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	== Music Hall ==

			==Hello!==
	I'm putting some of the information I added on the Music Hall article back up, such as George Formby Sr. being one of the highest paid entertainers of his day in the Music Hall and Charlie Chaplin jnr. starting off his career, it isn't unsourced it even says on the articles of the two performers. Cheers. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
			Hi, Cassianto,

			I was wondering if you decided to return to the project. I know we had some disagreements years ago but you've been missed! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 19:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			:Hello {{u\|Liz}}, thanks ever so much for your message, that's very kind of you. The jury is currently out deciding if I made the right decision to return, but I guess only time will tell. There's a few bits on here that I wanted to do (time allowing) so hopefully I can be left alone in relative peace to get on with it. I must admit, I can't remember our disagreements, but I certainly bear no grudge. I think it's important to remember that having disagreements is a fundamental part of human interaction and are good and healthy to have. Thanks for popping by and I hope to see you around. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Hello, Cassianto. I, too, want to welcome you back. I remember disagreeing with you from time to time, but I never once doubted that you have made outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia. I hope that resumes and I wish you well. ] (]) 20:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::Thanks Jim. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::Good to see you back! I sent you a gmail message just to check if you got my email!♦ ] 19:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::Thanks {{u\|Dr. Blofeld}}, I've not been receiving your messages, which I find most odd. The Gmail one went straight to my junk. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::::Yesterday I sent a link to my cousin, and he said it was blocked from viewing. It's starting to feel like somebody is monitoring and censoring things! I got your test, see if you get the Got It email. My sister's husband, a fit guy of only 43 almost died of a heart attack last week, artery 98% collapsed.♦ ] 07:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::::I'm so very sorry to hear that, how devastating for your family. There certainly seems to be a lot of unexplained heart problems at the moment. I wonder what's causing it? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 18:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
			:::::::Just sent you an email, did you get it? ♦ ] 17:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
			::::::::I did and replied. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

			== About bloody time! ==
	Hello:

			- ] (]) 14:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
	* https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Charlie_Chaplin&curid=5142&diff=623629879&oldid=623626268
			:<small>Tell me about it! I've missed not having anyone to call a c- ahem ;) ] 15:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)</small>
	: ''(Undid revision -- See WP:LEAD)''
			::I've missed your C bombs, {{u\|Serial Number 54129\|SN}}; it's one of the reasons I returned as I was having withdrawal symptoms. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
			:{{u\|SchroCat\|You're}} too kind, thanks. By the way, where has the "thank" button gone? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
			:Welcome back, good to see you. - Dank (]) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Thanks {{u\|Dank\|Dan}}, good to hear from you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 13:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			:In the best Australianese, I can only echo the section heading... ;-) While we're here, {{u\|Dank\|Dan}} it's good to see you back at TFA...! Cheers, ] (]) 13:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Much thanks, {{u\|Ian Rose\|Ian}}, lovely to hear from you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 15:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
			::Thanks {{u\|Ian Rose\|Ian}}. <s>Btw, can you recommend a TFA article (rerun or not) for ] on 26 January? ] and ] are options, but I'm a little wary because Main Page people tend to scrutinize country and city articles. - Dank (]) 15:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)</s> Striking ... too controversial, we'll find a different day. - Dank (]) 12:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
			:Fuck me dead. I genuinely thought you'd retired for good, even took this talk page off my watchlist. Welcome back. I hope you've been well. ] (]) 21:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			::Ha, I had some unfinished business ] and ], and Mrs Cassianto was getting annoyed with the books hanging around, so I thought I'd get these finished. Hope you're well! '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

			== Email ==
	Please explain. Regards, ] (]) 00:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

			I sent you something this morning and got back "This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address failed: (yours)
	:I don't need to, that's why I provided the link. ]] 07:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

			SMTP error from remote server for MAIL FROM command, blablabla. All messages from my (ip) will be permanently def erred; Retrying will NOT succeed. ♦ ] 11:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

			:I've emailed you back. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 11:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
	:* I don't understand what in WP:LEAD prompted your action. Please <s>explain</s> indicate, communicate, help. Sincerely, ] (]) 15:28, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
			::It blocked the second attempt too! So I just tried sending two urls. ♦ ] 16:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
			:::You got it! ♦ ] 16:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
			::::Thanks very much, yes, and duly forwarded on to others of like mindedness :) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 16:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

			== Good to see your name ==
	:*I don't think the article benefits from your additions. The article is ] and so has undergone many reviews from many editors over the last year. For a start, a lead section should be no longer than four paragraphs long. It should summarise the entire article, which in its current state, does very nicely indeed. Your edit bloats it unneserssarily and is not an improvement IMO, sorry. ]] 22:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
	::*{{tps}} Six paragraphs in the lead was too many. It's also not advisable to change the formatting of the referencing either. A couple of US commas went in there, which wasn't an improvement, and neither was breaking the flowing prose into short, choppy sentences, which reduces readability. - ] (]) 22:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::: Paragraphs: understood. Regarding the reference, do you mean the addition of semicolons? If so, aren't they a standard means of presenting a list in prose (with the benefit of being distinct from any commas used between them)..? Apologies if I've misunderstood your point. If, elsewhere, you mean I removed or replaced some commas, I probably did; as much as shortening sentences might (but not necessarily) reduce flow, so can constructions, for example, such as ", and". Regards, ] (]) 14:35, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::::No, I don't mean anything to do with semi-solons: it's to do with the inclusion of templates into the references. They are not needed, and to have them only in the lead and not elsewhere is questionable. The comma point consists of the addition of US commas to the text where they are not used in BrEng. The final point is that your version was inferior to that that exists: it was full of short, choppy sentances, which had replaced some good, flowing prose. That is not an improvement. - ] (]) 15:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::::: Re the reference, I recalled and so switched to the page-number templates while inserting &nbsp;s to prevent linewrapping between an abbreviation and number, but, yes, I suppose the resulting string of templates isn't as efficient. I'm not sure, though, which commas counted as US, so I'd be grateful if you'd point these out. I'm also now more unsure what you have in mind as short, choppy sentences, especially if the text was now full of them. Here's a "diff" of the sentences before and after:
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			Good to see your name around. I'm not the most active these days, but a positive for the project that you're around. ] (]) 00:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
	<!--(Before)-->
	\| {{Unbulleted list \|list_style=line-height:1.25em; \|item_style=padding-bottom:0.45em;
	\| '''Sir Charles Spencer "Charlie" Chaplin''', KBE (16 April 1889 – 25 December 1977) was an English actor, comedian, and filmmaker who rose to fame in the silent era.
	\| Chaplin became a worldwide icon through his screen persona "the Tramp" and is considered one of the most important figures in the history of the film industry.
	\| His career spanned more than 75 years, from childhood in the Victorian era until a year before his death at age 88, and encompassed both adulation and controversy.
	\|
	\| Chaplin's childhood in London was defined by poverty and hardship.
	\| As his father was absent and his mother struggled financially, he was sent to a workhouse twice before the age of nine.
	\| When he was 14, his mother was committed to a mental asylum.
	\| Chaplin began performing at an early age, touring music halls and later working as a stage actor and comedian.
	\| At 19 he was signed to the prestigious Fred Karno company, which took him to America.
	\| Chaplin was scouted for the film industry, and made his first appearance in Keystone Studios's ''Making a Living'' (1914).
	\| He soon developed the Tramp persona and formed a large fan base.
	\| Chaplin directed his films from an early stage, and continued to hone his craft as he moved to the Essanay, Mutual, and First National corporations.
	\| By 1918, he was one of the best known figures in the world.
	\|
	\| In 1919, Chaplin co-founded the distribution company United Artists, which gave him complete control over his films.
	\| His first feature-length was ''The Kid'' (1921), followed by ''A Woman of Paris'' (1923), ''The Gold Rush'' (1925), and ''The Circus'' (1928).
	\| He refused to move to sound films in the 1930s, instead producing ''City Lights'' (1931) and ''Modern Times'' (1936) without dialogue.
	\| Chaplin became increasingly political and his next film, ''The Great Dictator'' (1940), satirised Adolf Hitler.
	\| The 1940s were a decade marked with controversy for Chaplin, and his popularity declined rapidly.
	\| He was accused of communist sympathies, while his involvement in a paternity suit and marriages to much younger women caused scandal.
	\| An FBI investigation was opened, and Chaplin was forced to leave the United States and settle in Switzerland.
	\| He abandoned the Tramp in his later films, which include ''Monsieur Verdoux'' (1947), ''Limelight'' (1952), ''A King in New York'' (1957), and ''A Countess from Hong Kong'' (1967).
	\|
	\| Chaplin wrote, directed, produced, edited, starred in, and composed the music for most of his films.
	\| He was a perfectionist, and his financial independence enabled him to spend years on the development and production of a picture.
	\| His films are characterised by slapstick combined with pathos, typified in the Tramp's struggles against adversity.
	\| Many contain social and political themes, as well as autobiographical elements.
	\| In 1972, as part of a renewed appreciation for his work, Chaplin received an Honorary Academy Award for "the incalculable effect he has had in making motion pictures the art form of this century".
	\| He continues to be held in high regard, with ''The Gold Rush'', ''City Lights'', ''Modern Times'', and ''The Great Dictator'' often ranked among industry lists of the greatest films of all time.
	}}

			:Thanks Tony. I had some unfinished projects eating away at my conscience, so felt it right to return to get them finished. I hope you're well. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 07:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
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			Echoing this- delighted to see you back. ] (]) 15:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
	\| {{Unbulleted list \|list_style=line-height:1.25em; \|item_style=padding-bottom:0.45em;
	\| '''Sir Charles Spencer "Charlie" Chaplin''', KBE (16 April 1889 – 25 December 1977) was an English actor, comedian and filmmaker who is considered one of the most important figures in the history of the film industry.
	\| He rose to fame during the silent era, becoming a worldwide icon through his screen persona "The Tramp" and a co-founder of United Artists, the first film distribution company owned and run by actors rather than by major studios.
	\| His career spanned more than 75 years, encompassing both adulation and controversy, from childhood performances in Victorian England until a year before his death at the age of 88.
	\|
	\| Born in London, Chaplin's childhood was defined by poverty and hardship.
	\| His father was absent, leaving his mother to struggle financially and he was twice sent to a workhouse before the age of nine.
	\| When he was 14, his mother was committed to a mental asylum.
	\| {{center\|({{big\|↕}} ''create join'')}}
	\| Chaplin began performing at an early age, touring music halls and later working as a stage actor and comedian.
	\| At 19, he was signed to the prestigious Fred Karno company.
	\| This took him to America, where he was scouted for the film industry and made his first screen appearance in Keystone Studios's ''Making a Living'' (1914).
	\| Soon thereafter, he began developing the "Tramp" persona and formed a large fan base.
	\| By 1918, he was one of the best-known figures in the world.
	\|
	\| Chaplin had begun directing films relatively early in his career, a craft he continued to hone as moved to the Essanay, Mutual and then First National corporations.
	\| In 1919, he co-founded the distribution company United Artists, which, when his First National contract expired in 1922, meant he could exercise full control over the films he made.
	\| His first feature-length picture was ''The Kid'' (1921), followed by ''A Woman of Paris'' (1923), ''The Gold Rush'' (1925), and ''The Circus'' (1928).
	\| Despite the rise of sound in film during the 1930s, he continued to make pictures without dialogue, producing ''City Lights'' (1931) and ''Modern Times'' (1936).
	\| {{center\|({{big\|↕}} ''create join'')}}
	\| Chaplin became increasingly political and his next film, ''The Great Dictator'' (1940), satirised Adolf Hitler.
	\| The 1940s were a decade marked with controversy for Chaplin, and his popularity declined rapidly.
	\| He was accused of communist sympathies, while his involvement in a paternity suit and marriages to noticeably younger women caused scandal.
	\| An FBI investigation was opened, forcing Chaplin to leave the United States and settle in Switzerland.
	\| He abandoned the Tramp in his later films, which include ''Monsieur Verdoux'' (1947), ''Limelight'' (1952), ''A King in New York'' (1957), and ''A Countess from Hong Kong'' (1967).
	\|
	\| Chaplin wrote, directed, produced, edited, starred in and composed the music for most of his films.
	\| As a perfectionist, his financial independence enabled him to spend years on development and production.
	\| His earlier films are characterised by a combination of slapstick and pathos typified by the Tramp's struggles against adversity.
	\| Many contain social and political themes, as well as autobiographical elements.
	\| In 1972, as part of a renewed appreciation for his work, Chaplin received an Honorary Academy Award for "the incalculable effect he has had in making motion pictures the art form of this century".
	\| He continues to be held in high regard, with ''The Gold Rush'', ''City Lights'', ''Modern Times'', and ''The Great Dictator'' often ranked among industry lists of the greatest films of all time.
	}}
	}}
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	:::::: Perhaps it's the "After" version's second-third paragraph that fixed your attention..? It's interesting to see this format draw out some of the shortcomings in both versions. Regards, ] (]) 00:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

			:Thank you for the kind message, Jip. Hope to see you around. All the best '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 16:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
	:: No more than four paragraphs: understood. I suspect it was the extra blank lines that supplied the sense of bloat. Are you also saying, though, that:
			::Hi {{ping\|Cassianto}} Good to see you back. I'm really glad your back with your original name, which I thought was cool. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
	::* "who rose to fame in the silent era" is more significant than "who is considered one of the most important figures in the history of the film industry" – i.e. that if only the first sentence of the article could be read, "Sir Charles...Chaplin...was an English actor...who rose to fame in the silent era" is preferable to something like "Sir Charles...Chaplin...was an English actor...who is considered one of the most important figures in the history of the film industry"..?
			:::That's very kind, thank you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
	::* making the first mention of United Artists in the opening rather than the current third paragraph is too early..? (Perhaps, though, with a shorter accompanying description.) UA is/was unique in being the first of its kind and still, nominally, exists, with a name that (thanks to e.g. the Bond movies) may be recognised by a wide readership..?
	:: ~~Yours,~~ ] (]) 14:35, 2 ~~September~~ ~~2014~~ (UTC)		:Great to see you also Cas. Its almost like old times and hope you are well. ] (]) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			::Bless you, {{u\|Ceoil}}, lovely to hear from you. All good here; please give my best to Liz. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
	:::Dipping in here too: UA ''is'' important, but is only one aspect of Chaplin's life and legacy. There's nothing wrong with the current position in the third para, IMO. - ] (]) 15:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::: Its seminal, industry-changing nature and continuing appearances at the starts/ends of movies old and new isn't enough to make it a bit more than another aspect of Chaplin's accomplishments (even with Chaplin as co-founder rather than sole founder)..? ] (]) 00:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)<br/>PS Am now away until weekend.
	:::::Your POV on UA notwithstanding, the lead roughly follows the chronology of the article, and UA is introduced alongside Chaplin's film work, so moving it away from that filmwork is counter-intuative. Regardless of how seminal you think the studio is or was, it has its own article in which to make all those claims, while this one focuses on all the facets of Chaplin and his life, of which UA was just one part. With all the work that's needed on the millions of articles we have, I'm not sure spending hours bouncing opinions together on an already excellent article is constructive: there are many, many more articles that need such time and attention spent on them, and I'd prefer to do just that: I suggest you also move on to work on any one of the parlous articles we have, rather than distract on discussions on how best to guild the lilly. - ] (]) 09:03, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::::* In that case, sorry to've distracted you/Cassianto. Best wishes, ] (]) 08:25, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::::::You haven't distracted me, I just don't see your edit as an improvement. ]] 09:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

			== About the “attack page” ==
	== Keswick again ==

			I was recording the apparent stance of editors of the Gilbert and Sullivan project on infoboxes to make a case about systemic bias on the project as almost all active users don’t seem terribly fond of infoboxes. Even if you disagree with the categorization that hardly constitutes an “attack”, especially in comparison with ]. ] (]) 20:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
	May I pick your brains, my dear Cassianto? At peer review you commented (and I agreed) that the article was probably better suited to the GAN route than the FAC. Doctor B, however, has pitched in good and proper, to very considerable effect, and I should value your candidest view of whether FAC may now be the way to go, if you can face reading the article again. If I may intrude on the hospitality of your talk page I am pinging (see how modern and clever I am with the jargon!) {{ping\|Cliftonian}}, whose views on GAN/FAC were the same as yours. Blunt opinions, please, perhaps on the PR page (still open) or my talk page rather than here, in the circs.
			:Well don't. I don't much enjoy having my name secretly recorded by strangers off the internet. Your list is not only weird and creepy and akin to what the Nazis did in the 1940s, it is also factually wrong. I'm not "anti" anything, and if you bothered to check my article creation history, you'll see that I have included infoboxes on many of the articles I have started. But then you wouldn't have, would you, as it'll ruin your narrative. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			::It’s not “secret” if you found it. ] (]) 20:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
			:::Correction, I was told about it. Secret or not, it's weird. Please remove my name. You've no reason to include it anywhere and accompany it with false information. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

			== Re yesterday ==
	PS. As SchroCat and I were both at the BL this morning, in adjoining reading rooms, we took 15 mins out for coffee in the open-air café in the quad. All very decorous, and not a drop of wine to be seen. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.05em;">]]</span>''' 18:18, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

			Hello Cassianto. Sorry about what happened yesterday. I was overly aggressive and I apologise. I'm not in the business of burning bridges and I'm not going to be starting now. I don't like Misplaced Pages pile-ons and got a bit annoyed at seeing one happen to an editor whom I've had a positive opinion of for a while now. Please don't think I'm a bad faith actor sniping from the sidelines: just trying to do what I think is right, but obviously chose the nuclear option there. Don't want to kill any future collaboration we may have on an article, so coming here to rebuild that bridge. All the best for the future - ] (]) 13:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
	== PR for the Wigan Nightingale ==

			:Dear {{u\|Tim O'Doherty\|Tim}}, thank you for your message. It was an unfortunate situation and not one I wish to see repeated. Whilst it is regrettable that you and I had crossed words, and I bear no grudge, I don't regret my initial concern with my name being used, alongside a false description, on a weird list by a complete stranger. Anyway, let's hope that is now behind us. Best regards. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
	Evening squire,
			::Thanks. Again, I apologise. Never met you before, so regret that was our first interaction. Just to clear the air. Cheers - ] (]) 22:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
			:::I apologise too. Hope to see you around. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

			==And some trolls call me obsessive!==
	After ] came ] is all very much in the cart-before-the-horse territory, but the little clean up of the Formby Snr article got a little out of hand and turned into an overhaul. For better or worse, the Wigan Nightingale is now ] for comments, criticism and complaints. If you have the time or the will I'd be delighted to hear your views, but I appreciate that your Wiki time may be limited. Pip pip – ] (]) 22:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
			Plus ca change with those who "never speak about" such things, unless it's behind people's backs ''and'' in the gutter at the same time! Hope you're keeping well; we'll have to sort out some pre-Christmas drinks with ] sometime. Cheers - ] (]) 22:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

			:Sadly, these people (I can think of other words) will never realise who the real trouble makers are around infoboxes; it's certainly plain enough for the rest of us to see, which leads me to believe that perhaps they're in on it. It's my belief that the reason these infobox trolls and their admin enablers are all so full of their own self importance in the pretend world of Misplaced Pages is that they need to make up for clear inadequacies they have in reality. God forbid if these people are in real life positions of power. I'll be in touch about Christmas - let's arrange something. December is looking more likely than this month. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 07:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
	Just a quick update to let you know ] is now ], if I can persuade you to pop over for a review? Cheers – ] (]) 20:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
			::This is from the old fella (] will pay for his impertinence). You'd both better come round to Riley Towers again in December. A buffet and any amount of wet will be available. Kindly sort some dates out by email; I can't do 1st, 4th or 12th. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 22:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

	== ~~George Formby~~ ==		==Merry Christmas!==
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			\|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: center; height: 1.1em;" \| '''A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!'''
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			<big>Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from ]!</big>
	''']''' ], ] as TFA, the unlikely star, "too stupid to play the bad guy and too ugly to play the hero"! Simple question: I ] without a comma, - both right? --] (]) 05:55, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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	:Thank you {{u\|Gerda Arendt\|Gerda}}, although {{u\|SchroCat}} should take the most credit on this one; ] is ]. Re Gardiner, he should've had a comma as the honorific would otherwise form part of his name without the clause. I checked a dozen FAs before making the edit so it appears correct. ]] 09:48, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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	:: Thank you, will copy to ], --] (]) 10:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
			<big>Cheers</big>
	:: I did it, but have the next question: now it looks like the suffix is born and is a soprano, no? --] (]) 10:07, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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	:::On Jones? No, the parenthesis help there, by acting as a separation from the rest of the sentence. They basically make what is contained within it invisible from the sentence, thus being able to link what was before the date of birth to what comes after. To my English eyes, this looks correct. A dozen or so FAs can't be wrong. ]] 10:13, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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	::Without wishing to get into an infobox discussion, I would say no to it being a vandalistic edit. However, I dare say that some on here would think that having a missing infobox is vandalism, for which I vehemently disagree and make no apologies for ;) ]] 15:37, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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	::::Like I say, this in my mind isn't vandalism, just someone who doesn't know (I like to assume good faith; note the parenthesis) ;). If I remember correctly, {{u\|Brianboulton\|Brian}} uses the double space after a full stop. I think there maybe something technical behind it. At least one space should be used after a full stop, and in fact any clause come to that. Are you referring to the two "ing"'s? Yes, I agree this does sound odd, I'll take a look. ]] 18:13, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
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Hello!

Hi, Cassianto,

I was wondering if you decided to return to the project. I know we had some disagreements years ago but you've been missed! Liz 19:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Liz, thanks ever so much for your message, that's very kind of you. The jury is currently out deciding if I made the right decision to return, but I guess only time will tell. There's a few bits on here that I wanted to do (time allowing) so hopefully I can be left alone in relative peace to get on with it. I must admit, I can't remember our disagreements, but I certainly bear no grudge. I think it's important to remember that having disagreements is a fundamental part of human interaction and are good and healthy to have. Thanks for popping by and I hope to see you around. Cassianto 20:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cassianto. I, too, want to welcome you back. I remember disagreeing with you from time to time, but I never once doubted that you have made outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia. I hope that resumes and I wish you well. Cullen328 (talk) 20:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Jim. Cassianto 21:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Good to see you back! I sent you a gmail message just to check if you got my email!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Dr. Blofeld, I've not been receiving your messages, which I find most odd. The Gmail one went straight to my junk. Cassianto 19:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

Yesterday I sent a link to my cousin, and he said it was blocked from viewing. It's starting to feel like somebody is monitoring and censoring things! I got your test, see if you get the Got It email. My sister's husband, a fit guy of only 43 almost died of a heart attack last week, artery 98% collapsed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm so very sorry to hear that, how devastating for your family. There certainly seems to be a lot of unexplained heart problems at the moment. I wonder what's causing it? Cassianto 18:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Just sent you an email, did you get it? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I did and replied. Cassianto 06:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

About bloody time!

- SchroCat (talk) 14:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Tell me about it! I've missed not having anyone to call a c- *ahem* ;) SN54129 15:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

I've missed your C bombs, SN; it's one of the reasons I returned as I was having withdrawal symptoms. Cassianto 06:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

You're too kind, thanks. By the way, where has the "thank" button gone? Cassianto 06:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Welcome back, good to see you. - Dank (push to talk) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Dan, good to hear from you. Cassianto 13:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

In the best Australianese, I can only echo the section heading... ;-) While we're here, Dan it's good to see you back at TFA...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Much thanks, Ian, lovely to hear from you. Cassianto 15:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Ian. Btw, can you recommend a TFA article (rerun or not) for Australia Day on 26 January? Australia and Canberra are options, but I'm a little wary because Main Page people tend to scrutinize country and city articles. - Dank (push to talk) 15:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC) Striking ... too controversial, we'll find a different day. - Dank (push to talk) 12:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Fuck me dead. I genuinely thought you'd retired for good, even took this talk page off my watchlist. Welcome back. I hope you've been well. Mr rnddude (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Ha, I had some unfinished business here and here, and Mrs Cassianto was getting annoyed with the books hanging around, so I thought I'd get these finished. Hope you're well! Cassianto 21:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

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I sent you something this morning and got back "This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address failed: (yours)

SMTP error from remote server for MAIL FROM command, blablabla. All messages from my (ip) will be permanently def erred; Retrying will NOT succeed. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I've emailed you back. Cassianto 11:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

It blocked the second attempt too! So I just tried sending two urls. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

You got it! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks very much, yes, and duly forwarded on to others of like mindedness :) Cassianto 16:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Good to see your name

Good to see your name around. I'm not the most active these days, but a positive for the project that you're around. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. I had some unfinished projects eating away at my conscience, so felt it right to return to get them finished. I hope you're well. Cassianto 07:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Echoing this- delighted to see you back. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind message, Jip. Hope to see you around. All the best Cassianto 16:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cassianto: Good to see you back. I'm really glad your back with your original name, which I thought was cool. scope_creep 20:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

That's very kind, thank you. Cassianto 21:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Great to see you also Cas. Its almost like old times and hope you are well. Ceoil (talk) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Bless you, Ceoil, lovely to hear from you. All good here; please give my best to Liz. Cassianto 19:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

About the “attack page”

I was recording the apparent stance of editors of the Gilbert and Sullivan project on infoboxes to make a case about systemic bias on the project as almost all active users don’t seem terribly fond of infoboxes. Even if you disagree with the categorization that hardly constitutes an “attack”, especially in comparison with your comparison of me to the Schutzstaffel. Dronebogus (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Well don't. I don't much enjoy having my name secretly recorded by strangers off the internet. Your list is not only weird and creepy and akin to what the Nazis did in the 1940s, it is also factually wrong. I'm not "anti" anything, and if you bothered to check my article creation history, you'll see that I have included infoboxes on many of the articles I have started. But then you wouldn't have, would you, as it'll ruin your narrative. Cassianto 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

It’s not “secret” if you found it. Dronebogus (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Correction, I was told about it. Secret or not, it's weird. Please remove my name. You've no reason to include it anywhere and accompany it with false information. Cassianto 21:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Re yesterday

Hello Cassianto. Sorry about what happened yesterday. I was overly aggressive and I apologise. I'm not in the business of burning bridges and I'm not going to be starting now. I don't like Misplaced Pages pile-ons and got a bit annoyed at seeing one happen to an editor whom I've had a positive opinion of for a while now. Please don't think I'm a bad faith actor sniping from the sidelines: just trying to do what I think is right, but obviously chose the nuclear option there. Don't want to kill any future collaboration we may have on an article, so coming here to rebuild that bridge. All the best for the future - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 13:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Tim, thank you for your message. It was an unfortunate situation and not one I wish to see repeated. Whilst it is regrettable that you and I had crossed words, and I bear no grudge, I don't regret my initial concern with my name being used, alongside a false description, on a weird list by a complete stranger. Anyway, let's hope that is now behind us. Best regards. Cassianto 20:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Again, I apologise. Never met you before, so regret that was our first interaction. Just to clear the air. Cheers - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I apologise too. Hope to see you around. Cassianto 06:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

And some trolls call me obsessive!

Pointless noise and yet still missing the point? Plus ca change with those who "never speak about" such things, unless it's behind people's backs and in the gutter at the same time! Hope you're keeping well; we'll have to sort out some pre-Christmas drinks with the old fella sometime. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Sadly, these people (I can think of other words) will never realise who the real trouble makers are around infoboxes; it's certainly plain enough for the rest of us to see, which leads me to believe that perhaps they're in on it. It's my belief that the reason these infobox trolls and their admin enablers are all so full of their own self importance in the pretend world of Misplaced Pages is that they need to make up for clear inadequacies they have in reality. God forbid if these people are in real life positions of power. I'll be in touch about Christmas - let's arrange something. December is looking more likely than this month. Cassianto 07:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

This is from the old fella (SchroCat will pay for his impertinence). You'd both better come round to Riley Towers again in December. A buffet and any amount of wet will be available. Kindly sort some dates out by email; I can't do 1st, 4th or 12th. Tim riley talk 22:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!

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Cheers

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Hello there, thanks for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2024! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy Christmas

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Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2025! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

	A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
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Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.
Happy Christmas and Best wishes for a peaceful 2025: "Gabriel's Message" performed by the Winchester Cathedral Choir.
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