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== Pronouns == |
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he has six bio kids and 4 step kids <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Why are the pronouns feminine? A person cannot changer their sex. There's a reason it's called transgender surgery and not transsexual surgery. ] (]) 01:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC) |
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In ] it says that the reason the Newtown track was named differently was because he failed to show up at the rededication. This article talks about the burial ground. Can these two be reconciled with some sources? ] 03:00, 10 April 2006 (UTC) |
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:WP:GENDERID, which is linked above, will have your answers. While I'm at, I have to note that a few of your "corrections" gave male pronouns to ]. I have the original sentences below: |
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== Editors please be aware == |
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:: '''Please do not edit this; her name at the time of their marriage was Kardashian. If it were listed as Kris Jenner, ''' Caitlyn Jenner may have been a few things, but she was never a Kardashian. ] 06:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:: ''Jenner has six children with three successive wives{{snds}}Chrystie Crownover, ], and ]{{snds}}and from 2007 to 2021 appeared on the ] series '']'' with Kris, their daughters ] and ], '''as well as Kris's other children from her previous marriage''', ], ], ], and ].'' Kris's children, not Caitlyn's. ] 06:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:pronouns are an aspect of language not chromosomal sex. if Caitlyn wished to be reffered to by the pronouns 'Squee/Squem' it would have nothing to do with her biology. ] (]) 13:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Car Accident == |
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With reference to Jenner's stepdaughter ], IP addresses have been spamming any Misplaced Pages mention of her with commercial links to her sex tape. Please double check any references or links relating to mention of Kim Kardashian. ] 21:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Seems way too sparse. What were his reactions? Did he (correct pronouns in Feb '15) have nothing to say? Were there no police reports? "Reports differ" carries way too much weight here. Stating he was "involved" is weaseling, did he or did he not bear responsibility for KILLING someone? Has she still remained silent after all these years? Surely this deserves more attention than some one-off appearance on TV.] (]) 19:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Also, |
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"Bruce Jenner and Paul Vogt are in fact the same person." |
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Check? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: Reverted. Thanks. --] (]) 13:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC) |
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== former Olympic gold medal-winning decathlete == |
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== Video Game == |
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Was there not a Bruce Jenner decathlon computer game year ago? I seem to recall playing it. Anyone remember it and/or know some details. ] (]) 15:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I have manually reverted this as she's still an Olympic gold medalist. ] (]) 00:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Bay Area Sports Hall of Fame == |
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I noticed nothing in his bio that indicates why his in the Bay Area Hall of Fame. There is nothing that indicates any link to California, much less specifically the Greater SF Area. I'm truly curious about this, would love to know more, thanks. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I previously added a section to explain that. He trained for the Olympics at ] and subsequently lent his name and appeared at the Bruce Jenner Invitational, a high level annual meet on the elite circuit.] (]) 08:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC) |
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== BruceJenner banned. Need resolution. == |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Community_banning_proposal_of_Brucejenner |
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User:Brucejenner is community banned. This tarnishes the reputation of Bruce Jenner. A proposal has been made to change the user's name, involuntarily if necessary. See the section following the ban. ] (]) 15:19, 1 July 2010 (UTC) |
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:Banning the user using this name does nothing to tarnish the reputation of the real Bruce Jenner. Because of his appearance on a popular, current TV show, his article is a constant target for vandalism. I am among several editors who have to revert this junk on a regular basis. That too doesn't hurt the reputation of Mr. Jenner, unless it were allowed to remain on public view.] (]) 21:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC) |
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==Perspective== |
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Speaking of perspective, how did Jenner -- a superb athlete -- manage to avoid the draft and Vietnam? The article is completely silent about this. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:46, 12 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The section where Jenner becomes a national hero was background trying to relate the perspective of why his Olympic medal was so important. The historical winning streaks in Basketball, and the loss thereof, was the motive for the creation of the ]. The 100 meters (with ], ], ], ], ], ], ], Harrison Dillard]], ], ], ] and ]), and the decathlon (with ], ], ], ], ] twice, ], ], and ]) both had established a similar history of USA athletes winning the gold medal, with expectations following the results. ] (]) 18:26, 11 August 2010 (UTC) |
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We seem to be getting into an edit war with some people trying to remove a portion of his track career. While he is now known for being a reality TV star, his individual fame stems from his track career waaaay back in the 1970's. His full time training regimen in the days of amateurism was unheard of and was only financially possibly by the support of his wife working as a stewardess in hopes of being able to cash in from celebrity after winning the gold medal. All eggs in one basket. The scheme succeeded, with the bonus of the world record. Having won the medal, having a major televised annual track meet named in his honor and his personal on camera hosting of said meet kept his name in front of the public for 20 years. All the points about the meet are established in the youtube video source--a record being set, the name of the meet and Jenner hosting. None of this should be removed from the article. Jenner's association to the sport continues to this day, with his leadership on the USATF Foundation and planned hosting of an Olympic tour in 2012. ] (]) 18:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC) |
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== How many points to win his 1976 gold medal? == |
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Our article currently says 8,634. And yet, this 1976 newspaper article says 8,618. ] (]) 17:00, 27 July 2011 (UTC) |
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=26tVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=3uADAAAAIBAJ&pg=6083,7613108&dq=jenner+pole-vault&hl=en |
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"officially breaking the 8634-point American decathlon record set by Bruce Jenner at the 1976 Olympics in Montreal. (Jenner's score had originally been listed at 8618, but was refigured in 1985, after the decathlon scoring tables ..." |
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http://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=Bruce+Jenner+8634+8618&num=10 |
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Can fully pull up this reference because it's just a snippet view, but apparently there is a story behind this. |
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:My take on this. 8618 is the score he had at the end of the event, the originally published world record. Recalculation based on rules and scoring table after the fact in 1985 is what was recognized ex post facto, but 8618 is the number he was known by. It was the number he put on his personalized license plate. 8634 will always appear in the comparative statistics, but was NEVER the listed world record because ] the record was broken before the new tables were adopted. ] (]) 20:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::And that kind of makes sense. I tend to think some of this would be valuable to include in our article. ] (]) 18:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Done and I reworked some sections that have always bugged me. I think there also should be a mention and article on Bert Bonnano, who coached several 1976 Olympians during that era at San Jose City College. But I do not have an articulation to what extent he helped Jenner, whether he was officially or professionally his coach or if he was just one an adjunct to the team. As mentioned in the article, this was before a lot of money polluted the sport. People did things for more altruistic reasons. ] (]) 18:49, 28 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::I like the changes. That the '76 Olympics were in Montreal, showing the progression of the record, that Daley broke it by a mere 4 points in 1980, that that kind of opportunity to train was unheard of in those days (Bruce between '72 and '76), etc. Nicely done. ] (]) 17:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC) |
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== Knowing == |
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The lead should be outlining what Bruce Jenner accomplished that makes him notable. So which is more informative to the reader; that he won a gold medal, or that he is ''known'' to have won a gold medal? Frankly, I think that if he has an article, and it is in the lead of that article that he won a gold medal, then it can be taken as read that he is known for having won a gold medal. Actually ''stating'' that he is known for it makes it sound that the being known is more significant that the winning. It actually detracts from his achievement in the decathlon. |
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And the sentence about how he "has been known" as the step-father is just convoluted. Clearer simply to say he ''is'' best known as the step-father. --<font color="purple">]</font> <sup>]</sup> 01:53, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:"He won the gold medal for decathlon in the Montreal 1976 Summer Olympics, after which he became a television celebrity. He is also step-father to the Kardashian sisters." (No need to name them all in the lead). - ] (]) 01:58, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::Winning a significant gold medal in the Olympics, made him a national hero and celebrity. Being on the Kardashians is not "best known" in his resume. That TV series is a current phenomenon, but is not likely to carry the same historical significance in the long run. ] (]) 03:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:::So what about my suggestion, then? - ] (]) 04:35, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::::The issue, not from me, but other WP trolls will claim that is too short for the lede. I was clarifying the position that the current lede is proper, starting with the Gold medal, then the subsequent celebrity career and finally mentioning his current role. The reason I was clarifying is that two editors have recently tried to say that he is "best known" for the Kardashians. That is a recent and probably temporary boost in a long life. ] (]) 04:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::I could go further and enumerate what made the Kardashian name famous (] and ]). ] (]) |
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::::::{{ec}} Well, yes ... and no :) This is never likely to be a Good Article. I wasn't actually saying replace the lede with just that pair of sentences, but rather trying to work round the "known" issue & the rather "bleurgh" phrasing being used. I rather thought that was also Escape Orbit's point. |
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::::::I could have a go at bashing out a new lede but, tbh, there isn't all that much to be said. Let's face it, he pretty much did one notable thing, played on it a bit ... then got married into a family who showed him how to really play on something (& something that is arguably pretty trivial compared to a medal). Purely on chronological grounds, the medal comes first but I absolutely guarantee you that he is better known as the stepfather than as the decathlete. And what he may be better known for in the future is irrelevant now. |
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::::::It seems that you have an interest in athletics & so you may have a different take on that, but you also have a narrow viewpoint & "specialist" knowledge. The Average Joe will be coming here because of the exposure from those step-kids, TV series etc. My suggestion was based on chronology but I am really not fussed which way round it is done. - ] (]) 05:15, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::I'll admit my prejudice, but in a broader sense, Misplaced Pages is not supposed to be about any specific point in time. We know the current flavor of the week will always better covered. Our articles are supposed to be accurate on a broader view. When the TV series is long gone, it will be mentioned as a resurgence. ] (]) 05:32, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::We can't know what may happen in the future, so the present information is the best we have, and what readers are living with. It cannot be denied that, at this moment, he is best known as a step father. Whether this is his greatest achievement is a matter of opinion, but Misplaced Pages should reflect that and not beat about the bush in getting to it. I realise his current notability is, like many "celebs", a matter of being famous for being famous, but the same cannot be said for his achievements as an athlete. So I would drop the whole "known for" aspect entirely. Say he's part of the Kardashian thing, and say he is a former athlete who won a medal. Everything else is just needless complexity verging on ]. --<font color="purple">]</font> <sup>]</sup> 16:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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In an effort to reach a consensus compromise, I suggest we remove references to "known for" and simply list his notable accomplishments. Us, any of us, declaring what he is "known for" is making a broad judgement which we from different perspectives (like age or what gossip magazine we read or watch). WP is supposed to be factual. So lets follow ] (showing my age) and give them "just the facts." Paraphrasing: He won the Gold Medal. He turned it into being a celebrity, TV star, Wheaties Box etc. Starting 2007, he is (or was when the show finally goes off the air--all shows have a shelf life) on Kardashians. ] (]) 17:36, 19 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:I remember Jack Webb ;) Basically, you are suggesting what I suggested a couple of days ago? NB: I put an "also" in that which, arguably, should not be there. So, ''He won the gold medal for decathlon in the Montreal 1976 Summer Olympics, after which he became a television celebrity. He is step-father to the Kardashian sisters.'' Nothing at all judgemental in that. - ] (]) 06:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::Sitush, I have never had any objection to your suggestion, other than suggesting the length was short. Other users are pushing what he is best known for and I object to the value judgement, because it is influenced by a current TV show. I am suggesting over the long run, a TV phenomenon fades far faster than the permanence of having won an Olympic gold medal. I suggest we not include the value judgement phraseology. ] (]) 07:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Indeed, and I recognise the length issue. Let's await a yes/no/alternate from Escape Orbit. If anyone else should join in this thread then that is fine but if not then, with the agreement of EO, we have ''de facto'' consensus. - ] (]) 07:26, 20 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::::I'm ok with that. I'd still lead with his Kardashian connection though. I don't follow ]'s problem with that being "influenced by a current TV show". What of it? If that's what he is currently best known for, then that's what he's best known for. Speculation (and that's all it is) about its future significance is pointless, let future editors worry about that. --<font color="purple">]</font> <sup>]</sup> 16:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC) |
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Read through ]. While most of it addresses deletion of an article, the concept is not to give undue weight to recent events. The four year history of the TV show has brought him to a whole new, younger audience. But he has been a known commodity for over 35 years. Jenner, in particular, has been through other spikes before. When he was on CHiPs, it was one of the top shows in the country. When they released the ] movie, ] was the big fad and during the run up to the movie (that bombed) he was on every morning talk show and in every entertainment rag. This stuff happens and dies down. WP is supposed to take a broader view of history than just the current flavor. ] (]) 18:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:Well that all hinges on whether you think recent events are being given undue weight, simply because they ''are'' recent. And does a stretch of four years in a successful TV show count as recentism? I would question that. |
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:But don't let this stop you implementing what was agreed above. --<font color="purple">]</font> <sup>]</sup> 18:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC) |
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== Picture == |
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I'm sorry but can we get a new picture of Bruce Jenner on here? The one we have up there makes it look like a retard with an additional neurological motor disorder stumbled around and found his way on stage and this picture was taken right before security had him removed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:58, 8 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== False advertising? == |
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There is coverage of litigation for false advertising, which was apparenly really only "a case of overzealousness" by staff. But what was the allegation about? What was alleged to be false? The article is incomplete witout this] (]) 05:44, 31 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:As I recall, the claim was that even though Jenner (the figurehead Olympic hero of 1976) was paid for endorsing Wheaties, he didn't actually eat them. So Jenner's testimony that he actually did eat them and liked them counteracted the claim. I think that is in the article, but if you feel there is a need for a rewrite, please contribute the improved wording. If you can't submit it to the protected page, put it here. I'll add it in. ] (]) 06:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC) |
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== 3rd wife == |
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This article says Kris jenners birthname is keibler but her Misplaced Pages page says houghton wuich i think is correct <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Plastic surgery and Jenner's face== |
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The article correctly mentions that he is noted for his plastic surgery . . . . but then doesn't talk any more about it. I for one would like to know what he had done (or what he tried to have done) that made him end up looking the way he does. To each his own, but he now looks like a freak to me, and I would like to know what did it. Maybe he just ended up having far too many operations (like "The Bride of Wildenstein"). If anybody knows or has links to articles describing how ended up looking like that, please insert into article. Thanks. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 08:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Edit request on 20 October 2013 == |
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{{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}} |
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<!-- Begin request -->Bruce Jenner played varsity basketball at Graceland College for one year, the 1970 - 1971 season.( I know this since I was a team member also)] (]) 14:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC) |
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] (]) 14:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)Terry Dennis, tadennis@cableone.com |
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:] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 15:05, 20 October 2013 (UTC) |
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== LGBT == |
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She should be categorized as a woman now. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:45, 15 December 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== american heros hidden shame == |
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his father was CANADIAN!!! http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=dowfam3&id=I315775 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:35, 25 December 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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{{Requested move/dated|Bridget Jenner}} |
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] → {{no redirect|Bridget Jenner}} – Major BLP concerns about how we identify Jenner and of MOS:IDENTITY, I believe there are major BLP issues with how we refer to Jenner as "he", despite sources also saying that her identity is female. ] (]) 18:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) |
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:I don't see any evidence of the name Bridget in the article and one source where he directly denied changing his sex. At the very least we will need evidence that he actually is calling himself Bridget.--] (]) 19:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC) |
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===Discussion=== |
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Why are the pronouns feminine? A person cannot changer their sex. There's a reason it's called transgender surgery and not transsexual surgery. Countryboy603 (talk) 01:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Seems way too sparse. What were his reactions? Did he (correct pronouns in Feb '15) have nothing to say? Were there no police reports? "Reports differ" carries way too much weight here. Stating he was "involved" is weaseling, did he or did he not bear responsibility for KILLING someone? Has she still remained silent after all these years? Surely this deserves more attention than some one-off appearance on TV.98.17.42.35 (talk) 19:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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