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== Undeletion ==


== Burlington and Lamoille Railroad ==
I did not undelete the city names article just to spite you or something. I saw it referred to from an article (in a valid context), and having previously viewed the article, I was curious as to why it was red-linked.


I've looked over Edward Lewis' book ''Vermont's Covered Bridge Road'' for mention of operations out of Cambridge Junction, but didn't find anything more than than this mention of the junction (on pages 34 & 36) and a few photos of the station at that location:
I checked the page, and was rather shocked to see a page of 2000+ edits deleted. Nevertheless, I assumed there was a deletion debate I had missed, so I checked out the deleted history (for some reason the talk page was left without a deleted notice pointing to the debate).
''By 1938 the passenger train was running from St. Johnsbury only as far west as Cambridge Junction where passengers could change to a Central Vermont Railroad (successor to the Burlington & Lamoille Railroad) train and continue on to Burlington.''
I'm sorry for the delayed response, but Lewis' book has no index; so I had the not unpleasant task of re-reading the text. ] (]) 01:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


:@] thanks for checking all the same, I really appreciate it. ] ] 10:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Having seen that the deletion was applied under erroneous circumstances (there was no consensus to delete. Consensus may be a subjective thing, but it's certainly >50%), I undeleted. I would have posted to votes for undeletion if it had been validly deleted, but as its deletion had not been accepted on the Afd page, I didn't see that as necessary.


==Hello Mackensen==
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:But you see, it ''was'' already on votes for undeletion (DRV). Your action was completely unnecessary. Moreover, it's up to DRV to determine if deletion was erroneous (and it will likely determine so), not just one admin. ] ] 13:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
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It appears you closed this AfD as a "Delete" on the 27th (along with the other 2), but the article is still ]?--] 19:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


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:It's a really long story. I'd suggest wandering over to ] for full comprehension. Short version: I deleted; deletion was challenged; another admin undeleted one (but not the other two) by accident/on purpose. ] ] 20:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Another fun puzzle: ]. It's unquestionably an eastbound (albeit physically headed northwest) on the near Sandpoint. But four things don't make sense:
::Fair enough... thanks.--] 15:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
*The photo is dated June 2005, and since it's in an entire album of a single vacation, I'm inclined to believe it. But didn't Amtrak stop running head-end cars in 2004?
*I'm not aware of Amtrak ever running TOFC, rather than roadrailers
*Four Superliners is awfully short for the ''Empire Builder''
*The ''Empire Builder'' was scheduled to hit Sandpoint . The sun angle here suggests afternoon.
Could this be a freight that happens to be moving Superliners for some reason? ] (]) 19:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


:@] I agree that a non-revenue move makes the most sense. Four Superliners is plausible for the Portland section, but it's in the wrong place for that, and as you say the light is all wrong. That said, I was on a dreadfully late westbound ''Empire Builder'' in 2009 and crossed that bridge in daylight. Amtrak had roadrailers but not TOFC, not that I'm aware of. ] ] 20:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
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I have added some requests for check user for possible additional sock puppets which have sprung up, if you could investigtate: ]. Thanks. ] 21:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
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I'm somewhat concerned about your deletion of ]. How is this case different from, e.g., ] or ]? There was clearly no consensus for deletion, so what policy is your decision to close the debate with deletion based on? Is there an actual policy against fair use galleries in encyclopedic articles?--]] 18:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
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== Chicagoan and Kansas Cityan ==
Hi. You recently handled . The incident that spurred this also involved two new users, ] and ], who are unrelated to me but who others suspect I am using to meatpuppet. When I came home tonight, I discovered that someone has now created the blatant imposter account of ] and was using it for vandalism before it was blocked.


Somewhat by accident, I ended up rewriting the history of the ]. At this point I might as well go for GA - adding a station list, RDT, route description, and map should be pretty easy. However, I'm short on sources for equipment; ''Classic American Streamliners'' doesn't have anything of note. Would you mind a quick perusal through your collection? It looks like you were the one to add the Wayner source.
If I were to request a CheckUser of Plinky, Daor Nedlog, and TPlRFanSteve, would I be able to find out if one or more of them is editing from Dayton, Ohio (and more specifically, the Dayton Public Library System)? If they are, there's a very good chance that they're a person named Harvey Daye, Jr. who has been trolling the online game show community for close to six years and who holds a particularly large grudge against me. This is getting to a point where it's ridiculous, and I'd like to at least know if there's an explanation for it that reaches beyond Misplaced Pages. -] 01:48, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


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:Even if I obtained such information I would be unable to release it absent extraordinary circumstances. If you can demonstrate systematic harrassment then we can block him on sight regardless of his actual identity. ] ] 02:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


:@] looks like I added that reference when I wrote the ] article; Wayner should have more on the initial equipment sets. I also own Reed's book. I have Wayner and Hough, ''Santa Fe passenger train consists, January 10, 1937'', which is too old, and ''Passenger Train Consists; 1923-1973'', which didn't sample either train. Yenne's ''Santa Fe Chiefs'' is another potential source. I can also check the ''Trains'' and ''Classic Trains'' archives. ] ] 23:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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Aside from the tag on the checkuser page, I do belive many of the checkuser clerks have ] watchlisted. Big red flag for help if you post a comment there. Its there for you to bug the clerks. Discussiony stuff is on that page's associated talk page. There's other pages there that were created several weeks back that you may find interesting, but mainly the noticeboard is all you probably need to read. Of a related note, I'm currently looking at ]. It all screwy, but I'll finish it ], probably late. ] 05:09, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
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] I recall getting "edit conflict" as I was trying to put in my own comment, so the removal of your comment was not intentional. Please ]. I noticed you removed mine too, although maybe it was under similar circumstances. Cheers, ] (]) 23:44, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
I had assumed at the time of closing that they were sockpuppets and was not suprised to see you tag Lionette earlier. Do you think that even with the sockpuppet activity that the three articles, ], ] and ] should be listed for AfD? I did believe that Haris Cizmic was notable enough to warrent an article in light of the changes to the article, the provided references and most of the delete comments were prior to the changes. Which is why I closed it as keep, against consensus (suprised I didn't get any complaints about that). Can you check the three articles and if you think they should be relisted I will do it as a group and list it due to sockpuppetry. Cheers. ] ] 13:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:Nah, they're too busy taking all of my closes to DRV so you slipped through ;). I think for transparency's sake they should all be relisted so that an actual discussion can take place. The three articles seem to me to be hovering on the edge of inclusion, and they're marred by bad formatting and likely copyvios. ] ] 13:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
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:@] I thought it would be reasonable to let you decide if your comment was still relevant, given that I addressed part of your argument. ] ] 23:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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I see that the privacy policy allows for disclosure of IP addresses turned up using CheckUser in the interests of combatting vandalism. Well, ] has threatened to keep making sockpuppets. I would be interested in obtaining the IP address(es) of Dragon Emperor so I can place nice long blocks on them to combat the abusive socks. I'll be in the admin IRC channel if you'd prefer to disclose the IP privately. Thanks. --] (]) 22:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
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:@] Unused and presently unusable--I did a few searches to see if the source is used in the text. I checked on the French Misplaced Pages, and the only citation to any of Davies books appears to be on ], and it's not to the book in question. ] ] 20:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
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* {{ping|Pi.1415926535}} Awesome! I might break out the Hathi links anyway. They're less complete than I'd like; we'll want to try backfilling with Google Books. ] ] 02:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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== 611fan2001 ==

Just to give you a heads up, I wasn’t the one that started the issue, 611fan2001 was the one that caused it. I was only trying to follow the policy and to prevent the article from being vandalized. He’s been doing this for four years already, when ever he sees and edit he doesn’t like, he would go to their talk page and send the user a rude and nasty message very aggressively. When users try to reason with him over his aggressive behavior, he will not accept criticism. But don’t get me wrong. I know yelling at someone and attacking them on their talk page is not ok. Because he still hasn’t been warned yet abd it still baffles my mind that you guys haven’t warn him about his behavior yet, because attacking users on their talk page is not ok and it’s against Misplaced Pages’s policy to do so. ] (]) 19:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:You should explain on the article talk page why your edits are correct. ] ] 19:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

First off, you didn’t even acknowledge what I wrote and said about 611fan2001. He’s been doing this for four years already, he still hasn’t warned yet over his aggressive behavior. He literally attacks users on their talk page and tells what to do and what not to do, as I stated, he won’t take criticism whenever users try to reason with him. Because attacking users on their talk pages is not ok. ] (]) 19:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:You're making assertions without ]. There's nothing for me to respond to. For me, the important thing is you're making a change that doesn't have consensus on the talk page of the article. That's what really matters. People don't agree with your reading of the sources. That's where you should focus your efforts. ] ] 19:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the article changes, again, it’s 611fan2001 that needs to disciplined for his aggressive behavior. This behavior of his is not ok, I don’t have a problem of him following the Misplaced Pages policy, that I’m fine with, it’s his aggressive behavior that needs to be changed. Because it’s not ok to talk aggressive to users on their talk pages. ] (]) 20:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

:I've asked you for diffs in a few places; you're not willing to provide any. I've suggested that you engage on the talk page; you're reverting instead. This won't get you anywhere. ] ] 21:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

::Thank you for standing up for me. He’s still the same self-absorbed user for not listening to a word that I just said from late 2022. 🤦‍♂️ ] (]) 22:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Why did you reopen the discussion. A concensus has been reached, so I closed the discussion. ] (]) 13:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

:@] Please have a look at ]. If I were closing the discussion, I would say that a consensus had been reached to delete, not redirect. As a participant in the discussion, it wouldn't be proper for me to close it. You're both a participant and the primary author of the article, so it's not proper for you to close it either. Deletion discussions typically run for seven days. Be patient. ] ] 14:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Mackensen, I came over here because you're already interacting with an individual who's been trying to contact Amanda duPont - they're using the accounts ] and ] as well as ]. At one point, they added their name . Since Canterbury Tail had a theory they could be a minor I did a quick Google and although they are an adult, it appears they may have some intellectual difficulties. To me it feels like the self-outing should probably be revdel'd if this is the case; I didn't want to post on AN/I because of how visible it is, hence this comment. If this isn't revdel-worthy, sorry for taking up your time! ] (]) 04:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

:@] I think you make a good case, and I've referred it to the Oversight team. ] ] 10:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you Mackensen, I appreciate it. ] (]) 02:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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I understand that Misplaced Pages is not a guide, but the intention was to show a top-down layout of the station and immediate surrounding area, similar to the photograph(s) shown on many other station pages. The diagram and others like it are not intended to provide wayfinding.

Additionally, you had a valid point in that a station with two tracks does not need such detail, but one notable caveat with this line is that it is left-hand running, and may be a notable quirk for those that visit the page.

Finally, when I looked at the most recent version of the diagram prior to deletion, I noticed some problems with what got published. There are no excuses for that and I will have to polish it up, but the main question is… considering the points I made, and if I ironed out its errors and made it collapsed by default, could I restore it to the page?

I suppose I am making a mountain out of a molehill, but I wanted to give my side of the problem and hear yours before adding it back, or conceding and not adding it back.

Thank you for your time, sorry for the long read at a late hour, and I hope to hear from you soon. Thank you. ] (]) 04:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

:@] thank you for your kind and detailed note. I'm guided by the 2020 RfC on station layouts, which was skeptical about diagrams in certain cases: ]. I wasn't concerned about potential errors in the diagram--I don't know the area well and wouldn't have spotted them--but simply that a two-tracked station doesn't need an explanatory diagram. I agree that left-hand running is a notable quirk of the ex-CNW lines, and can and should be explained in text, but I don't know that a diagram is necessary to convey that information. Whether that takes us into trivial territory is another matter. I don't think it does, because that ''is'' unusual in the US.
:I don't feel strongly on the question of including the diagram; if you would like to restore it I won't revert. ] ] 09:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

== Thank you ... ==

... for using language like "impassioned rhetoric" rather than language like "hysterical histrionics" which 2-3 contributors to that discussion seem to want to keep repeating to no end! Sincetely, ] (]) 13:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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I just created this article and I see that you have access to offline sources, so I think those should be added. ] (]) 14:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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i just added content to this article and know you have access to offline sources. ] (]) 15:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

:@] There are plenty of decent online sources as well; especially for modern railroads. I believe the line in Oregon is actually owned by the city and isn't abandoned. ] ] 21:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

== Trans-Siberian Railway ==

Hello, I noticed that you reverted my edit on ]. Your revert was justified and I will only be going back to fix one particular row, but I will add that collapsible sections within diagrams are very finicky, and almost never line up, especially between browsers and/or devices. Both before and after my edit, the end station was about half a space off when viewing the template, and a full space in the article (using Safari on an iPhone.)

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Thank you for your hard work, cheers. ] (]) 12:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

:@] I agree completely regarding collapsible sections. I'm not a fan of them in general and never use them with diagrams that I've started. The Trans-Siberian, admittedly, is a special case. My involvement there was limited to migrating it to the routemap style, and IIRC I had a hell of a time getting the spacing to line up as well as it does now. Cheers, ] ] 13:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

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Any thoughts about the use of {{tl|enlarge}} there and in other RDTs? (].) ] (]) 04:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

:@] I think Gonnym has a point. It seems unlikely that a reader would follow such a small symbol to view the more detailed template. If by chance they do so, they're no longer in the article space and might have some difficult getting back, and the template page itself doesn't have all the article context. In paper maps, you'd indicate a inset with a bounding box and such, but that's not really feasible here. An RfC may well be called for; I don't think there's ever been a broad discussion about this pattern. ] ] 09:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

== EMD SD9E ==

You may have noticed that the disruptive PROD on this article references the Australian Railroad IP. The IP address geolocates to Melbourne, one of the two Australian cities this editor frequents. This is pretty clearly that editor evading their block yet again and telling on themselves in the process. ] (]) 13:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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:I'm not aware of any actual discussion; it's just convention and the outcome of previous TfDs. RDTs as implemented cut against existing guidelines: hiding content from users, storing article content in the template namespace. Divorcing that content from the article itself creates situations where the two diverge, and also the phenomenon of RDTs that don't have associated articles. I don't know, I'm coming around to the idea that maybe RDTs ''should'' move back into their articles. What are the arguments against? ] ] 18:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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:@] No, you're not taking crazy pills. It's hard problem and there aren't good solutions. I agree with all you say about the problems of toxicity and editor retention and I've made that point myself in the past. There were a few things about this situation in particular that guided my response:
:# Keystone18 isn't a new editor. They have ~120K edits since 2018. They and EEng have interacted before. This isn't a case of a senior editor being over-the-top rude to a new editor.
:# It's arguable that it was in good faith. The two have been involved in some back-and-forth on articles, and one comes to the other's talk page to explain to them how they ought to edit. That does not justify EEng's tone.
:# The discussion on EEng's talk page included multiple editors who thought that Keystone18 was the last person to be lecturing EEng about how to edit. This was reinforced on the ANI discussion, with at least one other uninvolved editor bringing up Keystone18's use of edit summaries.
:# The discussion on EEng's talk page hadn't broken down to the point that admin intervention was useful. As I said, I don't think civility restrictions work. An interaction ban would have felt premature, especially since neither party was asking for one.
:Enforcing civility shouldn't depend on which editor is "right" on the merits, but if often does and would in this case. I wish I had a useful suggestion because I agree that the problem you've identified exists and we as a project aren't doing a good job addressing it. ] ] 02:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you. While I believe there are a few good solutions, the community doesn't seem to agree, so what you're saying is entirely reasonable. ] (]) 02:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
*More than anything else, competence consists in knowing one's own limitations. Some editors have extensive skills, others limited, but they're all equally competent ''so long as each recognizes in what areas he or she lacks skill, and steers clear of those areas''. Keystone, despite the efforts of many editors, stubbornly refuses to restrict themself to doing things they have the skills to do, and they are therefore incompetent. The result is the inevitable result when a self-confident incompetent is left unchecked: they destroy stuff.{{pb}}Your sweetness-and-light talk of {{tq|losing the thousands of contributions that productive editor would have otherwise made}} is belied by the facts. I can't speak for what Keystone does to articles off my watchlist, but of articles ''on'' my watchlist, there's not a single one that they touched that they didn't turn into complete, unreadable crap strewn with gibberish "sentences", reversals of meaning in the course of pointless "copyediting", and utterly screwed-up formatting. For the sake of the articles themselves, instead of simply mass-reverting I went through every one of Keystone's edits looking for anything that might be useful; out of 500+ edits by Keystone, I found maybe five that were helpful, mostly addition of links. Everything else they did was, literally, at best useless and usually destructive. So save the tears. ]] 14:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:(Realized in the shower that I forgot this point ...) And, Mackensen, you're mistaken that Keystone and I {{tq|have been involved in some back-and-forth on articles}}. For ten days Keystone ''completely ignored'' all attempts at communication (including reversion edit summaries, talk-page messages, and pings) ''and then'' had the temerity to suddenly appear on my talk page to lecture me with delusional (yes, that's the word, given that other editors had several times tried to set him straight) ideas such as that images must all be on the right, and all the same size, and that hidden comments aren't allowed, ''and then'' topped it off by telling me to {{tq|Open yourself to collaboration with other editors, and consider their input}}. So, no "back and forth", just one editor wandering around the landscape fucking things up and spouting hypocritical platitudes, while others with better things to do clean up his messes. ]] 19:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
::I wasn't meaning to imply that Keystone18 had been responsive; I know that they weren't. My point was simply that Keystone18 wasn't a well-meaning uninvolved editor swinging by to offer disinterested advice. I leave open the question of what kind of reception such a hypothetical editor might expect. ] ] 19:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I understand. And now we know ] understands too. I'm sick and tired of them sticking their bigugly defender-of-the-indefensible nose into things that don't concern them. "I intended it as a WP:ROPE for him" indeed -- that'll be the day. See . Meanwhile, the loose cannon at the root of all this has a super-bad case of ANI flu . ''There's'' someone who needs some goddam rope. ]] 04:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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== Floridian train ==

Hey quick question should the new Floridian train be under "Floridian (Amtrak train)" or "Floridian (train)" as the title? Thanks. ] (]) 19:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:@] I think using the existing name makes sense. There aren't any non-Amtrak trains. ] ] 19:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
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== V/Line redirects ==

You got 2 wrong, should be ] NOT ] and ] NOT ] -- <b><span style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color: rgb(0, 35, 102); text-align: center; text-decoration: underline #FFD700;">]</span></b> (]) 03:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

:@] no, that's deliberate. In both cases they'd be ambiguous with the physical railway line of the same name. This discussion is better had at the move discussion itself, where I explained my rationale. ] ] 03:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
::I have been informed multiple time when trying to remove this type of ambiguity in the past that ] is more important than confusing article names. -- <b><span style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color: rgb(0, 35, 102); text-align: center; text-decoration: underline #FFD700;">]</span></b> (]) 04:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
:::That doesn't match my experience with how article titles and disambiguation are handled. ] ] 04:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm also not 100% sure whether or not the common name of the physical line has been confused with the service name on these (and also the ]. -- <b><span style="font-family: Kristen ITC; color: rgb(0, 35, 102); text-align: center; text-decoration: underline #FFD700;">]</span></b> (]) 04:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. I’m currently trying to rewrite and expand the history section of the ] page, since for some reason, quite a few important parts of the company’s history were omitted from it. So far, I just completed ]. Since you you have a lot of experience in Misplaced Pages, I’d like to ask, do you have any advice for me in this regard? I just don’t want to accidentally make it fall under the same trap as the ] page did with copyright issues. ] (]) 17:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

:Well, one thing happened is that a user substantially rewrote the history section about a decade ago, and that in turn had to be entirely removed (by me) as a massive copyright violation in 2015: ]. That's never healthy for an article.
:I find it helpful to nail down the corporate history and be clear about which company built what, and when. The ICC valuation reports are invaluable (see ]) for pre-1930 history, which captures most construction and subsequent changes pre-abandonment. You can still keep everything in one article, but it's good to identify precursors. A separate section identifying the main line and branches can be usefully separated out from the history section. If there's a good modern history that can guide structure, but as you say you don't want to follow it ''too'' closely. Mohowski's book published by JHU seems like a good candidate, though I haven't read it.
:Organization is tough. One-sentence paragraphs aren't great; ten-sentence paragraphs aren't great either. I did a rewrite on ] this May that I'm pretty happy with. Admittedly the topic is much narrower in scope. The longest paragraph is about 130 words; if the History section had a fourth paragraph I would have considered sub-headings. ] ] 00:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you for that. I hadn’t actually looked at the Susquehanna talk page, so I should probably give it a full read to find out what not to do. I am primarily using a Morning Sun Books source by Paul Tupaczewski, but I am trying to find other sources from as well, and for when I reach the Delaware Otsego section, I also have some magazine articles to use.
::I am normally used to rewriting pages about individual steam locomotives, so fleshing out company history is sort of new territory for me. I have added some sourced information to company pages before, like the ], but I think the Susquehanna page is my first time fixing the '''majority''' of a company page, if you get what I’m saying. ] (]) 02:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
:::{{tps}} That book looks somewhat helpful, but it also seems more focused on photography. There's a book out there from 2003 which seems more focused on the railroad's history and is likely the most comprehensive source out there. In my research on various railroads, I've found a lot of useful sources on Google books, such as old reports by state railroad commissions or old trade publications (examples , , ). Google books will also have newspaper articles such as .
:::The most comprehensive articles I've written on railroads are my FAs, particularly ] and ]. Hopefully those give you an idea of the sources out there, a mix of books, magazine articles, and newspaper archives primarily. Finding books dedicated to the subject has been key for me in getting articles fully fleshed out, you can see how heavily Wood River Branch Railroad relies on a book published on its history, and a similar story at ] which unfortunately was unsuccessful at FAC this year. ] (]) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I have been thinking about getting a physical copy of Robert Mohowski’s book, but it is pretty expensive, so I might wait until my next paycheck comes in. And yes, Tupaczewski’s book does mostly focus on photography, but a lot of its pages contain information that I couldn’t find anywhere else. I have also already ordered a copy of that 1991 book by Ed Crist and John Krause. Plus, there’s the Susquehanna Reflector magazine run by the Susquehanna Technical and Historical Society, which can be accessed for free , and I think that’s fair play.
::::I will also give those pages you provided a read tomorrow, just to take notes. Thank you for the tips ] (]) 02:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
:@] Hello again. I have an update about that NYS&W page; I’ve completely expanded a significant portion the history section, with a lot of it being sourced by newspaper and book sources. I haven’t started working on the Delaware Otsego section yet, but before I do, would you like to look it over and tell me what you think of what I’ve done so far? ] (]) 01:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] first thing I'd suggest is citation standardization and cleanup; there are multiple styles in use right now. My personal preference is {{t1|sfnp}}, which is one of those present. I find it easier to work with since you can dispense with the ref tags when referencing books. Do you have a preference? ] ] 02:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@]<nowiki> Everytime I reference a book or a magazine in a page, I always use the {{</nowiki>]<nowiki>}} template. Any other templates used to reference a book in that page may have already been there when I started fixing it. I never actually thought there has been more than one way of doing this.</nowiki> ] (]) 03:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::@] Any other suggestions that come to mind? ] (]) 16:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I'm continuing to work on citations. I notice that a lot of the newspapers.com citations don't have linked clippings. ] ] 00:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::The newspapers.com sources I added don’t have links, because I really don’t know how to add links to article clips on that website ] (]) 02:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::There are pretty good instructions at ]. ] ] 11:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::Ah, I never noticed that before. Thank you. ] (]) 15:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:@] @] Another update on the ] page, I’ve completed almost the entirety of the history section, as well as the excursions section. If you two would like to examine the page’s grammar and let me know if you think anything else major needs to be done, I would appreciate that. If you’re both too busy right now, though, I understand. I’m a patient guy. ] (]) 00:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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:: Apologies. I checked my contributions for comments, but didn't find the page anymore. I tried finding it manually, but got bitten by case sensitivity and suspected oversight as a possible explanation for the apparent complete lack of track record (which might have been partially appropriate if there was a copyvio I didn't know about). I don't think that the talk page should have been speedied and have undeleted it (ongoing discussion about the deletion is explicitly cited in CSD as a reason not to speedy), but you were at no fault whatsoever. Sorry for the confusion. :-)--]] 13:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


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Your two edits that said you reverted mine on the ] page are very misunderstanding. The edit that I made is to change "service" to "line" since only one line is used in the system. The reason why I had to do this is so that people can know that it operates on one line only. For one edit, you said that it is not the distinction being made on the page. For the other edit, you said to look at ] and discuss on the article's talk page. These edits are very misunderstanding to me. Please add additional information of why my two edits were reverted. ] (]) 17:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
== Can I remove the tag? ==


:@] in this context, a line means physical infrastructure, while a service uses that physical infrastructure. Transit operators often use line when talking about a service, which can be confusing. Misplaced Pages does not draw the distinction the way you suggest; calling a service a line when it is the only service operated by within that system. ] ] 17:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
The user who has claimed that I (]) was a sockpuppet (or sockmaster, he/she couldn't make up his/hers mind) of another user seemingly simply because I disagreed with him/her, got his/hers request for a CheckUser turned down. Can I remove the "suspected sockpuppet" tag now?
::So I tried editing the ] article and changed "line" to "service" because you said that using "line" may be confusing. I tried editing it to commuter rail "service", but it turns out it got reverted by some user named Coolcaesar. See the to look at the reverted edit and see what you can do about it. ] (]) 19:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
--] 05:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, I'd suggest posting on ]. Not the same article, not necessarily the same situation. ] ] 19:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tps}} Caltrain is double tricky because while there's a single linear route, there are multiple overlapping services on one part and a shuttle service on the other. I think a discussion at ] would be worthwhile. ] (]) 21:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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Well, my attack: I am sorry for being the CIyde vandal and for my attacks on John Reid. I am sorry that I came here, stressing myself, and others out. To further emphasize this, I did create an account with the intention of it being constructive after a three month long meltdown. Hopefully, I will be able to edit constructively, and I am sorry for all the trouble I cause. Yes, people reform, and to be honest, the point of the vandalism was to attract attention to what I see as incivility, and the reasons several of my friends have left here.
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Spammers: I would like for this page to stay reasonably clean. If you have business with me, feel free to leave a comment, else please move on. Please ignore the gigantic eye in the corner with the pump-action shotgun.

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Burlington and Lamoille Railroad

I've looked over Edward Lewis' book Vermont's Covered Bridge Road for mention of operations out of Cambridge Junction, but didn't find anything more than than this mention of the junction (on pages 34 & 36) and a few photos of the station at that location: By 1938 the passenger train was running from St. Johnsbury only as far west as Cambridge Junction where passengers could change to a Central Vermont Railroad (successor to the Burlington & Lamoille Railroad) train and continue on to Burlington. I'm sorry for the delayed response, but Lewis' book has no index; so I had the not unpleasant task of re-reading the text. Thewellman (talk) 01:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Thewellman thanks for checking all the same, I really appreciate it. Mackensen (talk) 10:33, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mackensen

I found an article about Anoop Trevedi who's article is may not meet the notability guidlines of Wikipeida. You may decide what to do.Knowledgegatherer23 (talk) 23:49, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

May 17: WikiWednesday Salon + Queering Misplaced Pages

May 17: WikiWednesday + Queering Misplaced Pages @ BPL + on Zoom
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Is it time to close?

We've had six commentators on my Hank Williams sourcing question at the RS noticeboard. I don't know exactly how many it takes to reach a consensus, but I doubt we're gonna get any more. Tom Reedy (talk) 15:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:S-line/DB-ICE left/10

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Empire Builder crossing Lake Pend Oreille

Another fun puzzle: File:Empire Builder crossing Lake Pend Oreille, June 2005.jpg. It's unquestionably an eastbound (albeit physically headed northwest) on the Lake Pend Orielle bridge near Sandpoint. But four things don't make sense:

  • The photo is dated June 2005, and since it's in an entire album of a single vacation, I'm inclined to believe it. But didn't Amtrak stop running head-end cars in 2004?
  • I'm not aware of Amtrak ever running TOFC, rather than roadrailers
  • Four Superliners is awfully short for the Empire Builder
  • The Empire Builder was scheduled to hit Sandpoint in the dead of night. The sun angle here suggests afternoon.

Could this be a freight that happens to be moving Superliners for some reason? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:35, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535 I agree that a non-revenue move makes the most sense. Four Superliners is plausible for the Portland section, but it's in the wrong place for that, and as you say the light is all wrong. That said, I was on a dreadfully late westbound Empire Builder in 2009 and crossed that bridge in daylight. Amtrak had roadrailers but not TOFC, not that I'm aware of. Mackensen (talk) 20:27, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

June 21: WikiWednesday Salon back in Manhattan!

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Chicagoan and Kansas Cityan

Somewhat by accident, I ended up rewriting the history of the Chicagoan and Kansas Cityan. At this point I might as well go for GA - adding a station list, RDT, route description, and map should be pretty easy. However, I'm short on sources for equipment; Classic American Streamliners doesn't have anything of note. Would you mind a quick perusal through your collection? It looks like you were the one to add the Wayner source.

Side note: I doubt it'll be necessary for this purpose, but should you ever want them, this title mentioned in this edit, as well as this title, seem to be available in person near you. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:28, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535 looks like I added that reference when I wrote the Big Dome article; Wayner should have more on the initial equipment sets. I also own Reed's book. I have Wayner and Hough, Santa Fe passenger train consists, January 10, 1937, which is too old, and Passenger Train Consists; 1923-1973, which didn't sample either train. Yenne's Santa Fe Chiefs is another potential source. I can also check the Trains and Classic Trains archives. Mackensen (talk) 23:36, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Thank you for all your work! --evrik  15:11, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

EMD page comment issue

"undo removal of my comment, which you ignored anyway" I recall getting "edit conflict" as I was trying to put in my own comment, so the removal of your comment was not intentional. Please assume good faith. I noticed you removed mine too, although maybe it was under similar circumstances. Cheers, Graywalls (talk) 23:44, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

@Graywalls I thought it would be reasonable to let you decide if your comment was still relevant, given that I addressed part of your argument. Mackensen (talk) 23:49, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Former Kansas City Southern Railway stations

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July 19 WikiWednesday + New York Botanical Garden Edit-a-thon (July 29)

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"Venturan" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Tyrol S-Bahn colors

Hey, I was looking at the S# colors at Module:Adjacent stations/Tyrol S-Bahn and noticed that they were different than those at Tyrol S-Bahn. Which one uses the correct ones? Gonnym (talk) 06:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

@Gonnym the module; it's based on https://www.oebb.at/dam/jcr:dca525b7-241b-424e-be99-de42a9c3bb62/liniennetz-tirol.pdf. Mackensen (talk) 13:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Grosser Eisenbahn-Atlas Schweiz

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Charles III requested move discussion

There is a new requested move discussion in progress for the Charles III article. Since you participated in the previous discussion, I thought you might like to know about this one. Cheers. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:22, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail

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Thank you for reaching out. I acknowledge your concern and I think you're reading a meaning that isn't there, though I could be wrong. Mackensen (talk) 22:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Cook-Western Maryland

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WikiWednesday (Aug 23) and Governors Island Wiki-Picnic (Sun Aug 27)

August 23: WikiWednesday @ Prime Produce
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Template:Davies-MidiPOLocoList

Hey, do you know if Template:Davies-MidiPOLocoList is needed? It is currently unused. Gonnym (talk) 20:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

@Gonnym Unused and presently unusable--I did a few searches to see if the source is used in the text. I checked on the French Misplaced Pages, and the only citation to any of Davies books appears to be on fr:P8 ex-Prusse, and it's not to the book in question. Mackensen (talk) 20:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll send it to TfD then. Gonnym (talk) 20:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

Sunday: NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Gov Island

August 27: Annual NYC Wiknic @ Governors Island
Group photo from 2012 Governors Island Wiknic

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Fixing Lua error: Coordinates must be specified on Wikidata or in |coord=.

Hia @Mackensen, I noticed you fixed another similar error on a rail station back in May, I was wondering if you could do the same for Beliaghata Metro Station please? Qcne (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@Qcne Done. The fix is to connect the article with the Wikidata item, where the coordinations are defined (Beliaghata metro station (Q109968614)). Mackensen (talk) 16:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Mörel railway station

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Railway guides

FYI, I've created User:Pi.1415926535/US Railway Guides as an index of the various guides. I'm focusing on the 1850s to 1880s for individual links, since the external indexes at the bottom are fairly comprehensive from the 1880s on. Feel free to add any others you find, especially early ones.

Sounds good to me. My interest is primarily before 1880 - after that, there's pretty good map coverage for the areas that interest me - but you're welcome to make it suit your needs as well. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Sun Oct 1: NYC Hispanic/Latinx Heritage Month 2023

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Template:Winnipeg–Churchill train routemap

Hi, I recently edited this template to hide minor stops, much like what I had done with The Canadian. I still don't quite understand the markup though - the line does not quite match up at Gladstone station. Your help is appreciated - thanks! 162 etc. (talk) 16:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@162 etc. I find the collapsible markup tricky myself; I took a stab and couldn't get it to come out right. Mackensen (talk) 16:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York (Oct 21–22) and Wikidata Day (Oct 29)

October 21–22: Wiki.NYC Pavilion for Open House New York @ Prime Produce
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611fan2001

Just to give you a heads up, I wasn’t the one that started the issue, 611fan2001 was the one that caused it. I was only trying to follow the policy and to prevent the article from being vandalized. He’s been doing this for four years already, when ever he sees and edit he doesn’t like, he would go to their talk page and send the user a rude and nasty message very aggressively. When users try to reason with him over his aggressive behavior, he will not accept criticism. But don’t get me wrong. I know yelling at someone and attacking them on their talk page is not ok. Because he still hasn’t been warned yet abd it still baffles my mind that you guys haven’t warn him about his behavior yet, because attacking users on their talk page is not ok and it’s against Misplaced Pages’s policy to do so. 199.180.167.20 (talk) 19:41, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

You should explain on the article talk page why your edits are correct. Mackensen (talk) 19:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

First off, you didn’t even acknowledge what I wrote and said about 611fan2001. He’s been doing this for four years already, he still hasn’t warned yet over his aggressive behavior. He literally attacks users on their talk page and tells what to do and what not to do, as I stated, he won’t take criticism whenever users try to reason with him. Because attacking users on their talk pages is not ok. 199.180.167.20 (talk) 19:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

You're making assertions without diffs. There's nothing for me to respond to. For me, the important thing is you're making a change that doesn't have consensus on the talk page of the article. That's what really matters. People don't agree with your reading of the sources. That's where you should focus your efforts. Mackensen (talk) 19:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with the article changes, again, it’s 611fan2001 that needs to disciplined for his aggressive behavior. This behavior of his is not ok, I don’t have a problem of him following the Misplaced Pages policy, that I’m fine with, it’s his aggressive behavior that needs to be changed. Because it’s not ok to talk aggressive to users on their talk pages. 199.180.167.20 (talk) 20:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I've asked you for diffs in a few places; you're not willing to provide any. I've suggested that you engage on the talk page; you're reverting instead. This won't get you anywhere. Mackensen (talk) 21:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for standing up for me. He’s still the same self-absorbed user for not listening to a word that I just said from late 2022. 🤦‍♂️ 611fan2001 (talk) 22:38, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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Oskar von dem Hagen discussion

Why did you reopen the discussion. A concensus has been reached, so I closed the discussion. Antny08 (talk) 13:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Antny08 Please have a look at WP:CLOSEAFD. If I were closing the discussion, I would say that a consensus had been reached to delete, not redirect. As a participant in the discussion, it wouldn't be proper for me to close it. You're both a participant and the primary author of the article, so it's not proper for you to close it either. Deletion discussions typically run for seven days. Be patient. Mackensen (talk) 14:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
I don’t want to lose my edits though, because if they get deleted then they don’t account when applying for administratorship. Antny08 (talk) 14:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Fandom

Hey do you do editing on Fandom as well because if you do I want you to make a few edits for me since I can’t do it anymore. I’ve been permanently blocked Max the Media Fan (talk) 17:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Self-outing advice

Hi Mackensen, I came over here because you're already interacting with an individual who's been trying to contact Amanda duPont - they're using the accounts User:Sikobuhle and User:Mavela buhle as well as an IP. At one point, they added their name . Since Canterbury Tail had a theory they could be a minor I did a quick Google and although they are an adult, it appears they may have some intellectual difficulties. To me it feels like the self-outing should probably be revdel'd if this is the case; I didn't want to post on AN/I because of how visible it is, hence this comment. If this isn't revdel-worthy, sorry for taking up your time! StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

@StartGrammarTime I think you make a good case, and I've referred it to the Oversight team. Mackensen (talk) 10:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Thank you Mackensen, I appreciate it. StartGrammarTime (talk) 02:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Icons in |zone= parameter of Infobox station

Hey, should icons be used in the |zone= parameter of {{Infobox station}} like in Mammendorf station or regular links? Gonnym (talk) 09:48, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

@Gonnym I don't think there's consensus one way or the other. I haven't seen icons used very often for fare zones, though we likely have them for Central European tariff associations. Certainly they should be smaller. Mackensen (talk) 12:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Glencoe station diagram

Hello, I noticed your deletion of the station diagram for Glencoe station today, and while I noticed some errors with the diagram and your reasoning was justified, I do not fully agree with it but was wondering if a proposition was possible.

I understand that Misplaced Pages is not a guide, but the intention was to show a top-down layout of the station and immediate surrounding area, similar to the photograph(s) shown on many other station pages. The diagram and others like it are not intended to provide wayfinding.

Additionally, you had a valid point in that a station with two tracks does not need such detail, but one notable caveat with this line is that it is left-hand running, and may be a notable quirk for those that visit the page.

Finally, when I looked at the most recent version of the diagram prior to deletion, I noticed some problems with what got published. There are no excuses for that and I will have to polish it up, but the main question is… considering the points I made, and if I ironed out its errors and made it collapsed by default, could I restore it to the page?

I suppose I am making a mountain out of a molehill, but I wanted to give my side of the problem and hear yours before adding it back, or conceding and not adding it back.

Thank you for your time, sorry for the long read at a late hour, and I hope to hear from you soon. Thank you. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 04:05, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hotdog with ketchup thank you for your kind and detailed note. I'm guided by the 2020 RfC on station layouts, which was skeptical about diagrams in certain cases: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2020#Closure of 2019 station layout RFC. I wasn't concerned about potential errors in the diagram--I don't know the area well and wouldn't have spotted them--but simply that a two-tracked station doesn't need an explanatory diagram. I agree that left-hand running is a notable quirk of the ex-CNW lines, and can and should be explained in text, but I don't know that a diagram is necessary to convey that information. Whether that takes us into trivial territory is another matter. I don't think it does, because that is unusual in the US.
I don't feel strongly on the question of including the diagram; if you would like to restore it I won't revert. Mackensen (talk) 09:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you ...

... for using language like "impassioned rhetoric" here rather than language like "hysterical histrionics" which 2-3 contributors to that discussion seem to want to keep repeating to no end! Sincetely, SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome, and I hope you'll consider my advice. Mackensen (talk) 13:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Definitely! Your wording did the trick. You noticed, I hope, that further up I had apologized sincerely for the text formatting? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiWednesday (April 10) and City Tech Library LGBTQIA edit-a-thon (April 11)

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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
For your outstanding work converting Beloit and Madison Railroad from a stub into a proper article, saving it at AfD. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you! Mackensen (talk) 01:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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RFA2024 update: phase I concluded, phase II begins

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May 8: WikiWednesday Salon with new Executive Director

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Chicago, Madison and Northern Railroad

I just created this article and I see that you have access to offline sources, so I think those should be added. Cyber the tiger (talk) 14:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@CyberTheTiger I've started a discussion at Draft talk:Chicago, Madison and Northern Railroad (1886–1903). Mackensen (talk) 01:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

A fox for you!

Your contributions are just amazing! Thank you for all of the information!!! :)

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Oregon (town), Wisconsin

i just added content to this article and know you have access to offline sources. Cyber the tiger (talk) 15:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@CyberTheTiger There are plenty of decent online sources as well; especially for modern railroads. I believe the line in Oregon is actually owned by the city and isn't abandoned. Mackensen (talk) 21:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Trans-Siberian Railway

Hello, I noticed that you reverted my edit on Template:Trans-Siberian Railway. Your revert was justified and I will only be going back to fix one particular row, but I will add that collapsible sections within diagrams are very finicky, and almost never line up, especially between browsers and/or devices. Both before and after my edit, the end station was about half a space off when viewing the template, and a full space in the article (using Safari on an iPhone.)

I will leave the spacing as-is, but I encourage you to look at the same diagram with a different device, as it may look completely different. It is why I avoid working with collapsible diagrams.

Thank you for your hard work, cheers. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 12:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@Hotdog with ketchup I agree completely regarding collapsible sections. I'm not a fan of them in general and never use them with diagrams that I've started. The Trans-Siberian, admittedly, is a special case. My involvement there was limited to migrating it to the routemap style, and IIRC I had a hell of a time getting the spacing to line up as well as it does now. Cheers, Mackensen (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

June 2: Hacking Sunday (+preview of June 8 Wiknic)

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Chicago, St. Paul and Fond du Lac Railroad

I'm starting this article. Cyber the tiger (talk) 20:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Rome Braves players has been nominated for renaming

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Sat June 8: Governors Island Wiknic

June 8: Wiknic @ Governors Island
2023 Wiknic group photo

You are invited to the picnic anyone can edit on Governors Island, at 403 Colonels Row by the ArtCrawl Harlem house.

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Bring a picnic blanket and some potluck, as well as some sunscreen! We'll also provide sandwiches for everyone, and maybe some NYC pizza too, but we encourage you to bring your own favorite dishes to share, especially for those food cultural topics you would like to improve on Misplaced Pages.

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TfD for Template:Warsaw central stations

Any thoughts about the use of {{enlarge}} there and in other RDTs? (Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 19#Template:Warsaw central stations.) Useddenim (talk) 04:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Useddenim I think Gonnym has a point. It seems unlikely that a reader would follow such a small symbol to view the more detailed template. If by chance they do so, they're no longer in the article space and might have some difficult getting back, and the template page itself doesn't have all the article context. In paper maps, you'd indicate a inset with a bounding box and such, but that's not really feasible here. An RfC may well be called for; I don't think there's ever been a broad discussion about this pattern. Mackensen (talk) 09:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

EMD SD9E

You may have noticed that the disruptive PROD on this article references the Australian Railroad IP. The IP address geolocates to Melbourne, one of the two Australian cities this editor frequents. This is pretty clearly that editor evading their block yet again and telling on themselves in the process. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Trainsandotherthings yep. I'm suspicious of the sourcing on EMD SD9E; I have an ILL request open for the Diesel Era article. We'll probably wind up redirecting it. Mackensen (talk) 16:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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Ambiguous rail links

Apologies for forgetting that you fix Ambiguous rail links when I turned off automated reports in my retirement tidy-up. The simplistic query throws up a few false positives. Links from portals are often in an automated "new pages of interest" section aimed at editors and will go away after a while. A few genuine but non-rail targets like Fashion line appear. Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation pages with links/Guide#Railway stations has some hints on fixing the problems; you probably knew everything in there but may be able to improve it. Thanks for continuing the good work, Certes (talk) 23:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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Anonymous user mass reverting your edits

Hi. I've wanted to let you know that I've noticed an anonnymous IP user is mass reverting a lot of your edits without giving any proper rationale. It seems as if this particular IP is targeting you specifically, and I'm not sure why this is the case, but it is clear to me that it is a vandalism-only account. I noticed this while I was editing some articles on the VTA light rail in particular, some of their reverts have restored station layout diagrams with red links due to the deletion of these templates. OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 07:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

I was wondering why I had 67 notifications this morning. Thanks for the heads-up. Mackensen (talk) 10:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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Policy for RDTs

Has there ever been a discussion that clearly established that having RDTs in template space is acceptable? There's yet another RDT at TfD with the usual single-use argument. At some point, it's probably necessary to have WP:TG explicitly allow RDTs. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any actual discussion; it's just convention and the outcome of previous TfDs. RDTs as implemented cut against existing guidelines: hiding content from users, storing article content in the template namespace. Divorcing that content from the article itself creates situations where the two diverge, and also the phenomenon of RDTs that don't have associated articles. I don't know, I'm coming around to the idea that maybe RDTs should move back into their articles. What are the arguments against? Mackensen (talk) 18:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
The main thing is editability - it's much easier to edit (and debug) the RDT on a separate page than when surrounded by the rest of the wikitext, and vastly easier to edit an article without dozens of lines of code that's very different from any other kind of wikitext. It also decreases the chance that a careless search-and-replace or Visual Editor bug messes up the RDT. RDTs (even those not as templates) don't tend to be edited much by newer editors simply because of their complex nature, so I doubt it actually discourages anyone who would otherwise make constructive edits to RDTs. I consider it akin to hosting images (even those highly unlikely to be used anywhere except a single article) on Commons, with the information and image file stored separately from any articles it's used in.
I don't know if it's any less likely for RDTs to diverge if they're directly in the article. It's not going to be any less tricky for newer editors to figure out the RDT code if it's in the article, while experienced editors tend to be aware that RDTs need updated.
At this point, there is also an argument simply from inertia: what tangible benefit would it make to subst all 6,000+ RDTs? Aside from the attribution issues you brought up, there doesn't seem to be any major benefit to editors or readers that would justify the work. Compare to conversion to routemap which greater improved RDT display, or to adjacent stations which greatly simplified the backend. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

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Asking for feedback

Given your experience on Misplaced Pages and the areas around it, I'd like to hear you out, because I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here and I must be missing something. If you or I were to leave someone a message in good faith, and they were to reply that you suffer from delusion, you're mindless, you're an inexperienced, overconfident, careless editor, you're turning articles to shit, and you're incompetent (among other things), surely letting that go on is a liability for the project? In my mind, if it chases away a single potentially productive editor, failing to address it makes us just as responsible for losing the thousands of contributions that productive editor would have otherwise made. And I think it would be naive to say that tolerance of a toxic environment has only chased away one potential editor. For what it's worth, I agree with your stance on civility restrictions; I intended it as a WP:ROPE for him and a compromise for those hesitant about indeffs. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien No, you're not taking crazy pills. It's hard problem and there aren't good solutions. I agree with all you say about the problems of toxicity and editor retention and I've made that point myself in the past. There were a few things about this situation in particular that guided my response:
  1. Keystone18 isn't a new editor. They have ~120K edits since 2018. They and EEng have interacted before. This isn't a case of a senior editor being over-the-top rude to a new editor.
  2. It's arguable that it was in good faith. The two have been involved in some back-and-forth on articles, and one comes to the other's talk page to explain to them how they ought to edit. That does not justify EEng's tone.
  3. The discussion on EEng's talk page included multiple editors who thought that Keystone18 was the last person to be lecturing EEng about how to edit. This was reinforced on the ANI discussion, with at least one other uninvolved editor bringing up Keystone18's use of edit summaries.
  4. The discussion on EEng's talk page hadn't broken down to the point that admin intervention was useful. As I said, I don't think civility restrictions work. An interaction ban would have felt premature, especially since neither party was asking for one.
Enforcing civility shouldn't depend on which editor is "right" on the merits, but if often does and would in this case. I wish I had a useful suggestion because I agree that the problem you've identified exists and we as a project aren't doing a good job addressing it. Mackensen (talk) 02:04, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Thank you. While I believe there are a few good solutions, the community doesn't seem to agree, so what you're saying is entirely reasonable. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:10, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
  • More than anything else, competence consists in knowing one's own limitations. Some editors have extensive skills, others limited, but they're all equally competent so long as each recognizes in what areas he or she lacks skill, and steers clear of those areas. Keystone, despite the efforts of many editors, stubbornly refuses to restrict themself to doing things they have the skills to do, and they are therefore incompetent. The result is the inevitable result when a self-confident incompetent is left unchecked: they destroy stuff.Your sweetness-and-light talk of losing the thousands of contributions that productive editor would have otherwise made is belied by the facts. I can't speak for what Keystone does to articles off my watchlist, but of articles on my watchlist, there's not a single one that they touched that they didn't turn into complete, unreadable crap strewn with gibberish "sentences", reversals of meaning in the course of pointless "copyediting", and utterly screwed-up formatting. For the sake of the articles themselves, instead of simply mass-reverting I went through every one of Keystone's edits looking for anything that might be useful; out of 500+ edits by Keystone, I found maybe five that were helpful, mostly addition of links. Everything else they did was, literally, at best useless and usually destructive. So save the tears. EEng 14:43, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
(Realized in the shower that I forgot this point ...) And, Mackensen, you're mistaken that Keystone and I have been involved in some back-and-forth on articles. For ten days Keystone completely ignored all attempts at communication (including reversion edit summaries, talk-page messages, and pings) and then had the temerity to suddenly appear on my talk page to lecture me with delusional (yes, that's the word, given that other editors had several times tried to set him straight) ideas such as that images must all be on the right, and all the same size, and that hidden comments aren't allowed, and then topped it off by telling me to Open yourself to collaboration with other editors, and consider their input. So, no "back and forth", just one editor wandering around the landscape fucking things up and spouting hypocritical platitudes, while others with better things to do clean up his messes. EEng 19:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
I wasn't meaning to imply that Keystone18 had been responsive; I know that they weren't. My point was simply that Keystone18 wasn't a well-meaning uninvolved editor swinging by to offer disinterested advice. I leave open the question of what kind of reception such a hypothetical editor might expect. Mackensen (talk) 19:37, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, I understand. And now we know Mr. alien understands too. I'm sick and tired of them sticking their bigugly defender-of-the-indefensible nose into things that don't concern them. "I intended it as a WP:ROPE for him" indeed -- that'll be the day. See . Meanwhile, the loose cannon at the root of all this has a super-bad case of ANI flu . There's someone who needs some goddam rope. EEng 04:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

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Floridian train

Hey quick question should the new Floridian train be under "Floridian (Amtrak train)" or "Floridian (train)" as the title? Thanks. Traintrak (talk) 19:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Traintrak I think using the existing name makes sense. There aren't any non-Amtrak trains. Mackensen (talk) 19:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Alright got it Traintrak (talk) 19:45, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Tram stops in Switzerland

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V/Line redirects

You got 2 wrong, should be Warrnambool line NOT Warrnambool line (service) and Gippsland line NOT Gippsland line (service) -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 03:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

@ThylacineHunter no, that's deliberate. In both cases they'd be ambiguous with the physical railway line of the same name. This discussion is better had at the move discussion itself, where I explained my rationale. Mackensen (talk) 03:46, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
I have been informed multiple time when trying to remove this type of ambiguity in the past that WP:COMMONNAME is more important than confusing article names. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 04:01, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
That doesn't match my experience with how article titles and disambiguation are handled. Mackensen (talk) 04:03, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm also not 100% sure whether or not the common name of the physical line has been confused with the service name on these (and also the Serviceton/Ararat railway line. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 04:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

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Advice or feedback

Hello. I’m currently trying to rewrite and expand the history section of the New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway page, since for some reason, quite a few important parts of the company’s history were omitted from it. So far, I just completed this section. Since you you have a lot of experience in Misplaced Pages, I’d like to ask, do you have any advice for me in this regard? I just don’t want to accidentally make it fall under the same trap as the Chesapeake and Ohio Railway page did with copyright issues. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 17:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, one thing happened is that a user substantially rewrote the history section about a decade ago, and that in turn had to be entirely removed (by me) as a massive copyright violation in 2015: Talk:New_York,_Susquehanna_and_Western_Railway#Copyright_problem_removed. That's never healthy for an article.
I find it helpful to nail down the corporate history and be clear about which company built what, and when. The ICC valuation reports are invaluable (see Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Trains/ICC valuations/New York, Susquehanna and Western Railroad) for pre-1930 history, which captures most construction and subsequent changes pre-abandonment. You can still keep everything in one article, but it's good to identify precursors. A separate section identifying the main line and branches can be usefully separated out from the history section. If there's a good modern history that can guide structure, but as you say you don't want to follow it too closely. Mohowski's book published by JHU seems like a good candidate, though I haven't read it.
Organization is tough. One-sentence paragraphs aren't great; ten-sentence paragraphs aren't great either. I did a rewrite on Chicago and Tomah Railroad this May that I'm pretty happy with. Admittedly the topic is much narrower in scope. The longest paragraph is about 130 words; if the History section had a fourth paragraph I would have considered sub-headings. Mackensen (talk) 00:07, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for that. I hadn’t actually looked at the Susquehanna talk page, so I should probably give it a full read to find out what not to do. I am primarily using a Morning Sun Books source by Paul Tupaczewski, but I am trying to find other sources from Newspapers.com as well, and for when I reach the Delaware Otsego section, I also have some magazine articles to use.
I am normally used to rewriting pages about individual steam locomotives, so fleshing out company history is sort of new territory for me. I have added some sourced information to company pages before, like the Chicago, Burlington and Quincy, but I think the Susquehanna page is my first time fixing the majority of a company page, if you get what I’m saying. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 02:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) That book looks somewhat helpful, but it also seems more focused on photography. There's a book out there from 2003 which seems more focused on the railroad's history and is likely the most comprehensive source out there. In my research on various railroads, I've found a lot of useful sources on Google books, such as old reports by state railroad commissions or old trade publications (examples , , ). Google books will also have newspaper articles such as .
The most comprehensive articles I've written on railroads are my FAs, particularly Wood River Branch Railroad and Providence and Worcester Railroad. Hopefully those give you an idea of the sources out there, a mix of books, magazine articles, and newspaper archives primarily. Finding books dedicated to the subject has been key for me in getting articles fully fleshed out, you can see how heavily Wood River Branch Railroad relies on a book published on its history, and a similar story at Narragansett Pier Railroad which unfortunately was unsuccessful at FAC this year. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
I have been thinking about getting a physical copy of Robert Mohowski’s book, but it is pretty expensive, so I might wait until my next paycheck comes in. And yes, Tupaczewski’s book does mostly focus on photography, but a lot of its pages contain information that I couldn’t find anywhere else. I have also already ordered a copy of that 1991 book by Ed Crist and John Krause. Plus, there’s the Susquehanna Reflector magazine run by the Susquehanna Technical and Historical Society, which can be accessed for free here, and I think that’s fair play.
I will also give those pages you provided a read tomorrow, just to take notes. Thank you for the tips Someone who likes train writing (talk) 02:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
@Mackensen Hello again. I have an update about that NYS&W page; I’ve completely expanded a significant portion the history section, with a lot of it being sourced by newspaper and book sources. I haven’t started working on the Delaware Otsego section yet, but before I do, would you like to look it over and tell me what you think of what I’ve done so far? Someone who likes train writing (talk) 01:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
@Someone who likes train writing first thing I'd suggest is citation standardization and cleanup; there are multiple styles in use right now. My personal preference is {{sfnp}}, which is one of those present. I find it easier to work with since you can dispense with the ref tags when referencing books. Do you have a preference? Mackensen (talk) 02:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
@Mackensen Everytime I reference a book or a magazine in a page, I always use the {{harvp}} template. Any other templates used to reference a book in that page may have already been there when I started fixing it. I never actually thought there has been more than one way of doing this. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 03:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
@Mackensen Any other suggestions that come to mind? Someone who likes train writing (talk) 16:16, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm continuing to work on citations. I notice that a lot of the newspapers.com citations don't have linked clippings. Mackensen (talk) 00:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
The newspapers.com sources I added don’t have links, because I really don’t know how to add links to article clips on that website Someone who likes train writing (talk) 02:09, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
There are pretty good instructions at Misplaced Pages:Newspapers.com#Using the "Clipping" function. Mackensen (talk) 11:31, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Ah, I never noticed that before. Thank you. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 15:55, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
@Mackensen @Trainsandotherthings Another update on the New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway page, I’ve completed almost the entirety of the history section, as well as the excursions section. If you two would like to examine the page’s grammar and let me know if you think anything else major needs to be done, I would appreciate that. If you’re both too busy right now, though, I understand. I’m a patient guy. Someone who likes train writing (talk) 00:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 19:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Incentive per diem

Hi Mackensen,

I just created an article today on the incentive per diem boxcar craze that I thought might be of interest to you. Right now it pretty heavily relies on one source. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@Trainsandotherthings oh fascinating, thank you. My later grandfather was a car accountant for the Escanaba and Lake Superior Railroad; he no doubt had opinions on the subject! Mackensen (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Went to read that article and promptly found at least some of the images in the gallery are copyright violations. Editing never ends. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Texas Eagle consist and through cars

I'm not sure if I'm reading the source for this edit of mine correctly - I can't tell whether the coach and sleeper being added are in addition to the through cars, or if it's just a change to how the through cars work. Any insight? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Pi.1415926535 I've read this three times and I'm not actually sure what's going on. Is it just as simple as the Eagle running with additional cars on the days it connects with the Sunset Limited? Mackensen (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
It very well could be - thanks for looking. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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Coaster train service operates on only one line

Your two edits that said you reverted mine on the Coaster train service page are very misunderstanding. The edit that I made is to change "service" to "line" since only one line is used in the system. The reason why I had to do this is so that people can know that it operates on one line only. For one edit, you said that it is not the distinction being made on the page. For the other edit, you said to look at WP:BRD and discuss on the article's talk page. These edits are very misunderstanding to me. Please add additional information of why my two edits were reverted. Hikingboii (talk) 17:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

@Hikingboii in this context, a line means physical infrastructure, while a service uses that physical infrastructure. Transit operators often use line when talking about a service, which can be confusing. Misplaced Pages does not draw the distinction the way you suggest; calling a service a line when it is the only service operated by within that system. Mackensen (talk) 17:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
So I tried editing the Caltrain article and changed "line" to "service" because you said that using "line" may be confusing. I tried editing it to commuter rail "service", but it turns out it got reverted by some user named Coolcaesar. See the revision history to look at the reverted edit and see what you can do about it. Hikingboii (talk) 19:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Well, I'd suggest posting on Talk:Caltrain. Not the same article, not necessarily the same situation. Mackensen (talk) 19:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Caltrain is double tricky because while there's a single linear route, there are multiple overlapping services on one part and a shuttle service on the other. I think a discussion at Talk:Caltrain would be worthwhile. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep up the good work, and thank you :) ✠ Emperor of Byzantium ✠ (talk) 13:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
@The Emperor of Byzantium thank you so much! Mackensen (talk) 16:27, 9 January 2025 (UTC)