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== Fix false sentence in first paragraph. ==
== Non-notable incidents ==


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This ] for anybody killed by a thrown stone. Since reliable sources discuss this as a phenomenon, we should primarily be reflecting their coverage, rather than listing a bunch of incidents that can't support their own articles. –] (] ⋅ ]) 14:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
: You have a point, and I agree that this page shouldn't list all such incidents. Perhaps we could create a list of people who were killed or severely wounded in Palestinian stone-throwing and link that list from here. It does perhaps make sense to keep of few of these, just to show that the phenomenon is wide-spread. ] (]) 17:44, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
::I don't think we need to ''show'' that the phenomenon is widespread (and I'd be just as against a list of non-notable news stories in a separate article as here). Surely at least one of our sources ''says'' it is widespread. –] (] ⋅ ]) 18:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
:::I disagree. 1.) The extent and type of harm (death, loss of an eye) caused by stone-throwing is pertinent. 2.) it is not good form to gut an article that you are attempting to get deleted. 3.) I propose that we get opinions form a larger number of editors before removing large swaths of material.] (]) 18:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
::::I !voted to ''keep'' this article, but if you're going to continue ] behavior, you're going to lead people to want to TNT it. Re 1, if it's pertinent to the subject as a whole, you should be able to source it from the scholarly discussion that supports the rest of the article, not from ] stories. –] (] ⋅ ]) 18:23, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


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I've looked through this, and I think the material should go back in. There's value in having a clear identification of exactly how many people have been wounded, how, by the stone throwing. That's something people are likely to debate, and having a clear and well-sourced answer here would add value. ] How many more do you need for consensus? ] (]) 01:02, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
:I think you should stop ]. It will not help your campaign and it will not help your future editing prospects. –] (] &sdot; ]) 01:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


:: Having looked at a few of your more recent contributions, I think its appropriate to look at whether there were earlier issues. Article talk pages are supposed to be for discussions about issues with articles. If you'd like to discuss broader editorial issues, I'd welcome that, and the appropriate place is either your talk page or one of the dispute resolution pages where the issues have been raised. ] (]) 04:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


* '''What I think should be changed (format using {{tl|textdiff}})''': The sentence in the first paragraph beginning "The majority of Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers" should be changed to "Some Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers"
== Ed Said said ==


* '''Why it should be changed''':
I was surprised not to see anything about the Ed Said rock throwing incident here. From the NYTime
This statement is not supported by the source article. In fact, the source article says the opposite. It states "Some Palestinians, in contrast, see stone throwing as a symbolic act of resistance, practically nonviolent due to the disparity in force..." To claim that a "majority" of Palestinians feel a certain way is blatantly false when the article only says "some" Palestinians feel that way.


* '''References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)''':
'Mr. Said's action drew some sharp criticism last summer. Mr. Said said he was having a stone-throwing contest with his son and called it a ''symbolic gesture of joy'' at the end of Israel's occupation of Lebanon."
The source itself: Maia Carter Hallward, Transnational Activism and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Palgrave Macmillan 2013 p.50 <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=JzawAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA50#v=onepage&q&f=false</ref>


] (]) 23:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't know how to add a picture but this is the famous one.<ref>www.classicalvalues.com/SaidRock.jpg</ref>
:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> I changed majority to some and also ] the parts about youths engaged in the practice and seeing it as a method of deterrence, as none of this was mentioned in the source. ] (]) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2024 ==
So besides being what it is, it is considered a symbolic gesture. Rather hard to get behind rock throwing as symbolizing joy. I guess some Palestinians are just naturally joyful since there is a fair amount of rock throwing going on.


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: I thought this was some joke, but it is serious and it is notable. Perhaps somebody add this to the article indeed. ] (]) 17:11, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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* '''What I think should be changed (format using {{tl|textdiff}})''':In the first paragraph, the sentence "The state of Israel considers has passed laws to sentence throwers convicted of the charge to up to 10 years imprisonment even without proof of intent to harm." should be changed to "The state of Israel has passed laws to sentence throwers who endanger the safety of someone inside a vehicle to up to 10 years imprisonment."
* '''Why it should be changed''': The source publication doesn't support the original statement at all.

* '''References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button)''': Ruth Linn, Conscience at War: The Israeli Soldier as a Moral Critic <ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=tG2n5oUhxaUC&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q&f=false</ref>

] (]) 23:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> I found a confirming the existing claim in the ] section. I replaced the citation in the lead since it was not relevant to this claim. ] (]) 00:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

== Edit Request ==

The title of Palestinian rock-throwing could be a more suitable title for neutrality. "Stone-throwing" evokes religious stereotypes such as "stoning". ] (]) 19:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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Fix false sentence in first paragraph.

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  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}): The sentence in the first paragraph beginning "The majority of Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers" should be changed to "Some Palestinian youths engaged in the practice appear to regard it as symbolic and non-violent, given the disparity in power and equipment between the Israeli forces and the Palestinian stone-throwers"
  • Why it should be changed:
This statement is not supported by the source article. In fact, the source article says the opposite. It states "Some Palestinians, in contrast, see stone throwing as a symbolic act of resistance, practically nonviolent due to the disparity in force..." To claim that a "majority" of Palestinians feel a certain way is blatantly false when the article only says "some" Palestinians feel that way.
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

The source itself: Maia Carter Hallward, Transnational Activism and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, Palgrave Macmillan 2013 p.50

Apndrew (talk) 23:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done I changed majority to some and also removed the parts about youths engaged in the practice and seeing it as a method of deterrence, as none of this was mentioned in the source. Jamedeus (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

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  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):In the first paragraph, the sentence "The state of Israel considers has passed laws to sentence throwers convicted of the charge to up to 10 years imprisonment even without proof of intent to harm." should be changed to "The state of Israel has passed laws to sentence throwers who endanger the safety of someone inside a vehicle to up to 10 years imprisonment."
  • Why it should be changed: The source publication doesn't support the original statement at all.
  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): Ruth Linn, Conscience at War: The Israeli Soldier as a Moral Critic

Apndrew (talk) 23:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. https://books.google.com/books?id=JzawAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA50#v=onepage&q&f=false
  2. https://books.google.com/books?id=tG2n5oUhxaUC&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q&f=false
 Not done: I found a citation confirming the existing claim in the Israeli law section. I replaced the citation in the lead since it was not relevant to this claim. Jamedeus (talk) 00:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

The title of Palestinian rock-throwing could be a more suitable title for neutrality. "Stone-throwing" evokes religious stereotypes such as "stoning". Gamalny (talk) 19:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

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