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Arabic Habasha is not "modern Arabic" as it is the Classical Arabic name for Ethiopia. It is now not used diplomaticaly or journalisticaly after a systematic campaign by the Ethiopian government in the 1070's to erase all cognates of that word in various languages when refering to the country. I have heard various reasons for this, but the most rational argument is that it refers to the Semitic speakers only. Habashat was the name of a South Arabian tribe. Support for this argument may be found in Encyclopaedia of Islam II. Unfortunately, I do not have a reference supporting my contention, deriving from memory of the event in a newspaper, that there was such a campaign by the Ethiopian government. |
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:Did you mean 1970's? — አቤል ዳዊት<sup>]</sup>] (]) 01:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC) |
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::The name Habesha is Amharic (and Tigrinya), and is not offensive. It refers collectively to Ethiopian Semitic speakers. Should be no confusion or uncertainty there now about what it refers to, right? Until 1930 most other countries in their languages had called Ethiopia by cognates of Habesha, such as Abyssinia in English. From the 1930s, Emperor Haile Selassie I argued that what was already the native official name for the country since at least ca. 300, Ethiopia, would also be more appropriate for international usage than the cognates of Habesha, because the name Ethiopia is inclusive of non-Habesha Ethiopians. ] /]/ 15:34, 17 November 2013 (UTC) |
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It would be useful to know what the 'indigenous' people(s) called their country. All the names given in the article have been attached from outside. Ancient Egypt, for example, had several different names, but the only name that those who lived in the country gave themselves seems to have been 'people' (rmt). ] (]) 11:41, 17 November 2013 (UTC) |
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:'Useful' to what purpose? What exactly would this information be 'useful' to you for? ] /]/ 15:17, 17 November 2013 (UTC) |
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== Updating population statistics == |
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The article uses several sources that offer quite different and confusing population statistics, some of which are very hard to verify. Others seem to be estimates and projections. The English-language rolling summary on the Ethiopian Govt's own website, for example, seems to give a total figure from 2007. Overall, such variations are likely to confuse readers. No point in claiming source consistency if there's none, but it's a major article and in this respect at least, could do with a thorough clean-up. I'd offer, but I'm somewhat disadvantaged by my complete ignorance of the Ethiopian script and language... Amharic, I guess... my ignorance is boundless, alas. ] (]) 09:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC) |
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== Leprosy camp near Mota == |
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In a Hungarian book, there's a report from the year 2000 about a leprosy camp called LC2 (Leprosy Camp 2) "near the lake Tana, above Mota". By that time, it was attempted to be kept secret, guarded by the military. It consisted of three sections, where the patients were sorted according to the progress of their disease. The second section, with more advanced cases was somewhat apart, and the third, with the "faceless people" (final stages), approx. 6-8Km (3,7-4,9Mi) apart from the first, in a depression on a mountain, accessible through a very narrow passage. In the 1990 there were about 2800 patients, in 2000 about 7000. That's all info to be found. Does anyone know about it, or have spotted it on satellite images? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== The phrase "known to scientists" in the lead == |
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There's a discussion about the phrase "known to scientists" going on ]. Comments are welcome –] (]) 13:27, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:An incredible argument, indeed. "Known" is surely the stronger term, as "known to scientists" may carry an implication that some non-scientists know something different. Cheers. ] (]) 14:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::I agree. Thanks. I don't know why Til decided to pick this to edit war about, maybe it was simply because it was me reverting him, which I did simply because it was so obviously wrong (and pov, although he seems to think he was the one following NPOV). ] (]) 15:06, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Was Ethiopia previously landlocked? == |
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I don't know all that much about Eritrea, but I know it was considered part of Ethiopia for a while. Now that Eritrea is independent, we know that Ethiopia is definitely a landlocked country, but was it landlocked BEFORE Eritrea became part of Ethiopia? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:56, 21 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:In general, yes. The Red Sea coastal regions, right down to Somalia, were part of the Ottoman Empire from the 16th century onwards (to at least the mid-19th century I think). Not sure exactly when that ended, but at any rate Ethiopia certainly didn't have any kind of effective control over any area near the coast in the late 19th/early 20th century. ] (]) 05:18, 2 July 2014 (UTC) |
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In the geography section, it says that Ethiopia is the 28th-largest country. Could someone please change that to 26th to match with the infobox? ] (]) 17:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 00:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2024 == |
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The following coordinate fixes are needed for |
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Could someone please change the population from 132 million to 133 million to match with the source (Worldometer)? ] (]) 02:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}}: please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 00:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2024 == |
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—] (]) 18:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC) |
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In the infobox, it says that the area is 429,000, but the paragraph says 472,000. Could someone change 429,000 to 472,000 in the infobox please? ] (]) 23:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:You haven't explained what you think is erroneous, but I've tweaked the coordinates in the infobox slightly. If you still think that the coordinates need to be corrected, please post a clear explantion of the problem below, including the {{tl|geodata-check}} template, and someone will be along to address your concerns. ] (]) 10:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:There are a few different measurements of Ethiopia's area, so I've replaced both the paragraph and infobox stats with the one from The World Factbook to align it with the ]. ] (]) 19:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== "Anatomically modern humans emerged from modern-day Ethiopia and set out for the Near East and elsewhere in the Middle Paleolithic period." == |
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==Dictatorship, one-party state or an authoritarian democracy== |
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Is Ethiopia a dictatorship, a de facto one-party state or an ] (in the mold of Russia)? --] (]) 20:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC) |
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This claim is contested by more recent evidence than the sources provided, and there is a growing consensus in anthropology of a pan-African origin of ''H. sapiens''. ] (]) 10:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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] is not a ], nor are Rastafarians one of Ethiopia's ]. They are therefore ] in the lede. See the ] wikipage for the similar ], who by contrast do have a notable presence in that country. ] (]) 21:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== Ezana name change == |
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:Nonsense, there is a significant Rastafari presence in Ethiopia, do not try to sound like an authority on things you are clearly not ] (]) 22:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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Ezana does not change the name that so completely false. He mentions the Habashat as a people under his dominion not the axumites themselves and separates them from his own kingdom. The false narrative he adopts it for his own kingdom is demonstrably untrue ] (]) 18:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::Yes, and there's a tourist presence too. Neither is sizable or one of the Ethiopian government's recognized local populations. Also, kindly refrain from using anonymous ips. ] (]) 22:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:::It is obvious that you have issues. However wikipedia does not care what your issues are or if you consider Rastafarians (not -ism) something like a tourist movement in your esteemed opinion. Ethiopia is significant as a spiritual homeland to the Rastafari movement and this fact should not be unilaterally and repeatedly censored from the lede by you. ] (]) 22:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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In the "Ethiopian history" section, it says "in 1867 Ethiopia adopted the pan-African flag colors in support of pan-Africanist ideology." This is not true. Ethiopia was not a part of any "pan-Africanist" movement because they didn't exist back then. Also, the pan-Africanist ideology adopted the Ethiopian flag as their movement's colors, not the other way around. ] (]) 06:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::::I'm aware that Rastafarians claim Ethiopia as their spiritual homeland, just as the Hebrew Israelites claim Jerusalem as their spiritual homeland. That doesn't change the fact that Rastafarians similarly are not one of Ethiopia's officially recognized populations nor is Rastafarianism one of Ethiopia's major religions. Neither have roots in the country, so mentioning them in the lede when not even Ethiopia's own actual populations are is ]. Ironically, you also simultaneously removed historical material on the ] (an actual Ethiopian entity) from the ]. ] (]) 23:22, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::"''Nonsense, there is a significant Rastafari presence in Ethiopia''", you must be joking. If this community was "significant" as you claim why did you not provide a source? Seeing how "significant" they are it would have been quite easy for you to find one. I would also like to point out how you removed sourced content without a legitimate reason. There is absolutely '''no reason''' for such act on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) |
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::::::You must be joking, it is absurdly easy to verify that the Rastafari presence in Ethiopia is significant - and even includes non-immigrants, are you saying you did not know this without a source? That is only why I disputed the edit, nothing to do with Aksum. ] (]) 23:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::You have completely missed the point if this discussion. You might want to see ] and ]. As for this, "''That is only why I disputed the edit, nothing to do with Aksum''", there is '''no reason''' to take a dispute out on Misplaced Pages. That is a complete violation of Wikipedias policies. ] (]) 23:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::::The ] is not on us to disprove the allegedly "significant" presence of Rastafarians in Ethiopia, but rather for you to prove it. Regardless of whether or not it was a mistake on your part, you also removed the historical testimony on the Kingdom of Aksum's first capital and builder. ] (]) 23:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::::This is starting to look like a case of "article ownership". User Middayexpress feels that he OWNS this article Ethiopia. He looks at it, says, "We're not going to have any mention of Rastafari in MY article." and fights like hell to get it out, including running first and only to his collaborating partner who always backs him up regardless. The important thing you are forgetting though is, even if you do not care for Rastafari in Ethiopia, this still isn't just YOUR article. ] (]) 17:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::::::] and ] like the above are both against policy and counterproductive, "Binghi Dad". It's also peculiar that you keep alluding to website policy when you just registered this account a little over a month ago (per ], "it is very unlikely for a newcomer to be completely familiar with all of the policies, guidelines, and community standards of Misplaced Pages when they start editing even the most experienced editors may need a gentle reminder from time to time"). At any rate, the ] is still very much on you to disprove the allegedly "significant" presence of Rastafarians in Ethiopia. More than that, you must also prove that "Ethiopia ''is'' also the spiritual homeland of the Rastafari movement" since that's what the wikitext actually indicated. That's a statement of fact in Misplaced Pages's voice, not of personal belief attributed to Rastafarians. It is also undue for the lede, where not even Ethiopia's own actual populations are mentioned. Similarly, asserting that "] is also the spiritual homeland of the ] movement" would be undue for the Israel wikipage's lede (although the Hebrew Israelites do, by contrast, have a sizable presence in that country). Unfortunately, the late ] (who coincidentally specializes in this area) is no longer with us to provide clarification. ] (]) 18:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC) |
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This claim is contested by more recent evidence than the sources provided, and there is a growing consensus in anthropology of a pan-African origin of H. sapiens. E.g. Catofminerva (talk) 10:43, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Ezana does not change the name that so completely false. He mentions the Habashat as a people under his dominion not the axumites themselves and separates them from his own kingdom. The false narrative he adopts it for his own kingdom is demonstrably untrue 2A02:C7C:3617:3200:6503:A8E7:1852:8968 (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
In the "Ethiopian history" section, it says "in 1867 Ethiopia adopted the pan-African flag colors in support of pan-Africanist ideology." This is not true. Ethiopia was not a part of any "pan-Africanist" movement because they didn't exist back then. Also, the pan-Africanist ideology adopted the Ethiopian flag as their movement's colors, not the other way around. 2601:645:301:4730:508E:5AE8:8C23:6ABA (talk) 06:22, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 00:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)