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"Notability criteria" can be more practically and efficiently met by referring to existing official guidelines or policy. Editors are encouraged to assess articles on grounds of ], ], ], and ] instead of resorting to vague words such as "notability". This concept does not override either the ] or any other existing policy; it simply encourages editors to use policy rather than the ''abstract concept of notability.'' | |||
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|style="text-align: center"| '''Lack of notability may indicate an article's misadherance to policy, but it is not in and of itself evidence of such.''' | |||
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== Definitions of "notable" == | |||
This essay is a proposition for being a guideline. It attempts to demonstrate both the proposed guideline, and justify the need for such guidelines. | |||
According to a dictionary, "notable" can refer to one of two general concepts: | |||
*"Notable" can mean "worthy of note". A "note" is a written record, so notable means "worthy of written records". | |||
*"Notable can refer to the concept of being important, significant, famous, unique, etc. | |||
Of these two definitions, only the first is in line with Misplaced Pages policy and practice. | |||
Many wikipedians have debated the issue of notability, or more precicely where to draw the line between what articles to keep and which to throw out. This policy discusses the meaning of notability in the context of Misplaced Pages, assesses the need for debating notability and advises caution in using notability as a criterion in and of itself. | |||
==Reasons for including articles on non-notable topics== | |||
== Introduction == | |||
* ] because they encourage new editors to join, and encourage new readers to read. | |||
Non-notability is a shorthand used by some editors to describe articles whose subject has not achieved sufficient attention to enable editors to verify that it is covered neutrally. Above all, ], a collection of ''that which is already known'' and can be documented from ]. | |||
* ] because most would not be ]. | |||
* ] nearly as many system resources as articles that are read and edited more often. | |||
* ] | |||
==Ways of improving non-notable articles== | |||
Common problems advanced regarding articles on non-notable subjects include: | |||
An article on a non-notable subject can develop in various ways: | |||
# The may contain unverified or ] information. | |||
# They might contain ]. | |||
# They might represent a ] point of view. | |||
# They might violate some other widely accepted policy or guideline such as ]. | |||
# They might not be understandable to, or read by, a significant number of people. | |||
# They may not attract sufficient editors to keep the article up to quality. | |||
# They clutter categories. | |||
# They take up system resources. | |||
# Articles that lack quality can be tagged as such, or readers can judge for themselves that a page is not written with the same standards as other articles. A suggested fix is to specially mark articles of quality, and also articles without quality. | |||
Some of these are valid, others are not. ] and the fact that a subject is understandable or interesting only to a few people does not necessarily make it unencyclopaedic. We have numerous Wikiprojects which exist to maintain specialist content areas such as mathematics, history or even Pokémon. Sub-categories can be created for less important subjects. Note that in the end it is ''policy'' which matters, especially the ] and the core policies of ], ] and ]. And although Misplaced Pages is not paper, there are ] as well. | |||
# Categories can be reorganized or further split off to form smaller more specific categories in which to place topics of differing degrees of fame. | |||
# Articles on non-verifiable subjects, or topics that directly violate official policy leave themselves open to being deleted. | |||
These solutions are proposed to fix any potential problems associated with having articles of varying quality and size on Misplaced Pages (this happens anyhow, notwithstanding non-notability). Articles on topics which "will be significant one day" may fall foul of "]". The subject should be judged as it is known now outside Misplaced Pages, not the current or potential content. Some articles are said to be incapable of being written in a ] fashion - however that is simply another crystal-ball judgement on the integrity of future editors. | |||
Soe reasons why non-notable subjects may not be a problem: | |||
# They may simply not violate any policies or guidelines. | |||
# Lack of apparent notability might indicate ] | |||
# They may be interesting to more people than you think. | |||
# They may be reoccuring pages that, once deleted, reappear because editors repeatedly think an article should be written about the certain subject. | |||
# Lack of easy verifiability might be down to ]. | |||
# They may be stubs about significant subjects which can grow and improve over time. | |||
# Deleting non-notable articles may be a controversial and time-consuming procedure. | |||
# Deleting articles based on non-notability alone may cause some users to be frustrated with wikipedia. | |||
One exception is ]. These articles require careful handling, and articles which are uncomplimentary and hard to verify should be fixed or deleted as soon as possible. | |||
Some of these might be valid reasosns for keeping an article, others might not. For example, we sometimes deliberately keep and expand articles on subjects from lesser-known parts of the world in order to ]. However many times an article on a crank theory is created, it will always remain a crank theory. While it is not our job to predict the future, it is our job to remove biased information that cannot be covered neutrally from reliable secondary sources. | |||
'''<span style="font-size:medium;">Improve the article</span>''' | |||
Deleting "non-notable" information may also be seen as frustrating and punishing to (usually new) users for editing - ]. | |||
:Follow the suggestions in the {{template|Sofixit}} template, and ]! Edit the article so that it establishes the importance of the subject. Let's say you come across this stub: | |||
::'''Eric Moussambani''' is a swimmer from Equatorial Guinea. | |||
==Ways of fixing non-notable articles== | |||
An article on a non-notable subject can go one of a number of ways: | |||
:Verifiable, factual, neutral, but fails to make any assertion of importance. But we know there is more to it than that! How about expanding it to read: | |||
# No solution can be had for articles on non-veriable subjects, or topics that directly violate official policy. | |||
# Articles that lack quality can be tagged as such - or readers can simply judge for themselves that a page is simply not written with the same standards as other articles - a suggested fix is to specially mark articles of quality, and also articles without quality. | |||
# Categories can be reorganized or further split off to form smaller more specific categories in which to place topics of any amount of fame. | |||
# System resources should almost never be considered when contemplating keeping information vs not keeping information. | |||
::'''Eric "The Eel" Moussambani''' is a swimmer from Equatorial Guinea who achieved worldwide fame after finishing in the slowest time ever recorded in the Men's 100m Freestyle finals at the 2000 Summer Olympics. Moussambani had never seen a 50m pool before the competition. | |||
These solutions are proposed to fix any potential problems associated with having articles of varying quality and size on wikipedia - as is the case notwithstanding non-notable articles. Articles are in some cases said to not be able to be written in a ] fashion; this can be fixed. Articles on things which "will be significanct one day" may fall foul of ] - judge the subject, as it is known now outside Misplaced Pages, not the current or potential content. | |||
:The subject now asserts importance! The problem is gone. | |||
One exception is ] - these articles require careful handling, and articles which are uncomplimentary and hard to verify should be fixed or deleted as soon as possible. | |||
'''<span style="font-size:medium;">Merging</span>''' | |||
=== See {{template|sofixit}} === | |||
:Information which is verifiable can be merged into a more major article, so as to make the information easier to find and manage (but not so as to give it ]). If merging the information would put ''undue weight'' on a main article; '''and''' the separating out of the information does not constitute a ]; '''and''' it does not violate official policy or guidelines, then the information may be kept on its own page rather than merged. '''However''', note also that though a minority view may be spelled out in great detail, to maintain our ] it should not be represented as the truth. Further, the separate page should refer back to the main article. | |||
]! Edit the article so that it establishes the importance of the subject. Let's say you come across this stub: | |||
'''<span style="font-size:medium;">Userfying</span>''' | |||
:'''Eric Moussambani''' is a swimmer from Equatorial Guinea. | |||
:Articles about garage bands whose lead singer matches the name of the user who created the article are a common occurrence on Misplaced Pages, and are frequent cases of non-notable content. These and similar instances can be ] by any editor, and the remaining redirect can be tagged for ] as a cross-namespace redirect. You can leave a polite notice such as {{template|nn-userfy}} to explain what you did, and why (and don't forget to {{template|Welcome}} them!). | |||
'''<span style="font-size:medium;">Transwiki</span>''' | |||
Verifiable, factual, neutral, but fails to make any claim of notability. But we know there is more to it than that! How about expanding it to read: | |||
:Some information which has no place in an encyclopedia can find a happy home in a sister project such as ]. However, most wikibook information not suitable for wikipedia can be condensed and summarized so that it is encyclopedic. | |||
'''<span style="font-size:medium;">Tagging for cleanup</span>''' | |||
:'''Eric "The Eel" Moussambani''' is a swimmer from Equatorial Guinea who achieved worldwide fame after finishing in the slowest time ever recorded in the Men's 100m Freestyle finals at the 2000 Summer Olympics. Moussambani had never seen a 50m pool before the competition. | |||
:The {{template|Notability}} template is one of many standard templates which can be applied to an article which fails to establish the importance of its subject. See the ] page for more details of these. | |||
'''<span style="font-size:medium;">Deleting</span>''' | |||
The subject is notable! The problem is gone. | |||
:If an article cannot be merged or by nature of the subject conform to policy, then it can be ] if sufficient consensus is reached, via ], ], or ]. '''Now for an important caveat:''' This is a last resort and should only be used if the ''subject'' of the article is the problem, rather than the article's ''content''. Indeed, it is most likely a failing of the article content if it fails to explain why the subject is notable, so always try to fix content before deleting a subject. If the subject ] that the article cannot be improved, then it is a ] and should be listed there after a reasonable amount of time per ] or ]. | |||
== Misconceptions - Non-notability is not...== | |||
=== Merging === | |||
Non-notability is often assumed to be equivalent or related to one or more of the deficiencies listed in the following subsections. These are not allowed on Misplaced Pages for their own individual reasons, under specific policies or guidelines. When deciding an article's worthiness for Misplaced Pages, be sure the article is judged against these specific criteria, not against notability '']''. | |||
One is encouraged to '''merge''' that information which is verifiable, and verifiably significant, onto a main article - so as to make the information easier to find and easier to manage. Once a main article gets too large, its component peices can be split off to form their own articles (forking), although there are some restrictions on this. Leave a redirect behind, with the page history, to comply with ]. | |||
===]=== | |||
However, if there is a significant amount of information that would put ] on the main article, it might be better too keep the information on separate pages (although note that sometimes the existence of a separate article in and of itself constitutes undue weight, for example in the case of a minor theory with few adherents). | |||
All information on Misplaced Pages must be written from an accessible and ]. While non-verifiable information is often not notable either (such as what I have in my pocket), in many cases non-notable information is verifiable. For example, ] is a little known quantum theory but is certainly verifiable. Something is verifiable only if it can be substantiated from ] that can be verified '''by wikipedians'''. It is not sufficient for an article to be simply theoretically verifiable. If the only source about something is its promoter and their press releases, it is not verifiable. Look for multiple non-trivial mentions in independent academic or mainstream publications: the article must be verifiable from ''reliable secondary sources''. | |||
<blockquote style="text-align: center;">"''It isn't the lack of '''fame''' that makes the page objectionable, it's the lack of verifiability.''"<br /> | |||
=== Userfying === | |||
– Jimbo Wales ()</blockquote> | |||
Articles about garage bands whose lead singer matches the name of the user who created the article are a common occurrence on Misplaced Pages - possibly the most common source of non-notable content. These can be ] by any editor and the remaining redirect tagged for ] as a cross-namespace redirect. You can leave a polite notice such as {{template|nn-userfy}} to explain what you did, and why (and don't forget to {{template|welcome}} them!). | |||
===]=== | |||
=== Transwiki === | |||
Neutrality is non-negotiable. By extension we must not give ] to minor points of view. We must therefore be able to verify that a subject is covered neutrally. The section on undue weight notes however that minor points of view can be given as much attention as major points of view, in articles specifically devoted to those minor points of view. | |||
Some things which have no place in an encyclopaedia can find a happy home in a sister project such as ]. | |||
An article may not include information that arbitrarily favors one side or another. However, ] in non-notable articles (as in notable articles) is most often written by an editor who has knowledge or interest in the subject, and who may contribute intended or unintended bias. This is a fixable problem, and biased non-notable articles can just as easily be corrected as biased notable articles, provided that the subject has been covered widely enough that there is informed discussion available for reference. | |||
=== Tagging for cleanup === | |||
The {{template|importance}} template is one of many standard templates which can be applied to an article which does not establish its importance. See the ] page for more details of these. | |||
===]=== | |||
=== Deleting === | |||
In a paper encyclopedia, non-notable topics are not included for practical purposes. Misplaced Pages, however, is a very different model not confined by this limitation. As the word "encyclopedia" is defined by dictionaries, notability is not a requirement; '']'' is an encyclopedia, for instance. (Note that ''The Star Trek Encyclopedia'' differs from Misplaced Pages is several key ways, particularly in that it relies on one singular primary source and that it is in an ] style.) See also an ] which argues against the claim that "Minor issues are not encyclopedic". | |||
By consensus, if an article fails to assert the importance of its subject then it can be ], speedily or via ] or ]. This is a last resort and should only be used if the ''subject'' of the article is the problem, rather than the article's ''content''. Always try to fix content before deleting a subject. | |||
=== ] === | |||
==Non-notability is not== | |||
Non-notable articles may consist of large amounts of original research. However, this is definitely not always the case. Non-notable subjects are subject to the same scrutiny of original research as notable pages are. Misplaced Pages is not the place to premiere this research, notable or not. | |||
Because they often overlap, and because it is sometimes carelessly used, non-notability is often assumed to be equivalent to one or more of the following defenciencies which are not allowed on Misplaced Pages for their own, individual reasons. When deciding an article's worthiness for Misplaced Pages, be sure the article is judged against these specific problems. | |||
==See also== | |||
===]=== | |||
All information on Misplaced Pages must be written from an accessible and ]. While non-verfiable information is often not notable either (such as what I have in my pocket), in many casess non-notable information is verifiable. For example, ] is a little known quantum theory but is certainly verifiable. Something is verifiable only if it can be substantiated from ]. If the only source about something is its promoter and their press releases, it is not verifiable. Look for mutiple non-trivial mentions in independent academic or mainstream publications: it must be verifiable from ''reliable secondary sources''. | |||
'''Existing practice''' | |||
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* ] | |||
|"''It isn't the lack of '''fame''' that makes the page objectionable, it's the lack of verifiability.''" | |||
* ] | |||
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| - Jimbo Wales . | |||
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'''Proposals''' | |||
===]=== | |||
* ] — a failed proposal for defining "notability" in Misplaced Pages context | |||
Neutrality is non-negotiable. By extension we must not give undue prominence to minor points of view. We must therefore be able to verify that a subect is covered neutrally. | |||
* ] — a second failed proposal of this sort | |||
* ] — a new proposal of the same sort. | |||
'''Essays''' | |||
An article may not include information that arbitrarily favors one side or another. However, ] in non-notable articles (like in notable articles) is most often written by an editor who has knowledge or interest in the subject, and may contain intended or unintended bias. This is a fixable problem, and biased non-notable articles can just as easily be corrected as notable biased articles - provided that the subject has been covered widely enough that there is informed discussion available for reference. | |||
* ] | |||
* ], an essay arguing against the need for a formal notability policy. | |||
* ], an essay arguing the need for a formal notability policy. | |||
* ] (somewhat conflicting with the previous one). | |||
* ], an essay arguing that invoking non-notability for deletion can antagonize new users. | |||
* ], an essay advocating a non-subjective, workable notability criterion for Misplaced Pages. | |||
* ] | |||
] | |||
===Non-encyclopedic=== | |||
In a paper encyclopedia, non-notable topics were not included for practical purposes. Misplaced Pages, however, is a very different model not confined by this limitation. Therefore, what is non-encyclopedic in ] is not neccessarily non-encyclopedic here. As defined by a dictionary, an encyclopedia is marked by covering the span of human knowledge. An encyclopedic article on Misplaced Pages is one that is both ] and ], but is not ]. Therefore, a non-notable article is not neccessarily a non-encyclopedic article on wikipedia, provided it can be independently verified. | |||
==System resources== | |||
The financial burden of storage space should not be considered when writing. Storage cost is approximately two million words per penny! ] ] (who "maintain overall responsibility for all technical functions of the Foundation, including both hardware and software") has : "'Policy' shouldn't really concern itself with server load except in the most extreme of cases; keeping things tuned to provide what the user base needs is our job." In the event that Misplaced Pages cannot support itself, a decision will be initiated by server technicians, not editors. | |||
==See also== | |||
*] - A rejected proposal to not include non-notable articles | |||
*] - An essay on notability | |||
*] |
Latest revision as of 15:55, 13 July 2024
This is a failed proposal. Consensus for its implementation was not established within a reasonable period of time. If you want to revive discussion, please use the talk page or initiate a thread at the village pump. | Shortcut |
"Notability criteria" can be more practically and efficiently met by referring to existing official guidelines or policy. Editors are encouraged to assess articles on grounds of verifiability, original research, neutrality, and What wikipedia is not instead of resorting to vague words such as "notability". This concept does not override either the five pillars or any other existing policy; it simply encourages editors to use policy rather than the abstract concept of notability.
Definitions of "notable"
According to a dictionary, "notable" can refer to one of two general concepts:
- "Notable" can mean "worthy of note". A "note" is a written record, so notable means "worthy of written records".
- "Notable can refer to the concept of being important, significant, famous, unique, etc.
Of these two definitions, only the first is in line with Misplaced Pages policy and practice.
Reasons for including articles on non-notable topics
- Non-notable articles are beneficial because they encourage new editors to join, and encourage new readers to read.
- Non-notable articles will not flood wikipedia because most would not be verifiable.
- Non-notable articles would not waste nearly as many system resources as articles that are read and edited more often.
- Non-notable articles would be subject to the same scrutiny as notable topics.
Ways of improving non-notable articles
An article on a non-notable subject can develop in various ways:
- Articles that lack quality can be tagged as such, or readers can judge for themselves that a page is not written with the same standards as other articles. A suggested fix is to specially mark articles of quality, and also articles without quality.
- Categories can be reorganized or further split off to form smaller more specific categories in which to place topics of differing degrees of fame.
- Articles on non-verifiable subjects, or topics that directly violate official policy leave themselves open to being deleted.
These solutions are proposed to fix any potential problems associated with having articles of varying quality and size on Misplaced Pages (this happens anyhow, notwithstanding non-notability). Articles on topics which "will be significant one day" may fall foul of "Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball". The subject should be judged as it is known now outside Misplaced Pages, not the current or potential content. Some articles are said to be incapable of being written in a NPOV fashion - however that is simply another crystal-ball judgement on the integrity of future editors.
One exception is living people. These articles require careful handling, and articles which are uncomplimentary and hard to verify should be fixed or deleted as soon as possible.
Improve the article
- Follow the suggestions in the {{Sofixit}} template, and be bold! Edit the article so that it establishes the importance of the subject. Let's say you come across this stub:
- Eric Moussambani is a swimmer from Equatorial Guinea.
- Verifiable, factual, neutral, but fails to make any assertion of importance. But we know there is more to it than that! How about expanding it to read:
- Eric "The Eel" Moussambani is a swimmer from Equatorial Guinea who achieved worldwide fame after finishing in the slowest time ever recorded in the Men's 100m Freestyle finals at the 2000 Summer Olympics. Moussambani had never seen a 50m pool before the competition.
- The subject now asserts importance! The problem is gone.
Merging
- Information which is verifiable can be merged into a more major article, so as to make the information easier to find and manage (but not so as to give it undue weight). If merging the information would put undue weight on a main article; and the separating out of the information does not constitute a point of view fork; and it does not violate official policy or guidelines, then the information may be kept on its own page rather than merged. However, note also that though a minority view may be spelled out in great detail, to maintain our neutral point of view it should not be represented as the truth. Further, the separate page should refer back to the main article.
Userfying
- Articles about garage bands whose lead singer matches the name of the user who created the article are a common occurrence on Misplaced Pages, and are frequent cases of non-notable content. These and similar instances can be moved to the user's space by any editor, and the remaining redirect can be tagged for speedy deletion as a cross-namespace redirect. You can leave a polite notice such as {{nn-userfy}} to explain what you did, and why (and don't forget to {{Welcome}} them!).
Transwiki
- Some information which has no place in an encyclopedia can find a happy home in a sister project such as wikibooks. However, most wikibook information not suitable for wikipedia can be condensed and summarized so that it is encyclopedic.
Tagging for cleanup
- The {{Notability}} template is one of many standard templates which can be applied to an article which fails to establish the importance of its subject. See the cleanup resources page for more details of these.
Deleting
- If an article cannot be merged or by nature of the subject conform to policy, then it can be deleted if sufficient consensus is reached, via Speedy deletion, Proposed deletion, or Articles for deletion. Now for an important caveat: This is a last resort and should only be used if the subject of the article is the problem, rather than the article's content. Indeed, it is most likely a failing of the article content if it fails to explain why the subject is notable, so always try to fix content before deleting a subject. If the subject so obscure that the article cannot be improved, then it is a candidate for speedy deletion and should be listed there after a reasonable amount of time per CSD-A1 or CSD-A3.
Misconceptions - Non-notability is not...
Non-notability is often assumed to be equivalent or related to one or more of the deficiencies listed in the following subsections. These are not allowed on Misplaced Pages for their own individual reasons, under specific policies or guidelines. When deciding an article's worthiness for Misplaced Pages, be sure the article is judged against these specific criteria, not against notability per se.
Non-verifiability
All information on Misplaced Pages must be written from an accessible and reliable source. While non-verifiable information is often not notable either (such as what I have in my pocket), in many cases non-notable information is verifiable. For example, Qubit Field Theory is a little known quantum theory but is certainly verifiable. Something is verifiable only if it can be substantiated from reliable sources that can be verified by wikipedians. It is not sufficient for an article to be simply theoretically verifiable. If the only source about something is its promoter and their press releases, it is not verifiable. Look for multiple non-trivial mentions in independent academic or mainstream publications: the article must be verifiable from reliable secondary sources.
"It isn't the lack of fame that makes the page objectionable, it's the lack of verifiability."
– Jimbo Wales ("writing only as another user, not as The Jimbo")
Non-neutrality
Neutrality is non-negotiable. By extension we must not give undue weight to minor points of view. We must therefore be able to verify that a subject is covered neutrally. The section on undue weight notes however that minor points of view can be given as much attention as major points of view, in articles specifically devoted to those minor points of view.
An article may not include information that arbitrarily favors one side or another. However, point of view in non-notable articles (as in notable articles) is most often written by an editor who has knowledge or interest in the subject, and who may contribute intended or unintended bias. This is a fixable problem, and biased non-notable articles can just as easily be corrected as biased notable articles, provided that the subject has been covered widely enough that there is informed discussion available for reference.
Non-encyclopedic
In a paper encyclopedia, non-notable topics are not included for practical purposes. Misplaced Pages, however, is a very different model not confined by this limitation. As the word "encyclopedia" is defined by dictionaries, notability is not a requirement; The Star Trek Encyclopedia is an encyclopedia, for instance. (Note that The Star Trek Encyclopedia differs from Misplaced Pages is several key ways, particularly in that it relies on one singular primary source and that it is in an in-universe style.) See also an essay section which argues against the claim that "Minor issues are not encyclopedic".
Original research
Non-notable articles may consist of large amounts of original research. However, this is definitely not always the case. Non-notable subjects are subject to the same scrutiny of original research as notable pages are. Misplaced Pages is not the place to premiere this research, notable or not.
See also
Existing practice
Proposals
- Misplaced Pages:Notability proposal — a failed proposal for defining "notability" in Misplaced Pages context
- Misplaced Pages:Notability/Proposal — a second failed proposal of this sort
- Misplaced Pages:Notability — a new proposal of the same sort.
Essays
- Misplaced Pages:List of ways to verify notability of articles
- Misplaced Pages:Non-notability/Essay, an essay arguing against the need for a formal notability policy.
- Misplaced Pages:Notability/Arguments, an essay arguing the need for a formal notability policy.
- Misplaced Pages:Notability/Essay (somewhat conflicting with the previous one).
- User:Ziggurat/Notability, an essay arguing that invoking non-notability for deletion can antagonize new users.
- User:Uncle G/On notability, an essay advocating a non-subjective, workable notability criterion for Misplaced Pages.
- "AFD is evil"