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Mass murderer category

Should we add categories of German or Austrian mass murderers for Hitler? This is a very heated topic but is it necessary here or is that reserved for those who were directly in charge of concentration camps? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I would say not, as (technically) he did not personally kill anyone. It will just ass slowness and words without any real benefit. Slatersteven (talk) 15:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

No, while he caused mass death, he left the dirty work to others. There are lots of people who did that, we don't call them "mass murderers" either. Acroterion (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

And I bring this up because other dictators who have been accused of mass murder have this category on their articles. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 15:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Slatersteven 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 15:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Such as? Acroterion (talk) 15:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Bashar Al Assad, Saddam Hussein, Fulgenico Batista, etc. I also added to their talk pages if you’d like to contribute there. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Maybe, but you need a better argument than other stuff, as I can also find examples where we do not. Slatersteven (talk) 16:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

What constitutes adding that category? Why don’t we add it towards mobsters who ARE known to have murdered people in mass? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I also added to talk pages of several dictators accused of mass murder that don’t have the category as of yet. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 16:03, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Well lets see, because some people actually take part in the killings, they do not just order them. Some people give direct orders as to who to kill, others give a direct order to kill. Different people have different histories. Slatersteven (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

I think we should Starmaglclove (talk) 07:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hitler killed 130000 max Not 3 mil 2A02:A03F:80CF:F300:1944:E13B:2E62:C8CA (talk) 17:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Annh07 (talk) 17:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Furkan1907 (talk) 18:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Adolf_Hitler#/media/File:Adolf_Hitler,_20._april_1945.jpg_(2).jpg This photo is from March 20, 1945, not April 20, 1945. https://www.reddit.com/r/ww2/comments/sq01hc/adolf_hitler_march_1945/ https://twitter.com/ww2turkiye/status/1785209094082617803 https://www.hitler-archive.com/photo.php?p=33QYTKfe

The photo was clearly taken on March 20, 1945.

None of those are RS. Slatersteven (talk) 18:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Photographs taken at the same place and location, at the moment when Hitler saluted the young soldier. Furkan1907 (talk) 13:17, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Adolf_Hitler#/media/File:Adolf_Hitler,_20._april_1945.jpg_(2).jpg https://www.hitler-archive.com/photo.php?p=33QYTKfe If there is no problem with vision, it can be understood that both were taken at the same place and time: March 20, 1945. Furkan1907 (talk) 13:20, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The description of the photo on Misplaced Pages also says March 20, 1945, but let me explain further. April 20, 1945 is wrong. Furkan1907 (talk) 13:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

An anonymous person changed the date on the photo at the Commons on Dec 23/24. I have changed it back, because that's what this source says. April 20, 1945, was Hitler's last birthday and his last visit to the surface. He gave medals to several young soldiers. That's what we are seeing in the photo. This source has an incorrect date, because it shows the same event, which took place on Hitler's birthday, and was his last public appearance. Diannaa (talk) 15:40, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpHfAdKeXkQ&t=30s 0.30 Mark Felton, a master of historical research, also says it was March 20.

In fact, from the many photos I posted, Hitler's coat, Artur Axmman's stance, the bald man in the background, clearly showed that these photos were taken at the same place and time on March 20, 1945. Furkan1907 (talk) 17:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Now that I have a minute to get the books out, I can tell you that Beevor covers this in chapter 17 ("The Fuhrer's Last Birthday") of The Fall of Berlin 1945,. The description of Hitler meeting Hitler Youth is on page 251. "That afternoon, in the ruins of the Reich Chancellery garden, the Fuhrer worked his way slowly down a line of Hitler Youth, some of whom had received the Iron Cross for attacking Soviet tanks."Evans, in volume III (The Third Reich At War), describes that part of Hitler's final birthday on page 722. "Hitler emerged into the open briefly to review a small detachment of Hitler Youth in the Chancellery garden..." Diannaa (talk) 05:56, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

It is not clear that the date written in the book is the same as that date. But the photographs I posted are clearly taken at the same place and time on March 20, 1945. https://www.reddit.com/r/GermanWW2photos/comments/ufvt7p/adolf_hitler_inspects_soldiers_of_hitler_youth/

Notice the white-skinned bald man in the back. Furkan1907 (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/Adolf_Hitler#/media/File:Adolf_Hitler,_20._april_1945.jpg_(2).jpg Furkan1907 (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

An anonymous person on Reddit is not a good a source for information on this topic. Richard J. Evans is the retired Regius Professor of History at the University of Cambridge, and Antony Beevor is a visiting professor at Birkbeck, University of London, and the University of Kent. Diannaa (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpHfAdKeXkQ&t=30s 0.30 Master of history researcher Mark Felton says this date is March 20. There is no need to insist on the wrong date and give readers false information. Furkan1907 (talk) 08:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Mark Felton Productions is a STRICTLY NON-POLITICAL history channel presenting films by leading military historian and author Dr. Mark Felton on a variety of fascinating historical subjects, with particular focus on WWII and the Cold War. Mark is a well-known British writer, the author of 22 non-fiction books, including bestsellers Zero Night and Castle of the Eagles, both currently being developed into movies in Hollywood. He has written extensively on Japanese war crimes, POW camps, Nazi war criminals, the Holocaust, famous escapes, Hitler and other Nazi leaders. In addition to writing, Mark also appears regularly in television documentaries around the world, including on The History Channel, Netflix, National Geographic, Quest, American Heroes Channel and RMC Decouverte. His books have formed the background to several TV and radio documentaries. More information about Mark can be found at: www.markfelton.co.uk https://en.wikipedia.org/Mark_Felton Furkan1907 (talk) 09:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

And Beevor has written, what is regarded as pretty much the definitive book about the last days of the Reich (and AH). Why would we ignore that in favour of a (relatively) unknown?Pincrete (talk) 10:16, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

You wrote in such a way that Mark Felton seems like an NPC passing by on the street. Furkan1907 (talk) 15:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I gave up. Let that article remain as a wrong date. Do whatever you want. Furkan1907 (talk) 15:15, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

http://markfelton.co.uk/2016/04/ Furkan1907 (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

One more source: Albert Speer was actually there in the Chancellery Garden that day, and he says it was on Hitler's birthday, April 20. Inside the Third Reich, page 598 of the 1971 paperback. Sometimes sources disagree on things; what we do in cases like that is go with consensus. So yeah, please drop it now, as consensus is against you this time. Diannaa (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Felton's reputation far from of Beevor and even farther away from that of Richard Evans and Ian Kershaw; the latter who also writes the event occurred on Hitler's last birthday of 20 April 1945. See chapter 28 ("Extinction") of Hitler: A Biography, pp. 922–923. And as Diannaa states we must go with WP:RS consensus. Kierzek (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Hatnote edit request

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Please change the hatnote at Adolf Hitler#Ancestry from {{see also|Hitler family|Origin theories of Adolf Hitler}} to {{see also|Hitler family}}. The second link is redundant as it was redirected to the first in this AfD. Thanks, UpTheOctave! • 8? 19:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

done. Rainsage (talk)

Torturer category

Would the torturer category be appropriate here? 2600:100C:A21D:971A:3DFA:A9B2:FCD8:A60 (talk) 06:06, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

No. Slatersteven (talk) 10:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Any reason for this? 2600:100C:A21D:971A:19F4:96E7:9B0B:1686 (talk) 20:55, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

He personally did not torture anybody. Diannaa (talk) 02:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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