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== Edit request on 15 May 2013 ==

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please change http://en.wikipedia.org/Adi_Shankaracharya#Mathas to http://en.wikipedia.org/Advaita#Advaita%20Mathas for only Shishya name on table.

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] (]) 14:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

I could copy-paste the extended information into this article, but not right now; real life is waiting for me at this very moment. ] -] 17:39, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

: I must be missing something....I don't see the text http://en.wikipedia.org/Adi_Shankaracharya#Mathas anywhere in this article. So it was already taken care of...or wasn't needing to be taken care of in the first place. If there is still an error somewhere, please change the template back to no and provide more infomation onto where this link appears. Thanks! <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 18:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

::The link is incorrect; 117.237.194.209 means "copy ] into ]; the Advaita Vedanta article has got a longer section on this topic. ] -] 18:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

:::I've copied the info + the sources. greetings, ] -] 10:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


==Ādi Śaṅkarācāri==
In Southern India Ādi Śaṅkarācārya is very commonly called Ādi Śaṅkarācāri. Since the edit was deleted started this discussion. Please check Google books, Google search results to understand the same. Please check the following links , Please google non IAST spellings like Sankaracari, Sankarachari, Sankarachary to understand its popularity. ] (]) 11:58, 7 June 2013 (UTC)


== Vishwakarma claim == == Adi Sankara Caste ==


What is Adi Sankara Caste
My attention has recently been drawn once again to wild claims being made on Misplaced Pages by members of the Viskwakarma community. They make much of the work done by Alfred Edward Roberts, Proctor of Ceylon and author of ''Vishwakarma and his Descendants''. This is a very dubious work that in this particular context is quoting an equally dubious work, ie: an unspecified version of the '']''.


आचार्य शंकरो नाम त्वष्टा पुत्रों न संशयः' यह श्लोक है: आचार्य शंकरो नाम त्वष्टा पुत्रों न संशयः, विप्रकुल गुरू दीक्षा विश्वकर्मान्तु ब्राह्मणः. ] (]) 09:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
The ] entry for "Alfred Edward Roberts" , which is unusual for a scholar. The claim made in various of our articles, including this one, is that Roberts held an official position as proctor in Ceylon. A proctor at that time in that place was an appointed legal official, although he is not named in Arnold Wright's fairly comprehensive nor can I find him in the '']'' of the period. You'll find almost nothing but ourselves and mirrors for his name and location on and there is nothing accessible to me at other than a couple of snippets (eg: on p. 159 of ) which note that the name was in fact a pseudonym and seems to be suggesting that the work "attempted a truly spectacular coup" on behalf of the Viswakarma community.


:Yes your correct ] (]) 16:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I can find nothing to indicate of whom AER might be a pseudonym or even if that person had any official standing anywhere. Given the massive interest that the Brits had in (usually amateurish and now-discredited) recountings of the ethnography of India, especially in the period of publication, there was no shame in him using his real-life name and I am unaware of a single major figure of that period who did.
::@] Use English: This is the English-language Misplaced Pages; discussions should normally be conducted in English. If using another language is unavoidable, try to provide a translation, or get help at ]. Do not expect readers to translate your content themselves, not even when modern browsers have machine translation built-in. {{Shortcut|WP:ENGLISHPLEASE}} ] (]) 03:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Vishwakarma and his descendants by Alfred Edward Robert chapter number 3 please read it This book written in 1904 is an honest account but all the books considered by Misplaced Pages as evidence are from 2000 eras and they are all written with the intention of making Jagad Guru a Namboothiri Brahmin, therefore taking the history written by Alfred Edward Robert as a proof, pleads that Jagad Guru's caste should be Vishwa Brahmin. ] (]) 07:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)


== Adi Shankara cast ==
Drilling down on the Roberts Worldcat entry gives . What qualification a lawyer might have to author an 80-page book about a native community is a complete mystery to me. It seems likely to have been published originally in 1909 by a Vishwakarma publisher and then re-published as a second edition in 1946 by a ] whom I am reasonably suspicious will turn out also to have been Vishwakarma. The pandit title is often self-proclaimed or recognised only by members of the community of whom the person is a member. Two of the variants at Worldcat also refer to a co-author called Ratnajinendra Rabel Ratnawira - this latter person gets and that is for this book. My suspicion is that at best Roberts, like so many British administrators of his type and era, relied on folklore accounts given to him by locals of dubious merit; like many of them - eg: ] - he (Roberts) may not even have understood the language. For all we know, Roberts and Ratnawira may have been the same person.


Acharya Shankaro Naam Tvashta Putron Na Sanshayah' This verse is: Acharya Shankaro Naam Tvashta Putron Na Sanshayah, Viprakula Guru Diksha Vishwakarmantu Brahmanah. This is Shankara Vijaya Sloka which means that Adi Shankara was the son of a bronze sculptor. ] (]) 15:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
It is well-known to those of us who work in the caste area of Misplaced Pages that puffery is common and it is my belief that this book was likely being used for that purpose at the time of publication and is so now. More, the existence of such puffed-up claims are acknowledged by academics, notably ] in his seminal study of the ] process. I'd go so far as to suggest that the original publication may have been more or less an academic hoax. There are no citations of him or his book at ], other than p. 165 of , which appears to indicate that the original 1909 publication was indeed made by a Vishwakarma advocacy group. There are no citations of him or his book at GBooks other than in the context already referred to above (ie: the pseudonym aspect). The ] are well-known for making a claim of Brahmin status that is generally not accepted by any other community. That claim has been pushed tendentiously on Misplaced Pages by self-identified community members, usually by citing Roberts, and we really do need to put a stop to this. - ] (]) 03:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)


:We need to use a reliable reference for the sentence and for the translation you have given.{{Shortcut|WP:RS}} ] (]) 02:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
:BTW, for anyone who enjoys the idea of having bleeding eyes, feel free to read ] where this type of nonsense has been going on for years. This time round, I've had enough and I'm going to fix it properly. - ] (]) 03:49, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
::To make
::Brahmaya
::In verity this crown-making
::caste (the Visvakarma caste) is directly descended from
::Brahmaya.”
::Noi only were the five sons of Visvakarma Brahmins by
::birth, but all these who are by birth members of the Visva-
::karma caste have also a ‘claim to that origin and a right. to
::‘that name. As the Brahman sprang from Brahma’s mouth,
::as he was the first born, and as he possesses the Vedas, he is,
::by right the lord of the whole creation. (Manu I. 93, p. 25.)
::2
::The-name ‘“‘Jagatguru,” the teacher of the world, is a
::distinction to-which the people of the Visvakarma caste. alone
::‘are entitled. (Winslow’s Dictionary) When the world-
::famed Sankaracharya of Travancore, the founder of the
::Advaita School of Philosophy, which is Buddhism in dis-
::Suise, halted at Masulipatam, he styled himself seta oe
::The Dewakammalars of South India, who were very jealous
::of their title, incensed at an apparent imposter trying to
::ussume what was their own exclusive. property, questionted.
::his right to the distinction, when the celebrated philosopher
::sang the following lines :—-
::“Achiry6é Sankaré nama,
::“Twashta putrGé nasansaya,
::‘Viprakula gurérdiksha,
::“Visvakarmantu Brabsana.”
::“My name is Sankaraichdrya, T am a descendant of ‘ft apne
::l-have come here to teach the Vipras the right of ney Ur
::‘the sacred thread. I am a Brahmin of the Fapeatie
::caste.’ (Sankara Vijaya.) This is irrebutiable proof that
::the people of the Visvakarma caste are Brahmins.
::Vishwakarma and his descendants by Albert Edward Robert chapter number 3 first edition 1904 ] (]) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)


== Adi Shankaracharya caste ==
:: why dont you remove this two worthless citations http://who.is/whois/advaita-vedanta.org and http://who.is/whois/exoticindiaart.com used to clime namboothiri caste ? this third party private websites have any academical credential ? adi shankaracharya was born in brahmin family not namboothiri or vishwakarma remove caste section from there until we get clear information <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 04:49, 28 September 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


To make
:::Gopalan, your observation of the poor sourcing of that content is indeed accurate, and I have therefore removed it from the article. Her is that was removed, in case you or some other editor wish to find better sources for it. ] (]) 04:58, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Brahmaya
In verity this crown-making


== Adi Shankara Caste ==
{{cot|reason=Both of you were warned in this very thread that I would collapse it if you continued to argue the toss about something that is based entirely on original research & often has little to do with this article. Please go read ] and take your discussion off-Wiki. - ] (]) 17:39, 11 March 2014 (UTC)}}
Shankaracharya himself stated that he was belong to Viswakarma community through his books. Then why is this debates?


caste (the Visvakarma caste) is directly descended from
The sloka "Acharyo sankarao nama, Twostha putra nisamshaya, Viprakula gurordweeksha, Vishwakarman thu Brahmana." reveals the same! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:As a general rule, the reason why people want to see the caste of other people mentioned in Misplaced Pages articles is because it reflects well on themselves, not because it is particularly relevant. This is also the reason why the caste of "uncomplimentary" people (criminals, for example) often seems to be ignored. Caste is a social construct and in almost all cases has no bearing on why a person's life is significant, although there are well-known exceptions (eg: Ambedkar).<p>I've no idea why Adi Shankara's caste has any bearing on his notability but I do know that the shloka and various other things have been and gone in this article. Can you find any modern ] that mention his caste and explain why it is significant to his life? Members of the Vishwakarma community are among the most vociferous of ]-pushers here on Misplaced Pages, so the sources and rationale for inclusion will need to be impeccable. - ] (]) 21:49, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I dont know, why people are considering only modern sources as a reliable one! To know about Sankaracharya, the oldest books are the reliable source because he was a historic person.
The sloka "Acharyo sankarao nama, Twostha putra nisamshaya, Viprakula gurordweeksha, Vishwakarman thu Brahmana." is from ShankaraVijayam. It is written by himself. We cant produce more reliable one than Shankaras books.
An auto biography or diary is more reliable than the words of others.
If somebody is trying to study about Hinduism, he or she should study the Vedas. Because Vedas are the base of Hinduism. For this there modern books are nothing comparing with Vedas. Like that, To know about Shankaracharya, we should consider his own books.
We should consider at least his names. From the ancient period itself, in his '''native place Kerala''' he is well known as ''''Adi Shankarachari' or 'Adi Shankaracharya'. Both the surnames Achari and Acharya are the common surnames of Viswakarma Brahmins of Kerala'''.--] (]) 20:03, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


: Please give shankara vijaya's page number and details <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:15, 30 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::]ji the Origial Shankara Vijaya by Anandagiri used to cite Shankara's birth place as Chidambaram and it has been edited to Kalady in subsequent editions? So are editings being done with the original texts? Shouldn't the originals be maintained as they are? The page 32 of "Kanchi Kamakoti Math, a Myth" by Varanasi Raj Gopal Sharma cites "Even the Kanchi Math in the re-edited text of Anandagiri Shankara Vijayam has taken off Chidambaram and named Khalati as the place of birth". ] (]) 04:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
::: All newly printed shankara vijays are not with the Original story, we have to find 100+ years old shankara vijaya to get real birth details of shankaracharya but it is difficult to find original one because there is lot of shankara vijaya written by historians and conspiracy theorists <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:: ] According to vedas and purana there is only one brahmin caste they are ] but in wikipedia somebody trying to erase original history <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 11:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::: There is a snippet preview of the same available here ''Kanchi Kamakoti Math, a Myth'',by Varanasi Raj Gopal Sharma ] (]) 15:41, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:::: Snippet view here, too. Such views are not acceptable and, in any case, I doubt that source is reliable. I really do think that you lot should give up on this: it doesn't seem to be terribly important anyway, except perhaps for the purposes of reflected glory and your own vanity. - ] (]) 15:56, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
::::: "except perhaps for the purposes of reflected glory and your own vanity." I am trying to bring up facts here. I guess a snippet preview helps visually seeing the actual source. Also since we just went through this ANI complaint I would rather avoid engaging you with discussions other then the source. Could you kindly point out why you think this source is not reliable other than going into other details? ] (]) 16:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::"Visually seeing" isn't what's important. What matters is reliable sources and the ability to take individual citations from them within the proper context. Using Google snippets, especially in contested articles, is not acceptable. I admit I find it very, very difficult to follow the discussion (because of sub-par punctuation and grammar in some of the contributions here by Masterjith and the IP editor), but questions of what's reliable or not are of the utmost importance and should, in the case of dispute, be answered at ]. Google snippets are never a substitute for the real thing. Ganesh, I suggest you stop linking to that now-closed ANI thread: it blew up in your face, and your use of the link as a tool to blackball Sitush is not acceptable. Thank you. ] (]) 16:51, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::If that ANI thread has blown my face I should be worried about it and not Sitush. Thanks for suggesting ] I will try and learn to use the same. ] (]) 17:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


Brahmaya.”
::::::Ganesh, the first half of at RSN may help you regarding snippets. The book that you link may be pseudo-history of the type peddled by Ishwar Sharan but in any event if no-one can see it then it is by default unreliable. I can find '''one''' citation of it - - but it is not encouraging ("supposed" is vague and the point is not developed). Pseudo-history is a big problem with Indian authors who write of these ancient times. - ] (]) 17:42, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Does wikipidia now require to publish entire page/books hereafter? That would be ]. Which is why google books is only showing a snippet preview and not the entire page. So, what is that now wikipedians are expecting to do? As per the legal requirement one is not supposed to publish/quote more than the text that is actually required. If that snippet preview is not clarifying the context there is no way one can quote more than that or otherwise it is a legal violation. Curious wikipedians wanting to know the entire facts must buy the book.


:::::::Again in this case the line on that "snippet" explains it well. Does anyone have any doubt that it can have other context then the one cited? If the source says "Even the Kanchi Math in the re-edited text of Anandgiri Shankara Vijayam has taken off. Chidambaram and named Kalati as the place of birth"? Editorial standards required one to ''read the source as a whole''. This preview is presenting the whole context, what more is required?


Noi only were the five sons of Visvakarma Brahmins by
:::::::Sitush, time and again you have expressed such sentiments "except perhaps for the purposes of reflected glory and your own vanity.". If that is what it was I would have not fixed the above J.A.H.R.S. reference. Also, w.r.t to my vanity I am as anyone else in the world a progenitor of GOD thyself. So, don't worry about my vanity since GOD is the purest of all, the vanity will never taint. If at all I show any kind of bias it is my personal vanity that will effect. Also I thank to GOD that I could detect that before anyone else could. Also if a bias is introduced someone or the other will pick it up and it will only bring in Shame which I am well aware of. So, don't worry I would not introduce a bias deliberately for but obvious reasons. Also it is a request not to quote these and stick to the ''technicalities of the source'' or otherwise one is bound to clarify.
birth, but all these who are by birth members of the Visva-
karma caste have also a ‘claim to that origin and a right. to
‘that name. As the Brahman sprang from Brahma’s mouth,
as he was the first born, and as he possesses the Vedas, he is,
by right the lord of the whole creation. (Manu I. 93, p. 25.)


:::::::Also when this is quoted in Rig Veda "Mighty in mind and power is Visvakarman, Maker, Disposer, and most lofty Presence. Their offerings joy in rich juice where they value One, only One, beyond the Seven Ṛṣis. Father who made us, he who, as Disposer, knoweth all races and all things existing" ... "What was the germ primeval which the waters received where all the Gods were seen together? The waters, they received that germ primeval wherein the Gods were gathefed all together. It rested set upon the Unborn's navel, that One wherein abide all things existing. Ye will not find him who produced these creatures: another thing hath risen up among you." http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10082.htm there is no way he will turn out someone else at all. ] (]) 12:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
::Sankaracharya cannot be in Visvakarma caste because Viswakarma is a caste of recent origin. It was not in existence in the period of Sankara. Actually it is not a caste, it is a collection of castes - Thachans, Asaris, Kollans, Thattans etc. Earlier, these castes were collectively known as Kammalas in Kerala and Tamil Nadu. The people of these castes never enjoyed the Brahminical Status in the society. Visvakarma is fabricated caste. In the old texts, the term Visvakarma is not used as the name of a caste. It is used exactly in the same meaning of the word. Once again, I emphasis that the name Visvakarma is not used as the name of a Caste in the old Vedas, puranas, smiritis, and mahakavyas. Any claim based on the old texts are fake. Overall the Visvakarma Caste is a caste(collection of castes) of recent origin claiming Brahminical Status. It is also notable that a lot of educated people in the castes such as Kollans, Thattans are actually against the false and useless claim for Brahminical Status. --] (]) 17:24, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
::: ] 1. please read "Ch. 67 -Original Cause of All Causes" as narrated by ] to understand who the current Viswabrahmins are.
::: 2. One name for Parabrahma is Visvakarma... so everyone born from Parabrahma should belong to Visvakarma Caste? You wrote "Viswakarma is a caste of recent origin"... from when since ] is of recent origin? ] (]) 09:13, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
::::This page is for discussion of improvements to ''this'' article, not some general back-and-forth about Vishwakarmas. Please can the pair of you drop this now. - ] (]) 12:04, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
::Mr. ], I dont know from which place you belongs to . Whatever I told is true about Kerala. Theoretically or poetically you can interpret things in different ways like ''Parabrahma is Visvakarma... so everyone born from Parabrahma should belong to Visvakarma Caste'' . But it is not necessary to admit your interpretations by others. According to history of Kerala, and in the sense the term Caste is used by our present society there were no caste called Visvakarma. I am using the term "Caste" in the real sense - exactly in the same sense that our official documents, Government system, reservation system, etc. are using. (Not in the sense of "all human being belongs to the same caste" or based on your interpretations. If you want to make it in such a way, you have to change the whole society first and redefine the term "Caste" first. Then make such arguments). In the actual sense, there were no caste called Visvakama. It is a caste fabricated in 19th or 20th century to accommodate a cluster of castes. For saying this, I refer my Society itself. Nothing else is needed. If you have some doubts, come in Kerala and check up with people. You and I know what is reality. Then why this waste exercise to place Visvakarma as Brahmins. And, as if you are saying all are Brahmins, then why are you getting worried about the caste of Sankaracharya. All belongs to the same caste ..na? And now to you.. ], I know this page is for discussion of improvements to ''this'' article. But what to do.. these so called Vivakarmans have started some Wikikarma to put Sankaracharya in to a caste named Visvakarma. They are little bothered about the historical and sociological reliability and importance of such articles. Bhagvan unhem satbuddhi deim.--] (]) 15:14, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


::Just ignore the POV pushing. If this thread continues as it has been doing, I'll collapse the entire thing. It's not as if anyone is even providing decent sources to support their positions. Go discuss it somewhere off Misplaced Pages. - ] (]) 15:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
::: ] All in this universe including Birds, Insects, Reptiles and all type of Living Beings Including the Humans are Vishwakarmas by caste, but all are not Brahmins. Shankaracharya was born a Brahmin? Any which ways I suspect you are an impostor and not at a Nambudiri as well. I have many Namboothiri friends and I know how gracefully they speak. Let it be a Brahmin, or any other respected Varna, it hardly matters until everyone is duty bound to Lord as until then everyone is equal and part of the same Purusha. I guess the Andhra Historical Research Society, Rajahmundry which contained the above query did not so far conclude anything about Alfred Edward Roberts' important reference "Visvakarma and his descendants", and on the other hand editor ] here started writing provoking comments without credible inferences? Who's pushing the POV?


::: Also why did LORD Indra incur brahma-hatya (the sinful reaction for killing a brahmana;) on killing Viśvarūpa who was son of Twastha? Manu, Maya, Twastha, Shilpi and Visvajna are brothers and the fore fathers of the current Vishwakarmas who are also called Kammalans in both Tamil Nadu, Kerala. If you are a real Nambudiri and not a fake ID, and are actually reading the Shastras why are these queries in front of you? Shankaracharya was born a brahmana? ] (]) 17:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2014 ==


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Regarding the birth of Adi Sankara,information is missing with respect to his community, family and parents. There is enough evidence based on works and folklore to establish that he was born to Namboodiri Brahmin community. His father's name is Shivaguru and mother Arya; which is a very common name among Namboodiri women. His father's house name is Kaipilly Mana and mother's house name Melpazhoor Mana. The landlord Pana Mana Namboodiries of Kalady owned the Manickamangalam Durga Bhagavathy temple where Adi Sankara's father served as priest. Both Pana Mana family and Melpazhoor family got minor curse from Adi Sankara since they ignored him becuase of his early initiation to ascetism without entering Grihasthashrama.


Also Melpazhoor Namboothiries burnt their own padippura (gate house building) which had many works of Adi Sankara leading to the curse. Also Sankaracharya had met Chera Kulasekhara Emperor Rajasekhara. Chera kingdom being Tamil is also debatable. Chera was given control of Kerala by Parashurama who brought Namboodiries from north India. It is historically incorrect to think that malayalam as a spoken language came to existance only after 800 AD.It is now classified as classical language (2013)


The-name ‘“‘Jagatguru,” the teacher of the world, is a
Dear Jackmcbarn,
distinction to-which the people of the Visvakarma caste. alone
sir, I want you to consider my request to edit "Childhood" from "Shankara was born in Kaladi in present day central Kerala, the ancient Tamil kingdom of the Cheras" to "Shankara was born in Kaladi in present day central Kerala during the days of Keralite Chera kingdom, to a Namboodiri Brahmin couple. His father's name is Shivaguru and mother Arya; which is a very common name among Namboodiri women. His father's house name is Kaipilly Mana and mother's house name Melpazhoor Mana. The landlord Pana Mana Namboodiries of Kalady owned the Manickamangalam Durga Bhagavathy temple where Adi Sankara's father served as priest. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
‘are entitled. (Winslow’s Dictionary) When the world-
famed Sankaracharya of Travancore, the founder of the
Advaita School of Philosophy, which is Buddhism in dis-
Suise, halted at Masulipatam, he styled himself seta oe
The Dewakammalars of South India, who were very jealous
of their title, incensed at an apparent imposter trying to
ussume what was their own exclusive. property, questionted.
his right to the distinction, when the celebrated philosopher
sang the following lines :—-


Dear Arjayay,


“Achiry6é Sankaré nama,
Sir,
“Twashta putrGé nasansaya,
Some proofs
‘Viprakula gurérdiksha,
“Visvakarmantu Brabsana.”


http://www.chinfo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67


“My name is Sankaraichdrya, T am a descendant of ‘ft apne
A research by the University of Wisconsin, Madison, USA (On adi sankara's mother's house)
l-have come here to teach the Vipras the right of ney Ur
‘the sacred thread. I am a Brahmin of the Fapeatie
caste.’ (Sankara Vijaya.) This is irrebutiable proof that
the people of the Visvakarma caste are Brahmins. ] (]) 12:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)


== Adi shagarajarya cast ==
http://www.chinfo.org/pdf.php?id=66


Vishvakarma And His Descendents by Alfred Edward robert 1904 chapter number 3 page 12 please read it adi shagarajarya is vishwakarma cast ] (]) 10:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
About Viswakarma
Also, Viswakarma people are not Brahmins. They do not learn vedas. They do not follow any smarta tradition, dharma sootras, grihya and srouta traditio like Namboodiries. They are carpenter and sculptor castes. They may wear sacred thread in some occassion and learn the moola mantra of a God or Godess as they are idol makers , but that doesnt mean they are Brahmins. Namboodtiires follow Thyithireeya samhita, aranyaka and brahmnana of Krishna yajur veda, rig and sama vedas. Also follow the dharma , srouta , grihya traditions of Boudhayana, Vadhoolaka, Jaimini , Aswalayana and Koushitika. Namboodiries follow Vasishta seeksha in chanting yajur veda.None can be said about viswakarma
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:You are very right, this is a history written before the Namboothiris in Kerala walked in sandals, it was in 1904 but the histories considered by Misplaced Pages today are all from 2000 onwards. All of them were written only to depict Jaganguru Adi Shankaracharya as a Namboothiri Brahmin. Even the period of life given by them is different. When there is a dispute between two parties, historical articles written by a third party outside India should be checked. ] (]) 14:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Adi Shankaracharya cast ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2014 ==


Jagad Guru Adi Shankaracharya is a Mushari Brahmin of Vishwa Brahmin sect. It is mentioned in a book written in 1904 about the series of Vishwakarma that during the times when Jagad Guru Adi Shankaracharya lived, the titles of Brahmashree and Jagad Guru were entitled to the Vishwa Brahmin category which means that only technical wise Brahmins were chosen for such things. .Misplaced Pages checked the historical documents written since 2001 and made him a Namboothiri Brahmin. All such histories were written in India where he was intended to be a Namboothiri Brahmin and all of them belonged to the Brahmin community in India. But Alfred Edward Robert wrote this history in a country outside India in 1904. . I believe Misplaced Pages will correct this error. Adi Shankaracharya is a person who lived before Christ. None of the Namboothiri Brahmins of Kerala ever accept him as a Namboothiri Brahmin. ] (]) 15:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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sir, I want you to consider my request to edit "Childhood" from "Shankara was born in Kaladi in present day central Kerala, the ancient Tamil kingdom of the Cheras" to "Shankara was born in Kaladi in present day central Kerala during the days of Keralite Chera kingdom, to a Namboodiri Brahmin couple.His father's house name is Kaipilly Mana/Illam and mother's house name Melpazhoor Mana/Illam."


== Jagatguru aadi Shankaracharya surname ==
Some proofs
http://www.chinfo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=67
A research by the University of Wisconsin, Madison, USA (On adi sankara's mother's house)
http://www.chinfo.org/pdf.php?id=66


Jagad Guru Adi Shankaracharya's full name is Jagadguru Adi Shankaracharya During the times when Jagadguru Adi Shankaracharya lived, only Vishwa Brahmins were entitled to use the title of Jagad Guru or Brahmashree in Maharajya India. But modern historians have corrected it and made him a Nambutiri Brahmin, that's why Misplaced Pages doesn't add Jagadguru in front of his name? In India, the Vishwa Brahmin community addresses him as Jagad Guru Athyana Shankaracharya. ] (]) 14:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
His father's name is Shivaguru and mother Arya; which is a very common name among Namboodiri women.
:See ], and ], and please stop spamming this talkpage with trivia. ] - ] 16:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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] (]) 08:33, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
:::The articles written about the Ashari community in the Misplaced Pages pages are all written in the Emperor period, why they were accepted by Misplaced Pages and rejected by me as writings from the Emperor period. ] (]) 09:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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Adi Sankara Caste

What is Adi Sankara Caste

आचार्य शंकरो नाम त्वष्टा पुत्रों न संशयः' यह श्लोक है: आचार्य शंकरो नाम त्वष्टा पुत्रों न संशयः, विप्रकुल गुरू दीक्षा विश्वकर्मान्तु ब्राह्मणः. Prabhatv01 (talk) 09:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes your correct 2409:4073:497:A104:BE54:E931:4881:48D8 (talk) 16:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
@Prabhatv01 Use English: This is the English-language Misplaced Pages; discussions should normally be conducted in English. If using another language is unavoidable, try to provide a translation, or get help at Misplaced Pages:Embassy. Do not expect readers to translate your content themselves, not even when modern browsers have machine translation built-in. Shortcut KingParijata (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Vishwakarma and his descendants by Alfred Edward Robert chapter number 3 please read it This book written in 1904 is an honest account but all the books considered by Misplaced Pages as evidence are from 2000 eras and they are all written with the intention of making Jagad Guru a Namboothiri Brahmin, therefore taking the history written by Alfred Edward Robert as a proof, pleads that Jagad Guru's caste should be Vishwa Brahmin. Vipin Babu lumia (talk) 07:22, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Adi Shankara cast

Acharya Shankaro Naam Tvashta Putron Na Sanshayah' This verse is: Acharya Shankaro Naam Tvashta Putron Na Sanshayah, Viprakula Guru Diksha Vishwakarmantu Brahmanah. This is Shankara Vijaya Sloka which means that Adi Shankara was the son of a bronze sculptor. 2409:4073:497:A104:B705:6546:3E8B:F421 (talk) 15:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

We need to use a reliable reference for the sentence and for the translation you have given.Shortcut KingParijata (talk) 02:48, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
To make
Brahmaya
In verity this crown-making
caste (the Visvakarma caste) is directly descended from
Brahmaya.”
Noi only were the five sons of Visvakarma Brahmins by
birth, but all these who are by birth members of the Visva-
karma caste have also a ‘claim to that origin and a right. to
‘that name. As the Brahman sprang from Brahma’s mouth,
as he was the first born, and as he possesses the Vedas, he is,
by right the lord of the whole creation. (Manu I. 93, p. 25.)
2
The-name ‘“‘Jagatguru,” the teacher of the world, is a
distinction to-which the people of the Visvakarma caste. alone
‘are entitled. (Winslow’s Dictionary) When the world-
famed Sankaracharya of Travancore, the founder of the
Advaita School of Philosophy, which is Buddhism in dis-
Suise, halted at Masulipatam, he styled himself seta oe
The Dewakammalars of South India, who were very jealous
of their title, incensed at an apparent imposter trying to
ussume what was their own exclusive. property, questionted.
his right to the distinction, when the celebrated philosopher
sang the following lines :—-
“Achiry6é Sankaré nama,
“Twashta putrGé nasansaya,
‘Viprakula gurérdiksha,
“Visvakarmantu Brabsana.”
“My name is Sankaraichdrya, T am a descendant of ‘ft apne
l-have come here to teach the Vipras the right of ney Ur
‘the sacred thread. I am a Brahmin of the Fapeatie
caste.’ (Sankara Vijaya.) This is irrebutiable proof that
the people of the Visvakarma caste are Brahmins.
Vishwakarma and his descendants by Albert Edward Robert chapter number 3 first edition 1904 2409:4073:4E3E:8090:590C:12E1:7545:46AC (talk) 12:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Adi Shankaracharya caste

To make Brahmaya In verity this crown-making


caste (the Visvakarma caste) is directly descended from


Brahmaya.”


Noi only were the five sons of Visvakarma Brahmins by birth, but all these who are by birth members of the Visva- karma caste have also a ‘claim to that origin and a right. to ‘that name. As the Brahman sprang from Brahma’s mouth, as he was the first born, and as he possesses the Vedas, he is, by right the lord of the whole creation. (Manu I. 93, p. 25.)



2


The-name ‘“‘Jagatguru,” the teacher of the world, is a distinction to-which the people of the Visvakarma caste. alone ‘are entitled. (Winslow’s Dictionary) When the world- famed Sankaracharya of Travancore, the founder of the Advaita School of Philosophy, which is Buddhism in dis- Suise, halted at Masulipatam, he styled himself seta oe The Dewakammalars of South India, who were very jealous of their title, incensed at an apparent imposter trying to ussume what was their own exclusive. property, questionted. his right to the distinction, when the celebrated philosopher sang the following lines :—-


“Achiry6é Sankaré nama, “Twashta putrGé nasansaya, ‘Viprakula gurérdiksha, “Visvakarmantu Brabsana.”


“My name is Sankaraichdrya, T am a descendant of ‘ft apne l-have come here to teach the Vipras the right of ney Ur ‘the sacred thread. I am a Brahmin of the Fapeatie caste.’ (Sankara Vijaya.) This is irrebutiable proof that the people of the Visvakarma caste are Brahmins. 2409:4073:4E3E:8090:590C:12E1:7545:46AC (talk) 12:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Adi shagarajarya cast

Vishvakarma And His Descendents by Alfred Edward robert 1904 chapter number 3 page 12 please read it adi shagarajarya is vishwakarma cast 2409:4073:48C:F64D:0:0:5CB:58A0 (talk) 10:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You are very right, this is a history written before the Namboothiris in Kerala walked in sandals, it was in 1904 but the histories considered by Misplaced Pages today are all from 2000 onwards. All of them were written only to depict Jaganguru Adi Shankaracharya as a Namboothiri Brahmin. Even the period of life given by them is different. When there is a dispute between two parties, historical articles written by a third party outside India should be checked. Vipin Babu lumia (talk) 14:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Adi Shankaracharya cast

Jagad Guru Adi Shankaracharya is a Mushari Brahmin of Vishwa Brahmin sect. It is mentioned in a book written in 1904 about the series of Vishwakarma that during the times when Jagad Guru Adi Shankaracharya lived, the titles of Brahmashree and Jagad Guru were entitled to the Vishwa Brahmin category which means that only technical wise Brahmins were chosen for such things. .Misplaced Pages checked the historical documents written since 2001 and made him a Namboothiri Brahmin. All such histories were written in India where he was intended to be a Namboothiri Brahmin and all of them belonged to the Brahmin community in India. But Alfred Edward Robert wrote this history in a country outside India in 1904. . I believe Misplaced Pages will correct this error. Adi Shankaracharya is a person who lived before Christ. None of the Namboothiri Brahmins of Kerala ever accept him as a Namboothiri Brahmin. Vipin Babu lumia (talk) 15:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Jagatguru aadi Shankaracharya surname

Jagad Guru Adi Shankaracharya's full name is Jagadguru Adi Shankaracharya During the times when Jagadguru Adi Shankaracharya lived, only Vishwa Brahmins were entitled to use the title of Jagad Guru or Brahmashree in Maharajya India. But modern historians have corrected it and made him a Nambutiri Brahmin, that's why Misplaced Pages doesn't add Jagadguru in front of his name? In India, the Vishwa Brahmin community addresses him as Jagad Guru Athyana Shankaracharya. Vipin Babu lumia (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

See WP:HONORIFICS, and WP:RS, and please stop spamming this talkpage with trivia. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 16:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
I read your reply. The history written in the royal period which you say is obsolete is the true history. But all the histories written in the modern period are made by distorting the history written in the royal period. Does Misplaced Pages say that all the writings in the royal periods are wrong? 2409:4073:114:CAD4:EE0B:E647:C8D0:DCA2 (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
The articles written about the Ashari community in the Misplaced Pages pages are all written in the Emperor period, why they were accepted by Misplaced Pages and rejected by me as writings from the Emperor period. 2409:4073:114:CAD4:EE0B:E647:C8D0:DCA2 (talk) 09:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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