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== Noureddin, Son of Iran ==

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==Ideology and beliefs (ISIS article)==

I certainly agree that the new section should have greater prominence, but it could only be moved to a main heading near the beginning if it applied to ''all'' of ISIS's predecessor organisations (as listed in "Names & name changes"), because although the article calls itself "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant", it is just as much about those organisations as it is about ISIS itself. If you feel confident that the "Ideology and beliefs" applies to all of them, I would go ahead and put it right near the beginning as a main section (although I guess some of the wording would have to be altered slightly). I am absolutely no expert on Middle East matters, so that would be for you to judge, but if you feel confident, why not do it and see? (I have chopped up and swapped around bits in this article and the al-Bagdhadi one mercilessly, and never had any complaints! Mind you I only did it when I felt on safe ground.) Even if people do object, at least it would get them thinking and realise how important the question of ideology and beliefs is in this case. To me the ideology is ultimately more important than the historical aspect, for it is that which drives events in all religious wars at all times in history. Personally I think this article is too history-biased as it stands now. If people object and say ideology and belief is for another article, I will support you; there should be at least some mention of it in an article like this. And, of course, now the caliphate has been established, this question of ideology becomes pre-eminently important. Be bold! --] (]) 14:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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:Hey! The article is now edited and I've responded to the reviewer's comments. What should I do then? ] (]) 04:53, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

==] revert==

You mentioned me in your post on the Talk page as having reverted you. Please can you tell me what that was? I am not conscious of reverting anything. Was it the removal of "even"? The last thing I want to do is edit-war. I have restored your "even" to be on the safe side. I have not touched your new section on women. --] (]) 08:23, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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==Copyright issue==
I appreciate your attempt but the entire background section is still in violation. I've done it myself while adding info so I completely understand how hard it is. Fixing some of the wording is not sufficient. You plagiarized the structure as well. It needs to be removed and completely restructured or else you put Misplaced Pages in an inappropriate position. Furthermore, the piece used says a lot that could be disputed.Please remove/heavily edit it.


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: Hey! Thanks for reminding this very important issue. The reported materials are rephrased a reworded-combination of ]s. The two sections (short-term and long-term) is my own invention and the structure is almost new. I already removed the mentioned parts. However, as you you are an IP, I can't discuss it with you in the ]. ] (]) 06:40, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

==BBC News in ]==

I refer you to this exchange I had with Technophant.about adding wikilinks to "BBC News". The wikilinks were deliberate.

:"{To Technophant] I have just unwikified all the "BBC News" mentions in the footnotes! I didn't see your summary edit until afterwards just now. I did think there were more wikified ones than I remembered seeing, and now I know why! I thought the first wiki would be enough, but do you feel strongly about this? If so, I can wikify them again. Let me know. --] (]) 21:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

:@], I think it should remain mostly due of the use of inline citations. I know it seems simple, but I also to try presume that the audience may be a gradeschooler how hasn't heard of BBC News and wants to know more. Is there anything in the manual of style about overusing wikilinks in citations? - ] (]) 05:45, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

::You have a point. I'd be happy to put the wiki links back in. Not sure about MOS on this - I think it's meant to be only the first time the name appears - but this would be an exception, I think. Nice to know someone thinks about the readers, which is what I try to do as well. --] (]) 11:02, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

:::@] Readers are<s>n't</s> reading the references one at a time, not top to bottom. I do think this is a sensible exception. Keep up the good work! - ] (]) 11:06, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

::::Agreed. <strike> Re the list on the ISIS Talk page, not quite sure what you mean, but it looks as if I somehow inserted my comment before the end of yours preceding it, though wasn't aware of doing this. Sorry!</strike> --] (]) 11:14, 17 July 2014 (UTC)"

You have undone some carefully thought out changes. I have not reverted you, but perhaps you might like to reconsider your reverts. You will notice, if you look, that many references in the footnotes have been highlighted (by others, who put in the footnotes), for exactly the same reason: to help readers unfamiliar with the sites they are looking at. Misplaced Pages is about helping readers to learn what they are reading about.

You say you used Reflinks to make the changes. Reflinks is a tool that was withdrawn from use on 1st July this year (see Village Pump archived discussion), so I cannot understand how you managed this. Perhaps it has been reinstalled after all the fuss about removing it. --] (]) 10:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
:@] I really did not want to change them. AS you know, Reflink did it! and I wonder why it works after the mentioned agreement on removing it. I was not aware of it being withdrawn. So, should I wikifi all the BBCs? ] (]) 11:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

::{{reply to|Mhhossein}} I have just tested Reflinks myself and was surprised to find that it still works. I didn't seen anything in the discussion to say it had been restored. Can you manage to wikify the BBCs again using Reflinks? I think it is best to have them in. I started to do a straight revert, but it won't work. It might have to be done manually, which is how I did it the first time! --] (]) 12:26, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
:::{{reply to|P123ct1}} I may do it using the "find and replace" add-on of my browser to wikifi all the "BBC News" phrases. Do you know any other tools similar to Reflink? ] (]) 13:41, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
::::{{reply to|Mhhossein}} I have tried using the find and replace button on the Wiki edit page, but the search and replace box either sits in the middle hiding some of the text, or if you move it to the side, it keeps disappearing as the page scrolls down for subsequent replaces. Maddening. As for other tools, I was using one where you add in all the details of the citation into one large box (much less fiddly than the "cite web", "cite news", etc boxes) and it comes up with the wikicode which you transfer to the text, but I have lost the link to it. It is very user-friendly. I have asked the Village Pump help desk (which is for technical questions to do with Misplaced Pages) to give me the link again, because I can't remember where I found it! I will give you the link when I get it from them. --] (]) 13:59, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::{{reply to|P123ct1}} I already did it manually, check it and verify if it is done. I'll be grateful to know about the mentioned tool. Thanks ] (]) 14:03, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::Checked. Fine. Haven't heard from VP yet. --] (]) 14:16, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::{{reply to|Mhhossein}} I found it myself:- http://tools.wmflabs.org/templator/?language=en. It was in that long VP ]. There is a list of alternatives to Reflinks there which might be worth a try. If you search "templator" there it will bring you to the list. (I don't know how to make links to discussions, etc.) --] (]) 15:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

== همکاری در تکمیل مقاله روز قدس ==

سلام به شما. من در

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با تحقیقات زیادم توانستم آمار خوبی از راهپیمایی‌های روز قدس در سال 2014 را جمع‌آوری کنم. چون دیدم شما در مقاله روز قدس در ویکی انگلیسی، زحمت ایجاد این بخش را کشیدید، پیشنهاد می‌کنم از اطلاعاتی که من جمع‌آوری کردم، برای تکمیل بخش مربوط به سال 2014 استفاده کنید. موفق باشید.] (]) 14:43, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
:@] سلام برادر. زبان مادری به انسان احساس آرامش میده. ممنون از همکاری و توجه شما. مطالب خوب و نایابی جمع آوری کرده بودی. به یاری خدا از اونها برای تکمیل این بخش استفاده میکنم. کاش بشود در مقاله قدس مطالب موجود در هر بخش (هر سال) آنقدر بسط داده شود که بازای هرسال یک مقاله دختر ایجاد شود. ] (]) 14:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

::سلام مجدد. چنین تصمیمی تقریبن غیر ممکنه چون یافتن آرشیوهای اینترنتی خیلی سخته. در ضمن به عقیده بنده که حدود 6 سال است در ویکی‌پدیا ویرایش می‌کنم و با نبض دانشنامه و وزن مقالات آن آشنا هستم، لزومی ندارد بیش از این، به این مقاله پرداخته شود چون مخاطبش آنقدر زیاد نیست که ارزش این همه زحمت را داشته باشد. اگر مایل به کار بر روی مقالات فلسطین هستید، مقالات متعددی هستند که می‌توانید آنها را گسترش دهید و مخاطبان بیشتری هم دارند. در ضمن، بسیاری از مقالات این حوزه، اصلن در ویکی فارسی ساخته نشده‌اند و با توجه به آشنایی خوب شما با زبان انگلیسی و قدرت ترجمه بالایتان، آنجا بسیار بیشتر از ویکی انگلیسی می‌توانید مؤثر باشد. انتخاب با خودتان هست. موفق باشید.] (]) 15:02, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
:::@] بنده مقاله قدس را در بخش " آن دیس دی" در صفحه اصلی قرار دادم. این مقاله دیروز بیش از 8000 بار بازدید داشته است. امروز هم تا الان حدود 1200 بار. اما در روزهای عادی به 30 یا کمتر میرسد. هم چنین بنده در مقاله انگلیسی حمله اخیر اسراییل به غزه شرکت داشته ام و یک پاراگراف به بخش پیش زمینه اضافه نمودم. این بخش خلاصه ای از تحلیل های خبرگزاریها در مورد دلایل سیاسی حمله بود. تمایل من به فعالیت در ویکی انگلیسی است. ] (]) 15:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

خیلی عالی است. بنده به دلیل اینکه سواد انگلیسی قابل توجهی ندارم، هیچگاه نتوانستم در اینجا در نوشتن متن مؤثر باشم ولی هزاران ویرایش در خصوص تصاویر و رده و ویرایشات جزئی دارم. البته اسم من در ویکی فارسی، لرزه بر اندام‌ها می‌اندازد. :) امیدوارم در کارتان موفق باشید و اگر کمکی از من بر می‌آمد، مطرح کنید. انشالله شرمنده نشوم.] (]) 15:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
:@] خاطرم هست که بحثهای شما را در یکی از مقالات فارسی پیگری کرده ام. قطعا ما تازه کارها باید از تجربه شما پیشکسوتها استفاده کنیم. ممنون از توجه جنابعالی ] (]) 17:05, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

سلام مجدد دوست من. بنده دیشب مقاله

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را شروع کردم ولی به دلیل ضعف در جمله‌سازی در زبان انگلیسی، قادر نیستم آن را گسترش دهم. از اینرو می‌خواستم به شما زحمت دهم دانشنامه را در گسترش این مقاله مفید یاری دهید. پیشاپیش ممنون.] (]) 08:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
:سلام. پیغامتان را امروز دیدم. با کمال میل دوست خوب من@]. ] (]) 04:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

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==Your ] edit in "Ideology and Beliefs"==

I have attempted to clarify your addition about Salafists and Hamas to this section. It was not very clear how the second sentence related to the first, so I looked at the article and have added some words for clarification. Could you check that this what you meant, please? I would not like to put words in your mouth. --] (]) 12:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
:@] Hey! In fact, you hit the nail on the head! thanks for your cooperation. ] (]) 12:56, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
::Relief! Thanks. I don't know if it is me, but that article seemed a little muddled to me, i.e. it was not very clearly expressed. --] (]) 13:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

==] and ]==

I noticed you did not mention Wahhabism in your section on "Ideology and Beliefs" and I wondered if you could briefly describe in this section the relationship between ISIS and this brand of Islamic belief. Gazkthul says in #13, "Wahhabi movement", in Archive 2 of the ISIS Talk page, that ISIS are not Wahhabists, while confusingly, the Wiki article on the ] categorically states that ISIS ''does'' subscribe to Wahhabism . The "Wahhabist" reference goes in and out of this article like a yo-yo, i.e. it is the subject of many reverts, some people believing ISIS are Wahhabist and some not. Maybe there is genuine controversy over this, so a few words on the subject in this section for this reason alone I think would be a good idea. Could you contribute a paragraph here, or should I ask Gazkthul to do it? I suppose I could give a resume of what Gazkthul says on this, but I would not be very confident doing so, especially as the Wiki article on the subject contradicts what he says. --] (]) 13:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
:@] Yeah I can remember that discussion. As you said, we need further investigations to accomplish this. I'll take care of that and I hope to find ]. Good suggestion! ] (]) 14:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
::]Excuse me, for intervention. I think some user confuse ] and ]. While, Wahhabis are Salafi, there are many Salafi groups who are not Wahhabi. The ] article says ] follows Wahhabism and provide a reference which does not refer to the issue! I could not fine the reference to Wahhabism in the two sources which have been mentioned in the ] article to support this claim. I believe ISIS is more similar to early ] and added the issue to the article few weeks ago. --<font face="monospace">](]-])</font> 14:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
:::@] @ ] I found the following sources connecting ISIS to Wahhabia ideology. Take a look at them:

:::* http://wilayah.info/en/western-medias-obfuscation-and-lies-about-the-situation-in-iraq/
:::* http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_07_04/ISIS-striving-to-be-Qaedas-spiritual-successor-so-as-to-unify-extremists-globally-expert-5571/
:::* https://www.straight.com/news/677831/gwynne-dyer-isis-returns-caliphate-middle-east
:::* http://www.tasnimnews.com/English/Home/Single/416377. ] (]) 04:29, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Thanks. Will have a look at them. --] (]) 14:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

==My edits in ]==
I hope you don't mind my lightly copy-editing your new edits sometimes. I only do it so that the sentences run smoothly and blend in with those before and after. In fact, when I first started copy-editing this article, I went through the whole lot making small changes here and there to make it read more smoothly. The article is very long, so it was a mammoth task! --] (]) 14:52, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
:@] Keep on your good job. You are doing a very admirable task and thank you for that. But, sometimes your changes makes the sentences very close to the original ones in the source and hence the copy right related issues might emerge from those editions. ] (]) 20:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
::@] Yes, I remember this point being raised, so will take more care to keep away from the original wording. I didn't know copyright issues could arise, so thanks for the tip. I discovered yesterday that Reflinks was never formally withdrawn; the tool's (non-Wiki) creator had intended to withdraw it, but was persuaded not to. --] (]) 08:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

== Your edits due to ] ==

Hi. I have replied ]. ] (]) 11:01, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

== Some baklava for you! ==

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:{{reply to|Sa.vakilian}}Salam Alaykom and thank you seyyed. The Baklava was very delicious, I did really needed such a thing to regain energy! ] (]) 10:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

== GA Review arabic calligraphy ==

Thank you for your considerate review of Islamic calligraphy,

the most troubling part I think is indeed finding reliable references. If you would address which references is unsuitable, I'll try to find it in other references. But my sources are pretty limited. Regarding the lead section, I think I could come up with something.

again, thx. Sorry if it took a long time to fix this ] (]) 02:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Alteaven}} Hey! To me some of the websites which are used can't be counted as reliable. such as:
:* http://starsinsymmetry.com/2013/08/05/history-the-kufic-script/ '''(heavily used while Expired !!!)'''
:* http://ilovetypography.com/2008/07/10/arabic-calligraphy-as-a-typographic-exercise/ '''(low quality, written by a student and hence not reliable!)'''
:* The 14th reference is not accessible. The link takes me to the homepage.
:* http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/online_tours/museum_and_exhibition/arabic_script/arabic_scripts.aspx '''(not reliable, No face, No name, No number !)'''
:* http://www.ilmoirfanpublishers.com/Book/lahore-fan-e-khattati-dr-muhammad-iqbal-bhutta '''(what's this?!!!)'''

:It is worth mentioning that, some good references such as those encyclopedic ones are used. Besides the problem with references, please address the issue of ] and the possibility of copy right violation in the mentioned cases. ] (]) 05:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

I've found later in my edit. It's quite broad and includes credit, would it serve as suitable replacement for above websites? ] (]) 10:47, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
::{{reply to|Alteaven}}I already checked that source. This web site is counted as a self-published source and as we read in ]:{{quote|Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.}}
:: So, try to find her published works, then paste the links here. This way, we'll assure that she is expert in this field and her website will be counted as reliable. ] (]) 12:27, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Can't find any. Welp, I'm all out of resources. Let's just hope that there are other wikipedians who might contribute. Though I'm not so entirely positive about that, considering that I'm the only who had worked on it for some time._." ] (]) 12:45, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

:::: {{reply to|Alteaven}} Don't lose your hope. I found , seems to be an expert so you can use the contents of her website. But know that some of the previous materials may not be replaced be by this source! I mean some of the may not be found in other sources. However, try to do your best! ] (]) 12:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh! I've checked that but I thought that counts as self-published. Right, since she provides definitions of kufic and other styles, It can replace many things cited from the defunct websites. Thanks a lot! I'll edit it ASAP] (]) 13:23, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

==]==

Someone today has made an edit to your "Ideology and beliefs", first para. You may want to check they have understood what you meant to say. I think it's all right. (I watch all new edits!) --] (]) 22:17, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{reply to|P123ct1}} Salam, Thanks for your notification. I check the history almost every day, but I had not noticed those changes! ] (]) 02:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

== thanks ==

Hello & thanks
I have problem in referencing & I didn't get the difference between reference list & footnotes.ofcourse I know I must study wiki rules more.
Being bold is very difficult.
How can I improve that this definition for this word is better?] (]) 17:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Salman mahdi}} Salam. Footnotes are more general which might be consisted of references and other noteworthy points in the text.In most of the times to have ] we use the ]. You can be bold when you are familiar with policies and rules! ] (]) 04:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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