Misplaced Pages

Talk:Palestinian stone-throwing: Difference between revisions

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 01:13, 10 November 2014 editRoscelese (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers35,788 edits →Non-notable incidents: re:← Previous edit Latest revision as of 20:13, 19 September 2024 edit undoLowercase sigmabot III (talk | contribs)Bots, Template editors2,303,727 editsm Archiving 1 discussion(s) to Talk:Palestinian stone-throwing/Archive 6) (bot 
(872 intermediate revisions by 66 users not shown)
Line 1: Line 1:
{{Arab-Israeli Arbitration Enforcement}}
== Non-notable incidents ==
{{oldafdfull| date = 2 November 2014 (UTC) | result = '''keep''' | page = Palestinian stone-throwing }}
{{WikiProject banner shell|class=B|
{{WikiProject Israel|importance=}}
{{WikiProject Palestine|importance=mid}}
}}
{{User:MiszaBot/config
|archiveheader = {{talkarchivenav}}
|maxarchivesize = 75K
|counter = 6
|minthreadsleft = 3
|minthreadstoarchive = 1
|algo = old(90d)
|archive = Talk:Palestinian stone-throwing/Archive %(counter)d
}}
{{archives|search=yes}}


== Fix false sentence in first paragraph. ==
This ] for anybody killed by a thrown stone. Since reliable sources discuss this as a phenomenon, we should primarily be reflecting their coverage, rather than listing a bunch of incidents that can't support their own articles. –] (] ⋅ ]) 14:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
: You have a point, and I agree that this page shouldn't list all such incidents. Perhaps we could create a list of people who were killed or severely wounded in Palestinian stone-throwing and link that list from here. It does perhaps make sense to keep of few of these, just to show that the phenomenon is wide-spread. ] (]) 17:44, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
::I don't think we need to ''show'' that the phenomenon is widespread (and I'd be just as against a list of non-notable news stories in a separate article as here). Surely at least one of our sources ''says'' it is widespread. –] (] ⋅ ]) 18:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
:::I disagree. 1.) The extent and type of harm (death, loss of an eye) caused by stone-throwing is pertinent. 2.) it is not good form to gut an article that you are attempting to get deleted. 3.) I propose that we get opinions form a larger number of editors before removing large swaths of material.] (]) 18:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
::::I !voted to ''keep'' this article, but if you're going to continue ] behavior, you're going to lead people to want to TNT it. Re 1, if it's pertinent to the subject as a whole, you should be able to source it from the scholarly discussion that supports the rest of the article, not from ] stories. –] (] ⋅ ]) 18:23, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


{{Edit extended-protected|Palestinian stone-throwing|answered=yes}}
I've looked through this, and I think the material should go back in. There's value in having a clear identification of exactly how many people have been wounded, how, by the stone throwing. That's something people are likely to debate, and having a clear and well-sourced answer here would add value. ] How many more do you need for consensus? ] (]) 01:02, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
:I think you should stop ]. It will not help your campaign and it will not help your future editing prospects. –] (] ⋅ ]) 01:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


<!--Don't remove anything above this line.-->
== Ed Said said ==


I was surprised not to see anything about the Ed Said rock throwing incident here. From the NYTime


* '''What I think should be changed (format using {{tl|textdiff}})''': The sentence in the first paragraph beginning "The majority of Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers" should be changed to "Some Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers"
'Mr. Said's action drew some sharp criticism last summer. Mr. Said said he was having a stone-throwing contest with his son and called it a ''symbolic gesture of joy'' at the end of Israel's occupation of Lebanon."


* '''Why it should be changed''':
I don't know how to add a picture but this is the famous one.<ref>www.classicalvalues.com/SaidRock.jpg</ref>
This statement is not supported by the source article. In fact, the source article says the opposite. It states "Some Palestinians, in contrast, see stone throwing as a symbolic act of resistance, practically nonviolent due to the disparity in force..." To claim that a "majority" of Palestinians feel a certain way is blatantly false when the article only says "some" Palestinians feel that way.


* '''References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)''':
So besides being what it is, it is considered a symbolic gesture. Rather hard to get behind rock throwing as symbolizing joy. I guess some Palestinians are just naturally joyful since there is a fair amount of rock throwing going on.
The source itself: Maia Carter Hallward, Transnational Activism and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Palgrave Macmillan 2013 p.50 <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=JzawAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA50#v=onepage&q&f=false</ref>


: I thought this was some joke, but it is serious and it is notable. Perhaps somebody add this to the article indeed. ] (]) 17:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC) ] (]) 23:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> I changed majority to some and also ] the parts about youths engaged in the practice and seeing it as a method of deterrence, as none of this was mentioned in the source. ] (]) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2024 ==

{{Edit extended-protected|Palestinian stone-throwing|answered=yes}}

<!--Don't remove anything above this line.-->


* '''What I think should be changed (format using {{tl|textdiff}})''':In the first paragraph, the sentence "The state of Israel considers has passed laws to sentence throwers convicted of the charge to up to 10 years imprisonment even without proof of intent to harm." should be changed to "The state of Israel has passed laws to sentence throwers who endanger the safety of someone inside a vehicle to up to 10 years imprisonment."
* '''Why it should be changed''': The source publication doesn't support the original statement at all.

* '''References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)''': Ruth Linn, Conscience at War: The Israeli Soldier as a Moral Critic <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=tG2n5oUhxaUC&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q&f=false</ref>

] (]) 23:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
<!--Don't remove anything below this line-->
{{reftalk}}
:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> I found a confirming the existing claim in the ] section. I replaced the citation in the lead since it was not relevant to this claim. ] (]) 00:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

== Edit Request ==

The title of Palestinian rock-throwing could be a more suitable title for neutrality. "Stone-throwing" evokes religious stereotypes such as "stoning". ] (]) 19:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:13, 19 September 2024

Warning: active arbitration remedies

The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. This article is related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing this article:

  • You must be logged-in and extended-confirmed to edit or discuss this topic on any page (except for making edit requests, provided they are not disruptive)
  • You may not make more than 1 revert within 24 hours on any edits related to this topic

Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page.

Further information
The exceptions to the extended confirmed restriction are:
  1. Non-extended-confirmed editors may use the "Talk:" namespace only to make edit requests related to articles within the topic area, provided they are not disruptive.
  2. Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not required.

With respect to the WP:1RR restriction:

  • Clear vandalism of whatever origin may be reverted without restriction. Also, reverts made solely to enforce the extended confirmed restriction are not considered edit warring.
  • Editors who violate this restriction may be blocked by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offence.

After being warned, contentious topics procedure can be used against any editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process. Contentious topic sanctions can include blocks, topic-bans, or other restrictions.
Editors may report violations of these restrictions to the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard.

If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it here on this talk page first. When in doubt, don't revert!
Articles for deletionThis article was nominated for deletion on 2 November 2014 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.
This article is rated B-class on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject iconIsrael
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
Project Israel To Do:

 Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
WikiProject iconPalestine Mid‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Palestine, a team effort dedicated to building and maintaining comprehensive, informative and balanced articles related to the geographic Palestine region, the Palestinian people and the State of Palestine on Misplaced Pages. Join us by visiting the project page, where you can add your name to the list of members where you can contribute to the discussions.PalestineWikipedia:WikiProject PalestineTemplate:WikiProject PalestinePalestine-related
MidThis article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Archiving icon
Archives
Archive 1Archive 2Archive 3
Archive 4Archive 5Archive 6

This page has archives. Sections older than 90 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 3 sections are present.

Fix false sentence in first paragraph.

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.


  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}): The sentence in the first paragraph beginning "The majority of Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers" should be changed to "Some Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers"
  • Why it should be changed:
This statement is not supported by the source article. In fact, the source article says the opposite. It states "Some Palestinians, in contrast, see stone throwing as a symbolic act of resistance, practically nonviolent due to the disparity in force..." To claim that a "majority" of Palestinians feel a certain way is blatantly false when the article only says "some" Palestinians feel that way.
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

The source itself: Maia Carter Hallward, Transnational Activism and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Palgrave Macmillan 2013 p.50

Apndrew (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done I changed majority to some and also removed the parts about youths engaged in the practice and seeing it as a method of deterrence, as none of this was mentioned in the source. Jamedeus (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2024

This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.


  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):In the first paragraph, the sentence "The state of Israel considers has passed laws to sentence throwers convicted of the charge to up to 10 years imprisonment even without proof of intent to harm." should be changed to "The state of Israel has passed laws to sentence throwers who endanger the safety of someone inside a vehicle to up to 10 years imprisonment."
  • Why it should be changed: The source publication doesn't support the original statement at all.
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): Ruth Linn, Conscience at War: The Israeli Soldier as a Moral Critic

Apndrew (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. https://books.google.com/books?id=JzawAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA50#v=onepage&q&f=false
  2. https://books.google.com/books?id=tG2n5oUhxaUC&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q&f=false
 Not done: I found a citation confirming the existing claim in the Israeli law section. I replaced the citation in the lead since it was not relevant to this claim. Jamedeus (talk) 00:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

The title of Palestinian rock-throwing could be a more suitable title for neutrality. "Stone-throwing" evokes religious stereotypes such as "stoning". Gamalny (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Categories: