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	==Calstate vs UC==
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	Is it true that Calstate is better than UC for its undergraduate programs? Because I heard UC doesn't offer "learning by doing" experience as much as Calstate, especially Calpoly.
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			==Seniors(age 60 or older) can go to any CSU for free - well... almost==
	An engineering faculty from CSULA (who visited my campus, MTSAC) even went further & said that UC put undergrad on backseat; I realized that his opinion might be biased, but can someone please enlighten me?
			check out this list of waivers.
			Tuition is free. Only a few material fee.
			http://www.calstate.edu/budget/FeeEnrll_Info/FeeInfo/Fee_Wvr_Info/fee_wvers-complte_lst.pdf

			== California State Normal School ==
	My landlord, who graduated from UCLA with Bachelor in EE, clarified those rumors, and said that he didn't get too many "hands-on" experience from his school, he also mentioned about this TA (Teaching Assistant) thing, which further discouraged me, since I want to be taught by professor, not some undergrad & grad students.

			Restored link to this article, which has been restored by the Misplaced Pages as part of the Misplaced Pages Project California ] 31 December 2006 (UTC)
	I'm well aware that UC is, of course, more prestigious than Calstate, but after listening to those statements, it's kinda make me want to transfer to Calpoly, instead of UC.
			== COST OF ONE YEAR AT THE UNIVERSITY ? ==

			WHAT IS THE COST OF ONE YEAR AT THE UNIVERSITY ?
	:First of all, this area is not the place to ask such general questions on Misplaced Pages; try the reference desk (it's accessible through a link of the Help page, I think). Talk pages are supposed to be about discussing editing issues for the page they're attached to.
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			==US Rankings==
	:But to answer your question, yes, UC Berkeley and UCLA are notorious for a stressful undergraduate experience (which I can personally testify to). If you're looking for a trial-by-fire challenge in learning how to deal with apathetic, impersonal bureaucracies where you have to make appointments weeks in advance to talk to a counselor (the kind of bureaucracies you will have to deal with anyway if you go into business, government, or law), then UC is a great fit. If you'd rather enjoy your college years at a school with decent customer service, I advise you to find a smaller, less bureaucratic school like Caltech or Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. --] 05:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
			please update all University of California and California State University rankings. This years rankings are at the us ranking page. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

			== Planning to add an endnote to note the style difference between UC and CSU on definite articles ==
	::At this risk of offending colleagues and mentors who might stumble onto this page, I can attest that overall, CSU provides a better undergrad experience. I received my B.A. from CSU Stanislaus and Ph.D. from a UC Santa Barbara, so I should know. There are many faculty at UC schools who are dedicated to undergraduate teaching and enjoy it; however, there are many more students to serve and many tasks are relegated to TAs. At a typical UC school, you will find yourself in a general ed. class of a few hundred students; you will mostly interact with a TA in discussion sections; if you are lucky the prof might remember your name; you will have tremendous bureaucracy. At a typical CSU school, you will find yourself in a general ed. class of 40-50 students; you will deal directly with the prof; within your major, you will work closely with them; you will find reasonable customer service. Keep in mind, the UC system is specifically aimed at research first. This makes for excellent graduate programs and exciting experiences for unusually talented undergraduates. This does not mean you cannot have a great undergraduate UC experience; just be aware. The CSU system is focused on undergraduate teaching first; in general, the faculty are much more involved personally. Now, I commit a grave error in judgment by attaching my username to this. ] 03:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

			To give everyone a heads up: Later this year, I'm planning to add an endnote to the articles on the ] and the ], using the efn tag, and with appropriate citations to both universities' brand guidelines, to note the style difference on the issue of whether definite articles are mandatory with the initialisms UC and CSU. For example, the official University of California web site consistently refers to "UC" with no definite article, while the official California State University web site consistently refers to "the CSU" with a definite article. Then I will edit both articles to follow those conventions. Any objections? ] (]) 06:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
	I was wondering how each of the CSU and Cal Poly campuses would rank academically in the Shanghai Jiao Tong University survey (do a google search for "best universities"). The only one that appears in the survey is San Diego State at number 301 out of 500 world universities. Does anyone know how much lower say a Cal Poly campus would be than UC Riverside or Santa Cruz (both # 101 of 500)? If someone really knows please reply to my query. Thanks. ] 07:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
			:Why do we need to tell readers about this at all? It seems trivial. ] (]) 14:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

			::Because otherwise, people will think it's a grammar error to have a definite article with one but not the other, since they are both university systems. Then we will have edit wars.
	==Flagship Campus - Controversy==
			::For years, I have been using UC and CSU without a definite article in both WP articles when those terms are used as standalone nouns, because that's how they're used in literature on the history of American higher education (much of which is written by UC graduates). But the more I think about it, we should defer to each system's preferred usage. Even if it is silly and pompous of CSU to insist on the definite article. --] (]) 17:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

			:::Why in the world would we follow someone else's style guide? ] (]) 18:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
	What evidence is there to back-up these statements of support? What support really exists for this concept? What about citations to documents other than webpages promoting this drastic change? Anyway, how is it that a small group of SJSU people have managed to turn this article into an advocacy page for their attempt to establish San Jose as the 'flagship' campus? All of the statements about this need to be excised from the main encyclopedia article and put into a separate article. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article about the CSU as a whole. ] 22:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

	:I agree that it should be a separate article, so that the arguments and references can stand (or not) on their own merits. Some of the inaccuracies can be cleared up, as well: the Chancellor's Office is in Long Beach, but not at CSU Long Beach.--] 23:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

	:It looks like the disputed language concerning the 'flagship' campus controversy has been removed. So, is there are a new article concerning that matter for all of us to review and comment? ] 17:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
	::There is a parallel discussion at ]. ] 01:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
	::: User ] created a stub about their campaign at ]. ] 21:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

	:Just to throw in my two bits: As far as I can see, there is no real controversy. I haven't seen any coverage of any "controversy" in the L.A. Times, the San Jose Mercury News, or the San Francisco Chronicle (and I skim at least one of those three each day, and all three during any one week). I've not sure Misplaced Pages even should be mentioning it. See ] and ].--] 06:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
	::Exactly. As I mentioned on the talk page for SJSU, it's just the GoState folks using Misplaced Pages as a tool to force their viewpoint on what's really an SJSU-only non-issue on others. If that's all they're going to add, they should keep it on their own webpage, because Misplaced Pages is not the place for promoting one's cause. ] 08:15, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

	You are wrong. The issue of restoration of CSU student rights in San Jose has been covered in the San Jose Mercury News, the Spartan Daily (repeatedly), and the SpartanThunder.com website. There are close to 400 students and alumni in groups like the CSU Students of San Jose, CSU Alumni of San Jose, and CSU Spartans who support CSU restoration in San Jose. This is a valid and legitimate issue in the CSU system, and your attempts to suppress it amount to typical SJSU repression of California State Normal School history and CSU student and alumni rights in San Jose.

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Seniors(age 60 or older) can go to any CSU for free - well... almost

check out this list of waivers. Tuition is free. Only a few material fee. http://www.calstate.edu/budget/FeeEnrll_Info/FeeInfo/Fee_Wvr_Info/fee_wvers-complte_lst.pdf

California State Normal School

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COST OF ONE YEAR AT THE UNIVERSITY ?

WHAT IS THE COST OF ONE YEAR AT THE UNIVERSITY ? DEBBIE

US Rankings

please update all University of California and California State University rankings. This years rankings are at the us ranking page. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges

Planning to add an endnote to note the style difference between UC and CSU on definite articles

To give everyone a heads up: Later this year, I'm planning to add an endnote to the articles on the University of California and the California State University, using the efn tag, and with appropriate citations to both universities' brand guidelines, to note the style difference on the issue of whether definite articles are mandatory with the initialisms UC and CSU. For example, the official University of California web site consistently refers to "UC" with no definite article, while the official California State University web site consistently refers to "the CSU" with a definite article. Then I will edit both articles to follow those conventions. Any objections? Coolcaesar (talk) 06:59, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Why do we need to tell readers about this at all? It seems trivial. ElKevbo (talk) 14:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Because otherwise, people will think it's a grammar error to have a definite article with one but not the other, since they are both university systems. Then we will have edit wars.

For years, I have been using UC and CSU without a definite article in both WP articles when those terms are used as standalone nouns, because that's how they're used in literature on the history of American higher education (much of which is written by UC graduates). But the more I think about it, we should defer to each system's preferred usage. Even if it is silly and pompous of CSU to insist on the definite article. --Coolcaesar (talk) 17:03, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Why in the world would we follow someone else's style guide? ElKevbo (talk) 18:05, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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