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| <noinclude></noinclude>can u mail me, how much cost of a windpower plantation of an single. how much energy output. how much duration of time to install. all total cost of an one install. | <noinclude></noinclude>can u mail me, how much cost of a windpower plantation of an single. how much energy output. how much duration of time to install. all total cost of an one install. | ||
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| Kim, in a few cases you are calling things "POV" problems but what they're really turning out to be are ] problems -- the article content isn't supported by the source. You will get better traction with your concerns if you stop talking about them as POV problems and start pointing them out as WP:V problems. <code>]]</code> 19:11, 27 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :When i am talking about POV issues, i'm not talking about ] problems. I am talking about a slant based upon a one-sided or cherry-picked read of sources. Basically what ] is about and ] is specific concerns itself about. I'm not a newbie editor, i've been editing the climate change articles, where such issues are often raised for the last several years. | |||
| :How do you think an error such as "e-cigs are as dangerous cigs" can sneak itself in? It does so because the editor in question wasn't considering what it was that was said, and no alarm-bells chimed when editing the sentence... it lends itself to either of two conclusions: 1) unfamiliarity with the topic area 2) a personal view that matches the text. Both of which do not bode well for the huge amounts of edits done. | |||
| :I'm not going to edit-war, and will keep myself to a strict 1RR, which is why i haven't corrected anything in the article. --] 19:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't know if you're a newbie and am not asserting you are. I am saying that in certain cases you are using "NPOV" in a way that isn't in line with the actual problem, and that is getting in the way of seeing those problems resolved. Your statement that "the editor in question wasn't considering what it was that was said" is describing a ] problem, not an ] problem. ] is a technical term of art on Misplaced Pages. I am trying to be helpful but if I'm not coming across as helpful I will leave it to others to try to help. <code>]]</code> 19:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::I was using POV in this case, because the sentence displayed a point of view that is not even supported by a one-sided reading of the literature. Yep it was ''also'' unverifiable, which is also the case with some of the statements in the lede - but that doesn't mean that the edits do not display a certain POV. --] 19:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC) -- ie. POV and V are not mutually exclusive. --] 19:36, 27 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Re, "POV and V are not mutually exclusive." -- Per the definitions of the concepts, I disagree, but it probably would not be a productive to get into a big debate about it. My advice is: If it's a ] problem, prefer to call it that, people prefer to deal with ] problems over ] problems. <code>]]</code> 19:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::You can write lots of things that are verifiable, but which are significantly POV. For instance "anthropogenic global warming is negligible" is verifiable but at the same time a tiny minority to fringe view, and thus shouldn't per ] even be considered in an article on mainstream climate change. (see ] which addresses this) | |||
| :::::But to continue at the e-cig article, the editor removed the sentence ''"Electronic cigarettes should have fewer toxic effects than traditional cigarettes"'' which is verifiable, and supported by the weight of literature, and exchanged it with the unverifiable ''"Electronic cigarettes are generally perceived erroneously as less hazardous than traditional cigarettes, when their health risk is similar"'', to correct for this the editor didn't return the old sentence, but instead chose to write about something entirely different with an implied slant of "e-cigs are as dangerous as e-cigs" .... that ''is'' either POV or incompentence. --] 19:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
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User talk:KimDabelsteinPetersen/Editing Principles - some things that i considered for the ArbCom case, but on seeing how it developed into person-problems rather than content and editing issues, didn't put in after all.
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Fossil treelines, et al
This is really a "thank you" for challenging my thinking, and catching a dumb error, over at the HS page. What a pleasure, particularly compared to interacting with the Wikilawyer at the Other Page... Once again, welcome back, and stay sharp! Cheers -- Pete Tillman
about wind power cost per one installization.
can u mail me, how much cost of a windpower plantation of an single. how much energy output. how much duration of time to install. all total cost of an one install.
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