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| == Fiefdom of Poland == | |||
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| {{yo|Joaziela}} please add citations for this to the body, as far as i can tell none of the sources here or in ] support that it was a Polish fife—] 16:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
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| ] (]) 13:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| the status page in the right shouldn't exist because its not true so will you please remove it? ] (]) 14:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 19:35, 23 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == the protectorate is wrong == | |||
| ==Automatic Translation?== | |||
| What on earth do the following two paragraphs mean: | |||
| After many successful military campaigns against the Poles, Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky made a triumphant entry into Kiev | |||
| on Christmas 1648 where he was hailed liberator of the people from Polish captivity. | |||
| In February 1649, during negotiations in Pereiaslav with a Polish delegation, Khmelnytsky had made it clear to the Poles | |||
| that he was the sole autocrat of Rus', positioning himself as the whole leader of all Ukraine. | |||
| as the treaty of pereyaslav was signed in 1654 to help the cossack | |||
| hetmanate to not fight the commonwealth. on 24 october 1656 russia made a treaty with poland and khmelnytsky said that russia violated the treaty so he broke the treaty of pereyaslav and joined a coalition with Sweden ] (]) 09:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == My revert == | |||
| There the state-building process began where Khmelnytsky's statesmanship was demonstrated in all areas of state-building: | |||
| in the military, administration, finance, economics, and culture. With political acumen, he invested the Zaporozhian Host | |||
| under the leadership of its hetman with supreme power in the new Ukrainian state, and he unified all the spheres of | |||
| Ukrainian society under his authority. This would involve building a government system and a developed military and civilian | |||
| administrators out of Cossack officers and Ukrainian nobles, as well as the establishment of an elite within the Cossack | |||
| Hetman state. | |||
| I reverted massive changes that included removal big referenced chunks with unconvincing edit summaries such as "Most of it was wrong so i decided to delete it for the better" and addition of large unreferenced pieces. Please explain your deletions here, in article talk page. - ] ] 16:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC) | |||
| There - '''where'''? Referring to what? | |||
| What is Hetman that repeatedly occurs here. Is that his first name or maybe his nationality? | |||
| Somehow, "liberator of the people from Polish captivity", doesn't sound good, but my English is not good enough to come up with a better sentence. "... the sole autocrat of Rus'"? "positioning himself as the whole leader"? | |||
| == Use of the blue and yellow version == | |||
| Granted, on second read, I do understand that Hetman is a nationality, but make that clear somewhere. (All wiki references to Hetman return to this article (The Cossack Hetmanate). Actually I'm not sure. Is it? | |||
| How about something like: ..."clearly stated to the Polish delegation, which he met on Christmas 1648, that he saw himself as the sole ruler of the Ukrainian state. He then proceeded to establish his rule, by setting about changes in all fields of government: In the military, in administration, finance, economy and culture. He cleverly supported ](...points to nationality of Hetmans) rule of the ] Host, a region in central Ukrain. This bought his rule broad acceptance throughout all the diverse regions and nationalities in the Ukrain. He established a new government system, which included the creation of a new upper class of administrators and military commanders, from his Cossack army, and from the historic local Ukranian nobility. | |||
| -- Thanks! ] (]) 23:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| I invite the people who watch this page to take part in the following discussion:]--] (]) 03:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC). | |||
| Oh boy! OK, I read a bit more, and now understand what a ] is. IMHO there should be a wikilink to at least the first and probably to all three references in the article. The article is still unreadable, and seems to be an automatic translation. Anyway, a great reference (for whoever decides to redo these pages) is this book: by Orest Sutelny. It seems written well. ] (]) 00:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| :Guess what! In ] it says: | |||
| At Christmas 1648, Khmelnytsky made a triumphant entry into Kyiv, where he was hailed as "the Moses, savior, redeemer, | |||
| and liberator of the people from Polish captivity ... the illustrious ruler of Rus." In February 1649, during negotiations in | |||
| Pereiaslav with a Polish delegation headed by senator Adam Kysil, Khmelnytsky declared that he was | |||
| "the sole autocrat of Rus" and that he had "enough power in Ukraine, Podilia, and Volhynia ... | |||
| in his land and principality stretching as far as Lviv, Chełm, and Halych." It became clear to the Polish envoys that | |||
| Khmelnytsky had positioned himself not just as a leader of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, but of Ukraine, and stated his claims | |||
| to the heritage of the Rus. A Vilnius panegyric in Khmelnytsky's honor (1650–1651) explained it this way: | |||
| "While in Poland it is King Jan II Casimir Vasa, in Rus it is Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky." | |||
| After the period of initial military successes the state-building process began. His leadership was demonstrated in all areas | |||
| of state-building: in the military, administration, finance, economics, and culture. With political acumen he made the Zaporozhian | |||
| Host under the leadership of its hetman the supreme power in the new Ukrainian state, and unified all the spheres of Ukrainian | |||
| society under his authority. Khmelnytsky built a new government system and developed military and civilian administration. | |||
| :This whole subpage is translated there into good and normal English! | |||
| :] (]) 03:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
| == something is broken == | |||
| "Herb Viyska Zaporozkogo (Alex K).svg ]"--] (]) 07:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
| == successor state arrow is broken == | |||
| Could someone please fix that?--] (]) 15:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
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| == Antihistoric statements== | |||
| Excuse me, but as a history student I can not accept this article because of many antihistoric statements about "State creation" and "State existing". It's ''only modern modern ukrainian vission'', links are from pro-ukrainian internet pages. Look discussion in Russian Talk about this article. It must be fully reviewed and fixed according professional historians statements, who analyzed the history of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Chmelnicki Uprising. Now thsi artical seems as ''falsification'' of history. --] (]) 14:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Rename article suggestion == | |||
| Per Magocsi (citation added to intro), "The name Hetmanate, especially in Russian sources, referred to Cossack regiments in ] that were under of the authority of Moscow's hetman, from 1667 onward. This excludes both Zaporizha and ]" (paraphrasing). In his work, he refers to the state as the '''Cossack state''', since it covers all attempted unified cossack statehood (and also that the cossack state only existed in the Hetmanate from 1711 onward). He says the official names were Zaporizhian Host and Army of Zaporizha. | |||
| Since this article almost entirely relies on Magocsi's work, we should use the name he suggests. As it stands, 'Hetmanate' is like calling the UK just Scotland.--''']''' <small>(])</small> 08:53, 21 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :Wrong. What an ignorant claim. The entire state, not only a small part of it, is referred to as "Hetamante" (Гетьманщина) by multiple historians other than your source. For example, Mytsyk, Bazhan, and Vlasov refer to it as "Hetmanshchyna (Гетьманщина) here: . Lev Okinshevych, Arkadii Zhukovsky from the ] call the country "Hetman State": . Oleksandr Saltovskiy refer to it as "Ukrainian state-Hetmanate" (Українська держава-Гетьманщина), "Hetman state" (гетьманська держава), and simply Hetmanate (Гетьманщина). He also says that the Hetmanate covered both sides of the Dnipro from Khmelnytsky until Doroshenko. Valeriy Smoliy call the country "Ukrainian Cossack State", "Zaporizhyan Host", and "Hetmanate" (pg 14) here: . I can still easily find more sources. --''']]''' 07:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Russification == | |||
| The Hetmanate is not (was not) called "Little Russia". Little Russia and the Hetmanate are two separate historical concepts. The Hetman of the Ukrainian Cossacks didn't call himself the "Hetman of Little Russia". If you think they are the same thing, perhaps you should propose a merge between both articles, but you can't simply equate the Hetmanate to Little Russia because of your political opinions. These edits be only explained as Russification because they do not enhance the content of the article.--''']]''' 00:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Fiefdom of Poland
@Joaziela: please add citations for this to the body, as far as i can tell none of the sources here or in Treaty of Zboriv support that it was a Polish fife—blindlynx 16:57, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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the status page in the right shouldn't exist because its not true so will you please remove it? Dan69182 (talk) 14:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tollens (talk) 19:35, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
the protectorate is wrong
as the treaty of pereyaslav was signed in 1654 to help the cossack
hetmanate to not fight the commonwealth. on 24 october 1656 russia made a treaty with poland and khmelnytsky said that russia violated the treaty so he broke the treaty of pereyaslav and joined a coalition with Sweden Dan69182 (talk) 09:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
My revert
I reverted massive changes that included removal big referenced chunks with unconvincing edit summaries such as "Most of it was wrong so i decided to delete it for the better" and addition of large unreferenced pieces. Please explain your deletions here, in article talk page. - Altenmann >talk 16:36, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Use of the blue and yellow version
I invite the people who watch this page to take part in the following discussion:Talk:Cossack with musket#Use of the blue and yellow version--Raimundo57br (talk) 03:09, 29 April 2024 (UTC).
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