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| == List of The Big Bang Theory characters == | |||
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| Greetings. There are a couple of things about your edits that I think I should bring to your talk page rather than the article talk page. | |||
| The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 9#T:IAP}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> <span style="background-color: #FFCFBF; font-variant: small-caps">] <sub>(''']''' / ''']''')</sub></span> 15:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == "]" listed at ] == | |||
| First, ]? Are you sure? Did you mean ]? In any case, I don't see how it can be construed as forbidding boldface in list item head phrase. IMHO, it is just good sense. | |||
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| The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 9#T:IARD}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> <span style="background-color: #FFCFBF; font-variant: small-caps">] <sub>(''']''' / ''']''')</sub></span> 15:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| Second, you said "we list characters by their name as credited". A link to the policy is appreciated. | |||
| Third, have you studied ]? | |||
| Last, why aren't you an admin? {{;)}} | |||
| Cheers. ] (]) 06:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :{{tps}} Be careful, Aussie. Last time someone asked me why I wasn't an admin, I was (deservingly) humiliated by the entire Misplaced Pages community. ] (]) 07:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::That is supposed to be a mood-changer question. I don't mind if it is ignored. ] (]) 07:22, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Actually, I meant ]. That section of the article is filled with people who probablay shouldn't be listed. Not all characters need to be listed. If we eliminated those who shouldn't be there, bolding wouldn't be a problem. Listing characters by credited name is something that is "just done", the way many things are done. It's a general, but not formal, consensus rooted in consistency with ]. If you care to open a discussion at ], I'd be surprised if you couldn't get a formal consensus. Yes, I've studied WP:HONORIFIC, but remember we're talking about fictional characters here, and fiction doesn't, and sometimes can't, follow real-world paradigms. The fact that Leonard's mother is a doctor is something that we are reminded about pretty much every time she appears. Note that WP:HONORIFIC says "in general". It does not mandate that honorifics aren't used because there are times when use of an honorific is helpful or otherwise justified. Why aren't I an admin? ]. Unfortunately, family issues prevented me going to RfA then and every time I think I'm ready, something else seems to come up. --] (]) 10:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I am not saying you are wrong or anything but first, I am going to have to ask you for a source regarding said credits. Show itself only lists guests' names; it credit's Leonard's mother only as Beverly (contrary to your assertion). However, we have ], which explicitly states that the article must maintain internal consistency regarding optional styles. If the credit listings itself does not have a consistent listing style, so help me, it goes against our policy. I don't have any strong feelings about honorifics here but just so you know, every time I see her, I am, above all else, reminded of her being obnoxious and incapable understanding the most basic concepts of life. Her being a doctor does not have sufficient due weight here. | |||
| ::::I am all for removing characters lacking due weight. (I see no encyclopedic value in listing a character only because she once shouted "Security!" in the whole series.) But due weight has nothing to do with the optional style of a definition list. A definition list can be bulleted, flat or cascading (using ; and :). The article had chosen flat and per ], we must stick to it. All you did was to dismantle the list format. To top it off, ] (or WP:BOLDFACE or whatever...) actually supports doing so. | |||
| :::: ] (]) 22:15, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If you want a good source for character names, try any one of the press releases. The Futon Critic reproduces these for each episode. Note that the release linked to, which I picked at random, actually credits Leonard's mother's full name. The issue of bolding was brought up recently at ]. Note that discussion refers to both ] and ], the latter explicitly stating that "actors and roles should not be bolded". --] (]) 14:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Okay, I am looking at your source; no Dr. or Doctor. Also the main characters in the article don't correspond to this source. It says "Leonard", "Sheldon", etc. And still, it does not resolve the consistency issue; it makes it worse. Maybe I'll do a bold edit and then you can compare and decide. | |||
| ::::::The discussion about Hawak Kamay is not discussing consequential conversion of a flat definition list to flat paragraphs. That list already has bullets and the boldface text consisted of almost 50% of the text. It was plain gross. I'd have removed it anyway. In our list, the boldface formatting established the existence of a definition list and consisted of only the name portion (a couple of words) at the beginning of each paragraphs. I feel our time is better spent discussing which character lacks due weight for inclusion. | |||
| ::::::] (]) 03:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::When determining how to treat fictional characters, the MOS can't preempt every situation, so we have to use common sense when deciding how to list them. As far as The Big Bang Theory is concerned, there's a long-standing agreement to list the main characters (which includes Leslie Winkle as she was in the series from the first season) with their last names, in line with the way we treat real people. This seems only reasonable since their last names have been used so very many times in the series. Bernadette is an exception, as Rostenkowski has been used very rarely and Rostenkowski-Wolowitz was used just once, almost in passing. Regardless of your opinion on what the Hawak Kamay was discussing, ] and ] still apply to the Big Bang Theory character article. --] (]) 04:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::FC, I was just being impish. :) Aussie, I think you'd make for a fine admin should you ever endure your RfA. From my failure I learned that my AfD nominations and votes became a big deal to the community--I hadn't performed enough WP:BEFORE due diligence. I also haven't created much content, which put off many. I'll shut up now coz it ain't about me. :) ] (]) 16:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::As someone at your AfD said, if they don't get you for one thing, they'll get you for another. I haven't participated in a lot of RfAs and I have 30,000 semi-automated edits (I use Twinkle) - I've seen both of those as issues people have raised at RfAs. Several people I trust actually warned me away from RfA. --] (]) 17:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::One thing that was especially shitty, is that as I was getting hammered by admins and other users who had never worked with me, my instinct was to reach out to some of the people I'd been working with constructively, but then you start worrying about forum shopping and other nonsense. It seems to me that adminship is about trust, and that should be it. In my RfA you see people saying basically, "well he was on the wrong side of a buncha AfD nominations, so clearly he's going to continue that trend like an asshole instead of learning from his mistakes." That demonstrates clear lack of trust based on an irrational expectation. Come to think of it, maybe responding to AfD questions with shortcuts is the best way to go! "I don't have confidence in his ability to wield the mop." "Whoops, sorry pal, that's ] based on ]." Zing! "The new King of Misplaced Pages has been crowned!" ] (]) 17:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| RE: User:Meganesia | |||
| Meganesia is at it again on ]. He added the world rankings when consensus was reached previously not to have the world rankings (you argued against world rankings) | |||
| I have reverted the Meganesia edit and wish to inform you of this, so you can keep an eye on it when I cannot. Cheers, | |||
| ] (]) 06:41, 3 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Sublist == | |||
| Hello AussieLegend. I was just wondering if you knew why the sublist of the template "episode list" is not used on the MythBusters season pages. The List of MythBusters episodes is very long, and can be hard to navigate comfortably due to the shortsummary field. Most large TV series use the sublist, as you already know. Using the sublist would shorten the page quite a bit, and make it more navigable. | |||
| Thanks. | |||
| ] ] 04:48, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :It's not used because it would make the episode list pretty much pointless. The episode titles don't reflect all of the myths tested in each episode so searching for a particular myth, as many readers do, would require searching up to 15 articles separately. TV season articles normally don't include the level of detail about episodes that we include in the season articles - summaries are supposed to be only 100-200 words. Rather than exceed that, we detail the episodes outside the table and limit the table to a very brief overview of the myths tested to make it easier for readers to search. Although MythBusters is a TV program, it falls outside the scope that {{tl|Episode list/sublist}} was written for. If we were to use sublist to make the main list more navigable, we should probably rewrite every season article to move individual episode content into the episode tables for the same reason. --] (]) 05:37, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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