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| ==Ethical dative and "archaic" kathareuousa== | |||
| You have reverted my text changes on the Varieties of Modern Greek with a note "Katharevousa was a conscious *return* to older forms, not just a *preservation* of such forms. And your use of "ethical dative" is completely wrong.". | |||
| If I come across one of their additions to RSN would it be helpful if I pinged you? -- <small>LCU</small> ''']''' <small>''«]» °]°''</small> 20:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Clearly most forms of the dative in mainstream Greek dialects are substituted by the accusative. Only in the single example of the use of σου vs σε, as in the specific example given in the article, is there a differentiation between regional dialects. If there is any dispute on this point, perhaps there should be a clarification. I may be wrong calling it ethical dative, please correct me with a more accurate term, but it is certainly only in this form (μου φαίνεται, etc) that the dative has been replaced by the genitive. In all other cases from the list on the ] there is replacement by the accusative. | |||
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| Perhaps you can propose a better definition of Kathareuousa than it being a conservative form. It is certainly not archaic or archaizing. I did not call it preservation, just conservative. Perhaps you can explain what you mean with a conscious return to older forms - perhaps that would clarify the issue. There was no other standard written form at that time. Anything close to a contemporary standard (Ερμἠς ο Λὀγιος, οι συγγραφείς του ελληνικοὐ διαφωτισμού, Church/related literature and other technical writing, e.g. school textbooks) prior to Independence used a similar conservative style. | |||
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| : About the dative thing, I really don't understand what you are getting so hung up about still. You yourself cited that blog post by Babiniotis somewhere the other day, where he explains the thing reasonably well. It's not just "se" vs. "sou", it's the whole system of indirect object marking (including things like "'''Της μητέρας''' μου της άρεσε πολύ", "σιγά μην του έδωσε '''του γιου''' του και το Tοyota" etc. That's where the merger of the dative into the genitive has happened, and that's where today the dialects differ. About Katharevousa, please do read the literature (I find Horrocks quite readable, and you can get it in Greek too: ''Ελληνικά: ιστορία της γλώσσας και των ομιλητών της''. Chapter 17 deals with the emergence of Katharevousa. The literature is quite explicit about this: Katharevousa was ''not'' just a direct continuation of the existing written registers of around 1800, even though in hindsight they might look similar to the untrained modern eye today. The Katharevousa movement of the mid-19th century considered those existing written registers unsatisfactory and was consciously attempting to go ''further back'', bringing them significantly closer to ancient Attic. That's what "purifying" meant to its proponents, hence the name. That's why it would be wrong to call it simply "conservative". Conservative means "conserving" something in the state you find it in. The Katharevousists felt they were being ''progressive'', renewing the language by consciously ''changing it back'' to an ancient form that had been long out of use. ] ] 16:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Indeed I forgot to sign and thanks for the clarification. That was not at all my understanding of Kathareuousa. I guess we cannot both be right or we are going by different definitions. My understanding of Kathareuousa is that it was a practical formalisation of the mainstream Greek used by literate Greeks (literate Phanariotes, expatriates, priests) up to Independence, in contradistinction to regional dialects, etc. Your understanding seems to be different. I do not know if someone defined it to his liking and wonder whether that matters. In any case, whatever Kathareuousa was by those who defined it best, should there not be an acknowledgement that stylistically the type of Greek used in writing prior to Independence was conservative? Two thousand years of written Greek are called "artificially archaic": "Ever since the times of Koiné Greek in Hellenistic and Roman antiquity, there was a competition between the naturally evolving spoken forms of Greek on the one hand, and the use of artificially archaic, learned registers on the other". Horrocks uses both terms conservative and archaizing to describe the written forms but cautions against the polemic as an anachronistic projection of a modern debate to previous periods. | |||
| ::: The new examples you gave are the sort I had imagined following your response but I doubt they are being more commonly used than ἀρεσε στη μητέρα, ἐδωσε στο γυιό του. They are difficult in the present tense, better suited to the aorist and in relation to the article on variations do not differ between "north" and "south". Babiniotis stated that the dative has been replaced by the genitive but then all his examples had replacement by the accusative. All the forms on the article of the ] (except the ethical) use the accusative today in mainstream dialects - "τῷ βασιλεῖ μάχομαι", "πᾶς ἀνὴρ αὑτῷ πονεῖ", "ἄλλοις μὲν γὰρ χρήματά ἐστι πολλὰ καὶ ἵπποι", etc - also: ἐν Ἀθήναις, ἐν ὀλίγοις, ἐλἐῳ Θεοῦ, etc.] (]) 18:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::About "στη μητέρα" etc.: that's not replacement of the dative "with the accusative"; it's replacement of the dative with a prepositional construction (which then, incidentally, contains an accusative). But that's irrelevant here, because there is no dialectal difference in that respect. It also doesn't matter whether the genitive forms or the prepositional forms are used more often. As for "competition" etc.: I'm not saying that two thousand years of written Greek were all "artificially archaic", but that artificially archaic registers always formed one of the extreme poles in the range of registers common at any given point in time. And as such, they were in competition – often competition that speakers and writers were acutely aware of – with other varieties, including more middle-ground ones. ] ] 08:23, 15 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
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