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			== Son of Zorn redux ==
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	This page is unambiguously promotional.However, every time I try and make a page that isn't promotional you delete me while I'm making the page. I'm trying to create a page about my company as a lot of my interns coming from england find it hard to understand the russian website. The page is factual not promotional. Promotional implies bias which it isn't. If you feel I written biased info tell where it is and I'll delete it. I keep having my page deleted by different "monitors" and so I'm to explain myself ever time. Could please help/ Advise me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yours Independent informtion

			I saw you blocked IP 12.174.0.195 in ]. He is also using 139.104.3.114, which is registered to ]. I have reported that IP to AIV. I guess Zorn is on a Disney vacation right now. ] \| ] 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:@] I reverted and blocked that IP. Thank you! ] ] 07:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:Also {{IPvandal\|99.47.2.33}}, in ] (common Zorn geolocation) is worth looking into, considering most recent edit was Dec. 30 and it has been pretty active ] \| ] 07:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
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			::Also less recent is {{IPvandal\|76.80.167.3}}, last active Dec. 23 and used off and on since 2022 by Zorn. ] \| ] 07:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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	My information was true considering the fact that a news report confirmed it, so they had no business deleting it, because either way it was true,they probably didn't even try searching it up! Here's the report: http://www.newsnet5.com/entertainment/celebrity/nicki-minaj-gets-animated-for-steven-universe_09416171

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	If they were following the rules then they could have easily done some research to see if it was true or not. I did.So I hope they got a notification too. {{unsigned\|Emarldquatz}}
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	Hi EvergreenFir, please do not forget to add ] to the MRMPS notifications (]). Thanks for keeping an eye on the article. It's such a drama fest with new editors coming in every day and citing Misplaced Pages's article about ] as a source. Like, seriously? --] (]) 21:06, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
			* A ] is happening in January 2025 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the ]. ]
	:{{re\|Sonicyouth86}} Totally forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder! ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 03:27, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
	:{{re\|Sonicyouth86}} What is the issue with ]? ] 06:32, 2014-09-11 (UTC)
	::{{re\|TheCrimsonSea}} Please read ]. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 05:36, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::@EvergreenFir: Thank you! {{re\|TheCrimsonSea}} The Misplaced Pages page ] is not a reliable source for other Misplaced Pages articles, see ]. Moreover, A Voice for Men is not a reliable source (as EvergreenFir has indicated). --] (]) 14:03, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

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	Hi EvergreenFir. What's wrong with my edits? I'm just trying to remove undue criticism of the SPLC. I haven't added my personal analysis at all. Cute nickname btw. ] (]) 22:21, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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	::{{re\|Venusianmyth}} Ugh I think I chose the wrong template... was supposed to be about ]. Moreover, the section has been the subject of extensive discussion on ]. If you think something needs changing, please bring it up on the talk page per ] format. Also, please do be careful when discussing other editors, like you did in {{diff2\|626129060\|this edit}}. One of the pillars of Misplaced Pages is to ]. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 22:28, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
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			== About your block of MichealRodent1955 ==
	== ANI ==

			Sockpuppet of MichaelRodent1923, I'm guessing,   –] (]) 21:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	Oh well. Perhaps an RFC/U would work. Frankly I've stayed away from the drama pages because of the endless and feckless controversy lately. I am happier doing my mindless gnomish editing. Thanks. – ] (]) 08:12, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

			:@] certainly seems that way! ] ] 21:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Eric Corbett ==

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	It appears that you posted about Eric Corbett a little after 0400 GMT and it was closed a little before 0800 GMT. (Incidentally, that is the middle of the night in Washington and New York, but if a thread is closed in less than four hours, it is always the middle of the night somewhere.) It appears that some admins at ] no longer even want to discuss him. It does appear now that you have a reasonable list of issues, the right length and conciseness, for an ArbCom filing. Unfortunately, I think it is ArbCom time, since ANI has decided (with some but not much accuracy) that all discussions of him are broken. Some editors have a concept that he is an "excellent content creator" and so gets a pass on civility because he is a net positive to the encyclopedia. I would like to propose that the ArbCom be asked to say that he is a positive in article space and so should be encouraged to work in article space and article talk space, but that he is a negative in WP and WT space, and should be space-banned from Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages Talk space. If you have the energy left to go to the ArbCom, I will support you. ] (]) 15:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
	:I would say give it a few weeks til GGTF matter closes since there are problems with making it that general and not focusing on Eric who has been so problematic in his own right. Also, focus on non-personal talk page diffs (unless he goes somewhere to harass someone) and anything he does from 9/24 on. Who knows, he may reform and it may not be necessary! A girl can dream.
	:I'm saving that ANI as an example of "you can do what you want on your talk page" in case certain accusations about things I wrote on mine come up :-) The glass is always half full - if it wasn't I'd have left here years ago!! {{Smiley}} <small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:53, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
	::Pardon the interruption: yes, editors are given more leeway on their own talk page. Admins and editors can't, and shouldn't want to, police all the glasses in all the bars on Misplaced Pages. And now I'm on my way. ] (]) 17:49, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::{{re\|Drmies}} Leeway has been given time and time again. This if so far beyond what is acceptable, it's really hard to believe anyone turns a blind eye to it. Any new user would have been blocked indef for 1/10 the level of personal attacks or incivility. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 20:00, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
	*Just popping by. I know you mean well, EvergreenFir, but I've been around here for eight years; Corbett is not your problem. Trolls from 4chan and Reddit are your problem. Bullying Corbett will just throw fat on a smoldering fire that attracts nothing but drama. If you want to do something useful, try going after the people who are trolling Zoe Quinn's article, or the folks who have inappropriate double entende user names and signatures who are clearly trying to egg on Corbett to further their own "mens rights" agenda. You are getting sidetracked by a non-problem. Corbett is just a curmudgeon who insults everyone equally, men and women both. You and Carol are both looking like idiots to keep after Corbett. Go find some real trolls and do the courageous thing to take them on. ]<sup>]</sup> 23:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
	::{{re\|Montanabw}} Thanks (?) but I already do those things. I think {{U\|Gogo Dodo}} and {{U\|Daniel Case}} can attest to the patrolling of user names and vandals. Also I've made ANIs about attacks on Misplaced Pages by 4chan, a school department, that US House of Reps IP address, and ]. If adding Corbett to my list makes me an idiot, so be it. I'd rather be right and an idiot than enable an abusive editor. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 01:00, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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	:::Well, given that I got accused of being a man by CMDC over on the GG task force page, so clearly I'm on the outs with the ] of the GGTF, I don't expect that you would be prone to trust or listen to me. But I wish you would listen and believe me when I say that Corbett is not a person who needs a mob with pitchforks going after him. He's sometimes a jackass and uncivil, but he's not the problem on wikipedia just because he uses some bad words that people like me in the USA find far more offensive than do (male) people of his generation in the UK. He reminds me of a grumpy uncle of mine who used to preface everything he disagreed with by the word "damn" (I joke that as a kid I thought "damndoctors" "damnlawyers" and "damnpoliticians" were one word until I was disabused of the notion in first grade). In other words, Corbett is a grumpy curmudgeon, but essentially harmless and a good content contributor who doesn't need the scapegoating he seems to draw upon himself (you will go away, some other person - and probably a guy - will get called a bad name next week and go crying to ANI about Corbett again. It's just the usual). You will not win a battle or a war for the things in which we both believe (which I think include basic feminist principles of respect for women and their contributions both on-wiki and to society in general) by going after Corbett, so I really do strongly recommend you drop it before his talk page becomes a magnet for the men's rights trolls who will just feed him straight lines so he shoots off his mouth while they sit safely on the sidelines being a Greek chorus. If he's banned, their crap will continue. He's not, to the best of my knowledge and belief, a part of any of the Reddit/4chan stuff. Not worth your energy and time, seriously. ]<sup>]</sup> 02:38, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
	::::{{re\|Montanabw}} I appreciate you offering what seems to be earnest advice. But don't jump the gun thinking I'm on Team Carol. Honestly I have more weariness of Carol than you due to the whole "TERF" thing. I do see her attacked frequently and find that unacceptable, so I've defended her in the past, but something tells me we have very different views re: feminism and transgender rights. I've seen you around, but haven't interacted much with you so I have no reason not to trust you, though defending Corbett isn't helping terribly. I'm leaving this issue be for a bit as I'm thoroughly annoyed at the lack of integrity on ANI but also I have real-life issues that are more important (like submitting a dissertation proposal by Monday). What infuriates me is the hypocrisy of allowing certain editors to run roughshod and decimate a pillar of the community, while punishing less experienced, more ignorant editors for actions 1/10 the severity. I would support any ARBCOM action, but I am unlikely to initiate any unless things get worse (again). ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 02:59, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
	::::<small>One nice thing about being genderqueer and accepting all pronouns is that I'm never misgendered. ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 03:22, 24 September 2014 (UTC)</small>
	:::::<small>I always thought gender = stereotype = YUK! and thus call self "pangender" in sense of "above gender roles". Plus "Sex" (male, female, intersex/changed sex) is easier to figure out.) But I put up with gender in "gender gap" because it's better than "sex gap"!</small> <small>'''] (])'''</small> 11:40, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
	{{od\|::::}}Hmmm. What pillar of the community was decimated? I missed that drama, apparently. Yeah, I mostly edit horse articles, but Corbett was very helpful to me in my first near-solo attempt to take an article to FAC (I had always been part of a large team for prior efforts). I would agree that punishing newbies for newbie mistakes is not good. ]<sup>]</sup> 04:00, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
	:{{re\|Montanabw}} Referring to "]". ] ] <small>Please {{]}}</small> 04:22, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
	::I've occasionally collaborated with Eric, and while not trying to sound sycophantic, he knows his stuff when it comes to writing and researching an encyclopedia. Most of the time, when Eric gives it with both barrels, it is somebody who has turned up unannounced on his talk page and started belittling or patronising him. It isn't ''always'' this - I can recall the odd time where Eric slammed a newbie editor because they made poor quality edits to an article he took through FAC and tried to call him out on it - but those are rare events that on their own probably wouldn't warrant a sanction as they're not frequent, and he is still doing what he genuinely believes is best for the project. I do not believe you will find a single instance where Eric has made an ''unprovoked'' attack on an editor anywhere (and negative views on a noticeboard stating his opinion is not an attack).
	::However, I've found that he tend to call it as he sees it, so if you start work on an article, gathering good sources, and genuinely want help in your writing or your choice of material, he (or a qualified talk page stalker) will help out. I don't make an issue of it, but the reason I started the thread about ] specifically on Eric's page is partly because I knew I would get help, but also because I hoped it would divert attention away from people who like to turn up to his talk page and badger him. The best advice I can give it - '''take Eric's talk page off your watchlist'''. I can't think of any reason you need to watch it. I restrict my watchlist to articles I have taken to GA / FA / DYK or am planning to - it works well. (Even then, I can still be prone to jumping in to revert good faith but misguided IP edits all the time). ] ] ] 08:37, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
	:::I think by now Eric and his friends have gotten the message that saying things like "the easiest way to avoid being called a c* is not to act like one." will get a lot of women and men mad at you for a long time. Admitting they got the message would help prevent allusions to it from popping up from time to time in those still hurt by it. But whatever... <small>'''] (])'''</small> 11:34, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Son of Zorn redux

I saw you blocked IP 12.174.0.195 in Anaheim, California. He is also using 139.104.3.114, which is registered to Disneyland. I have reported that IP to AIV. I guess Zorn is on a Disney vacation right now. wizzito | say hello! 06:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Wizzito I reverted and blocked that IP. Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 07:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Also 99.47.2.33 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), in Pasadena, California (common Zorn geolocation) is worth looking into, considering most recent edit was Dec. 30 and it has been pretty active wizzito | say hello! 07:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Also less recent is 76.80.167.3 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log), last active Dec. 23 and used off and on since 2022 by Zorn. wizzito | say hello! 07:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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About your block of MichealRodent1955

Sockpuppet of MichaelRodent1923, I'm guessing, who appears to be a evading a block. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 21:15, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

@Skywatcher68 certainly seems that way! EvergreenFir (talk) 21:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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