more time. If you want, you can find the current discussion ]. It's a bit stuck. I'm not a native speaker and don't know what feels like being the right variant in your area and community, and the online available data is not always clear or the best criterion. Thanks and all the best, ] (]) 11:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

			== ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message ==

			<table class="messagebox " style="border: 1px solid #AAA; background: ivory; padding: 0.5em; width: 100%;">
			<tr><td style="vertical-align:middle; padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;">]</td><td>Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y\|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data\|2021\|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

			The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

			If you wish to participate in the 2021 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx\|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. <small>] (]) 00:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)</small>
			</td></tr>
			</table>
			<!-- Message sent by User:Cyberpower678@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2021/Coordination/MM/03&oldid=1056563210 -->

			== RFA ==

			Hi Professor, I've moved your RFA oppose comment to the comment section as you only said "Comment" and not "Oppose" - If you were outright opposing you're more than welcome to move your comment with the comment changed to oppose, Have a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, Thanks, {{u\|Davey2010}} (]) 17:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
			:No problem.- ] (]) 21:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

			== Merry Christmas ==

	== Before you resume ==
	In the spirit of collegiality, I suggest you take a look at ] and familiarize yourself with the details of this dispute and the cast of characters who played a role in it. Should you decide to return to editing, I fear there is a significant risk that you will be "Grubb"ed. I hope you will think carefully about how to come back with your eyes open. ] (]) 18:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
	:Thanks, I will. - ] (]) 18:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)... I have. The concerns that you have raised are legitimate. Also, , and have some merit. I just noticed ] is an Admin! In any event I have chosen to assume good faith. I am being careful in my edits. My protection is very much up to those bureaucrats who patrol Misplaced Pages. Thanks again to ''']'''! - ] (]) 15:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

			<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#FF4646; background-color:#F6F0F7; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:7px; border-radius:1em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);;" class="plainlinks">]]]{{Center\|]}}
	==Special Thanks==
			'''Every good wish and blessing!<!--{{subst:Season's Greetings}}-->
	Thanks for dealing with the allegations that were brought against me. I looked really, really, really guilty!! If bureaucrat '''Nihonjoe''' had not figured out that the edit histories for ] and the ] had been tampered with, I would have been finished at Misplaced Pages! Cheers - ] (]) 14:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
			]{{paragraph break}}
			</div>
			{{-}}

	== Sorry Ignocrates ==
	The consensus on AGK's talk page is to begin with ] and take it from there. That is probably going to be seen by ArbCom as a necessary first step on the road to arbitration anyway. Since the hoo-ha has temporarily died down, I would probably wait on this article until Dunn's new book comes out before you resume editing. I expect there will be renewed attempts to discredit Dunn and all the other major authors on the topic, as well as the topic itself. That is tactic #1 used so often in this category - undermine the editor by undermining the sources. If that fails, expect a shift to tactic #2 - poison the well by attempting to undermine your personal integrity. I have removed the article from my watch-list, so drop a note on my talk page if there are any overt attempts at deletion in the interim. ] (]) 14:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	Ret.Prof, if DRN is not able to mediate the expected resumption of this dispute (I suspect they will become quickly overwhelmed by the complexity), you can request editor assistance from admin ] as an outside mediator who has experience in dealing with complex disputes. Cheers. ] (]) 17:00, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
	:'''Re tactic #1 & tactic #2 mentioned above:''' Most unsettling...particularly the '''''shift to tactic #2''' - poison the well by attempting to undermine your personal integrity.'' Yet I am going to assume good faith. Several bureaucrats and admins are aware of the situation. It seems over the past week you, have taken a bit of a beating. It seems no good deed goes unpunished! Most unfair. Sorry Ignocrates! - ] (]) 19:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	::No worries. That's life in the big Wiki. The "beating" I took over this article is nothing compared to how I am used to being treated. At least I don't have anyone else sending me threatening emails (yet). I don't think outside observers of this complex dispute understand how much it is rocking the foundation of certain people's deeply-held beliefs. ] (]) 22:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::I think you are right. The new scholarship is unsettling for some resulting in a state of denial. It is probably why material from Ehrman and Casey is deleted so rapidly from Misplaced Pages. My solution has been to be kind, proceed slowly, and focus on the reliable sources. - ] (]) 13:09, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
	::::Thanks for all the support I have received over the past year! For a while I believed I would be banned from Misplaced Pages! It is my hope with the John Carter Arbitration complete that I may return to normal editing. My plan for the new year is to avoid the Hebrew Gospel Hypothesis and focus on the Oral Gospel Tradition which is far more important! There are several other articles that need to be brought up to date. - ] (]) 15:10, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

	:::::I, personally, cannot see how an article which raises the probability that there once existed a proto-Hebrew (Aramaic) Gospel from which Greek translations, recensions and/or interpolations were made at some later time (based on the interpretation of early Jewish sources quoted by Jerome, Eusebius and Epiphanius) can "rock the foundation of certain people's deeply-held beliefs," seeing that the basic message is still there to be seen in the Greek texts. Jerome wrote explicitly: "Matthew, also called Levi, an apostle after having been a publican, was the first to compose a gospel of Christ in Judea in Hebrew letters and words for the sake of those of the circumcision who believed. But who afterwards translated it into Greek is not sufficiently certain. The Hebrew itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilius the martyr so diligently collected." <ref>Jerome, De viris inlustribus, ed. C.A. Bernoulli, III</ref> So, too, Eusebius wrote explicitly: "But concerning Matthew, he (Papias) writes as follows: 'So then Matthew wrote the words in the Hebrew-language and every one interpreted them as he was able.'..." <ref>Eusebius, hist. eccles. III. 39.16</ref> Why then would such a scenario be considered a "let-down," Ignocrates? I am somewhat familiar with the Jewish way of thinking, and throughout all my years of Judaic studies among native Jews who speak Hebrew, it is quite conclusive that Jews made use, first and foremost, of their own script - i.e. the Chaldean script (Assyrian script) whenever writing homilies (Midrashim), or historical accounts. While it is true that I am no longer contributing articles which treat on the subject, I have still seen enough to know that the matter is disputed by scholars, and, which to me says, present the conflicting views (based on WP:NPOV) and let the people draw their own conclusions. Does knowing that the book of Daniel was first composed in an Aramaic script and later translated into Greek make it any less valid? Of course not! ] (]) 22:14, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::Well said. - ] (]) 23:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::You should realize that the ] is still a hypothesis and ''a priori'' it could be true even if there isn't any conclusive evidence behind it, but the idea that the ] was originally written in Hebrew is completely another matter and it is definitely ]. Conflating the two matters is a case of ]. ] (]) 23:52, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::Yes, but the reliable sources support ]. Did ] succeed in banning ]?? - ] (]) 00:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::::The sources he quoted aren't ], they are ] and ]. He was not banned, but he still does not want to comply with Misplaced Pages policies and produced ], which was rejected by multiple, independent editors from being included in Misplaced Pages. I mean he even tried at ] and still did not succeed with creating Misplaced Pages articles and I played no part in vetoing his attempts to create articles. He was told by many editors that Misplaced Pages does not publish original research and he should seek a peer-reviewed publication for publishing his articles. ] (]) 00:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::::::] support ] read carefully! Cheers - ] (]) 00:23, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::The writings of Papias, Jerome and Eusebius aren't reliable sources. In this case, reliable sources are the writings of historians who live by ]. ] (]) 00:32, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
	::::::::::::::That simply is not in ]. ] is on solid ground. Cheers - ] (]) 00:42, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

	==~~Request~~ ~~for~~ ~~Arbitration~~==		==Happy New Year==
			Wishing everyone the best for the new year; hopefully we can put the pandemic behind us. — ] (]) 16:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
	On the surface this dispute seems simple. I had some concerns about the following and requested some references. The response was "good grief" and that I was a "time waster". I went to the library and got the following references.
			==Happy First Edit Day!==
	* Throckmorton's the
			<!-- ##RW UNDERDATE## -->
	*
			{{ombox
	*
			\| name = First Edit Day
	*
			\| image = ]
	I offered to provide further references if required. This would be no problem as every Biblical scholar is aware of the attestations to the early ] (ie Matthew ''"wrote his Gospel in Hebrew in Palestine"''). NOTE I did not revert the unsourced edit for I have voluntarily stepped back from editing this article. Of course this gave rise to even more serious time wasting allegations (ie disruptive behavior) requiring a topic ban.
			\| imageright = ]
			\| style = border: 2px solid CornflowerBlue; background: repeating-linear-gradient(300deg, MistyRose, AntiqueWhite, Ivory, Honeydew, Azure, GhostWhite, MistyRose 50%);
			\| textstyle = padding: 0.75em; text-align:center;
			\| plainlinks = yes
			\| text = <big>'''Happy First Edit Day!'''</big><br />Hi Ret.Prof! On behalf of the ], I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made and became a Wikipedian! ]<sup>]</sup> 10:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
			}}
			==Happy First Edit Day!==
			<!-- ##RW UNDERDATE## -->
			<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="background-color:#E6E6FA; border: 1px solid #7D00B3; margin: 0.5em auto; padding: 0.5em; width:90%; text-align: center">]<span style="font-weight:bold;font-size:125%;">Happy First Edit Day!</span>]
			Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

			From the ], ''''']''''' ] 19:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
	However there is much more to this issue than my asking for reliable sources and I am making a formal request for Arbitration. - ] (]) 20:15, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
			</div>
	:That is your right of course. However, please be aware that you are going for all the marbles by taking that action. Arbitration may result in a ] outcome. ] (]) 20:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
	::All I ask for is a fair hearing. If my editing is worthy of a ban then so be it. We have had our differences but in the end you have been fair. Cheers - ] (]) 20:15, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
	:::Thank you. I really appreciate your saying so. Everyone should have the opportunity to have a fair hearing. ] (]) 20:25, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
	::::Please find my detailed response to your question on my talk page. ] (]) 17:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

			== ArbCom 2022 Elections voter message ==
	===Anti Jewish bias===
	A second important issue to be addressed at Arbitration is the issue is Anti-Hebrew bias. It is true that in the 20thC was considered a more reputable and stable academic tradition. However, in the past few years there has been a in Christian Biblical scholarship. Leading Biblical scholars such as Ehrman, Casey, Edwards have now taken the position that ''Jesus was a Jew'' and that the historical roots of Christianity must be seen in a Jewish context. This scholarship has sparked debate for some still hold the position that Jesus was a Greek speaking Galilean whose were . Last year, one of the world's leading historians on ''Early Christianity'' released his latest work. James D. G. Dunn, ''The Oral Gospel Tradition'', Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing, 2013. argues that the assumption that Jesus was not Jewish has been a real stumbling block for Biblical scholars. If anything, more serious has been what might be called , which for so long disfigured Christian theology, including NT scholarship." The so called mainline or classic position of Ernest Renan, who wrote: is mistaken and encapsulates The truth is Christianity has and Christian scholarship has in its treatment of Jews. This can be seen in which is as little more than a . The mainline position of 20th Century scholars bordered on antisemitism. The Deutsche Christen movement produced the , still the standard Theological Dictionary of the New Testament found in theological libraries and used by students all over the world as if it were nothing but a standard work of reference. Nor should it be imagined that such bias was isolated to scholars who fought for Nazi Germany for even was tainted by the effect of working in a German environment in which Jewishness was so unwelcome. Nor should it be imagined that such anti-Jewish sentiment was isolated to scholars coming out of Germany. . The Jewish tradition has generally been viewed pejoratively and judged inferior by many other scholars instrumental in the formation theories regarding the Synoptic tradition. . One must take care to distinguish between Biblical Scholarship based on reliable historical evidence and of the West.
	:::''Roots of Theological Anti-Semitism: German Biblical Interpretation and the Jews, from Herder and Semler to Kittel and Bultmann''
	:::Volume 20 of Studies in Jewish History and Culture, BRILL, 2009. -
	:::
	:::Bart D. Ehrman, ''Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth'', HarperCollins 2012.
	:::
	:::Maurice Casey, ''Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching'', Continuum International Publishing Group, 2010
	This is an important issue to be worked through at arbitration. - ] (]) 14:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

			<div class="ivmbox " style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #AAA; background-color: ivory; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center; ">
	::::Arbitration does not deal with content issues. See ]. Perhaps you want ] or ]. ] (]) 14:57, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
			<div class="ivmbox-image" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em; flex: 1 0 40px;">]</div>
			<div class="ivmbox-text">
			Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y\|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data\|2022\|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

			The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
	==Stepping Back==
	My solution is to step back from <U>editing articles</U> at Misplaced Pages.

			If you wish to participate in the 2022 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx\|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. <small>] (]) 00:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)</small>
	===Update articles===
	A few years ago I decided update the Christian articles re the Second Temple Period. (See bottom of talk page re ) Since then I have come under brutal attack by a small but dedicated group of editors who totally reject the new scholarship. Things have gotten so bad that last week when I requested a reference regarding an unsourced edit their response was to propose a topic ban! Note! I did not edit the article, just queried ! The abuse of he last two years (whether deserved or not) has in a practical sense brought my editing to a halt.

			</div>
	===Different Approach===
			</div>
	I still plan to update the Christian articles of the Second Temple period with the following sources:
			<!-- Message sent by User:Cyberpower678@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2022/Coordination/MM/03&oldid=1124425182 -->
	*
			==Happy First Edit Day!==
			<!-- ##RW UNDERDATE## -->
			{{ombox
			\| name = First Edit Day
			\| image = ]
			\| imageright = ]
			\| style = border: 2px solid CornflowerBlue; background: repeating-linear-gradient(300deg, MistyRose, AntiqueWhite, Ivory, Honeydew, Azure, GhostWhite, MistyRose 50%);
			\| textstyle = padding: 0.75em; text-align:center;
			\| plainlinks = yes
			\| text = <big>'''Happy First Edit Day!'''</big><br />Hi Ret.Prof! On behalf of the ], I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made and became a Wikipedian! ]<sup>]</sup> 02:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
			}}
			::Thanks - ] (]) 00:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

			== Happy first edit day! ==
	*

			<!-- ##RW UNDERDATE## -->
	*
			{{ombox
			\| name = First Edit Day
			\| image = ]
			\| imageright = ]
			\| style = border: 2px solid CornflowerBlue; background: linear-gradient(60deg, MistyRose, AntiqueWhite, Ivory, Honeydew, Azure, GhostWhite);
			\| textstyle = padding: 0.75em; text-align:center;
			\| plainlinks = yes
			\| text = <big>'''Happy First Edit Day!'''</big><br />Hi Ret.Prof! On behalf of the ], I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made and became a Wikipedian! ] (]) 01:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
			}} ] (]) 01:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

			== Wikiproject ==
	*

			Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to ], would you be interested in joining a wikiproject on ]? ] (]) 15:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
	as follows:
	#I will not <U>edit Misplaced Pages articles</U>. Rather I will create a proposed draft based upon reliable sources from a NPOV.
	#I will offer it for peer review.
	#Then I will work to achieve consensus.
	#Only after we have achieved consensus will I edit the actual article.
	I think my approach is reasonable and hope it will bring an end to the conflict. Cheers - ] (]) 14:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 15:42, 25 July 2024

I EDITED WIKIPEDIA

BEFORE CREATING A USER ACCOUNT,

SO I HAVE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN

IT LOOKS.

Talk Page Archives:
Archive 1 (2008)
Archive 2 (2009)
Archive 3 (2010)
Archive 4 (2011)
Archive 5 (2012)
Archive 6 (2013)
Archive 7 (2014)
Archive 8 (2015)
Archive 9 (2016)
Archive 10 (2017)
Archive 11 (2018)
Archive 12 (2019)
Archive 13 (2020)

Stay calm and maintain a professional demeanor. Be patient and remain courteous and civil.
Avoid conflict, even when you know you are right. Give other editors the benefit of the doubt.
Assume good faith toward your collaborating editors, if not their edits. Assuming good faith is not intended to be self-destructive, but to avoid conflict.
Ignore attacks. Not easily done, but a real timesaver. Attacks and counter-attacks are hazardous to your mental health. The best and most frequently offered administrative advice is to move on, and, if absolutely necessary, return the next day.
Don't take it personally. Editors make honest mistakes. Communicating our thoughts is not easily done on the Internet.
Don't isolate your interpretation. There are many interpretations other than yours. What you read might NOT be what was meant.
Don't think of editing as a competition. WE are cohorts, collaborating to improve our thing.
Don't edit when angry or upset. Stay off the article and talk page in question. Never let your anger or frustration be the deciding factor in your behavior.
Don't forget the human dimension of Misplaced Pages editing. Keep things in perspective. There is a real, living and breathing, sensitive human on the other side of the discussion.

respectfully taken from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Editor Retention

Ray's Rules

You and your problems are not the most important thing in the world.
Choose your battles. Yield when it doesn't matter, and stand your ground when it does.
Keep a thick skin. Don't let criticism discourage you. Instead, let it teach you.
You learn more from listening than from talking. "A good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he gets to know something." (Wilson Mizner)
Don’t waste your time arguing with an idiot.
Give other people the same respect that you would want from them. (Matthew 7:12)
The surest way to drive yourself crazy is to compare yourself to other people.
Take the high road, no matter what the other person does. It will benefit you in the long run. (Romans 12:20)
Don’t take yourself too seriously: "We share 99% of our genes with mice, and we even have the genes that could make a tail." (Dr. Jane Rogers, Human Sequencing and Mapping Project Manager, Sanger Institute); "The graveyards are full of indispensable men." (Charles de Gaulle)
The most important thing is to be able to look yourself in the mirror. “There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because it's right.” (Martin Luther King, Jr.)

respectfully taken from Ray's Rules

Happy, Happy

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CommanderWaterford (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Hey, Ret.Prof. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Misplaced Pages Birthday Committee!
Have a great day! CAPTAIN RAJU 22:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Closure of AfD on Olabisi Akanbi

Hi I believe you have closed this AfD improperly for the following reasons:

It was only relisted two days ago and should run for another five
I don't believe you are an administrator and there was no urgent need to close it early
You expressed a view (not based on policy) in the discussion, and then closed it, which is explicitly not allowed.
Six editors supported deletion (plus me=7). The article creator and you were the only editors favouring keep. You have explicitly closed against consensus in my view, and this is not acceptable.

For these reasons I'm asking you to undo your close, allow the discussion to continue, and leave it to an admin to close at the appropriate time. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 14:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I have taken the appropiate action and hope the matter has now been resolved. - Ret.Prof (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2020 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 7 December 2020. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2020 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

− I have enjoyed working on my proposed edits. Thanks for the good advice and helpful suggestions! I wish everyone all the best in the coming year. Enjoy the Christmas, and thanks for maintaining, improving and expanding Misplaced Pages. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU 20:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Dorcas or Tabitha?

Hello Professor. Don't know if it matters to you, I just saw that you've contributed to that article. I'll only bother you this one more time. If you want, you can find the current discussion here. It's a bit stuck. I'm not a native speaker and don't know what feels like being the right variant in your area and community, and the online available data is not always clear or the best criterion. Thanks and all the best, Arminden (talk) 11:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

ArbCom 2021 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2021 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 6 December 2021. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

If you wish to participate in the 2021 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

RFA

Hi Professor, I've moved your RFA oppose comment to the comment section as you only said "Comment" and not "Oppose" - If you were outright opposing you're more than welcome to move your comment with the comment changed to oppose, Have a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, Thanks, Davey2010 (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

No problem.- Ret.Prof (talk) 21:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Every good wish and blessing!

Happy New Year

Wishing everyone the best for the new year; hopefully we can put the pandemic behind us. — Ret.Prof (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Happy First Edit Day!
Hi Ret.Prof! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! CAPTAIN RAJU 10:23, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 19:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

ArbCom 2022 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 12 December 2022. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

If you wish to participate in the 2022 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Thanks - Ret.Prof (talk) 00:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy first edit day!

GuapMachine (talk) 01:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikiproject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Oral gospel traditions, would you be interested in joining a wikiproject on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 15:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)