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You may remember ], my ] as ]. ] was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with ] mentioned in story and music. --] (]) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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==User:151.124.106.64==
I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit ] - ] 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, ], your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — ''not'' in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? ] &#124; ] 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
::Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson ] - ] 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


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Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.


Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".
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all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.
== Belton House ==


You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.
Thank you all for your kind copy-edits and attacks on my foot-note system, yes it is a pity there are only four ref books (actually realy three, as one was only something unconnected) which will cause some-one to comment on FAC: "not enough references". While I appreciate yoor efforts (Paul - I can't actually see what you have done!) could I just point out the page is nt in fact finished, it has yet to have its section titled "Abdication and the broken heart" This will be a very moving and poignant section in which Lord Brownlow drives the Duchess of Windsor away from Belton and the King to France, with her soft tears echoing in his heart! Namely he has a broken heart because he has just realised he has backed the wrong side and knows he is about to be hacked up by the new ], who was at that time not a cuddly old granny, but when thwarted, a very unpleaseant piece of work. So you see there is a lot of murder and mayhem yet to come in this exiting page. Oh, and yes Ok Kinsman! hahahah very funny, you lot should be on TV! ] | ] 09:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:Efforts, is it? OK, copyedit it yourself. ] | ] 09:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC).
::Well if you are going to be like that!....I shall shortly be going to Japan and never ever ever returning! - so there! ] | ] 09:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::You think you're ] or something? ] | ] 09:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC).
::::No, but I wish could could chop someone's head off - jusyt look at this ] Ghirlandajo and I have been working on it for ages, it is far from finished, but may have been an Fa one day, and suddenly look...........bloody cheek! You wopuld think they could mention it to two obvious primary authors first! ] | ] 10:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::So very nice to see that peer review is now being taken over by a javascript program! It's about time! Human beings are only a hair's breadth from monkeys, you know: would you trust a chimp to give feedback on your writing? No! Give me pure, sterile code any day. &mdash;] (]) 16:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I thought that was nice, too. People are talking to the script. "Please, ScriptMaster, accept these changes as a token of our esteem." It's absolutely flippin' nuts. (And, with compromise, we find ourselves compromised.) ] 17:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::::*What do you mean javascript? who made those dumb comments? and how do I ind out who put it there, I won't be insulted by a robot, No I wil not. ] | ] 18:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::*]'s were generated by ], a pile of code. Cool, huh? I bet you want to give him a big hug, Giano, for helping out so much! &mdash;] (]) 18:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::*I can't cope with this, my life is in ruins, I go to very expensive bookshops buy out of print book thus depriving my children of food and education. Sit up in bed reading them half the night (thus depriving my wife of tea bags or whatever) then write my beautiful pages - for what?.......A fucking robot to read. No, you lot do not exist you are all figments of my imagination. OK my first dry week-end is about to end, I'm off for a few drinks teabag the wife and beat the kids! ] | ] 18:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::And then little USA tied Italy in soccer, and you guys were trying to win the approval of a robot. Oh, I'm with Bunchofgrapes: there is something incalculably ''lovely'' about a javascript robot giving peer review notes. It's exactly where a certain segment of Misplaced Pages wants to go: potato mashers and sieves and Procrustean beds -- things that can't be argued because they don't need reading because they're just filling out forms in a particular way. ] 21:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:*Can't we build our own robot? - I've several small tasks in mind for it already! ] | ] 21:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:Giano my edits are invisible and can only be seen using special browser code. They all make fun of Italian football and your manhood. By the way I've sent copies of the code to all your female admirers Bish, Freply, every women in Japan … and several others. Regards ] ] 15:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::Are you saying that Giano ''can't'' teabag? (I heard the term in a ] film, and it referred specifically to doing a particular thing while wearing Y-front briefs. I wonder if I should put a "disputed" tag on the page?) ] 17:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::*No Giano can't teabag, and Y-front briefs are surely only worn by nerdy Brits whose parents hate them by giving them daft names. As for the code Paul, I'm sure there is a Lady in Japan waiting just for you, would you like me to notify her of your existence? - NO!, I thought not. So you know what you can do with your code - don't you? Is it the fact you are going to loose to us in the footie realy hurts? - You surely don't immagine I would rub it in and mention it at every opportunity for the next four years do you? ] | ] 18:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Geogre, to know what I'm "saying", you will have to see if . And no, there is absolutely no relationship between the size of my edits, or the need for a magnifying glass, and Giano's manhood &mdash; none whatsoever. ] ] 19:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I can't even do Sodoku, so I have no hope of spotting the number patterns in a reference section. (The ''real'' reason I don't like footnotes: I'm innumerate!) ] 03:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
::I think Paul, like poor dear BoG you are becoming exitable, and should calm down, it is only natural that you should need a magnifying glass - self examination is very important in those over 50, I was only reading a very interesting poster in the doctor's waiting room the other day. You Brit's all have an (understandable) obsession with size, it must be very troubling for you all, but apparently it does not matter in the least (<small>if you beleive that you will beleive anything</small>). Now off you go to bed with a nice cup of cocoa. ] | ] 20:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Cup of tea, I think you mean... And as for Italy's um, ... showing against USA. I'm flabbergasted. What went wrong? Perhaps they should have had you on the team after all? I hear you have the balls... '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 21:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::It was an ugly game all the way around, but the USA did better than I expected. There was a huge difference in the game, in the US, depending upon whether you listened to satellite radio with broadcasters who follow all soccer all the time or the stupid TV people who appeared to think it was a baseball game. To say that they were out of their depth was an understatement. While radio complained about ticky fouls getting called early, they thought the redcard was well deserved (an elbow to the eyesocket of the guy who just scored on you). The TV people thought that there weren't any fouls being called and that all the yellow and red cards were just the refs messing things up. American television: the next best thing to living in a cave with your ears filled with mud. ] 03:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:::The inept ABC announcers liked the eye-gouging red-card (and were impressed that the ref saw it, since it was pretty quick) and they also liked the offsides call on the goal, the one that had the US coach in near-hysterics. They didn't like any of the sliding-tackle red- or yellow- cards. &mdash;] (]) 03:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:I'm so pleased the poor American people all been given this encouragement by the kindly Italian team, what magnamanitude, I weep with pride. Meantime!.. my beautiful page - what happened overnight? - It's bad enough having to add these distracting little numbers to every verb, bit now the cite police want to fight over their bloody form - it's enough to make a ELC's cat weep. I've half a mind not to finish it properly, but add another 5000 words on the beautiful Duchess and the treacherous Lord instead ] | ] 08:50, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:: No, Giano, you continue to do the writing, and let us ] follow behind looking for ]. Those who can do &mdash; those who can't (like me), niggle about with citation style. As for the game of footsie, we Yanks have a saying: "a tie is like kissing your sister". ] ] 14:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Paul - Oh dear how can I explain this, you seem a little confused - '''footie''' is a game where one kicks a ball about a field with lots of other men, '''footsie''' is an altogether different game, played likewise with the feet, but discretly under a dining room table with another man's wife. Perhaps this could be one of the problems Americans have understanding the game of "footie! - More seriously I am almost (but not quite finished now) - I wasn't refering to you as cite police, but whoever the anon was, I am now confused though, am I supposed to be putting (Jones 367) or <ref>Jones</ref> etc. ] | ] 14:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


:Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
== Thanks! ==
:If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
:They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. ] (]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does '''' mean in your opinion? Or ''''? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and ] you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki> on your talkpage. ] &#124; ] 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
:::Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
:::Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
:::And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
:::"''It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024''"
:::They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
:::Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
:::I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
:::I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. ]
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::::If you really think so, {{u|Not a similar account name}}, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the ] noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the {{tq|'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'}}. ] &#124; ] 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
:::::@] or even ] ] ] 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. ] ] 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good ] that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. ] (]) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


== Editing warring user ==
Thanks for rolling back the person who "pestered" me on my talk page. :) ] 22:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:My pleasure. A real nogoodnik IP, that — a school, probably. ] | ] 00:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC).


{{no ping|Iimitlessyou}} has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on ], to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.
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Er, Jobjörn? Did you click on my on WP:ANI? Here's a . Many similar threads have been archived. ] | ] 23:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC).


* is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
:Heh, no, I didn't, actually. I was (for some now lost reason) in a hurry and just thought I should comment on it. Thank you for clarifying :) ] (] | ]) 00:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
* they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"


At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: ]
::Your talk page is crazy by the way. Kittens and italian flags everywhere. wooah. overwhelming. ] (] | ]) 00:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
::: I have gotten prizes for Craziest Talkpage! But the credit goes entirely to my... friends. ] | ] 00:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC).
::::It deserves them. I'm almost willing to say it's worthy of an inclusion in the article on ]... however, something tells me that wouldn't be appreciated. ] (] | ]) 00:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Right, ]. ] | ] 00:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC).
::::::Exactly. Now I must be off to find an obscure image to add to your nonsensical talk page, accompanying our conversation appropriately. ] (] | ]) 01:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::Scary image added. My work here is done. ] (] | ]) 01:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


*They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
::It's the Lone Ranger's house on ]! ] 03:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
*They reverted me a forth time for .
:::Ok, that didn't work. According to Misplaced Pages, a hill in Stockholm is a Japanese dagger. ] 03:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.
The photo does not do this sculpture justice - it follows you around the sculture park. I recommend lunch sitting beside the large central circular fountain. One of my favourite places in D.C. -- ] ] 14:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the ], and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.
:I ''hate'' it when sculptures follow me around. I always end up looking even more physically ugly when a Rodin is standing behind me, looking thoughtful or engaging in ]. I was tremendously fond of the small pond around 80th St. E. in Central Park. From there, you could see the two redtail hawks perching and pooping on rich people's apartments. ] 14:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


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:Note I've taken this to the ] where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. ] (]) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
It's time you start taking your job as an admin seriously, "Pretty boy."


::Sorry, {{u|Zenomonoz}}, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
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:::No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. ] (]) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


== WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India ==
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Hi Bish,
:<sigh> Someone's mantra appears to be a series of enraged expletives. You'll never reach enlightenment through POV forks or edit warring, I'm sure. ] 11:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at ].
== A hairy article I like ==


So, the latest update in the case involves the Court ] until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by {{U|Valereee}}, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".
I just wrote ], and I like what I done (which no one will know), because I synthesized a large amount of obscure stuff. My reference said one thing (one approach to the subject, and a good 'un), and I synthesized with what I know, and no one will know how rare that was. Anyway, it's good, but I'm afraid that it's about 55 miles above anyone's head but yours. ] 14:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
:And, since it had been red, I did ]. I was a flautist in 4th grade, but I haven't had afflatus since I started taking charcoal pills. ] 03:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?
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I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! ] (]) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
I see that you blocked ] as a sock of ]. This was probably unfair, since ] is most likely a different person named . See .
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:I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps ''The Hindu'' will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. ] (]) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks. It is almost finished it just needs a hard prune, and re-write of the lead, It'll be a waste of time to copy-edit properly before then, as you know how I change things about, I've already hived a huge section off into a page of its own. I'm not happy with it at the moment, it's lacking an architectural essence to bring it together (don't worry, I know what I mean). Love ] | ] 20:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
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:I can't think there is much more to say about such a small house, but let me sleep on the new lead! What d'you think? Truth! ] | ] 21:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
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::Too long! Sort of... I don't know, a tad heavy? Not sunkissed? ] | ] 22:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC).
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:::Mmmmmm I'm not happy with it either, I probably would vote for it on FAC, but only because I wrote it! Problem is people don't like sunkissed, I've shortened it by shunting the beautiful Duchess and the strong limbed aristo off to a "royal watcher's" ] of their own (even the wretched man's name makes me wince, his parents must have loathed him on sight), I'll have another drastic prune. Then of course we have the cite v footnote fiasco (sorry I know you hate that word) I think the (Smith, 245) method is distracting, but the little numbers method tempt people to click away in exited anticipation, they should be reserved for thrilling and gossipy peices of information that are a little off subject, but will entertain or enlighten the reader - I jave a couple of those, but should they be muddled up with all the fact citing - poor dear Agatha Christe never had these problems with writing her exiting books. I can see the page's problems just not quite get my mind arownd them. Anyhow I must do some proper work. Adieu. ] | ] 13:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
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::::::*No I know what you are talking about, I'm talking about what I am talking about. I am thinking! ] | ] 13:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
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Still as cute and lithe as ever, and a little more wise. Happy birthday! (And Jonathan Swift used to read from Job 50 on his birthdays.) Have a butterfly! ] 02:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
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:Oh, I don't know about old enough to drink, Lar. "Highschooler" and "immature" are the favorite epithets that infuriated tro... eh, unhappy users, throw at me. I'm not even sure I'm old enough to ride in a bus that psychedelic. And for your other question: ]. ] | ] 13:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC).
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:::Random Firesign Theater references are ALWAYS a good thing... so I guess I'll respond with '']'' '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 14:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::'']'' and I'm '']''. (Yeah, a ZZTop reference, but a really old one.) Wasn't there a bus with a troll on it in the last episode of '']?'' ] 19:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
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Happy ]day Bish'! How about a celebratory talk page archive? It's ''huge''. --] ] 15:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:What can I tell you, my friends are verbose. I'll try, but archiving seems to encourage them! ] | ] 15:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC).
::A barren page just seems to call out for scribbles, doesn't it? And further, it is better to have verbose friends than none at all. (My talk page seems to suffer the same problem as yours, my friends are always on about how it needs archiving) '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 18:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


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Tsk tsk, Bishie, you're aiding and abetting mopery and dopery, delinquency of the spaceways, etc... ] is copyright (If I looked the way they do I wouldn't want my picture widely circulated, I must say, is that a chest wig I spot on one???) , thus ] applies, thus not eligible for talk pages, but your enormous and rabid fan club won't let niceties like that stop them! '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 20:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:Enormous and rabid???? I am neither, and I resent the personal insunuation. 1) I had my shots and 2) I'm not enormous! I'm little! So I can't fit into the jeans I wore when I was 17, that's not the same as ''enormous''!. And don't even try to pretend this wasn't aimed at me. SFAIK, I'm the only dog posting here in the salon. Hrmph. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::Settle down '''your yappiness'''. It's the size of the '''club''', not the sizes of the individual fans, for which enormous is the correct appelation. Most of us can't fit in the jeans we wore when we were seventeen (assuming we're at least 18), foam covered or no, but that's besides the point... And for the record any mammal can be rabid. '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 23:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah but um, Bunch is a cluster of ... let me rephrase. We're not all mammals here. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::It takes a mighty dose of rabies to make a Ge-ogre. I am a figure of great gravity, these days, as the earth seems to love me more and more and attract me ever more powerfully. ] 03:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


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== Kefas Brand ==


Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,
<big><big><big>Mmmmmmmmmmmmm, BIG CAKE!</big></big></big> ] | ] 22:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC).
:I hope it's for sharing. Happy birthday! ] <sup>]</sup> 22:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
::Oh! Dearest Sam! If the ArbCom wasn't already , you could have the <big><big><big>WHOLE DELICIOUS THING!</big></big></big> ] | ] 23:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC).
:::Season's greetings, from me! ] 09:53, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
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So in July 2024 you protected ], ] has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
:The content is in fact different, ], so I guess AfD is the better fit; ] was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for ] also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
::Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages ( and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
::I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –]<sup>]</sup> 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)


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:Hey, what a fine star! Thank ''you''! ] &#124; ] 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
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==My guess...==
Bishonen, would you consider counseling ] to remove the remaining personal attacks from his talk page, or removing them yourself? I don't mind him ''quoting'' me (though diffs are always helpful), but his section title is personalized, inflammatory, unsupported by the material contained in this section, and, most germanely to this discussion ''false''. Other false claims, such as the allegation of homosexuality, also remain. I removed one section, but he reverted it. Block or no block, Misplaced Pages should not provide a platform for false and malicious claims.] 00:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
: Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
:Since you're OK with the section itself — as you say, it's almost wholly made up of quotes from you — you mean will I counsel His Excellency to remove the heading "My charge that Timothy Usher is in fact a bigot", right? (Or remove it myself.) I'm afraid I won't. Sorry. You speak of that heading as if it said "Timothy Usher is in fact a bigot"; it doesn't, and I think the distinction matters. His E is discussing Tom Harrison's block reason — stating his case against it, defending himself against it, arguing that he shouldn't have been blocked for it. That's what blocked users do, at least very often they do, and I would be cautious in hamstringing anybody's self-defense; I think it's a context where latitude is necessary. I understand that you don't like the section title, I even sympathise, but I think there's a logic to it, ''as a description of his self-defense''. I have blocked him for calling you a bigot, you know. When you speak of other false claims on His E's page, I'd like to look further before I reply to your request to have them removed. Please tell me what and where they are, especially the homosexuality allegation. I don't see them on a quick read-through, and the page is rather long. I presume you're not talking about the section you removed yourself, since that ''is'' the section with the heading "My charge..." etc, and you specify these as being ''other'' false claims. ] | ] 17:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC).
: Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
::I removed his "butt buddy" comment as well. Think Google, Bishonen. If you think it acceptable that my name pops up with a screaming headline calling me a bigot, preceded by "My Charge that" or not...well, think again. Anyhow, he's already thought the better of it and changed it.] 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
: Give my regards to 'zilla. ] (]) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
:We're not responsible for Google, though, and Bishonen's right: it's his talk page, and he labelled it according to what he wanted to do. We can't take responsibility for what some postulated person might understand from a search. Those of us jealous of our real life identities use assumed names on Misplaced Pages, and those who use real names are, more or less, accepting that this online world is going to be irresponsible with that name. ] 19:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::Hi, ]. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied ] or they lied ], or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked {{u|Girth Summit}}, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
::It's conceivable that the office might disagree.] 19:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::: Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. ] (]) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:Feel free, by all means, to contact the Foundation. ] 20:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. ] &#124; ] 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Welcome in pocket, little ]! ] ] ] 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::: What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of ], and if I'm not then it's a lie. ] (]) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Pint-size James! ] ] ] 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).


:::It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. ]] 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
==]==
Hi, I am sending this message to serious contributors who may be interested in articles related to U.S. politics. I believe I am receiving an unreasonable response-- and at times insulting and rude-- from the editors of ] article, who refuse to remove a section that may offer some interesting trivia for Wikipeidia users, but is irrelevant to people interested in reading an encyclopedia article on a member of U.S. Senate. If you have time, please take a look at the article. Regards. ] | ] 03:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


==]== == ''Scheisst'' ==
Does the article (based on an obit) do him justice? Who is his aunt, ]? -- ] ] 13:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::ALoan I can't beleive you don't know who Ture Rangström, I even had you marked as a radio 3 person, now I must re-assess you. Poor old Mrs Rangström. ] | ] 16:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:::], particularly ] on ], I am afraid. -- ] ] 17:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I've just knocked off a little stub from memory, I often hum one of his catchy little numbers in the bath ] | ] 17:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Hey, Gyllensten died? Wow, that's sad, but...on the other hand, Ture Rangström his ''aunt'' (snicker)? One thinks irresistibly of ]. A nationally well-known composer, yes. Well done Giano! Gyllensten needs a fuller article IMO. I'll look into it (though I fully expect Tups to get there first). ] | ] 17:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC).


''ist wie Scheisst macht''. ] (]) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Yes, thanks for the stub on the aunt, Big G. (I think a machine mistranslated/misparsed "whose sister was"/"sister of"... Have you seen who wrote '']''? ;)
:Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? ] &#124; ] 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).


== NOTHERE user ==
::::::There is not ''much'' more on Lars at ], unfortunately. -- ] ] 18:14, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Hmmm. To be absolutely frank, the phrasing of the Swedish article sounds a goodish deal like it thinks ''Gyllensten'' was the sister of Ture Rangström, lol. ] | ] 18:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC).
::*Oh dear, how can people be so culturally ignorant, one despairs - had there been no Rangström there would have been no Abba - then where would you be on a Saturday night ALoan? ] | ] 18:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user {{noping|Powerinhand}}. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - , . He also created which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.
::::Ignorant? Pah. Did you see my Pellegrini on the Main Page? -- ] ] 19:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:I added a link to the English version of Gyllensten's official SA bio. Now we are waiting for someone to write an article on ]. I added him to the deaths in May page). ] 13:19, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


:To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . ] (]) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::Persuade a UK broadsheet to do an obit and I'll write him up. But ] exists, although it is pretty stubby: why not translate? -- ] ] 13:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


::This is a new user, ]. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in ], and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. ] &#124; ] 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
:::His official biopage is still up: . (I hope the Academy will move these to some archive rather than just deleting them from the website after the chairs have new sitters.) ] 13:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. ] (]) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them ] when they pop up again.-- ]<sup>]</sup> 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks @]. Will do. ] (]) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much, my little ]. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. ] &#124; ] 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).


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== The measure of genius ==


* Did 'shonen do something useful for once? ]&thinsp;] 06:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
I've just written a nice little e-mail to my disciples explaining the critical history of "genius" before the era my article discusses. I'll share it with you later, as the question is whether or not I ought to change ] to incorporate it or if that would be repeating, essentially, stuff from the articles on poetry, Plato, and Pentecost. ] 17:27, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:You have disciples? Acolytes too? Is ] required? '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 21:28, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:Not tonsure but tenure, not heaven but purgatory unending. We make a heaven of hell and a hell of working 4 hours a day. ] 22:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


== ] ==
==No one told me==


Look familiar? ] (]) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
No one told me it was your ]. Many Wishes and regards. As a birthday present, go ahead and make yourself a copy of my toolbox/Wiki-links located on my User page. ] 21:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you. ] | ] 21:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC).


:]. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, ] (]) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, ]. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title ]. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. ] &#124; ] 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Hello @] I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks ] (]) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No, {{u|Idrisskunle}}, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in ] — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also . Thank you. ] &#124; ] 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
::::: @] thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
:::::once again thanks for your response im greatful. ] (]) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


== Belvedere == == Ah well ==


I tried.
It is ], the army are hiding in the trees because they were based in the park during the wars, take them out if you like, I just thought ir was nice to give them a plug! I'm like that kind, caring and thoughtful. I won't edit in case you are in there. ] | ] 12:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:I just was, but right now I'm going out for at least an hour. The Lead is fantastic now! :-) ] | ] 12:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
::What a gyp! I looked at that article, and I didn't see anything there about the owner of the place, ''].'' He needed lots of security guards. ] 12:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Well I'm going out now too, to kick some ass - may return in a good mood about 6, on the other hand I could return in foul mood. Lead looks great! Thanks ] | ] 13:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:Would it look out of place in my ]? -- ] ] 13:14, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:Not much you can do with a pure troll, ]. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? ] &#124; ] 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
:::You know, Ranelagh and the various Augustan gardens are amazingly involved subjects. One neat thing, though, is that they kind of evolved from the established habit of the mall. St. James, in particular, had ''become'' something like a pleasure garden, when it had begun just as an open space. As fashionable folks did the promenade, other people (mercantile people) showed up to entertain and furnish them. Therefore, when there were developed public spaces, they sort of settled on classical models that would match reality. ] 13:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
::Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
::I believe if you want Mr. Belvedere linked in there is a vandal that would be HAPPY to oblige you there. Some luser admin blocked him though, I think. Oh, and Giano kick ass??? I thought he's like, all gentle and stuff? Giano: does the chest wig slip off while you are asskicking? '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 13:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I'm unlinking it. Since I am adjudged an AOLuser because of my ISP, I don't want people to think I'm a vandal and get the entire ISP blocked indefinitely. ] 13:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
::::No it goes on my head! ] | ] 13:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::*] for you sweetheart, love ] | ] 17:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


== Block evading ==
== 159.218.41.27's continued vandalism ==


The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address ] ] (]) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
I noted that you have already warned ] for repeated vandalism. They're . I'd like to request that the vandal be blocked. Cheers, ] 15:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:OK. I've given 'em a week this time. Here's hoping there's no collateral damage, keep your fingers crossed. And thank you! ] | ] 15:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC).


:] seems to be related to the ip ] (]) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
== YAE ==
:Blocked both. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
:PS, please take any further information to ANI, , rather than to my page. ] &#124; ] 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).


== Email ==
Yet another essay wending your way via e-mail. This is my statement of political principles. I come out firmly as a Tory. ] 17:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
::In that case I'm sure you will be big fan of the seated ] who looks just like ] when younger. ] | ] 18:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:Not ''that'' kind of Tory. Besides, I think they'd already started calling themselves conservatives, which is a good thing, as it separates them from their better past. I think Thatcher was the reincarnation of Walpole. In the 1720's, if you were an anti-Walpolean, you were a Tory. ] 20:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Into the breach I go, armed with nothing to say and 4 hr to say it in. Time to speak slowly and digress often. ] 21:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:I'm sure you said it superbly. ;P. But I'm a little conflicted about your Tory essay. ] | ] 06:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC).


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Nominated ==


== Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of ] ==
Have nominated, thank you for all your help. I'm off to bed now, if you are staying up late, look after it for me. ] | ] 23:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
::Well it looks to be going OK...so far! Good work last night. Have to pick the tools up now for a couple of hours, see you later. ] | ] 08:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:::so far so good, you like English lit, what do you know about pride and prejudice? ] | ] 12:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
::::What was the nom? I need to go look at it and then rashly speak out <s>against</s> for it... As for " pride and prejudice", Giano... I'm not prejudiced against your pride! Hope that helps. PS, Italy's valiant sacrifice on behalf of USA was much appreciated but unfortunately was not enough, USA has been eliminated. Oh well. '''<font color="green">]</font>]''']: ]/] 12:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi Bishonen, {{noping|CharlesWain}} has violated 3RR in the article on ] in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Quabble ==
Quibble is what I meant, but I think 'quabble' sounds so much lovelier... anyway I just attacked the ice cream truck and I'm too tired to use 'real' words. Has anyone ever raised the issue of discrimination against made-up words on Misplaced Pages at WikiProject:Countering Systemic Bias? ]]] ] 01:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:What you got yourself there is a ]. &mdash;] (]) 03:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


:They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - ] (]) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:'''quabble''' (n.) - a minor complaint (or ''quibble'' (q.v.)) that is half way through escalation into a major argument (or ''squabble'' (q.v.)) -- ] ] 10:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Why did you use <nowiki>{{noping|}}</nowiki> template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as ] violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this edit. ] (]) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, ], as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making ''more'' than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template here was not appropriate. ] &#124; ] 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Noted. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== =P == == Hmmmm ==
Sorry to bother you with ''another'' ] related issue. (I know you're probably just as tired of hearing it's name as everyone else is) But you're the only admin on Misplaced Pages I know. I'll try to make it short. (S)He "happened" upon I uploaded to the site and removed it along with claiming they didn't have fair use rationale. It's obvious this is all being done to atagonize me, but his/her sthick is tired and I'm done feeding the troll, playing his/her little games to keep him/her entertained. So if you could just look at the fair use rationale, see if it passes muster and if not, suggest what I should add to it to reinclude it in the image. Thanks again!


I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar).
P.S. Happy belated birthday, I'm the 21st of June, close enough. ] 02:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ ] (]) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, almost-birthday twin. I wonder if we could construct a wiki birthday chain that runs a whole year round? Raul654 is June 19, so there's a three-day core already. :-) Speaking of belatedness, I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner. I would kind of prefer e-mail on this subject, rather than give Eternal Equinox any excuse to resume his/her Eternal Entertainment of jumping into my conversations with other people on this page. Have you considered fixing up your wiki mail so people can contact you that way? ] | ] 18:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC).
:Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by ] into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. ] &#124; ] 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).


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:You have written to me four times now, and the first three included threats to block me.


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:Your first post to me started with the gentle "Desist immediately if you don't want to be blocked. And, yes, I have clicked on your links in the exchange immediiately above, and see nothing which justifies this kind of harassment. It doesn't make any difference if your warnings are justified"


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== just so you know... ==
:I am a very reasonable person and very willing to dialogue, however after my treatment from other Admins, I am increasingly disenchanted with them, their disregard for the communities' policies, and frequent attempts to make up policy violations to justify their need to take administrative action. I apologize if you don't behave like this, but if you read my RfAr you can see why I am disenchanted.


Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug . ] (]) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:What really got me with your post is that you stated that civility and personal attacks are absolutely notorious for being subjective and debatable. Your statements make it seem like you don't consider them worthy to warn other users about. Of course you threatened to block me over harassment, which is a form of a personal attack. You made a subjective call, which the user didn't even allege. To me that is quite hypocritical.
:: <small> sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself ] (]) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) </small>
:I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. ] (]) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. ] (]) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I know, thanks, ]. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. ] &#124; ] 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
::::I've got it. --] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tq|I'm a slow little old lady.}} No one says that about you as far as you know. ] (]) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


== Past disagreements ==
:Of course the worst part is I took time to demonstrate that I felt as if I was the victim of a personal attack. That must have some validity. Yet your comments and actions make it look like the situation is somehow my fault. If the user didn't attack me three times, with the encouragement of another Admin, I would not have had to post a tag on their talk page. Given all the attention it has received, and the comments from other Admins that I was justified, why didn't someone else warn the user. He clearly does not veiw my post as legitimate, so someone should help me. By removing my post from his talk page, you helped him, not me, and I was the one he repeatedly attacked.


We've had disagreements both here- and not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. ] (]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:I hope this is clear. ] 04:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:], I've done what I intend to do about that ]. I've no further comment. ] &#124; ] 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).


== I'm always coming to you for advice ==


The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article . That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see ), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me , in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to ], who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of ]'s many, many socks (see ). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.
== hey Bishonen ==
Hey dude,


Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. ] (]) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
thanks for your concern r.e. the abu saga (or as I like to call it the ] saga!). Basically, I just overheated a little when he systematically went through all of my edits/images to see if they were 'fair use' or not. I mean God, what a ''sad'' existence the guy must have! ] Christ, what a loser! I'm surprised he didn't answer my questions though, and felt the need to come crawling to 'the feds' - there was me thinking he wanted to be a cop - guess he's not cut out for it! Still I'll follow your advice and stay civil - you never know when Henry Kissinger's going to drop in do you? Twat.
: Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. ] (]) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for ''how long'' such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.


::Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. ] &#124; ] 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
Oh btw I'm being sarcastic. ] 15:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:::For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
:::While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. ] ] 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is ''not'' Leonid. – ] 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. ] &#124; ] 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:::I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor ''intentionally'' attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. ] (]) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::In that case, I've revdel'd. ], do you wish to oversight? ] &#124; ] 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Done. – ] 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. ] &#124; ] 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).


== ] == == A barnstar for you! ==


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I know you are in on this already, but you and Geogre are the literature people, I want to do a page on a comletely fictitious building so this "]" is a bit of fun and conjecture probably breaking all the rules too, do you have an opinion, Chatsworth claims it is Pemberly how do you see Rosings - Geogre I know you will see this here so I'm not spamming your page, or yours Aloan (turn that dreadful classic FM down for a moment - and listen) your'e English you must have an opinion. I think we should bear in mind if Rosings is stil standing it is probably a very badly run ], my stomach and buttocks are churning at the very mention of the word - I wonder why - that is a red link - one for you ALoan ] | ] 17:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
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*Oh, wow, thank you, ]. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to ]! ] &#124; ] 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
*:@] Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! {{smiley}} ] ] ] 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== Your view on Mauryan Map ==
==jeopardy shmepardy==


Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @] ] (]) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
: :o)
:I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. ] &#124; ] 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
::understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. ] (]) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== November music ==
I should remember to look on the bright side of AN/I more ] <small>]</small> 21:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
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greetings from a trip -- ] (]) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:Aw, ]. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (''Defiantly:'') But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! ] &#124; ] 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
:: Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


==Summer is near== ==You've got mail!==
{{You've got mail|subject=|ts=04:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)}}
Hi Bishonen, you might not remember me well, we met a while ago. Much has changed, I am an admin now, and it is almost ], at least in Seattle. Here is a ], a late birthday present, to be used for fun in the thaw since ], or for zapping vandals. Hope there are warmer climes in your next FA. ]+] 01:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
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:Thank you. I ''was'' thinking of primping up the ], so the gun should come in handy! ] | ] 14:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC). :Replied and actioned. ] &#124; ] 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).
::Wow, an inferno, timely reading and writing. Up to you it could be wikipedia's summer blockbuster. If I had access to a better library right now, I'd offer to help write about the architectural losses, and the reconstrucion. However, I am not close enough to one, and have to make do with purchases on Amazon, with a meagre budget. I could use a monograph on ] though. Anyway, hope all is well. ]+] 19:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


==Lumione== == My topic ban ==
The text has been copied. Thank you.
:Cool. ] | ] 14:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC).


You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.
==User talk:Leonard23==
This is last time I am telling you to leave my talk page alone with your reverts or edits. If not, I am reporting vandalism and harassment on both you and CFIF to the administrators. It is my page and if I want to leave it blank that is my permission and not yours to make. ] 9:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:No, your talkpage is not "yours", it's a wikipedia page and subject to certain rules. This one for instance: don't remove valid vandalism warnings. Perhaps you think ] is yours, too? ] | ] 14:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC).
::By the way, you're being discussed on the ]. You can put your side of things if you like. ] | ] 14:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC).


And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"
==Speaking of which...==
I think is a ] violation. Apparently, Erwin Schwab, the user {{user|Erwinschwab}}, is an astronomer working at the ], and all the asteroids added by him to Misplaced Pages and removed as copyright violations by {{admin|CambridgeBayWeather}} were discovered by him and his colleagues at that observatory. The correct way to go about here would, I think, have been to actually <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> the user and explain that he needs to prove that he has permission to post these articles on Misplaced Pages or change the wording a bit. But calling it "disruption" is just extremely rude. I to CBW (). I don't want to be one of the ''rättshaverists'' complaining about rouge admins on ANI. What should one do? ] 20:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:A ''very'' new user. :-( I'll be frank, Tups. I don't think you made it quite clear to CBW what your focus was, i.e. the newbie-biting, the lack of talking with the user and lack of a friendly voice explaining what the problem was. I thought you indirect. CBW seems to have taken your post as complaining that it shouldn't have been a speedy; only that, no more nor less. Yet that wasn't your point. If I were you, I would write to CBW more explicitly. Incidentally, worried me a little. ] | ] 21:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC).


1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.
::I was actually hoping that CBW would realize the problem himself once I have made it clear that this was not just some teenager copying pieces of text on space thingies from a random website, but a professional astronomer posting text from a website where he is quite possibly one of the authors. With the risk of perhaps seeming aggressive, I have been more explicit about this now. ] 03:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Wow, you sure do go from one extreme to the other. I hope it all works out for the best. ] | ] 03:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC).


2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)
::::Maybe I was too blunt now, but I really don't know how to be more subtle about it. I hope he can take it without feeling bitten himself. Maybe it is all for naught anyway, as the newbie is already bitten and possibly gone for good. ] 03:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


3) edit warring - @] has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.
::::CBW took my criticism very well and has posted an apology to the user. ] 10:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I saw, that worked great! :-) ] | ] 11:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC).


He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)
== Copyvio ==


He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).
Haha yeah, it is well put plus I'm still learning on how to talk like a wikipedians and the situation feels right. Unfortunately, it was removed by Andrew Norman. Anyway, I feel for you so I'm not gonna use it again. By the way, happy belated b-day. Peace out.--] 21:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
:{{smiley}} ] | ] 22:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC).


4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). ] (]) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:Topic ban immediately violated . ] (]) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::That topic box was started before my topic ban ] (]) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, ]. Please read ] more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries '''and your own user and talk pages'''. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. '''That is not allowed''', as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
:::When I see you went to ] and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read ] at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. ] &#124; ] 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
::::I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
::::But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
::::I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. ] (]) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Vandalism/Disruptive edits'''
:- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]]
:-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]</nowiki>
:-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
:*'''Bad Faith'''
:- ], no idea how this is bad faith.
:*'''Original Research'''
:-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
:- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
:- Even my current article ] is getting called 'original research'.
:@] my defence. ] (]) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi again, {{u|JingJongPascal}}. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about , and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the . The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.


As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.
== User:RevolverOcelotX ==


The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)
] has been repeatedly harassing me on my talkpage and often involves himself in POV edits and edit warring. Please check out his talpage and carry out sanctions if necessary. Thanks a lot.--] 01:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy ] to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: ] (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard ), ] (deleted after ]), ] (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), ] (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), ] (deleted after ]), ] (deleted after ]).
:] made 3 reverts on ] and ]. Furthermore, ] has BROKEN the 3RR by repeatedly removing warnings from his talk page. See for more details. --] 01:16, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also ] from {{u|Vanamonde93}}. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
He placed the tag on my talkpage when i only made 1 edit on the article. Sorry to involve you in this. Don't worry it, I'm gonna file it to the admin noticeboard.--] 01:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN ] (]) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at ] are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all ''pages'' (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "]"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the ] area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. ] &#124; ] 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
:::Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
:::and yet he gave me a edit warning.
:::Please do something, he did it without any consensus. ] (]) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing ], a page they created themselves. Also, ], I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? ] &#124; ] 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:::::Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
:::::Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see ], before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. ] (]) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::], I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did ''after you were T-banned'' doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ] article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See ]. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.


::::::You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ], which you're ''banned'' from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described . You can appeal either at the ] ("AN") or the ] ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the ] ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our ] projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. ] &#124; ] 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:Actually if you look at ] and ] articles, you would see Bonafide.hustla made 3 reverts in the past 24 hours. He has also BROKEN the 3RR on his user talk page after the final warning. --] 01:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::look at my talk page , "November 2024".
::ROX, I don't know about the articles you mention (this is my bedtime, I'm not checking anything more today), but please stop harassing BH by reverting his talkpage. The 3RR doesn't apply to him reverting his own page. If anybody's violating the 3RR on it, it's you. Please compare (now blocked for bootless wikilawyeriing) and following dialogue with him. It's a mystery to me why people want to get dug into this kind of trench warfare over another person's talkpage; you realize, of course, that he has ''read'' your warnings, so what's your point? Do you want them kept there as a form of ]? That's not what Misplaced Pages is about. Please use common sense. Good night all. ] | ] 01:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC).
:::::::You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. ] (]) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm not trying to harass BH by reverting his talk page. He is deleting valid warnings from his talk page which constitutes vandalism according to the policy. Currently BH is very close to breaking the 3RR on the articles mentioned above and some other articles, he has been POV pushing on many Taiwan-related articles, even an admin reverted his POV pushing . The policy clearly states that the offender have to be warned about it before someone can report him for 3RR and that the offender is not allow to hide warnings by deleting them. --] 01:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::::(] padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as ], and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. ] (]) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks, ], you're very right. It's all right for ] to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
::*You added an extremely bad main source for your article ] (later moved to ]) ], only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's ''Chaulukyas of Gujarat''. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name ], describes the writer as "an ] spiritual writer and teacher associated with the ] in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
::*Editing against consensus ]. Note Remsense's edit summary.
::*Original research: ] of ] (now a disambiguation page). Compare ].
::*], you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then ]. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for ] in another article?
::*] to ] is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
::*Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.
:*I also want to say I was sorry to see ], JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:*:Don't worry @], most of that is humour! ] (]) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:*:I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". ] (]) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


== December music ==
::::(Butting in here) '''Use Common Sense'''!!!! You have warned him. He can be blocked for 3RR on an article whether or not the warning stays on his page. Don't worry so much about what he does with his own talk page. Fighting over that is just antagonistic. &mdash;] (]) 02:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- ] (]) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. ] &#124; ] 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
:: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::On the heckelphone! Thanks, ]. ] &#124; ] 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Today is ]. --] (]) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --] (]) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Seeking assist on ] ==
::::::Ok, I'm not going to fight over his talk page and re-add the warnings to his user talk page anymore, but I thought that removing warnings on one's own user talk page is considered vandalism.
::::::The policy from ] states that:
::::::''"The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion, '''except in cases of warnings, which they are generally prohibited from removing, especially where the intention of the removal is to mislead other editors." ''''' --] 02:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Look, I went through all that with PoolGuy, who gave me the very same quotes, probably with the same triumphant bolding. I asked you in my first post above to please review my dialogue with him, and linked to the first post. It doesn't look like you have. ] | ] 03:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC).


Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in ], which has persisted with ] and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply ] for contributing objectively on WP.
Hey Bishonen, How's it going? Anyway, I logged in today on wiki and noticed I was blocked for 24 hrs for the issue discussed above. I hope you can look into this situation and possibly wipe clean my record since I saw no violation myself. I also has a list of finding of facts on my own talkpage. Thanks a lot. :)--] 23:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:I saw the block notice on your page and meant to look into it, but a 3RR is kind of hopeless if you don't know what page it's about. I've asked the blocking admin about it now. I'm assuming it wasn't your talkpage. ] | ] 00:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC).


Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks sooo much--] 04:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


:Hi @], this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. ] (]) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== I was scared to have the conversation there... ==
::Hi ], do take note that this is one of the many instances of ] by said IP address, going against ]. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? ] (]) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
*Why are you moving this from ]'s talk to mine, ]? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. ] &#124; ] 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).


== Métis Nation British Columbia ==
But I did think your third entry in the race might be the winner, yeah. &mdash;] (]) 03:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== Svenska Misplaced Pages ==
:Thanks, ]. There was a note at ]. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done ''nothing'' on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. ] &#124; ] 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here ({{cvt|-25|C}}), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have ] from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! ] &#124; ] 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::::The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Revert ==
Jag måste be om ursäkt för det sjukt dåliga klimatet på svenska Misplaced Pages. Det finns vissa som tror att Wikin är till för reglerna och inte tvärtom och kan inte förstå, hur många gånger jag än upprepar det, att man måste använda sin känsla för vad som är bäst för Misplaced Pages och inte blint följa reglerna. Ett bra exempel är ju att man ska vara vänlig och förstående mot andra användare. Jag ber återigen om ursäkt. /]<sup> ]</sup> 09:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks! You've restored my faith in (Swedish) humanity. :-) Remarkable how fast the "I-don't-make-the-rules" "rule" disappeared when I asked for a link to it, I thought. Best, ] | ] 09:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC).
::Yes, altough the Swedish Misplaced Pages is quite big we haven't grown away from our infantile disorders. Stubdesises going wild and that we let people who behave badly continue to far and let them spreed this bad mood over the Wiki, and since we stil are so few, this bad influences in many cases dominates. /]<sup> ]</sup> 09:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:
:::It was the same way when I registered there two years ago. I wonder if the Swedish Misplaced Pages will ever outgrow its problems, especially as they seem to be self-perpetuating. I concluded some time ago that Sweden is just too small and that the Swedish Misplaced Pages will probably never get the critical mass needed to create an encyclopedia according to this model. ] 10:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per ]? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."?
=="Misplaced Pages and the Future of the Past"==
You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article.
Have you seen this article: "", by ] (no, still a red link), Professor of History and New Media at ]. Quite interesting, especially the point he makes about the "factualist" approach to history common in Misplaced Pages. ] 10:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. ] (]) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, ]. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See ] and ]. ] (]) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. ] &#124; ] 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).
== Re: Your RFA ==


==Io Saturnalia!==
Thanks, and I agree that it is inappropriate to continue a content dispute on an RFA page, which is why I'll refrain from replying to him there again. The one thing I'm worried about is that I might cause this situation to "explode", as I'm aware of the history behind these Ashlee Simpson articles and I don't want the situation to escalate like it did before. Thanks again. ] 13:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


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Dearest Bishonen (and hangers-on) - I should be most gratified if you would accompany me to afternoon tea in my ].
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== Season's Greetings ==
(Which is to say, I am sure that someone hereabouts must be able to expand my most recent execrable stub. But I am also rather fond of another effort of today, ], who sounds like he had much more interesting time than most of the people whose biographies I have written up from their obituaries recently.) -- ] ] 21:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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:/me tries to look up "Boudoir" in the ''OED'', am utterly distracted by learning that the ''OED'' now has "featured additions". Latest FA is "yada yada". :-) ] | ] 22:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC).
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::Wait a minute, pout ? It comes from the French word for "]"? WTF? (The very thought of boudoirs makes me go aristocratically outspoken and say fuck on public pages.) ] | ] 22:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC).
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:::Hnnnh. Do you have a source for the Anna Russell story? Other than the ] article, itself unsourced? ] | ] 00:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC).
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::::Perhaps they cribbed it from . I'm seeing ok sources say Anna Russell is traditionally credited with "inventing" the afternoon or low tea-time, but nothing good connecting it to any particular room, blue or not, boudoir or not. &mdash;] (]) 01:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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==Continued hounding despite your warning==
{{Ping|Qalb alasid}} has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you for battle ground conduct as they did so only to now they have reverted my ] of ] ,] ,] and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on ] and edited ] where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of ] me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - ] (]) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, {{u|Qalb alasid}}, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. ] &#124; ] 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you, @]. @] - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
::For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
::Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per ], "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
::Based on ], "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @], is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? ] (]) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, {{u|Qalb alasid}}) ]-quoting? Just a suggestion. ]. ] &#124; ] 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).


== Thank you for granting the selfblock ==
:Oh, you academics and your sources. As you correctly surmised, pinched the anecdote from ]. How about ? -- ] ] 10:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::*"....Duchess anna Maria is credited with the invention of this meal (''afternoon tea''). She had foind the time between luncheon and dinner too long, so a small repast was served mid afternoon" cite. Page 23. Woburn Abbey. Researched Lavinia Wellicome. Privatly Published. Copyright 1983: Woburn Abbey and jarold Colour Publications. Norwich 783. This same story is repeated in the book of the same name this time by Wobun Abbey and Jarrold Publishing 1995. No ISBN number. Pleae don't hesitate to ask if you wish me to research in my extensive library on the subject again. ] | ] 11:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::*Furthermore the Blue Drawing Room is indeed the room in which the book states she was supposed to have guzzled her tea, but as it is a vast room one of a sequence of state appartments, it is doubtful it would have been her private apartments, as the family traditionally lived in the South wing. part of which is now demolished. The Blue Drawing Room is in the West Wing ] | ] 11:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. ] (]) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)<br>
::::Oh, damn. There goes a good anecdote. No doubt ] will be AFD'd again now. (On the other hand, perhaps that just displays drift in the use of the term from a quite private chamber to a less private one: I seem to recall that there are quite large "boudoir"s at Russian palaces, for example.) -- ] ] 11:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:Very glad to hear it! ] &#124; ] 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
::] Merry Christmas, young clown! ] ] ] 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
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'''Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025! ♦ ] (]) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Hope you are doing well ==
:Well, note that ] does not say that the Duchess of Bedford ''invented'' the meal - merely that the ''English'' custom of afternoon tea was ''developed'' in her boudoir (emphasis added). The link I provided above says that she is "credited with introducing afternoon tea to England in around 1830" (introducing, note) and it goes on "The habit was also happening in France, as it crops up in the work of Madame de Sévigné" (over 100 years earlier). ] is strangely silent on this contribution to world culture, though. And given that we have a triumph on the main page, perhaps Behn's portrait painter, ], deserves some attention. (It mentions the redlinked poet and divine ], for example.) -- ] ] 11:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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::Both books are very specific that she took tea in the Blue Drawing Room, and English Ladies of that era had "sitting rooms" they did not have Boudoirs (which would have smacked of tarts -No! - not the edible afternoon kind). I have amended the article on her accordingly as these things are very important ] | ] 11:59, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ], very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! ] &#124; ] 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).


== Fame! == ==Merry Christmas!==
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==Joyous Season==
Sweet, sweet fame has finally smiled her toothy smile my way! The ] pointed me to in a local rag, in which ] <small>(never heard of him)</small> says:
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I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! {{smiley|christmas}} Whether you celebrate ], ], ], ], ] or your hemisphere's ], this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. ] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC) <br />
:'' something I'm kind of obsessed with at the moment. The thing that I want to find out is who's doing the entry for butter. There's an entry for butter! What would motivate someone to do that? ... But how bored do you have to be to say, "I want to write a Misplaced Pages entry on balsa wood?"''


<small>Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{]:]}} to your fellow editors' talk pages</small>.
I'm half-tempted to go to his book signing tomorrow and discuss my motivations. &mdash;] (]) 22:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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:Hmm. You know, a sentence like "He went on to receive critical acclaim in Februrary of 2006" really ought to be sourced. ''Preferably'' killed with a stick, but if not, then sourced. ] | ] 23:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC).
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::. Doubtless this edit will be taken to be payback of some sort. &mdash;] (]) 04:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:I notice, though, that the ] article is still underdeveloped. In a severe case of ], it lacks any information on Swedish-style wooden butter knives (usually bought at IKEA or produced by kids in woodwork classes at school and presented as Christmas gifts to parents and grandparents). ] 10:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


== Season's Greetings ==
:But good work the strong bias from the article! We have to keep those whacky anti-butter knife POV pushers at bay! ] 11:01, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


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::I spent some time during butter's PR actually trying to research butter knives. I didn't have what it takes, it seems. About the only thing I learned is that the larger, dull, rounded knives we Americans usually call butter knives are properly called "table knives", and a butter knife is a smaller thing, often with a sabre-shaped blade. &mdash;] (]) 14:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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(Text on page 17 illustrated in the ] in ]'s ''Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers'', illustrated by ], London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)
:::"''The difference between a person who is a gentleman, and one who is not is that a gentleman always uses a butter knife even when he has tea on his own''" Introduction to The English Gentleman., Douglas Sutherland. Debretts Peerage Ltd. 1978. ] | ] 14:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


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::::Yeah, see, in Idaho we don't even know to drink tea with a butterknife at all. &mdash;] (]) 15:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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:::::You need an ] education to know how to do that. ] 16:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:*Well, I'm horrified all this talk of butter knives and afternoon tea has made me look about the etiquette sections here - I'm afraid to say it all very lower middle class, so I'm going to do something about it. See ], can you beleive they have a picture with, you won't believe this, or ever guess it - so I'll tell you - coloured wine glasses! - and talks of something called "culture service" sounds like something unpleasant growing in a laboratory. I can hear the horrified and shocked silence, it will be coloured napkins or even paper serviettes next, time to nip it in the bud. I have mad a few minor edits at ], time for us all to motivate ourselves and improve standards. Geogre will take Georgia, BoG Idaho, and Bishonen Scandanavia, the Balkans and Russia (I expect it's all very similar). We need someone for Australia - where has that nice Freppie gone? I can sense she is very tasteful and would be an improving presence. ALoan will take the British Empire (or whatever they are currently calling it) I of course will be supervising. Forza Italia ] | ] 18:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:::PS: all that transcedental business below - waste of money - I did a course once, you sit there going um um um for twenty minutes, they told me they could fly, I thought this would save me a fortune in air fares, but it turned out all flights were strictly local, I never once even became air born, then they claimed they could rematerialise in other rooms without opening the door like Doctor Who, or that man in Star trek, that failed too, would they give me my money back - Oh No! ] | ] 18:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the ] article: I never heard anyone born after 1920 refer to a table knife as a ''case knife'', and then only if they were "country", and I was born in Atlanta and my grandparents were from Tennessee. The two knives pictured are ''master'' butter knives, and the caption correctly notes they are to remain with the butter dish and not be used for spreading. However, the caption refers to them simply as "butter knives" and goes on to state that a ''side knife'' is used for the actual spreading, while in the US we would use the individual, or personal, butter knife. Are they the same thing, and it is an English/American terminology difference? I never heard of a side knife, and if someone were to use the term I would think ''table knife'' not ''butter knife''. ]<sup>]</sup> 11:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::The side knife, is the smallest knife laid on the table, sometimes laid on the side plate, or on more formal occasions placed on the extreme outer of the right hand side, as it is picked up first to put butter on the piece of roll you have pulled of with your fingers, it then remians on the small side plate on the left of the place setting, and sometimes used agian for cheese (in Europe) before the sweet course, (in England) the penultimate course before the fruit and nuts (desert).<small>—The preceding ] excited rhapsody was added by ] (] • ]) {{{2|}}}.</small>
:::Which would make the side knife what we call the individual butter knife, which means that should be in the ] article. ]<sup>]</sup> 12:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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] about to nibble gently on ] (click on image to enlarge it and see gleam of madness in Puppy eyes). ] 16:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC).]]
I had just ? Well, here they are, 10 years later! Giano is wearing his ], and I think that may be FloNight babysitting. I feel for the current Mr Spang and Mrs Giano, I really do! ], 19:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC). ''Sigh'', so much for my attempts at anonymity, now my piccy'll be all over teh Intarweb. At least now I can indulge my urge to ] indiscriminately! ] 01:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC) Your tendency to yoik indiscriminately? Too much like shooting fish in a barrel! ] 03:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC).]]
::::When I search for ''side knife'' all I find is knives worn at the side, for hunting or fighting. Who uses ''side knife'' to refer to the butter knife? ]<sup>]</sup> 12:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Awww. This is so sweet I can't see it without tearing up. I've ''dreamt'' of Giano finding a kindred spirit to discuss tableware with! ] | ] 13:02, 30 June 2006 (UTC).
::::::This puppy has ''salt spoons'', Giano will be running for the hills soon. I have four different kinds of butter knives in my pattern, and the spousal unit is going to be taking a picture tonight for upload. ]<sup>]</sup> 13:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::: Whew. What a relief. <hides the fast-food wrappers underneath a sofa cushion> Go puppy go! :-) ] 13:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::::In your p-... pattern..? I think they're starting to be tears of fear. ] | ] 13:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC).
:::::::::Note to self: Bish is afraid of flatware patterns. Odd phobia to have... ]<sup>]</sup> 13:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
YOUR LACK OF SOURCING ON THE BUTTER KNIFE ARTICLE IS VERY TROUBLING. It will cause the RUIN of Misplaced Pages. --] ] 14:12, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks, we appreciate your prevention of the total collapse of WP. Will you fix ] now? No sources there either. And inaccuracies!!!! The article stated that for a formal dinner, serving dishes are placed ''on the table''. Please! At best, that's semi-formal, and really, that's informal or family style (which was called, oddly enough, "culture" style.) ]<sup>]</sup> 14:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:::What is troubling me is if people are placing (shudder) "serving dishes" (which in itself is a very "middle class" word) on the table, what on earth are their footmen doing while all this is going on. I'm sorry I don't see anything cultured about behaving in such a fashion - these are the sort of people who leave the ketchup sauce in the bottle instead of placing it daintily in a refined plastic tomatoe. ] | ] 14:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::OMG, I laughed so hard I thought I'd hurt myself... refined plastic tomatoe....{{unsigned|KillerChihuahua}}
:::::</me hides the family wooden spoon under FreplySpang's cushions and sinks gratefully on to the floor of the after a hard day's ]> What are "cushions"? ] | ] 16:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC).
:*Good thing we know you are joking - I can see you now presiding over the samovar as the guests in the salon are tinkling on the bone china teacups, ALoan drifting dreamily towards the white grand piano to entertain you, Geogre propping up the marble chimney piece gun in one hand Royal Worcester in the other, Puppy nibbling delicately on a cucumber sandwich, head tilted gently to one side, as she listens to ALoan's soft crooning as the crystal chandelier reflects a soft warm glow over the assembled intellects with their sparkling conversation, reposing on the gilded XVIIIth siecle furniture their elegant reflections mirrored in the pier glasses between the tall swagged and pelmeted windows........ ] | ] 16:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::I thought the divan was Empire. Silly me. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


== Maharishi Mahesh Yogi article == == Happy Holidays! ==


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Is there any chance wikipedia can lock the MMY article as it now looks? The controversy seems to be gone - but I fear the moment the Christian Fundamentalists turn their attention to it and once again tears it apart..


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No chance, sorry. The protection policy is very conservative: protection is to be used as little as possible, for as short periods as possible, and never preemptively, only to stop ongoing and acute vandalism or edit warring. And not on a particular, selected version, either. I'll add the article to my watchlist, and please get in touch again if you see an acute problem. P.S. You really shouldn't ask people what the purpose of their existence is, you know. Please be nice. ] | ] 00:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC).
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== Happy Holidays ==
If I see an aucte problem..? It's a war going on :-)


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Why won't Quapeds admit that MMY was a disciple of Brahmananda Saraswati (BS)? Because BS is above critiscism and don't want to admit that MMY had this relationsship with him. It's the same with Maharishi's name, some of the die-hards won't even call Maharishi for Maharishi, since the word i sanskrit means great seer - which they don't like to call Maharsihi. The rationale is the same when these people dig up forty-fifty year old allegations of inappropriate conduct (like eating chicken) and plaster them all over the articles - they just want to destroy the guy and his work.


I understand this can be a bit confusing for outsiders, it sure is to me.


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:I restored the disciple bit, I don't see why not, either. And removed some "his holiness" embroidery that had, oddly, been left in there. But my start for a copyedit and NPOV version got reverted back to your pro-TM (and, may I mention, hair-raisingly POV) version by an IP. You, was it? You know, I think I'll just semiprotect the article, so people have to at least have an identity to edit it. ] | ] 01:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC).


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:moving this convo to ] -- ] 20:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
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::Thank you. I did wonder why you started to speak to Peter on my page (assuming you weren't telling me ''my'' edits were "overwhelmingly evangelical in nature"--I found it hard to be sure). I will now delete the part that's not addressed to me. ] | ] 20:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC).


==RE: Arbitration== == Happy Holidays ==
Yowza! You scared me with that header, I thought someone had filed a RFArb against me!! Heh. In any case, that arbitration looks quite complex and I really didn't know EE enough to lend any kind of a hand. I just liked her work on that particular single of Carey's. ] <sub>]</sub><sup><span style="position: relative; left: -16px; margin-right: -16px;">]</span></sup> 03:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
:OK, I'll admit it: that was the effect I was going for. The wikilife is only as interesting as we make it! {{smiley|10}} ] | ] 03:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC).


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== I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller ==
I've got fishes running amok all over my user page. A thousand dwarves upon you! ] 05:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


]. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. ] (]) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== Askolnick et al ==
:I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. ] (]) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::Kimchi. Hehe. ] &#124; ] 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).


== Happy New Year, Bishonen! ==
What happens if Andrew doesn't (constructivelly) engage in the dispute resolution initiated by myself?
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== January music ==
Will the article remain frozen? For how long?
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Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw ] by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see ]. -- ] (]) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)


], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Is he and his kind going to beat the system/your attempt to find resolution by now staying away - simply to return when the article's protection level is lowered again (at which time their editorial crippling and threats to fellow editors will come back in full swing)?


My ] is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --] (]) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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:I plan on keeping that sucker fully protected until a ] version is agreed on the talkpage. Perhaps I should put up a note saying so. If any regular editor should stay away during that process, consensus simply won't include them. But it seems very early to start worrying about people staying away, I have to say. ] | ] 23:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC).


== Administrators' newsletter – January 2025 ==
Peterklutz, the last thing you need to worry about is my going away. The very last thing. TMers have been hopping on their butts and praying that I go away now for 15 years. You need to understand that I'm a dedicated TM cult watcher -- for life. That's what happens when any group brings a ] suit against me to stop me from investigating and exposing their misconduct. They acquire a devoted follower for life.


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I posted it on AN/I. The posts I blocked him for are for the last few days. I didn't even look at the posts that Tim made on PAIN. I work overnight and I saw all of this just before I went to bed. So I hadn't had a chance to really go through the guy's contribs of the last few days until the last few hours. Btw, the idea that only extreme personal attacks are blockable isn't always true. Persistant personal attacks, no matter how extreme they are, are also generally blockable. --]<sup>]</sup> 04:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


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== Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef? ==
See, that's not acceptable as a protection reason, I'm sorry I didn't make it clear last time you asked for article protection. It's 180° the wrong way around. Articles get protected for being battlegrounds, not for being stable. ] | ] 18:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC).


Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that {{checkuser|Dev0745}}'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them ], have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an ], and I should just accept the ''fait accompli'' and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan <em>politics</em> instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.{{pb}}<em>On the other hand</em>, we have ], which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by ] as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted ] that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @] (previous block), @] (previous TBAN), and @] (general expertise). <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
I would request complete unprotection, on the same rationale.--] 18:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. ] &#124; ] 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
::I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.] <small>(])</small> 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::That sounds like a good idea. @]: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of {{tq|boosterism}}; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. ] (]) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. ] (]) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:Complete? The article is ] right now. This means all accounts more than 96 hours old can edit it, but younger accounts and IPs can't. I semiprotected in order to somewhat calm the edit war by at least preventing people from evading the ] by IP-hopping. Preventing IPs from editing is in general a Bad Thing, and semiprotection isn't a state I ''like'' the article to be in, but with highly contested articles it can be helpful. You want me to unprotect completely? Or did you just mean you don't want it ], i. e. locked, the way ] is? I don't have any plans for that at present, and I hope it won't become necessary. ] | ] 19:54, 29 June 2006 (UTC).
::It seems like Peterklutz was only using IPs because had a habit of not logging in before editing, it doesn't ''quite'' seem like anyone was using IPs to evade 3RR on that article. So, unprotect or not, whatever it takes to make things run smoothly around here is fine by me.--] 00:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


:@]: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from '''politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan'''. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? <span style="font-family:courier"> -- ]</span><sup class="nowrap">&#91;]]</sup> <small>(])</small> 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
== Well! - It can't be right - I'm just not having it. ==


::As you wish. ] (]) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
What is the name of that "thing" where you can check out people's edits? - I can't find it, I want to check some one out, I hate these prim, school mistressy edit summaries , her name is ringing a bell, I can't think why - do we know her? - I must be thinking of Miss Ellie from Dallas; or didn't that peanut man, who became president have a mother called Miss some-on-or-other. Odd really you would have thought a president's mother would have been a Mrs - very Avant-garde! I know you will know the answer dearest Bishonen ] | ] 17:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Apple sauce, dear Giano. (You can't mean...? There seems to be a lot of interest in... help... categories!) Unless you mean know her more recently? Sure, from some egregious nominations at ], if you're ''that'' absent-minded. So you want to get the entire breakdown of a person's edits? I think that "thing" is broken and you have to use magic math and wave a dead chicken—let me check. <br>Yep. :-( You have to either use , which is simple but not up to date, or , which involves sacrificing a goat, or, best, ask Bunchofgrapes. He has the magic math and the goats. Love, ] | ] 18:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC).
:::No no no, there used to be a marvelous thing where you typed in someone's name and out came everything including their last bank statement, I was always typing myself in to see how amazing I was, typical the moment you realy want something it's not about - just like BoG. ] | ] 20:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I'd just agree with Bish's links, I'm afraid. can give nice by namespace, but, is, alas, next-to useless for anything in the last several months, due to them moving the databases and replication being screwed up. I've never even tried to use the javascript-based tools like Flcelloguy's -- slow and cranky and evil. I haven't seen this bank-statement tool I'm afraid. &mdash;] (]) 20:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::*Oh I can't be doing with all those graphs and things, I always see rude and sugestive things in those shapes - (a bit like that rude bandage foto of yours BoG) - and then get distracted. Oh well if she cant be cured she must be endured I suppose - some men (I'm told) find that sort of bossy dominatrix sort of thing exciting - I don't. Probably wears black fishnet tights and a ].....on the other hand perhaps.....No! forget it. Thank goodness for Bishonen. ] | ] 20:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


== Re: Hey, hey! == == Quick question ==


Thanks :). Also, I think I do know how history merges are done (I've tagged some articles whose histories needed merging in the past), but I'll probably have to do some "tests" in my userspace first.

On an unrelated note, I hope you don't mind that I didn't file a statement at E.E.'s RFAr. It's not because I think the RFAr is inappropriate (quite the opposite, in fact), it's just that I'm a little burned from this entire fiasco and would rather see the back of it. I might comment on the associated talk pages and maybe contribute some evidence, but I won't be participating in it a great deal. Again, I hope you don't mind, and I apologise. ] 23:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, no, not at all! That's entirely optional. Utterly. ] | ] 00:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC).

==Evidence==

Okay, Bishonen, is you defending his supposed right to defame me, which even he thought the better of. Is there anything else I can clarify for you?] 00:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, please. Try finding an edit that you wouldn't need a ] to be referring to . ] | ] 01:19, 30 June 2006 (UTC).

::Let's go through this step by step. I wrote on George's page, "while the abusive user Bishonen defends insists upon maintaining an attack section on his user talk page":
::*"the abusive user Bishonen defends" can, according to Standard English usage ("defends" is the predicate of the relative clause, else "defends insists" would be ungrammatical), only be His excellency. Prior to the time of this post, you'd been defending His excellency on ANI against his first indef block. Do you deny that?
::*And at the time of this post, His excellency maintained an attack section on his user talk page. Do you deny that?] 01:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::No, quite, I do see that the sentence can be read that way. But weren't you trying to post some basis (="Evidence") for your claim that I was "defending" HE's "supposed right to defame" you? You say the claim you made on June 20th was based on my edit of June 21st...? If it's possible for you to ever simply ''reply'' to something, as opposed to changing the subject and doing a ], try doing it now. ] | ] 01:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC).
:::::His indef block, against which you defended him, was for defaming me on another talk page, was it not? And you shortened this blocked on 17:10, 19 June 2006, correct? The diff to which your time machine comment was aimed illustrates you explicitly defending his right to engage in this behavior - a position which was already implicit in your posts to ANI, and in your shortening of his block with a friendly message without counsel to refrain from further attacks; indeed, he continued them - as you're the one who'd shortened his block, I asked you to do something about it, which you refused to do, as shown. You'd referred ANI readers back to the FairNBalanced report, insisting that H.E.'s behavior be viewed in this context (''what'' context, I wonder?) and delayed this report from archiving. The most straightforward construal is that you believed HE's vicious and calculated attacks on Christians, Jews, Anglos and other editors to be somehow ''understandable'' in light of FNB's image upload, and the conversation that followed. And now, lo, you've returned to ANI on the occasion of his second indef block to lend him another helping hand against what was otherwise a consensus.] 02:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::I guess it wasn't possible. But I do understand that the conjunction "abusive user Bishonen" was a grammatical accident, thank you for clearing up that part. Incidentally, did you see that without me it would have been a consensus for exactly one minute longer, until Geogre weighed in? If you choose to discount Aminz' protest, that is. But that's not a point I want to argue, as I think it no shame to be reckoned she who objected to an indefinite block without process. Your far-fetched "construals" are your own affair. ] | ] 06:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC).
:::::::Might you explain, then, why you saw it fit to link the H.E. report to the FairNBalanced report - in which, for that matter, did you not argue for precisely such an indefinite block (this for a user who'd never been blocked or even so much as warned)?] 06:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I don't believe for a minute that FNB was a genuinely new user. I'm sorry, I know I addressed you first, but you'll have to take this as notice that any further arguing on this page really will be your own affair. ] | ] 06:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC).
:::::::::You've changed the subject yet again, but that's alright. He wasn't a new user, actually, he'd had a reasonable number of contributions under FNB, but, I'm curious: who are you saying was he before? H.E. also alleged this, but I've honestly no idea who he or you had in mind. If you're willing to be specific, I can look it over, and possibly agree with you. Still, it'd be nice were you to answer my questions.] 07:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

==Where there's smoke...==
can anyone play? ]<sup>]</sup> 22:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, of course. ] | ] 23:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC).

==unerring inappropriateness==
Glad to be of service. Give my regards to all the cool dudes in the prefects' common room, won't you, Bishmeister. ] 00:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

==FNB has a point==

DarwinFish is a spoof on the ixthys symbol of Christianity, is it not? Why do you mock people's religious convictions from your user space?] 06:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:Congratulations on finding another Bishonen complaint. Please add it to today's file and don't bother me again. Don't leave me any more messages. ] | ] 09:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC).
::User:Timothy Usher, take it do dispute resolution. Any further inflamatory comments on this page will be subject to sanctions. Thanks. ] 20:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:I think he ''has'' ceased. The complaint above makes no sense, though. It's a '']'' of the Darwinfish, it says. Therefore, it is making fun of making fun of religious beliefs, and arguably he would be asking why she was making fun of the "religious" belief in evolution, which doesn't make a lot of sense, and this ignores the fact that it has nothing whatever to do with either Darwin, fish, or the ichthus and is, instead, about "bishzilla." He might as well be asking why she's making fun of Toho studio executives. ] 21:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

==]==
Hello, Hello,


I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: ]. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ].
:Hi, {{u|3OpenEyes}}. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the ] requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- ] &#124; ] 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --] 11:20, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (]) &#124; (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== All our problems are solved ==

Got an article that you can't quite get to FA? Just send it over to the new ], where in mere hours they can bring it up to spec, like they did for ]! (/Bunchofgrapes tears out all his hair.) Maybe you should have them work on ]. I'm sure they could find some good stuff in the first page of a google search. &mdash;] (]) 18:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:I had no idea you used to have hair! ] | ] 18:29, 1 July 2006 (UTC).
::I miss it already. A grape without hair is like a Darwinbish without hundreds of razor-sharp, flesh-rending teeth. &mdash;] (]) 18:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Perhaps someone around here can loan you a wig of sorts? ] 22:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
::::If it's been where I think it's been, I'm not touching it! &mdash;] (]) 00:21, 2 July 2006(UTC)
:::::As a matter of fact BoG it is freshly shampood curled and blow dried and casually tousled every morning. Some of the worlds'd most beautiful women have run their hands through it - also my chest wig has the same treatment. So please do not be so rude! ] | ] 14:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
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== Holy smoke ==

Need to have a skeleton for the page, sort of made a start on one, have a look and alter it about to suit, I think we need to keep social, politice and architecture together but quite separate, so they sort of interelate and refer to each other, but don't become a blurred mess, not quite sure how ee can acheive this, sort of three subs under each big header - I shall think on....] | ] 21:10, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
:*Yes Dear I am getting your emails - all of them, fret not - but for some reason I can't send emails, the goat in the treadmill at the power station has probably been shagging again. I've ben mulling over you idea about covering just the aftermath of the fire, its effects and impact etc., that would certainly be more FA-able, and is a subject yet to be covered anywhere really. We would have to go though quite deeply into restoration politics, social history and architecture before the fire to give an explanation to what came after. I've an old dissertation that was published years ago roughly on the subject - does that count as original re-search though - I think though we could be stumped for refs in the direction you suggest? If we are doing this - lets go deep. I'm back on Tuesday think on it. ] | ] 21:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, you should keep those goats in order, how many times do I have to tell you. Referring to your own published work is fine, theoretically—it's not OR—I always try to avoid it, though, for privacy reasons. The most interesting side to me is the plight of the common people, the unrecorded lives—but if they're ''really'' unrecorded they're right out, obviously. I'll see what I can dig up. There's a colleague at the anthropology department here who may be helpful. Anyway, bank up your fires and mull it over some more, and meanwhile I'm reading! ] | ] 22:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC).

==Erich Heller==
Dear Bishonen, a highschool student, ], has just deleted my Erich Heller article from user subpage. Please restore it. --Prof02 09:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

:As far as I can see from the , it seems that ] just deleted the redirect in article space left (automatically) after the article was moved to userspace. That doesn't affect the page in userspace and you will still be able to move the article back to article space when you feel that it is ready for that. ] 10:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
::That redirect from the article space still exists at ]. As you and I both know, ] leave no doubt about what needs to be done. I wonder why the article needs to be in someone's userspace this long; from the talk page, it would seem the move was made on May 19! If I didn't know someone as reliable on Misplaced Pages as yourself was involved, I'd say this screamed of ]. Please help me come to a correct solution here. Thanks. ]]<b>]</b> 00:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, I'll be... the helpless newbie recreated the redirect! Sorry Harro, I had to laugh. I've deleted and protected it, just temporarily. There are some special circumstances. I'll e-mail you tomorrow, as it's 3 in the morning here, you antipodean. This is Tupsharru's baby, really. (He's very reliable too.) ] | ] 01:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC).

==Why?==
Bish, I come to you in abject supplication. When you are on the mailing list, you are described as having ArbCom in the palm of your scaly, clawed hand. When I am , I am presented as being full of excrement. How can I climb the ladder of power from the cesspool to the pinnacle? I await your wisdom and guidance. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:31, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:Hmmm, I think you're probably too nice, that's all. BoG had a useful tip a while back: Object Strongly on people's RfAs, and you shall receive awards and birthday presents. (Hello Corbin!) Start gently. Your assignment for next time is to use four-letter words in public at least once a day and to forget you ever knew any warning template ''except'' <nowiki>{{blatantvandal}}</nowiki>. ] | ] 22:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC).
::Be... ''meaner''? But, I'm already a vicious attack puppy! Remember? A Killer Robotic Dog run Amok! And...{{tl|blatantvandal}}? but what about ]? I don't think I can do that. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh but I ''do'' use four letter words! Bark, bark! ]<sup>]</sup> 22:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
::::What about ], indeed? Go count the teeth of the darwinbish, you viciouos attack plush toy! ] | ] 22:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC).

== heh ==
Hi, Darling. Wazzup? ] 04:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

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October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Beautiful, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:151.124.106.64

I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim, your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — not in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? Bishonen | tålk 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Macrobiotic Diet

Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does mendacious mean in your opinion? Or pick on? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and battlegrund editing you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing {{unblock|your reason here}} on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
"It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024"
They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. Not a similar account name
(talk) 22:26, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
If you really think so, Not a similar account name, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the WP:ANI noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the 'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'. Bishonen | tålk 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen or even Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Not a similar account name There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. Doug Weller talk 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good WP:RS that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing warring user

Iimitlessyou has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on Lyle and Erik Menendez, to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

  • here is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
  • here they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: Talk:Lyle and Erik Menendez#Dispute over edits/lead by Iimitlessyou

  • They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again here and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
  • They reverted me a forth time for "biased edits".

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the WP:RS, and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

Zenomonoz (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note I've taken this to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. Zenomonoz (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, Zenomonoz, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. Bishonen | tålk 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at this month's Signpost.

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court threatening to not hear WMF until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by Valereee, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer appears to have agreed to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps The Hindu will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
A little more: "The bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela were presiding over an application filed by Misplaced Pages seeking permission to file relevant documents in a sealed cover. Misplaced Pages, represented by Advocate Sibal, expressed concerns over the consequence of releasing the name of the author. The court, however, observed that the company was accusing a journalist (ANI) of being a state-sponsored agent and suggested that the author of the content should defend their statements." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kefas Brand

Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,

So in July 2024 you protected Kefas Brand, Rodney Kefas Namisi has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The content is in fact different, Davey2010, so I guess AfD is the better fit; Kefas Brand was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for Kefas's brother Arnold also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. Bishonen | tålk 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Kefas_Brand and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –Davey2010 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you! Dillard421♂♂ 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Hey, what a fine star! Thank you! Bishonen | tålk 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. Dillard421♂♂ 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess...

Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
Give my regards to 'zilla. JBW (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, James. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied here or they lied here, or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked Girth Summit, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. Bishonen | tålk 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. JBW (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. Bishonen | tålk 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Welcome in pocket, little James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of WP:OUTING, and if I'm not then it's a lie. JBW (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Pint-size James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. Girth Summit (blether) 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Scheisst

ist wie Scheisst macht. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

NOTHERE user

Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user Powerinhand. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - here he added POV irredentist views claiming Haryana is South Punjab; it is a common viewpoint among Punjabi nationalists that Haryana is part of Greater Punjab along with the random "who" tag, more POV pushing by unfairly removing a figure's religious identity. He also created an article which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.

It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
This is a new user, Southasianhistorian8. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in this edit summary, and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them here when they pop up again.-- Ponyo 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Ponyo. Will do. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much, my little Ponyo. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. Bishonen | tålk 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

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Kefas Brand (film actor)

Look familiar? Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't look all the familiar. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, the move and then blanked redirect page is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Bobby Cohn. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title Kefas Brand. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare this section higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. Bishonen | tålk 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Hello @Bishonen I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks Idrisskunle (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
No, Idrisskunle, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in meatpuppets — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also this guideline. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
once again thanks for your response im greatful. Idrisskunle (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah well

I tried.

Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not much you can do with a pure troll, Timtrent. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? Bishonen | tålk 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evading

The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address 2A02:8440:250C:AAA4:5C9D:4864:F7C3:27F5 ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Ydududu seems to be related to the ip ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked both. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
PS, please take any further information to ANI, here, rather than to my page. Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

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Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of WP:GS/CASTE

Hi Bishonen, CharlesWain has violated 3RR in the article on Guha (surname) in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Why did you use {{noping|}} template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as WP:3RR violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this months old edit. CharlesWain (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, Ekdalian, as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making more than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the {{noping}} template here was not appropriate. Bishonen | tålk 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
Noted. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm

I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar). Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ Knitsey (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by this comment into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. Bishonen | tålk 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug continuing their attacks against Doug. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, thanks, JoJo. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
I've got it. --Yamla (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm a slow little old lady. No one says that about you as far as you know. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Past disagreements

We've had disagreements both here- and here not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, I've done what I intend to do about that here. I've no further comment. Bishonen | tålk 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I'm always coming to you for advice

The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article here. That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see here), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them here to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me here, in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to Leonid Schneider, who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of Ariel Fernandez's many, many socks (see this SPI discussion). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.

Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for how long such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. Just Step Sideways 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is not Leonid. – bradv 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. Bishonen | tålk 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor intentionally attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
In that case, I've revdel'd. Bradv, do you wish to oversight? Bishonen | tålk 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
Done. – bradv 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

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Your view on Mauryan Map

Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @Bishonen JingJongPascal (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. Bishonen | tålk 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Aw, Gerda. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (Defiantly:) But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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My topic ban

You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.

And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"

1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.

2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)

3) edit warring - @Garudam has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.

He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)

He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).

4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). JingJongPascal (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Topic ban immediately violated here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
That topic box was started before my topic ban JingJongPascal (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, JingJongPascal. Please read WP:TBAN more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries and your own user and talk pages. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. That is not allowed, as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
When I see you went to User talk:PadFoot2008 and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read WP:TBAN at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Vandalism/Disruptive edits
- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]
-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]
-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
  • Bad Faith
- User talk:AirshipJungleman29#Magadhan Empire, no idea how this is bad faith.
  • Original Research
-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
- Even my current article List of wars involving Magadha is getting called 'original research'.
@Bishonen my defence. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, JingJongPascal. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about here, and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the discussion here. The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.

As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.

The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)

Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy Misplaced Pages:No original research to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: List of wars involving Gujarat (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard here), History of India as a political entity (deleted after AfD discussion), List of Indian Uprising battles (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), List of Hindu-Buddhist states (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), Principality of Pataliputra (deleted after AfD discussion), Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (deleted after AfD discussion).

All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also this original research warning from Vanamonde93. Bishonen | tålk 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN JingJongPascal (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at WP:TBAN are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "broadly construed"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the WP:ARBIPA area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
and yet he gave me a edit warning.
Please do something, he did it without any consensus. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing First battle of Eran, a page they created themselves. Also, JingJongPascal, I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see List of wars involving Magadha, before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. JingJongPascal (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
JingJongPascal, I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did after you were T-banned doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ARBIPA article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See WP:BOLD. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ARBIPA, which you're banned from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described here. You can appeal either at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") or the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the request for amendment ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our SISTER projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
look at my talk page , "November 2024".
You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
(uninvolved jaguar padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as I Didn't Hear That, and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, JoJo, you're very right. It's all right for JingJongPascal to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
  • You added an extremely bad main source for your article List of wars involving Gujarat (later moved to Kingdom of Gujarat) here, only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's Chaulukyas of Gujarat. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name A. K. Mozumdar, describes the writer as "an Indian American spiritual writer and teacher associated with the New Thought Movement in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
  • Editing against consensus here. Note Remsense's edit summary.
  • Original research: this version of Indian Empire (now a disambiguation page). Compare Vanamonde93's warning.
  • Here, you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then change it again to something completely different. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for this addition of an area with a surprisingly even number in another article?
  • This addition to List of largest empires is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
  • Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.

December music

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I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
On the heckelphone! Thanks, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Seeking assist on WP:ANI

Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in this ANI case, which has persisted with WP:ASPERSIONS and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply WP:NOTHERE for contributing objectively on WP.

Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bishonen, this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, do take note that this is one of the many instances of WP:HOUNDING by said IP address, going against WP:CIVIL. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) hundenvonPG (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Métis Nation British Columbia

I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather. There was a note at WP:AIV. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done nothing on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. Bishonen | tålk 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here (−25 °C (−13 °F)), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have polar night from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! Bishonen | tålk 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert

I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:

Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per WP:WIKIVOICE? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."? You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article. You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, Talk:Alauddin Khalji. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WIKIVOICE. Johnuniq (talk) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. Bishonen | tålk 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Continued hounding despite your warning

@Qalb alasid: has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you warning them for battle ground conduct as they did so only to provoke me now they have reverted my WP:BLAR of Hinduism in Belize ,Hinduism in Barbados ,Hinduism in Brunei and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on BAPS Shri Swaminarayan mandir (Robbinsville, New Jersey) and edited Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of WP:FOLLOWING me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, Qalb alasid, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
Thank you, @Bishonen. @Ratnahastin - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per WP:BLAR, "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
Based on WP:Harassment, "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @Bishonen, is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? Qalb alasid (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, Qalb alasid) PAG-quoting? Just a suggestion. Misplaced Pages is not about winning. Bishonen | tålk 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for granting the selfblock

Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
Merry Christmas, young clown! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hope you are doing well

I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hammerpants, very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! Bishonen | tålk 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 08:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Bishonen, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
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Happy Holidays

Hello Bishonen: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller

User_talk:Daniel_Case#I_think_this_needs_full_protect. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. BusterD (talk) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. BusterD (talk) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Kimchi. Hehe. Bishonen | tålk 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy New Year, Bishonen!

Happy New Year!

Bishonen,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
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January music

story · music · places

Happy new year 2025, opened with trumpet fanfares that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). - I saw a lovely opera by Rimsky-Korsakov, - see here. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Liebster Immanuel, Herzog der Frommen, BWV 123, my story today 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. Dada Masilo will be my story tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

My story today is about a composer who influenced music history also by writing. Did you watch Masilo talk and dance? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Dev0745: accept fait accompli, or indef?

Hi Bish! Odd situation here. I've noticed that Dev0745 (talk · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)'s edits, since my TBAN of them and your block of them in 2023, have essentially all been violations of that TBAN. However, all the edits I've checked are pretty far-flung from politically controversial things, mostly about fauna of the Indian subcontinent, although some about ethnography. So part of me thinks, this is the TBAN equivalent of what I call an adverse possession unblock, and I should just accept the fait accompli and narrow their ban to India/Pakistan politics instead of the whole region. I don't love rewarding TBAN violations, but a ban, like a block, should be preventative of something.

On the other hand, we have this edit, which could be read as pro-India boosterism, and which was reverted by BhagyaMani as source misrepresentation. Source misrepresentation was the most egregious issue leading to the TBAN in the first place, and Dev memorably insisted at AN that it was okay because there was no specific policy against it. I haven't looked deep enough at this specific case to determine whether Dev was right or wrong and, if the latter, whether it was a plausible good-faith error, but I think this is a strange bimodal situation where there's a good case for relaxing the ban, and a good case for indeffing for ban violations, and not much case for anything in between, given that you already blocked Dev the once and that they have two earlier blocks for other reasons. Do you have any insight here? Pings also @RegentsPark (previous block), @El_C (previous TBAN), and @Abecedare (general expertise). -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 21:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Paradoxical, isn't it? I really don't mind an edit about tigers, though. I'd go with narrowing the ban. Abecedare would know what's best to do, I'm sure, but they haven't edited at all for three weeks, and not very amply since August. Bishonen | tålk 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
I took a quick look and the edits seem fairly innocuous. Gnomish with many images thrown in. Perhaps we should ask Dev0745 what they're up to. Why all their edits, while benign, since the topic ban are violations? Narrowing the ban is fine with me as well but I'm curious to see what they have to say.RegentsPark (comment) 02:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
That sounds like a good idea. @Dev0745: Could you please read the above and then answer RegentsPark's question? To be clear, we're not asking you to defend the edits you've been making in general; we all agree that they mostly look constructive. Rather, we're trying to understand how this came to happen. -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 05:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
Hey all. I reverted this edit NOT because I thought it was any sort of boosterism; but this revision was not an improvement. Since then, I reverted a few more of their edits because they were poorly written. BhagyaMani (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

I have just tried to edit page which are not directly related to topic of India, Pakistan and Afghanistan but related to Asia. Dev0745 (talk) 08:34, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dev0745: well, to be clear, that is still a violation of your topic ban. Indian animals are a part of India. That said, the three of us admins are in agreement that your edits about South Asian fauna have generally been fine, and there's no point in enforcing the ban here if you're causing no harm. So I am going to loosen the ban. I am going to change it to a ban from politics, religion, and culture in India and Pakistan. I want to be clear, that includes some of the articles you've been editing about tribes. You need to stop editing about ethnic and social groups in India, because that's too close to what I initially banned you for. But the edits about Indian animals, and anything else about India that isn't politics or religion or culture, you can keep doing that. Does that make sense? -- Tamzin (they|xe|🤷) 09:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
As you wish. Dev0745 (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello,

I do not want to be accused of gaming the system, but a great deal of my edits recently are denials of ESp requests. I do not think those count as edits- is there a chance I might be accused of gaming the system? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 00:57, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, 3OpenEyes. They count as edits — everything you publish is an edit — but I don't see how your contributions could be regarded as gaming the Extended confirmed protection requirement of at least 500 edits. The edits you make aren't semi-automated or pointless or anything like that, which is what we look for when we suspect gaming. You clearly give pretty much every request individual consideration, and answering one of those requests is a useful action. I don't think you have anything to worry about.-- Bishonen | tålk 07:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure-especially when half of the requests are "add citation" (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 11:32, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm going to sound stupid, but does utilizing user scripts such as Terasail's Edit Request Tool count as semi-automated? (3OpenEyes's talk page. Say hi!) | (PS: Have a good day) 12:07, 7 January 2025 (UTC)