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:Every single time I have removed some section, it's since there are no grounds ever so far for the claims represented; the sources do not make such statement they are referred to support even, the sources are completely unreliable, etc. It is not my part to proove that "God doesn't exist". If one makes a claim without sources, it is his/her obligation to prove it right, not the other way around. ] (]) 20:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
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:That's pretty much my experiences in my rather small language version. Maybe I should just drift towards '''Citizendium''' (http://en.citizendium.org/Welcome_to_Citizendium) slowly xD ... How about your experiences Tony1? Which language edition you've been working with? ] (]) 19:23, 9 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
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