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| == Strength Level == | |||
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| == Cover art name recognition is wrong. == | |||
| Hulk, Thor, Gladiator, Hercules and the Silver Surfer are all considered to have Class 100 strength. Listing Thanos at incalculable strength levels indicates his strength is beyond their level, nothing more. Class 100 can no longer indicate a tonnage the character can lift, if it did Class 75 Namor (who has military pressed nuclear submarines weighing '''tens of thousands of tons''') would also be listed at incaluculable, yet he is clearly below the Hulk and Thor in strength as shown '''in direct interactions'''. If tonnage really determined the strength class characters fell into then everyone from Namor, the Thing, Sasquatch, Colossus, etc. would have to be listed at "Incalculable"; which would make the whole class system pretty moot. Even Spiderman would have to be Class 50+ since he has lifted close to 50 tons in the past, but he is still only a Class 10 character. The stength "class" system can only be a system of relative strengths, meaning Class 100 guys are all in the same relative ball park, Class 50 guys are all in the same ballpark and guys listed as Incalculable are solidly above those considered to be Class 100. The Incalculable strength level of Thanos, as well as Mangog or Kurse, obviously cannot begin to compare to the Incalculable strength level of omnipotent types such as Galactus or the Celestials. The implication here is that the "Incalculable" strength rating in the class system simply means "beyond Class 100" and isn't a true, definable class in and of itself. Thanos currently being solidly above guys like Hulk, Thor, and the Surfer ('''as shown in direct interactions''') in raw strength means he deserves the "Incalculable" or "beyond Class 100" strength rating. - ] | |||
| :That's not only totally wrong, but you need an editor. ] 13:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::What a witty, well thought out and informative rebuttal. Let me guess, a Hulk fan? There are examples of Thanos simultaneously overpowering not only Thor & Thing (pre-death, before power-up), but also Hulk & Dumb-Drax (post-death powerup; IG) Hulk & Hercules (post-death powerup; issue involving Quasar) and the Silver Surfer on numerous occasions. Thanos is beyond the Class 100 bricks in pure strength, too many in-continuity examples point to this to continue to deny it. - ] | |||
| :::I can't believe I didn't notice this reply before now. Thanks for a laugh, B. Not a good one, but a laugh. You might want to avoid saying things like "Dumb-Drax" if you're going to accuse others of lacking wit. Just a suggestion. ] 21:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Biff loman9, are you even aware that there are two (possibly three) distinctly different versions of Drax the Destroyer? We have the original Drax (who retained his full intelligence) and "Dumb" Drax who was resurrected by Kronos about the same time Death resurrected Thanos. The resurrected "Dumb" Drax had his powers (and strength) greatly enhanced but he had the intelligence equivilant to that of a 3 year old child. "Dumb" Drax had Class 100 strength while the original Drax did not. Perhaps now you understand why I referred specifically to "Dumb Drax" when referring to the Thanos feat. It's a commonly used term when referring to the resurrected, powered up Drax. As for the laugh, you're welcome. Somehow, I doubt it will seem quite as funny now. :) ] | |||
| :As far as that goes, I think I remember in Secret Wars the Hulk was shown on the cover lifting a whole mountain. You can't take the listed, Marvel Handbook entries too seriously. Writers and artists probably don't want to be constrained by them. I remember an issue of Thor where Eric Masterson is shown holding Thor's apparently lifeless body in his arms; Thor, who supposedly weighs 640 lbs! I think when it comes to the strength levels of these superheavyweights, the best that you can really do is say that they're all around the same level, and it's impossible to tell who really is stronger. ] 17:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::The Handbooks can be used as a reference for relative strengths, nothing more. - ] | |||
| :::Why do you feel that one exception is acceptable? ] 13:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::What exception? Please clarify. Thanos has not only proven to be stronger than Class 100 characters one-on-one on too many occasions to mention, he has been depicted physically overpowering TWO Class 100 characters simultaneously on several occasions. If that doesn't show him exceeding the Class 100 category I don't know what does. There is a reason why Marvel has both Class 100 and Incalculable ratings, to signify when a character significantly exceeds those that are accepted Class 100 characters. The ONLY thing that throws a wrench into Class system is the laughable ranking based on the 100-ton scale. As I mentioned Class 75 Namor has pressed nuclear submarines with little effort, Thor lifted the midgard serpent, Hulk swam with an island on his back and braced the mountain in secret wars, Gladiator has moved planets and hoisted the Baxter Building, Class 80 Sasquatch hoisted a 250 ton airplane (stated in comic) then threw it against the thrust of its own engines and the list goes on and on. The tonnage system sucks, but using the strength "Classes" as a system of relative strength still works and doesn't fly in the face of continuity. ] | |||
| :::::Most writers probably don't give a rat's hairy little ass about Handbook entries. A character is a strong or as fast as they need to be for the demands of a particular story. ] 18:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::They probably don't. And it isn't the Handbooks job to establish continuity but rather make sense of it. If Character X is shown as significantly stronger than Character Y in direct interaction then the Handbook should reflect that. Writers '''should''' be able to use the Handbooks as a basic reference for relative power or strength levels. ] | |||
| :::::::The Handbooks were published for gullible fans by a greedy comic book company. All we need to know is that these characters are superhumanly strong; who is stronger is up to the writer and the needs of the story. ] 19:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::So what you are saying is that established continuity is totally irrelevant. A writer decides to have SpiderMan physically overpower an enraged Savage Hulk to "fit the needs of the story" and that's fine. How about some ignorant writer decides to have Captain America lift an M1 Abrams because "it fits the needs of the story". We know these characters can't perform these feats under normal circumstances because of one reason, CONTINUITY. The Handbooks simply attempted to make sense of established continuity; in many ways they failed yet in many ways they also succeeded. ] | |||
| :::::::::No, that's not what I'm saying at all. ] 21:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::That's what it looks like. Based on what you have written here it seems to me like you are saying that all characters with superhuman strength should be able to do anything the writer feels is necessary for the story. There IS a semi-defined hierarchy in the MU whether you acknowledge it or not. For example Spiderman should not be able to beat Thor in an armwrestling match, the Handbooks help to clarify things like this. Both characters have super strength so are readers supposed to suspend disbelief when some uninformed writer comes along and tries to tell him Spiderman is stronger than Thor under "normal circumstances" just because it "fits the needs of the story?" Hell no. So just what are you saying? - ] | |||
| The image representing Thanos in this article was actually made by In-hyuk Lee. Jerome Opeña and Dustin Weaver did the interior art for what was in that comic, not the cover image we see here. ] (]) 02:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Point out a comic book (not the Handbook - a real, in-continuity comic) that uses the Class 100 system in regard to the characters you mention. ] 22:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :CovenantD, I have pointed out several in-contintuity comics that have showcased Thanos demonstrating physical superiority over top tier characters, sometimes two at the same time. In the last revision to the article I even omitted the "Class 100" reference to take the focus off of the Handbooks. (even though I did not contribute the Class 100 mention to the Thanos article to begin with) This is to say nothing of his battles with Tyrant and Odin, both of whom have shown dramatic physical superiority to characters like the Surfer, Thor, Hercules and Gladiator. Still we see in-continuity examples of Thanos going to-to-toe with both of them and holding his own. A picture of Thanos engaging Tyrant hand-to-hand can be seen on the article main page, this is a feat shown to be beyond the strength capabilities of Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, the Surfer, and Morg (all Class 100) IN-CONTINUITY. | |||
| :Here is what I stated above: "There are examples of Thanos simultaneously overpowering not only Thor & Thing (pre-death, before power-up), but also Hulk & Dumb(resurrected)-Drax (post-death powerup; IG) Hulk & Hercules (post-death powerup; issue involving Quasar) and the Silver Surfer on numerous occasions. Thanos is beyond the Class 100 bricks in pure strength, too many in-continuity examples point to this to continue to deny it." What more do you want? ] | |||
| == The debut issue listed is incorrect. == | |||
| The Big problem is that you are trying to portray Thanos as stronger than all but the most cosmic and aesoteric characters. You'll not get a lot of support for that when we all know that it depends on the story, the writer and the editor - if they need a story where Spider-Man punches out Thanos, you can be assured that it will happen. Trying to say that he's stronger than everyone just isn't going to fly. ] 23:12, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*I* am not trying to portray Thanos in any way, I am only reporting what has been shown in the comics. If a writer needs a story where Spiderman punches out Thanos they will create the unique circumstances that will allow such a feat...or else Jim Starlin will be along to ret-con it away (as he did with the Thor and KaZar incidents). I do not even consider myself a Thanos fan but several of the users here, yourself included, are flat out REFUSING to accept proven character traits and are HARMING the Thanos article as a result. Your constant removal of these FACTS because you don't personally agree with them (or dislike me), with NO evidence to support the removal, IS vandalism. ] | |||
| :You just don't get it, do you Mr.Big? ] 01:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Another one of those wonderful replies. Apparently I don't get something, perhaps you should express your point in a more articulate manner. Be prepared for feedback. ] | |||
| :::Firstly, you are in no position to accuse anyone of not expressing themself articulately. Looking at your posts, you obviously have an extremely poor understanding of the rules of grammar and punctuation. Never mind that you also, again obviously, lack the power of reason which most of the rest of the population of the world takes for granted. You might want to consider that you're the only one who doesn't understand. I don't see why I should waste more time on you when the chance that you will understand is so slim. You're just too stupid. Unfortunately, the hand you were dealt was not a kind one. ] 11:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| It's customary, Big, to use italics rather than capitalization for emphasis. ] 02:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : :rolls eyes: ] | |||
| ::What, the rules don't apply to Mr (laughs) Big? Here's the thing: If you want people to even consider taking you seriously, you might want to come across as a guy who at least has some familiarity with the rules of the English language. Just a suggestion. If you don't want to do that, you're going to have to get used to being a joke for the rest of your life. I think that you're probably already used to that. How many wedgies did you get in high school? How many times were you stuffed into your locker? (Or are you even old enough to have been to high school? Probably you're not.) The name "MrBig" says it all. ] 11:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| It was not in the Invincible Iron Man #55, it was in the original Iron Man title, (#55) just called "Iron Man" the dates and issue numbers are correct, but "The Invincible" needs to be removed. It's not letting me do it for some reason. ] (]) 16:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Good Lord this was a huge ''conversation''! LOL ] 02:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Huge, but pointless. Big just isn't in the same weight class as the rest of us. He couldn't hold up his end. ] 11:50, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :@]: The includes “The Invincible”, and the title page of the story also says “Stan Lee Presents: The Invincible Iron Man”. -] (]) 00:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Powers and Abilities == | |||
| == "The Thanos Ques0t" is incorrect. == | |||
| User ], you keep adding in that whole "Hulk avoidance" bit as if it was something of real importance. It isn't. It add nothing to the article as a whole since that section already mentions that Thanos prefers to outwit opponents. To that end, I'm removing it yet again. | |||
| --] | ], 13 march 2006 | |||
| The Thanos Quest is not the correct title. The title of the 2 issue series is just called "Thanos Quest" ] (]) 18:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == Thanos |
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| :@]: The pretty clearly have “The” in the title. Even “The” is still used, though it looks to have been dropped in a later and internationally. -] (]) 15:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| Should Thanos still be considered immortal due to rejection by Death after the events of Avengers: Celestial Quest #8 and thanos #7 where Death made peace with Thanos and was willing to accept him? | |||
| ⚫ | == Thanos == | ||
| ] For Now (Annihilation Timeline), Thanos is not Inmortal. He explains it in | |||
| Thanos Quest 1 to Runner . | |||
| The Death made the peace with him in the last number of "The End" and she return his 'favor' and 'friendship' to him. | |||
| :Technically, I guess a character would have to be totally beyond death by any means to qualify as immortal. As an Eternal, however, he's still at least ageless. ] 19:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Telport stone is very danger ] (]) 14:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == POV == | |||
| the use of the term Rip off in the begining seems a little harsh | |||
| :Since this entry doesn't seem too terribly significant, I hope you'll excuse me if I conduct a brief test. I started a new topic here earlier, but now I don't see it, and the editing record doesn't indicate it was deleted. Does this mean WP isn't rrecording my Talk entries, for some reason? I'll now save this and see what happens… Thanks for your indulgence! – ] (]) 15:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| i see someone edited the term out. | |||
| ::Hmm, looks like my reply's still here, at least. 🤷♂️ – ] (]) 15:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ] 00:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::@] click View History at the top, and after your name, click “contribs” (it takes you to ]). The posts you made were on a different Thanos talk page. -] (]) 15:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Ah, thanks! I've been an enthusiastic WP editor and contributor for at least a decade, but most of the more esoteric features still baffle me. I really admire you guys who understand them. (Feel free to point me to a tutorial somewhere, LOL) – ] (]) 03:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == |
== Thanos was a boss == | ||
| Can anyone tell me in what issue of Spiderman, Thanos is shown robbing a bank | |||
| This article says that Thanos was a playable character in '']'', but he wasn't; he was the final boss. Could someone correct that error? ] (]) 01:32, 20 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| > I don't know anything about that, but in "Spidey Super Stories" #39, Thanos is on the hunt for the Cosmic cube and uses a Thanos-copter to track it down. He battles Spidey and the Cat (Hellcat), and is defeated and taken away by the police. Its hilarious. --] | ], 18 June 2006 | |||
| == Insanity == | |||
| I remember an issue where Thanos tapped into his "power cosmic" in an effort to confront the child of huimself and Death. Tapping this energy costs him his sanity (invokes mania, I believe). But I found no other mention of it in anything else. Was it mentioned anywhere else? Is it considered canon? | |||
| ] 16:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| > That took place in the "Celestial Quest" mini-series. Yes, the series is considered canon AFAIK, however, the version of Thanos that appeared therin was later stated to be a Thanosi clone. A clone evidently capable of fooling Mentor, Eros, Death and Eternity himself into believing it to be the real deal. --] | ], 18 June 2006 | |||
| == Mistakes and Errors == | |||
| ] Thanos can't (and never do) destroy the Heart of the Universe... if he could | |||
| do it, The Livin Tribunal, Eternity and All Marvel Universe dies. Remember than the Heart is one | |||
| of the two items than exceeds the Livin Tribunal's Power and they Sentences [The Inifinity Gaunlet | |||
| is the other item than exceeds the Livin Tribunal's Power cause the Gaunlet is the Physic form | |||
| Of The One]. | |||
| :There is no evidence that suggests that the IGs power exceeds the power of the LT. - ] | |||
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Cover art name recognition is wrong.
The image representing Thanos in this article was actually made by In-hyuk Lee. Jerome Opeña and Dustin Weaver did the interior art for what was in that comic, not the cover image we see here. 173.160.49.49 (talk) 02:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
The debut issue listed is incorrect.
It was not in the Invincible Iron Man #55, it was in the original Iron Man title, (#55) just called "Iron Man" the dates and issue numbers are correct, but "The Invincible" needs to be removed. It's not letting me do it for some reason. Daninto (talk) 16:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Daninto: The cover of the issue includes “The Invincible”, and the title page of the story also says “Stan Lee Presents: The Invincible Iron Man”. -2pou (talk) 00:04, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
"The Thanos Ques0t" is incorrect.
The Thanos Quest is not the correct title. The title of the 2 issue series is just called "Thanos Quest" Daninto (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Daninto: The original issues pretty clearly have “The” in the title. Even when collected “The” is still used, though it looks to have been dropped in a later Marvel Tales reissue and internationally. -2pou (talk) 15:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Thanos
Telport stone is very danger 103.210.126.231 (talk) 14:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Since this entry doesn't seem too terribly significant, I hope you'll excuse me if I conduct a brief test. I started a new topic here earlier, but now I don't see it, and the editing record doesn't indicate it was deleted. Does this mean WP isn't rrecording my Talk entries, for some reason? I'll now save this and see what happens… Thanks for your indulgence! – AndyFielding (talk) 15:36, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks like my reply's still here, at least. 🤷♂️ – AndyFielding (talk) 15:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- @AndyFielding click View History at the top, and after your name, click “contribs” (it takes you to Special:Contributions/AndyFielding). The posts you made were on a different Thanos talk page. -2pou (talk) 15:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks! I've been an enthusiastic WP editor and contributor for at least a decade, but most of the more esoteric features still baffle me. I really admire you guys who understand them. (Feel free to point me to a tutorial somewhere, LOL) – AndyFielding (talk) 03:51, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
- @AndyFielding click View History at the top, and after your name, click “contribs” (it takes you to Special:Contributions/AndyFielding). The posts you made were on a different Thanos talk page. -2pou (talk) 15:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
- Hmm, looks like my reply's still here, at least. 🤷♂️ – AndyFielding (talk) 15:38, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Thanos was a boss
This article says that Thanos was a playable character in Marvel Super Heroes, but he wasn't; he was the final boss. Could someone correct that error? 2600:6C5A:417F:528F:D4DE:DC05:33D7:AF0A (talk) 01:32, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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