Misplaced Pages

User talk:Petrarchan47: Difference between revisions

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 17:27, 14 January 2015 editGandydancer (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers28,205 edits →A barnstar for you!: new WikiLove messageTag: WikiLove← Previous edit Latest revision as of 03:37, 3 December 2024 edit undoBuster7 (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers, Rollbackers67,030 edits →Toby the outside cat 
Line 1: Line 1:
{{semi-retired}}
{{bots|deny=DPL bot}}
{| cellpadding="10" cellspacing="8" style="width: 100%; background-color: transparent; border: 0; height: 1%; margin-top: -10px; margin-bottom: -10px;"
| style="background-color: #f0f0f0; border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -moz-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -webkit-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); border-radius: 1em; -moz-border-radius: 1em; -webkit-border-radius: 1em; padding: 1em 2em 0 2em;" |
</div></div>
<div style="margin: auto; max-width: 50em; {{box-shadow|0.1em|0.1em|0.5em|rgba( 192, 192, 192, 0.75 )}} {{border-radius|1em}} border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em 1em; color: black;" class="ui-helper-clearfix">
""Conspiracy theorists" a loaded term ... it was, at least in its current weaponized form, an invention of the CIA. That body, when widespread skepticism of the Warren Commission's findings first emerged, sent a memo to all its bureaus giving specific instructions for 'countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists.' This naturally meant using assets such as "friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors)" who could be provided with ready-made talking points, magic bullets in their own right. They continue to be in regular use today, consciously or not, even in the pages of The New Yorker" .
</div></div>
<div style="margin: auto; max-width: 50em; {{box-shadow|0.1em|0.1em|0.5em|rgba( 192, 192, 192, 0.75 )}} {{border-radius|1em}} border: 1px solid #a7d7f9; margin-bottom: 1em; padding: 0.5em 1em 1em; color: black;" class="ui-helper-clearfix">
<div>
"Misplaced Pages seems more a campground for paid shills and such. No interest without enough finances to hire dedicated campers to squat on pages are going to get past those that have. Some areas are without corporate interest or political controversy but on the pages that are, OCD wins ... Not many people can defend against claims that Misplaced Pages is being distorted by PR agencies and out-of-control employees who won’t disclose conflicts of interest. I myself had found and reported many incidents as such, but I just can’t be bothered anymore. Be cautious of Misplaced Pages. I only fix the occasional typos I come across; for divisive issues or products (monetary interests) I don’t even visit Misplaced Pages." ''''
</div></div>


== disruptive whitewashing on ] ==
{{User:Meaghan/Sunshine icon}}


If you continue removing sourced criticism despite repeated reverts from other editors, I will ask an uninvolved admin to block you at ]. ] (]) 02:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
==Young Living article==
: Some of your changes weren't as bad as I thought – I saw massive swathes of content vanishing from the article, as when you previously removed all mention of the various scams. Some of your edits were actually removing unsourced content, which I shouldn't have reverted. So, for that, I apologize for being too hasty (and clearly not reading the diffs well enough). Still, you need to stop edit warring to remove sourced content from that article. Hold an ], raise the issue at ], or do something else to establish consensus. Showing up every few weeks to blank sections is disruptive. ] (]) 03:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Can you please help me? A user that I know you have had dealings with before has nominated my article, ], for deletion (you can see who the user is at the deletion page). It would really help if you would kindly consider advocating for preservation (even with revisions) of the Young Living article. ] I am not sure why someone would recommend to delete this article without first trying to revise it. I share your inclusionist feelings about Misplaced Pages and feel that this article, which I have put a lot of work and research into, has merit. Anything you can do would be appreciated. Thanks for all your hard work on Misplaced Pages!] (])
:: Whitewashing is a pretty serious charge. The difference between my version and yours is two paragraphs - in your version you re-added the following but changed nothing else:
:::”One example was the Who's Who Among American High School Students which was criticized for questionable nomination practices as well as whether the listing's entries are fact-checked and accurate. According to the admissions vice president of Hamline University, "It's honestly something that an admissions officer typically wouldn't consider or wouldn't play into an admissions decision," adding that "Who's Who... is just trying to sell books".
:::Who's Who publications are not all of questionable value, but publishers that select truly notable people and provide trustworthy information on them are hard to identify. A & C Black's Who's Who is the canonical example of a legitimate Who's Who reference work, being the first to use the name and establish the approach in print, publishing annually since 1849. However, the longevity of a publication is not in itself a guarantee. In 1999 Tucker Carlson said in Forbes magazine that Marquis Who's Who, founded in 1898 but no longer an independent company, had adopted practices of address harvesting as a revenue stream, undermining its claim to legitimacy as a reference work listing people of merit.”


::The example of a high school scam comes from low quality sources: and I left it out of my version for that reason, and because this is a short, list-style article, thought mentioning every single instance there was a printed complaint about some version of a “who’s who” wasn’t necessary. I don’t think you can call this whitewashing when I’ve already addressed the scams in the Lede and body in a way you yourself found (nearly) sufficient.
== Health consequences article ==
::The second paragraph you re-added was from ], known as a conspiracy theorist and to my knowledge, not allowed on WP as a source. My removal of Carlson is not whitewashing to my knowledge, but perhaps I’ll check with the RS notice board to make sure.
::Your paragraphs also make me wonder about the author, as they seem less reliant upon RS and sound very editorialized. The quotes selected are not neutral, considering how Carlson’s statement in my initial comment above wasn’t included whilst it would give the reader much better context. (“ “There are cases-- '''relatively few''' in our judgment--of individuals with decidedly modest vocational achievement being included in the Who's Who volumes.”)


::“Whitewashing” should be reserved for describing the removal of negative content. What I’ve done is to try and present the facts in a balanced way. was what I was trying to clean up - and my is nearly identical to the present one, so how am I the problem? <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 14:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
As you may know I've been working on this article and Core has offered to help. I'm still in the process of gathering information...and my thoughts. I was thinking that it should have a substantial section on Corexit since every source I've read so far mentions its use as one of the important unknowns. The GAP report contains a great deal of information and looking at its wikipedia article, it should certainly be considered a good RS source. Reading the report has been on my list of things to do but right now I am going through old news reports to see if there is anything that would be good for the article. However you are very familiar with Corexit already and would perhaps be willing to work on that section? ] (]) 20:55, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
: The request makes sense, it seems like it would be faster and easier for me to do the section, but due to some good luck, I am too busy in my offline life to make any commitments here. I can dip my toe in once and a while, but not more. However, I did all the work already, in the ] section. Don't be intimidated by the GAP report, the review article from which I quoted heavily did all the work for us (see linked section - be sure to uncollapse, especially the bottom part, which is specific to health concerns) The only thing needed is to distill the info and plug it into related articles (4 come to mind - for one of them, you will have to get a court order to add this info, and good luck finding an honest judge!).
: Maybe it makes more sense with our busy lives to work on this together and let it happen organically. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 00:49, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


== Precious anniversary ==
The section move to archives, so I'll repeat it here:
{{User QAIbox/auto|years=Two}} --] (]) 07:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
:Dear {{u|Gerda Arendt|Gerda}}, such a jewel you are. Thank you <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 14:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::Minor correction, though ~ <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 15:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


== Barnstar Awarded! ==
===Corexit===


Here is most of the Corexit story. It is a pre-draft draft that needs a lot of work. None of this is in my own words, but I wanted to get this out of my files and onto this page in case someone wanted to help build this section, which probably fits better under the "Environmental record" or perhaps "Safety and health violations" than under the Gulf spill, since we are only allotted 2 paragraphs. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 23:50, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"

|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:top;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|]|]}}
::Easy ways to brush up on the Corexit story (with focus on the recent GAP report and Newsweek investigation):
|rowspan="2" |
:::
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Environmental Barnstar'''
:::

{{Cquote|'''BP's use of COREXIT during the DWH oil spill
'''
Conclusions from the report strongly suggest that the dispersant Corexit was widely applied in the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon explosion because it caused the false impression that the oil disappeared. In reality, the oil/Corexit mixture became less visible, yet much more toxic than the oil alone. Nonetheless, indications are that both BP and the government were pleased with what Corexit accomplished.

EPA whistleblower Hugh Kaufman: "EPA....is taking the position that they really don’t know how dangerous ] is, even though if you read the label, it tells you how dangerous it is. And, for example, in the ] case, people who worked with dispersants, most of them are dead now. The average death age is around fifty. It’s very dangerous, and it’s an economic — it’s an economic protector of BP, not an environmental protector of the public."

From the GAP report, "evidence suggests that the cleanup effort has been more destructive to human health and the environment than the spill itself."

BP lied about the size of the oil disaster and the danger posed to its workers, the public and the environment. Lying to Congress about the amount of oil was one of 14felonies to which BP pleaded guilty last year in a legal settlement with US DOJ, which included a 4.5 Billion fine, the largest ever levied against a corp in the US. BP hid the amount of oil from cameras by using oil dispersant Corexit. BP lied about how safe Corexit was for workers, residents and the environment. An anonymous whistle-blower provided evidence revealed in a Newsweek investigation that BP was warned in advance about the safety risks of Corexit. // whistleblowers revealed to the independent Government Accountability Project (GAP) that Nalco had given elaborate instructions to BP about using Corexit and avoiding contact with human clean-up workers — instructions that were clearly ignored during the spring of 2010.

BP used at least 1.84 million gallons, the largest use of such chemicals in U.S. history. BP sprayed Corexit directly at the wellhead spewing oil from the bottom of the gulf, even though no one had ever tried spraying it below the water's surface before. BP also used more of the dispersant than had been used in any previous oil spill, 1.8 million gallons, to try to break up the oil. 58% was sprayed from planes, sometimes hitting cleanup workers in the face. Workers were denied safety gear and (their jobs threatened for wearing respirators). Soon after the Deepwater explosion, BP stockpiled 1/3rd of the world's supply of Corexit

In May 2010, the EPA told BP to identify less toxic alternatives from a list of government-approved dispersants. If BP could not identify an alternative, it had to offer concrete reasons why not. The company replied that less-toxic dispersants were not available in the quantities needed. BP continued spraying Corexit on the Gulf, at an average ratio of one gallon per 91 gallons of oil, into the summer of 2010.

After the spill, a study revealed that oil mixed with Corexit is 52 times more toxic than oil alone. Wilma Subra, a chemist whose work on environmental pollution had won her a “genius grant” from the MacArthur Foundation, told state and federal authorities that she was especially concerned about how dangerous the mixture of crude and Corexit was: “The short-term health symptoms include acute respiratory problems, skin rashes, cardiovascular impacts, gastrointestinal impacts, and short-term loss of memory,” she told GAP investigators. “Long-term impacts include cancer, decreased lung function, liver damage, and kidney damage.” In a survey of health impacts for people along the coast, Orr found The most common ailments were headaches (87 percent of respondents), dizziness and cough (72 percent), fatigue and eye-nose-and-throat irritation (63 percent), followed by nausea, diarrhea, confusion and depression.

Environmental health consultant Wilma Subra, who evaluated the survey data, said oil and dispersant had aerosolized and travelled up to 100 miles inland, potentially exposing tens of thousands of people to the hairspray-like mist. “Now we are seeing the reproductive effects,” Subra said, including high rates of miscarriages, preemies, infant respiratory problems, and neurodevelopmental disorders like autism.

“The workers that BP hired should have been trained and protected adequately,” Subra said. “It was inappropriate to expose them to toxic chemicals as they did their job.” She told federal officials the workers needed respirators, but was rebuffed. “They said I would be killing the workers because of the heat,” she said. “There are suits with piped-in cooling. Cleanups happen all the time in hot weather.”

NOAA scientists/divers getting very sick, told there was no danger. Gulf waters disintegrated the rubber on diving suits.

"Hertsgaard goes on to explain that although BP has set aside roughly $8 billion for medical expenses related to the spill, the illnesses these people are suffering from are not covered under that settlement".

The Corexit broke the oil droplets down into smaller drops, creating the plume, Hollander said. Then the smaller oil droplets bonded with clay and other materials carried into the gulf by the Mississippi, sinking into the sediment where they killed the foraminifera (base of food chain).}}

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/04/22/what-bp-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-about-the-2010-gulf-spill.html Newsweek investigation/Hertsgaard

http://www.treehugger.com/energy-disasters/bps-lies-about-gulf-oil-spill-should-worry-arkansas-victims-exxon-spill.html

http://www.livescience.com/25159-oil-dispersant-increases-toxicity.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/27/coast_guard_grounds_ships_involved_in

http://blog.sfgate.com/green/2010/07/08/sources-bp-threatens-to-fire-cleanup-workers-who-wear-respirators/#ixzz0t7sd1lTm

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/business/energy-environment/13greenwire-less-toxic-dispersants-lose-out-in-bp-oil-spil-81183.html

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/04/17/corexit-deepwater-horizon-oil-spill

http://leanweb.org/our-work/water/bp-oil-spill/results-of-the-louisiana-environmental-action-network-lean-survey-of-the-human-health-impacts-due-to-the-bp-deepwater-horizon-disaster

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-using-dispersants-fighting-pollution-with-pollution

http://www.nwf.org/news-and-magazines/media-center/reports/archive/2013/04-02-13-restoring-a-degraded-gulf-of-mexico.aspx

http://news.discovery.com/animals/whales-dolphins/record-dolphin-sea-turtle-deaths-since-gulf-spill-130402.htm

http://news.fsu.edu/More-FSU-News/Dirty-blizzard-in-Gulf-may-account-for-missing-Deepwater-Horizon-oil

http://phys.org/news/2012-11-lessons-bp-oil.html

http://www.fox8live.com/story/22019611/finding-oil-in-the-marsh-3-years-after-the-bp-spill

http://www.whistleblower.org/program-areas/public-health/corexit

http://www.whistleblower.org/blog/44-2013/2643-3-years-after-deepwater-horizon-report-shows-devastating-impact-of-dispersant-used-in-qcleanupq GAP report

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/water/divers-say-they-still-suffer-ailments-from-2010-oil-spill/2123134

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/three-years-after-the-bp-spill-tar-balls-and-oil-sheen-blight-gulf-coast/275139/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/water/gulf-oil-spill-killed-millions-of-microscopic-creatures-at-base-of-food/2113157

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/30/us-oil-spill-carcinogens-idUSTRE68T6FS20100930

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/7/20/epa_whistleblower_accuses_agency_of_covering

http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/water/gulf-oil-spill-killed-millions-of-microscopic-creatures-at-base-of-food/2113157

::I think you should consider a separate article "The use of Corexit in the DWH spill" or something like that for this information. I think a section "Use of Corexit dispersant" with say two paras is all the health article can handle. Some editors may argue even that is too much, however in all the reading I've done as I've worked on the article it is always mentioned that the unprecedented use of Corexit should be considered as a possible (or real) health hazard. But the hazards remain mostly an unknown and I think that when one considers the article as a whole it would not be reasonable to provide extensive information. ] (]) 14:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
::: I'm working two jobs at the moment, no can do... '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 23:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
====Specifics from the GAP report====
'''Select Report Findings'''

Existing Health Problems

* Eventually coined "BP Syndrome" or "Gulf Coast Syndrome," all GAP witnesses experienced spill-related health problems. Some of these effects include: blood in urine; heart palpitations; kidney damage; liver damage; migraines; multiple chemical sensitivity; neurological damage resulting in memory loss; rapid weight loss; respiratory system and nervous system damage; seizures; skin irritation, burning and lesions; and temporary paralysis.
* Interviewees are also extremely concerned about recognized long-term health effects from chemical exposure (from those specific chemicals found in Corexit/oil mixtures), which may not have manifested yet. These include reproductive damage (such as genetic mutations), endocrine disruption, and cancer.
* Blood test results from a majority of GAP interviewees showed alarmingly high levels of chemical exposure – to Corexit and oil – that correlated with experienced health effects. These chemicals include known carcinogens.

The Failure to Protect Cleanup Workers

* Contrary to warnings in BP's own internal manual, BP and the government misrepresented known risks by asserting that Corexit was low in toxicity.
* Despite the fact that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has developed a highly-lauded safety training program for cleanup workers, the workers interviewed reported that they either did not receive any training or did not receive the federally required training.
* Federally required worker resource manuals detailing Corexit health hazards (according to a confidential whistleblower) were not delivered or were removed from BP worksites early in the cleanup, as health problems began.
* A FOIA request found that government agency regulations prohibited diving during the spill due to health risks. Yet, divers contracted by National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and interviewed by GAP dove after assurances that it was safe and additional protective equipment was unnecessary.
* BP and the federal government, through their own medical monitoring programs, each publicly denied that any significant chemical exposure to humans was occurring. Of the workers GAP interviewed, 87% reported contact with Corexit while on the job and blood test results revealed high levels of chemical exposure.
* BP and the federal government believed that allowing workers to wear respirators would not create a positive public image. The federal government permitted BP's retaliation against workers who insisted on wearing this protection. Nearly half of the cleanup workers interviewed by GAP reported that they were threatened with termination when they tried to wear respirators or additional safety equipment on the job. Many received early termination notices after raising safety concerns on the job.
* All workers interviewed reported that they were provided minimal or no personal protective equipment on the job.

Ecological Problems & Food Safety Issues

* A majority of GAP witnesses reported that they found evidence of oil or oil debris after BP and the Coast Guard announced that cleanup operations were complete.
* BP and the federal government reported that Corexit was last used in July 2010. A majority of GAP witnesses cited indications that Corexit was used after that time.
* The oil-Corexit mixture coated the Gulf seafloor and permeated the Gulf's rich ecological web. GAP witnesses have revealed underwater footage of an oil-covered barren seafloor, documenting widespread damage to coral reefs.
* The FDA grossly misrepresented the results of its analysis of Gulf seafood safety. Of GAP's witnesses, a majority expressed concern over the quality of government seafood testing, and reported seeing new seafood deformities firsthand. A majority of fishermen reported that their catch has decreased significantly since the spill.

Inadequate Compensation

* BP's Gulf Coast Claims Fund (GCCF) denied all health claims during its 18 months of existence. Although a significant precedent, the subsequent medical class action suit excluded countless sick individuals, bypassed the worst health effects resulting from exposure to dispersant and oil, offered grossly inadequate maximum awards compared to medical costs, and did not include medical treatment.

::But how do we boil this all down to one para? ] With only one para from and international panel of experts, the article can't give more copy to a whistle blower group. But more of this info could be used in a separate Corexit article. ] (]) 14:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

====BP/Gov't position, etc====

"Time and again, those working to clean up the 2010 Gulf of Mexico oil spill were assured that Corexit....was as safe as "dishwasher soap"."

"In a statement issued by BP, the oil company said: "Use of dispersants during the Deepwater Horizon oil spill was co-ordinated with and approved by federal agencies including the US Coast Guard and EPA. Based on extensive monitoring conducted by BP and the federal agencies, BP is not aware of any data showing worker or public exposures to dispersants that would pose a health or safety concern."

"According to a new report released by the Government Accountability Project, nearly half of workers reported that their employers told them Corexit did not pose a health risk."

"And nearly all those interviewed, reported receiving minimal or no protective equipment despite warnings clearly spelled out in the manual provided by Corexit's manufacturer."

"Now three years on, many cleanup workers are reporting serious health problems including seizures, temporary paralysis and memory loss."

== Tar sands are not "oil sands" except per big oil PR campaigns and Misplaced Pages ==



''Quotation from Little Black Lies, the forthcoming book by Jeff Gailus, on using the terms tar sands or oil sands...
''
'''What’s in a Name?
'''

The oil industry and the Alberta and federal governments prefer the term “oil sands,” while most opponents use the dirtier-sounding “tar sands.” Technically, both “tar sands” and “oil sands” are inaccurate. The substance in question is actually bituminous sand, a mixture of sand, clay, water and an extremely viscous form of petroleum called bitumen, which itself contains a noxious combination of sulphur, nitrogen, salts, carcinogens, heavy metals and other toxins. A handful of bituminous sand is the hydrocarbon equivalent of a snowball: each grain of sand is covered by a thin layer of water, all of which is enveloped in the very viscous, tar-like bitumen. In its natural state, it has the consistency of a hockey puck.

You might be forgiven for believing that the term has been foisted upon us by nasty, truth-hating environmentalists – but you’d be wrong. The term has actually been part of the oil industry lexicon for decades, used by geologists and engineers since at least 1939. According to Alberta oil historian David Finch, everyone called them the tar sands until the 1960s, and both “tar sands” and “oil sands” were used interchangeably until about 10 years ago, when the terminology became horribly politicized.

With the notable exception of the Pembina Institute, an Alberta-based environmental think tank that often collaborates with government and industry staff, critics of the way Alberta’s bitumen deposits are being developed use “tar sands,” because that is what it was called when they entered the debate. The term accentuates the obvious downsides of the endeavour – water pollution, for instance, and the decline of certain wildlife species, not to mention considerable greenhouse gas emissions and the infringement of First Nations peoples’ constitutionally protected treaty rights – but it is hardly something environmentalists concocted out of nowhere to give the contested development a bad name.

'''Even the Alberta Chamber of Resources, an industry lobby group, admits that the term “oil sands” gained popularity in the mid-1990s, when government and industry began an aggressive public relations campaign to improve public perception of the dirty-sounding “tar sands.”''' “Oil sands,” you see, conveys a certain usefulness, a natural resource that creates jobs, increases government revenues, enhances energy security and makes investors rich beyond measure. Tar, on the other hand, is dark and heavy, the kind of glop better suited to paving roads, or coating dangerous subversives before feathering and banishing them from society altogether. As any corporate communications consultant worth her $1000/day rate knows, '''there is nothing intrinsically correct, neutral or accurate about the term “oil sands.” Nor is it a coincidence that media coverage has favoured rich and powerful business interests. The media’s preference for “oil sands” is simply the result of the Triple Alliance’s crafty political spin and an aggressive well-funded strategy to brand bitumen development in the brightest possible light,''' part of a much grander battle plan that relies on a dark web of little black lies to win the day.

(Many thanks) <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:20, 27 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:No problem, thank you too. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 03:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

==NSA docs==
*
* from EFF - list of all leaks and links to RS

: Thnaks for your links of leaks and media reports on the material of Edward Snowden. I of the ] article.

== "a Somalian city" ==

Apropos of nothing, check out this aerial view of "a Somalian city" (don't know which one), found on Wikimedia Commons:
]
{{-}}
Wow!! ] (]) 06:05, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
:you're adorable. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 08:19, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

== Welcome ] and (as yet unnamed) ==
Notes on content for later addition are ], feel free to comment and add.

Some tools to get started:

* ]
* ]
* ]
* ]
* ]
* for generating a cite journal template from a ] identifier.


::Comparing of ] to (pre Project Medicine).

::Comparing of ] to ].

::Comparing of ] to ].

::Comparing of ] to ].

::Question about MEDRS - can we use rat studies to speak to human health, such as in the quote box at ]? (, .

::Beginning to look at impact on lungs

::Deaths from cannabis? From ]:
:::"human deaths from overdose are extremely rare".<ref name=pmid16225128>{{Cite journal | last1 = Kochanowski | first1 = M. | last2 = Kała | first2 = M. | title = Tetrahydrocannabinols in clinical and forensic toxicology. | journal = Przegl Lek | volume = 62 | issue = 6 | pages = 576–80 | month = | year = 2005 | doi = | PMID = 16225128 }}</ref>
::Danger to organs? (Medical Cannabis page)
:::"A 2013 literature review said that exposure to marijuana had biologically-based physical, mental, behavioral and social health consequences and was "associated with diseases of the liver (particularly with co-existing hepatitis C), lungs, heart, and vasculature".<ref name=Gordon2013>{{cite journal |author=Gordon AJ, Conley JW, Gordon JM |title=Medical consequences of marijuana use: a review of current literature |journal=Curr Psychiatry Rep |volume=15 |issue=12 |pages=419 |year=2013 |month=December |pmid=24234874 |doi=10.1007/s11920-013-0419-7 |type=Review}}</ref> There are insufficient data to draw strong conclusions about the safety of medical cannabis, although short-term use is associated with minor ]s such as ]. Although supporters of medical cannabis say that it is safe,<ref name=oxpain>{{cite book|author1-first=Tabitha A.|author1-last=Washington|author2-first=Khalilah M.|author2-last=Brown|author3-first=Gilbert J.|author3-last=Fanciullo|title=Pain|chapter=Chapter 31: Medical Cannabis|page=165|year=2012|publisher=Oxford University Press|isbn=978-0-19-994274-9|quote=Proponents of medical cannabis site its safety, but there are clear uncertainties regarding safety, composition and dosage.}}</ref> '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 03:10, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

===Research===

====Notes====
''']''' - keeping notes here.

]

* Using ] as a guide, a statement about "association" can serve as the Intro, and rat studies are acceptable for the body as long as they are reviews. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 17:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

== Wording closer to source ==

As it turns out, the source I was looking at for the {{diff2|586300462|text you amended}} was which says (page 7):

{{tq|The few studies that exist on the effects of CBD show that this cannabinoid can counteract some of '''the negative effects of THC'''}} (my emphasis)

You can't really get much closer to the source than the actual words :) Nevertheless, I think your change is perfectly reasonable and probably somewhat clarifies the meaning of what I was trying to write. Cheers --] (]) 17:54, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

:Why, thank you. Here is the source from your refs for the wording I preferred (as a reader with an inquiring mind):
:* '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 19:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
==Merry Christmas==

]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. ```]<small>]</small> 14:58, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

* see ]. The current release is Linux Mint 16 '''"Petra"''', released on 6 December 2013. It has no significance to anything. I just ran across it do some editing and I thought I would share it with you. ```]<small>]</small> 15:03, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

::It's entirely significant. Somebody loves me! '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 19:35, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

:::I love you too! And Buster too! But I just need a few minutes to write. Later... ] (]) 19:44, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
::::Well, i'll be smiling for the rest of the day... Btw, did you all see ? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 21:50, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

== Happy New Year! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ]

|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''Wishing you the best year ever!'''
|- |-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Dear friend, I can't imagine my wiki experience without you. I feel like we've known each other for years. Here's wishing for another year of happy editing! ] (]) 00:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC) |style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Awarded in recognition for your legacy work on the ] and other environmental articles. Also thanks for joining ] last month, with more editors like you, the WP will thrive. Hoping to see you a bit more, cheers! ] (]) 04:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
|} |}
{{u|JusDaFax}} What an honor, thank you, mon ami. Let me know if I can help in any way on environmental articles. I’m quite out of the loop, so please feel free to offer some guidance. It would be wonderful to work with you again. <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 01:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC) {{u|Jusdafax}}
:Welcome back! &#8213;]&nbsp;] 13:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Buster! Thank you so much. How are things? Hot and steamy here, but the morning glories are finally blooming. Any word from our dear friends? <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 23:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


== ArbCom 2022 Elections voter message ==
:Gandy, i feel the same. Thank you for giving me yet another perma-smile. I am delighted to know it is mutual. Blessings for your '14!!! '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 04:50, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


<div class="ivmbox " style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #AAA; background-color: ivory; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center; ">
==Draft input==
<div class="ivmbox-image" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em; flex: 1 0 40px;">]</div>
Take a peek at ] and treat it as your own. :) --] (]) 15:17, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
<div class="ivmbox-text">
Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data|2022|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.


The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
: Wow, ], that is an unexpectedly interesting article. Good job!


If you wish to participate in the 2022 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. <small>] (]) 01:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)</small>
: I'm dealing with some things IRL that ''may'' mean I can't participate as planned (and promised). I'll keep you posted, and hopefully can do some adding to this and future drafts. Best and thanks, '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 18:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


</div>
Take a gander at ]. {{u|Rybec}} has proposed text for the RFC. If you approve of it, you could create the RFC at a neutral location like ] or ] and then advertise it on ]. I'd do it myself, but I want to make crystal clear that this is '''not''' "my" proposal, given how controversial the brainstorming was. --] (]) 10:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
</div>
<!-- Message sent by User:Cyberpower678@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2022/Coordination/MM/04&oldid=1124425184 -->


== Discussion re-opened ==
:l'll take a look, but I don't feel like I'm the one to take it to RfC. We do have experienced people, like Guy Macon, Wnt and Jericoman, who would probably consider doing it. Do you think it would be wise to get more feedback at Jimbo's? Not that we should wait any longer, but maybe someone comfortable with RfCs will pop up. The weekend should see more activity at the talk page. The idea of being 'the one' is certainly threatening, you become a target. Not pretty. This is why I suggest a more experienced editor than I (and to be honest, it's a bit more stress than I can handle right now). ] '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 10:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
::Ah, cool, it's already done. The present wording gives only two non-neutral choices and a 'do nothing'. I've asked Rybec to consider changing it. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 10:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


Just as heads up that I have recently re-opened a discussion ]. The question was about whether the article about ]’s island should include content about a science conference ] happened to be part of. You seemed to support the inclusion, mainly because two other editors supported the inclusion. Since then, those two editors have been indefinitely banned from the Misplaced Pages, and an investigation in to their bans shows that the two editors had problems with editing about conspiracy theories or ] related issues. That in mind, I have removed the problematic content from the ] article, since there is no longer consensus for its inclusion. ] (]) 22:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I'm one of the developers for the day of protest against mass surveillance. We were hoping to at least link to some eduction portal here on Misplaced Pages about surveillance but the number of conversations going on is a bit over whelming for me to look through. Was hoping you could help me better understand the current situation. My email is thomasalwyndavis@gmail.com -- ] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 03:55, 27 January 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== RE: We need help! ==


==Happy Holidays==
{{Talkback|Jaydubya93|We need help!|ts = 23:17, 25 January 2014 (UTC)}}
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#01902a; background-color:#fff; border-width:3px; text-align:center; padding:3px; height:211px; width:800px;" class="plainlinks">]{
{font|text='''<nowiki>~~~</nowiki> Merry Christmas! <nowiki>~~~</nowiki>'''|font=Century Gothic|size=30px|color=#bf00bf}}<br>
{{font|text=''Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten!<br>¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua!<br>God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus!<br>Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce!<br>Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством!''|font=Times New Roman|size=19px}}</div>
{{font|text=''Hello, Petra! Hope all is well with you and yours. Wishing you a ] and a ]!''|font=Times New Roman|size=19px}} &#8213;]&nbsp;] 20:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
==Fan Mail==
{{Wide image|{{LOCALMONTHABBREV}}{{LOCALDAY}} Woman of the Day.png|700px|As you say at Gandy's page ...its good to know you are doing well}} &#8213;]&nbsp;] 05:00, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


== Precious anniversary ==
==RFC wording?==
{{User QAIbox/auto|years=-Three}}
So, {{u|Rybec}} reposted the rfc wording you have objected to, and then bench added to it-- I boldly removed the whole thing. Does the wording have you and rybec and others' support? I don't want to step on toes, but I want to make sure people are looking over that has the support of more than one user.--] (]) 16:31, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
--] (]) 08:13, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
:For the record, I had posted it with Petrarchan47's wording, or very similar. &mdash;] 16:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
==Unblock request as established user==
::My apologies Rybec-- I hope I did as you wanted overall; --] (]) 21:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
{{unblock reviewed |1=Requesting an IP block exemption as established user; IP block due to IP "anonymizing proxy" range <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 21:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC) |decline = The procedure for getting IPBE now is to follow the directions at ] to request it by email. Regular admins just can't hand it out like we used to. — ] (]) 06:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)}}


== ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message ==
{{u|Petrarchan47}}, it seems like something really should go up today if possible. I'll leave it in your hands whether to pull the trigger and use the best wording you have or not. Too high pressure a decision for me! --] (]) 21:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


<div class="ivmbox " style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #AAA; background-color: ivory; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center; ">
:Hector, I think the idea is dead, and I'm not sure why. But the writing is on the wall... '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 21:51, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
<div class="ivmbox-image" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em; flex: 1 0 40px; max-width: 100px">]</div>
===moving forward===
<div class="ivmbox-text">
::We don't have good RFC text-- How about posting an open-ended discussion to ] and just advertising it in Cent.
Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data|2023|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
::Proposed text
:::Question: "Should Misplaced Pages do something on ]?"
::If nothing else, it would get a lot more eyeballs on this. --] (]) 22:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
:::That's really been my point all along. If the Village pump bring lots of eyeballs, then let's do it, {{u|HectorMoffet}}. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 19:57, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
::::So, I think "starting a discussion" issue is in better hands than mine. Best to focus on making sure we have all the articles people are going to want to read on Feb 11. To that end, would you take a peek at ], ], and ]. The last two are sort of companion articles to ones we have about the US and UK. Doesn't seem right to mention mass surveillance in X without having articles on the two regimes most famous for surveillance. --] (]) 10:29, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
:::::Indeed, will get to this tomorrow. I'm also thinking we could put some focus on ], the case that all mass collection depends upon. It was an OK for a search of a single person for a 4-day period. The phone data they could collect at the time in the 70's is nothing like what they can do now, of course, but this same finding was used as recently as December to justify phone metadata collection. Smith V Maryland may be fodder for an interesting "DYK". ] is another important bit that may need polishing. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 10:42, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
====Smith v Maryland====
<blockquote>Roth ( Human Rights Watch) said that from a human rights perspective, one of the biggest missteps the US administration had committed was to insist that there was a difference between the content of private communication and "metadata" – information about where, when and between whom the communication takes place. This distinction was based on a 1979 court case from the pre-digital era, which Human Rights Watch described as "troglodyte".


The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
Roth said: "I used to be a prosecutor – I used to put pen registers on people's phones, collecting the numbers that you dial – but I had to manually compile the numbers. It was very labour intensive, and hence self-limiting. Today, the computer can piece together your entire personal life in a matter of seconds."


If you wish to participate in the 2023 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. <small>] (]) 00:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
To assume that only the listening in, not the collection part of surveillance constituted an intrusion of privacy was "a fallacy", Roth said. "Imagine the government putting a video camera in your bedroom and saying 'don't worry, the feed will only go into a government computer, which we won't look at unless we have reason to believe that wrongdoing is taking place'. Would you feel your privacy is being respected? Of course not. But that's exactly what the government is doing."


</div>
Human Rights Watch had taken little solace from President Barack Obama's speech last Friday, Roth said. "Obama said there will be no more spying on Angela Merkel. Great! But what concerns us is the US government spying on ordinary people. He didn't say we have a right to privacy. He just said: we'll tread more carefully. What use is the government promising to restrain itself if it doesn't give anyone the chance to challenge that restraint in court?"</blockquote>
</div>
<!-- Message sent by User:Cyberpower678@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2023/Coordination/MM/04&oldid=1187132222 -->
==A Gathering is Happening==
*Hi Petra. It's Buster7 :) I'm forwarding this invitation I got from an editor that reminds me of you and Gandy.
:: (((I'm looking to interview people ]. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. ] ] 12:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC))))
*It's worth a visit! I hope to see you and Gandy there!!! ] (]) 14:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
===Holiday Greetings===
]{{quotation|<center>'''Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.''' Happy Holidays to you and yours. I hope you still visit these pages every once in a while. A recent ] of editors has sent me into a time-travel loop to revisit the distant past where I stumbled upon our playful sharing's of long ago. What a Joy. What fun it was. For me, your page was an oasis. Life is GOOD. Hope the same for you. &#8213;]&nbsp;] </center>}}
:Hi there dear {{u|Buster7}}, I've just been released from another (this time 6 month) range-block. I do indeed recall the good ole days, and feel the same as you. In fact, I found myself checking up on the BP oil spill and there is quite a lot of updating to be done, much research and peer reviewed papers have come out discussing the longer-term damage and effects from the oil and Corexit. It seems like something we could get together as a small group once again to work on (if I can remain free of these blocks). I need to touch base with Gandydancer too, if I can find her new location.
:Any updates from your end? How are things? <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 00:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
::What a wonderment to hear your song again. The idea of "your song" comes from ] a recent Editor of the Week and someone you should know. I'm still giving out the weekly awards (534 so far) and clerking at Editor Retention. Reminds me of the years my wife and I had a resale store in the neighborhood. Most days were easy going and then....all of a sudden....customers! I'll have to search out where I have info on Gandy's new identity. I know it's on my watchlist but where? Life is good. We are headed to NYC next month to stay at my nieces apt while she and her family go on Holiday. I like saying "Go On Holiday". It sounds so British!!! We were in London, on Holiday, a few months back visiting an old friend of my wife from 55 years ago. They worked in Tehran and corresponded every now and then. Still working at a local library a few days a week...security. How hard can that be? Watching too much TV but finding some gems. ] is worth a look. And I draw while watching, so ]. Life is Good. Lets Find Gandy!!! and have a reunion. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 05:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Buster7}} I am range blocked again until 2027. Let me try to remedy this issue... do you have any insight? Or perhaps know someone who might? Luckily I'm able to edit my TP!
:::My last big trip was to London to see my brother. Did you have fun there? As for finding Gandy, I think I can hunt her down. I'll race you!
:::Editor retention has got to be challenging when they're blocking people like this. Are you aware of the issue? I wonder if editors have been informed about this new process?
:::Delightful to touch base again, Buster! Enjoy the Spring, and New York, and keep that library safe! <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 02:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
::::Don't know much about range blocking. From what I read @ ] it mostly has to do with IP addresses' . Range blocks are explained over at ] with the strange sentence' '''You should avoid performing range blocks unless you understand what you are doing, or you may end up blocking tens of thousands or even millions of people who are not the problem!'''. Sounds like an admin could create a huge kerfuffle. Is that what happened to you? Love going to London. Love Minding the Gap! Love an English breakfast. Love going to Harrods and pretending I'm actually going to buy the $10000 sofa. Love Love Love Fish n Chips (No vinegar!!). Love everything around the Thames. Love St James Place near Buckingham Palace. Love seeing Arsenal or Chelsea play. Love having a chat and a ] with a brit from up North and barely understanding a word he says but loving every minute. Love spending hours people watching at Trafalgar Square. Love hearing someone talking Flemish (my native tongue) in line to get into the British Museum. And Love you and gandy!!! ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 05:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::Flemish?!! I visited Bruges drcades ago and havent heard much if any mention of that language since then.
:::::I got a response back from the admins, my appeal to remove the block was declined and now I am told to wait a few days to mull over the response, which was:
::::::Looking at our logs, it appears the IP address that you are editing from belongs to a proxy service. Open or anonymizing proxies, including VPNs, iCloud Private Relay, Tor, and web hosting services, are blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. While this may affect legitimate users, they are not the intended targets. No restrictions are placed on reading Misplaced Pages through an open or anonymous proxy.


::::::Although Misplaced Pages encourages anyone in the world to contribute, open proxies are often used abusively. MediaWiki, the wiki software that powers Misplaced Pages, depends on IP addresses for administrator intervention against abuse, especially by anonymous users. Open proxies allow malicious users to rapidly change IP addresses, causing continuous disruption that cannot be stopped by administrators. Several such attacks have occurred on Wikimedia projects, causing disruption and occupying administrators who would otherwise deal with other concerns.
====Secret interpretation of 'relevance'====
* secretly redefines "relevant" to mean, in effect, "everything"
*


::::::Unfortunately, you will not be able to edit while using this open proxy.
== deleting comments on this Talk page ==
::::I am no techie, and have no idea what all this means. <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
{{u|Buster7}} Ignore all of the above. I switched to my desktop and the problem seems to be solved. Now to find Gandy... <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


== Hi ==
I don't delete comments on my Talk page unless clear vandalism/repetition. If someone accuses me of, say, edit warring, I think that should be part of the public record. It doesn't mean the accusation is true. You evidently disagree and deem this page to be your territory and invitation only should you so desire. What I would like to point out, however, is that it is quite hypocritical to purge your Talk page and then make statements on mine implying that should I do likewise that would be objectionable. At one point you made an appearance just to say that another editor should be alerted that a third party (not I) had indirectly referred to her, did you not? Now why should it matter if the mention was made on a Talk page that is not public, and that I could just delete at any time at my whim? Are these User Talk pages public or not? If not, then why can't Doc and I not have a conversation without the "drama" of this sort of interruption? I raise this in order to note that perhaps the reason you so frequently edit war is because at the end of the day you're deletionist. If you wouldn't insist, for example, on deleting the material drawn from that ''Buzzfeed'' article that provided context and more fairly indicated what the ''Buzzfeed'' story meant to report, to take an example, perhaps this would stop the edit warring. Of course, there would still be the issues of you failing to engage on a point by point basis on article Talk pages, looking at what you are reverting (the latest example of many being removing "members " from the Tice article simply because *I* added the missing word), and your declining to heed what the community has advised you of.--] (]) 16:54, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
: much? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 01:28, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


I hope ur still there
:This is the last time I will say this. I am not here for drama. Editors are allowed to treat their talk page as their own space, deleting as they wish, and they also have a right to request that editors leave and no longer make comments, which I have done. I highlighted that I am asking you to cease from making comments here as of last night. Please calm down. I would suggest if you have issues pertaining to the Snowden article and the Buzzfeed piece, write a very clear RfC asking the community to weigh in. I cannot deal with you, and I do think it has to do with hostility directed at me. I also think people have witnessed your hostility is directed at whistleblowers, whose pages you feel keen to edit. I think this is contrary to the spirit of Misplaced Pages, which requires that we edit with a neutral point of view. I will join you at an RfC. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 19:49, 31 January 2014 (UTC)


Just wanted to ask to a truly unbiased admin, as I've seen through/extensively read up several discussions on wiki before I started to finally post stuff on talk pages quite recently -
==Advice moving forward==
Why are all my edits being undone by a single admin
Any suggestions for which articles should be prioritized in the coming days? I have time to spend, but need suggestions on where to focus. --] (]) 18:02, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
:Global surveillance revelations' impact on journalism seems to be overlooked on Wiki thus far. You may have seen the ] I added to the Wiki Project talk page with many sources for this? Wnt ] that the subject matter may better fit into existing articles. We do have the ], but this article has been split and moved twice, and ignored almost entirely. It needs help from top to bottom. If you feel happy to help with this, I'll join you.


Is it wikistalking
:At the same time, the articles you and Rybec have worked on are equally important, and carry a bigger world-view. So I am not sure if I'm being helpful or not ;) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 21:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


or more importantly
:{{u|HectorMoffet}} I'm also wondering about an article on , Columbia School of Journalism is conducting a year long look at "Journalism after Snowden". Watch the video, a few times - it is a goldmine. I've seen maybe 4 RS covering this initial panel. I would think this deserves its own page, but maybe coverage belongs instead in the Snowden and "Aftermath" articles? Another thought is that from this video are at least a handful of ideas for more articles, some of those touched on ]. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 23:41, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


Is there a possibility of a 'heavy handed effort' I've seen elsewhere on this wiki at work / affecting stuff here?
*Here's a rather good review of the panel, aad . '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 23:56, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


*Another article idea is '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 07:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


(In the sense that my comment was something like this (at Talk: Arab wikipedia -> section : Neutrality lost?))
::Great idea! I've started ant article with the working title ], but feel free to add stuff / retitle /etc to incorporate the material above! Good Work! --] (]) 22:20, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Pushed ] ] into articlespace. please improve them and link to them as you see fit. Too dramatic for me. ] (]) 09:21, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


👇 ] (]) 08:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
== Accusations of POV pushing ==


:: "Those colors are pan-Arab. But the text they added in the main page clearly states that Arabic Misplaced Pages stands in solidarity with Palestine. A formal complaint? Much good that would do. I am a regular Misplaced Pages donor because I believe in Misplaced Pages's mission statement. It's sad to see those core principals erode."
does not build trust. This sort of thing is ] uncivil and is counterproductive. It is part of a larger pattern. Please focus on the arguments rather than the editor. --] (]) 20:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
:: "Basically the Arab version of the English "pseudoscience effort"
:: Pls do mention this too out there too"
:: Two comments made by me and earlier,someone else (the other guy's, atleast was pretty much on-topic, on-discussion) were reverted as SOAPBOXing for grounds that are pretty much only criticising enwiki or wiki in general when there ''is'' certainly stuff to criticize even on enwiki
:] (]) 08:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::Does semi retired mean that I should not look here for answers? Just curious
::Ig even totally retired bois come back to answer a req. unless ofc if they're deceased or disconnected from the net right ] (]) 09:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Since I've anyways already asked so many questions I might as well complete it by asking one more last ye
:::Is editing to talk pages only
:::a blockable rationale, even in theory ,i.e., even if u hypothetically erased all the obvious double standards (obvious as in when u start by first seeing the the article of - say, ayurveda) ? ] (]) 09:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Was tempted to tell even more it out all openly at that particular TP but (besides that it would indeed be rolling highly off-topic and ranting to a point,) I knew, from what I have read here, that wiki is not as highly democratic as it seems to be and that there indeed is/may be a heavy hand (of sorts) on the site to be mindful of (regds. to what u say), in which case I can easily consider the comment i posted there as 'highly risky' ] (]) 09:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:And when I say talk pageS, I meant quite a few diverse and unrelated talk pages like the one on SB
:I had sensed an air of heavy-handedness/"unwelcomed"-ness(/whatever the right word is) right there itself, but I chose not to assume until it came to a deletion + SOAPBOXING charge by the same fella at a mention of something like 'the 'pseudoscience' problem here'
:To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text, u may wanna see my diffs/contribs. ] (]) 09:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::Plus a WP:BITE concern abt the same person I addressed to a totally different third party (before it became what I saw/see as a glaring obviousness abt this site and its 'admins'
::Actually, R U an admin ? - sheesh didn't ask this basic thing all this while ] (]) 09:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::again, I repeat,
::''To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text,'' '''u may wanna see the diffs/contribs.''' ] (]) 09:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


== Reunion 2024 ==
I also urge you to read ]. In a nutshell, there's nothing wrong with an editor having a POV. If there was, there wouldn't be many editors left. The important thing is that the edits themselves be neutral. So please focus on the specific edits rather than the editor. --] (]) 21:07, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


I found the beloved Gandy, {{u|Buster7}}. She's {{u|Sectionworker}}! <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
:I am absolutely beyond exhausted with Misplaced Pages right now after dealing first with Bdell555, whom you said brought good faith concerns that I should pay attention to, but after being asked, you were not able cite any. You instead found a heap of your own sudden problems with the article. Now it is on me, whilst in a period of needed hibernation, to take on all of your deletions one by one. Snowden's 4 Nobel nominations, the White House petition - unless I spent hours at this computer arguing with you and any buddies who might follow you around - these things won't be mentioned on Misplaced Pages. And I do think this is a continuation of a personal grief you have with me, that escalated when Sandy Georgia invited you to join her in initiating an RfC about me. It seems you were empowered at that point, and even though the community has never weighed in behind you at the Snowden page, you lack the expected degree of humility and instead seem to enjoy batting me around. I truly expected you to act with NPOV, and instead of making digs at me for claiming to be exhausted by Bdell555, that you would help. When Gandy commented that you should not just but in to stir up trouble, you then made digs about Gandy to Bdell555. This high school girl behaviour. All that I am saying can be proven by diffs, so it is silly for you to escalate this. I really wish you would leave me alone. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 21:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


] <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
::"This high school girl behaviour." One more personal attack and I'll see you at ANI. --] (]) 22:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
:::I am here to write articles, you seem keen to play games. This is very disturbing to me. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 22:13, 5 February 2014 (UTC) :Yes, but she hasn't made any contributions since May 15 of 2023. Fingers crossed she comes to visit and sees our interest. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 16:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
::Fingers: Crossed <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 00:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
::::] Please ] in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Misplaced Pages. <!-- Template:uw-agf3 --> --] (]) 22:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::One good essay deserves another. Please see ]. Challenges to Petra's ability and willingness to assume good faith are completely without reason. In my opinion she has cause to feel "batted around" by yourself and others. Threatening ANI does not promote collaboration or good will. Kindness promotes reciprosity...threats promote distance and a "turning away" from each other. ```]<small>]</small> 00:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC) :::Fingers crossed not working. Starting to cross toes!!! ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 03:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
::::::AAGF is an essay; AGF is a ''behavioral guideline'' the community as a whole expects every editor to follow. I believe that Petrarchan truly does feel "batted around" but that is not a reason for him/her to accuse me of "high school girl behavior" and being here to "play games" rather than to "write articles." And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If you follow Petrarchan's history with me and others you'll see we're way, way, way beyond AAGF territory. --] (]) 00:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I do not follow Petrar's history with you and I don't plan to start. I spoke up to defend a fellow editor...and a wiki-friend. Rather than focus on the minor point of "which is a guideline and which is an essay", it would be more collaboratively-minded of you to focus on the message. I only stepped out of the crowd so that we do not lose Petrarchan's passioned editing. No need to reply. I won't respond. ```]<small>]</small> 01:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
::::::::It is hard for me to understand the complaints when s/he sees nothing wrong with saying, "I wouldn't even bother trying to actually convince {{u|Petrarchan47}} of anything. He/she is simply too stubborn and and intolerant of criticism". Petrarchan works on some very difficult articles and does a good job of it. I've worked with P for some time and I have not found him/her to be at all difficult. ] (]) 02:52, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::We're talking about Petrarchan's conduct here, not mine. WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF are universal policies/guidelines that apply regardless of whom you're dealing with. There's never an excuse for making sexist personal attacks on Misplaced Pages. And I think I'm on safe ground saying that you've been spared from Petrarchan's wrath because he/she sees you as having a similar POV. --] (]) 04:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


== You may wanna see this ⬇️ ==
::::::::::Just who do you think you are, anyway? I'm pretty sick of your "better than thou/know it all" attitude. ] (]) 01:07, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuJT9mp0jw&list=PLoXVez7Y_XKVTBHJYyJjDbA6bUBo7JOWf ] (]) 23:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Petrarchan, these recent tiffs aside, one of the themes that comes through in your recent dealings with Brian Dell and me is that you're tired and you're sick of dealing with editors you disagree with on a point-for-point basis. I certainly understand you being tired; I have no knowledge of (or interest in) your personal life but you've put a huge amount of time into several articles I watch and most of your work has been very beneficial to the encyclopedia. Please forgive me if I disagree on a tiny fraction of the work you've been doing. Unfortunately for you, dealing point-for-point with those you disagree with is just part-and-parcel of what Misplaced Pages is all about. If you don't want to do it then by all means, don't do it. You're under no obligation to defend your work, and there are plenty of editors who seem ready to step in and carry your torch. (Hey, it's Olympics season, I can't help it.) Just please try to keep your punches above the belt. --] (]) 05:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


:P.S. The previous IP was also me, so pls notify if u don't wanna hear more cos ur retired, I'll gladly oblige and things will atleast be clear
:Fleischman, you stepped in to the Snowden talk page after a long time of peaceful silence from you, during which time one must assume you harbored no simmering resentments and saw no immense problems with the Snowden article. Days ago, you suddenly arrive to scold me about ignoring Bdell555's "good faith suggestions". I immediately asked you to identify for me which editing suggestions from Bdell555 were, in your opinion ,worth further consideration and could be used to benefit/modify the article.
:(Hope my revelation doesn't get me in trouble 😅) ] (]) 00:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
::It's a lost cause, my friend. But realize that at this point, everyone knows the word "encyclopedia" is much like the word "news". These terms once evoked trust, and were seen as a safe place for truth to reside, awaiting the curious. Now, they have people racing to 'do their own research':
:::what are others saying?
:::who is funding the studies?
:::who is funding the platform?
:::where are the conflicts of interest and how have these factors affected the truth?
::Following the money turns out to be a worthwhile pasttime for the armchair researcher (as we are by default called to be). <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 00:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
==Toby the outside cat==
Toby lives outside. He is not homeless as he has many homes he visits throughout the neighborhood. But my 120 year-old building is his base. He once was an inside cat but his owners, now former tenants of mine, let him out one day, he tasted freedom, and now scorns entering any doorway. He just arrived (at 6AM) to check his dish which another tenant fills daily. Empty! I told him to go catch a city rat and eat it this time instead of dropping it off, decapitated, in my yard. He looked at me and walked away, insulted that I asked him to actually eat his prey. I didn't want to tell Toby that his former mate, Amy, was passing away upstairs. See, the former jerk tenant, that I had to evict for non-payment of rent, had four cats. Toby, his mate Amy, and two of their kittens that were adults. The jerk tenant completely abandoned the three inside cats leaving it to me to call the Anti-Cruelty Society to pick them up for adoption since they were good cats. They came but we only found two. Two weeks later, Amy jumped out of a hide-a-bed we were dismantling for discard and went to hide. For weeks she hid (not to well since we knew where she was) on the enclosed back porch, We LET HER BE, as instructed by the Beetles but she didn't eat food or drink we put out for her. On day she was gone! I left windows open and figured she jumped out one and went to join Toby in the Great Outdoors. Sadly that was not the case. A few days ago, my first floor tenant tells me he has been hearing mice in his bathroom ceiling. Knowing there is an access panel to the 6' foot tub and that I had opened it weeks ago to start a repair that was now on hold, I knew it was Amy. As I write this, Amy is in the throws of death. I can't get to her, poor thing. I dropped some wet food down to her and water but she is comatose...still breathing but barely. If I could I would end her pain but I can't reach her to help. Toby doesn't Know. I haven't told him. Maybe Tomorrow. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 05:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
:Our cat Starr (named after Ringo) doesn't know either. I don't think I will tell him!!! ]<small>]</small> (UTC)
::Buster I'm sorry to hear this sad story. what ended up happening? (Crossing my toes too. We love you Gandy.) <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 01:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry to report that precious Amy did not survive her ordeal. She passed away overnight in late August. Animal Cruelty passed my call on to City Services who never did respond in time to save her. There was not much we could do to help her or ease her suffering. If you can visualize this, she was halfway... under pipes and the floor all under the tub. We scooted food and water, but she never touched it...not for days. She was never socialized to humans and because of that she hid and stayed away. Her chosen hiding place led to her death. So sad, poor little thing. We wrapped her in some linen and buried her in the garden. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 03:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)


== ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message ==
: You have so much as admitted that indeed there was no usable content in the long, endless diatribes from Bdell555. I asked you in good faith, believing you must not have made the comment to me if you hadn't thoroughly read his contributions, as you indicated and continue to, that I was ignoring valuable work and being unfair to an editor. '''I am asking DIRECTLY - what is Bdell555 saying on that talk page prior to your arrival that you think should be considered further, and how can it be used to aid the article?''' (Space for answer is below my comment)


<div class="ivmbox " style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: #fdf2d5; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center; ">
: Furthemore, you next joined up with him and began gossiping on his talk page. It doesn't look good when you both declare me "impossible", and knowingly collaborate with someone I have admitted - in an attempt to ask for help - has exhausted me. No other editor disagreed with my assessment, and though you seem to have, you've offered no support to back up your assessment/defense of Bdell. It seems gamey to see me in an admitted weakened state, and to use that opportunity to pounce. When I asked on your talk to drop the stick, it seems you did the exact opposite. It appears from the recent week - where you have also dropped by another article and attempted to remove a section I have written, ie, the Aaron Swartz section at ] - that you are trying to exacerbate a personal vendetta with me. I am surprised you still have one, and it's now plain for all to see. This, and the gossiping with my detractor, is what I mean by "high school girl". It's gamey bullshit and I would think one would at the very least try to hide it on from their peers to protect their reputation.
<div class="ivmbox-image noresize" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;">]</div>
<div class="ivmbox-text">
Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data|2024|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.


The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
: Instead, you changed the goalpost and made a visit to my talk page after being asked months ago not to drop by here anymore, seemingly to try and get another diff for you collection. You made a massive amount of deletions to the Snowden page instead of directly addressing he questions posed to you about your defense of Bdell555, leaving me, the one person working on the page regularly, to sift through your edits one by one and defend them, whist making fun of me for being too fed up for such a process, and sitting by enjoying an inevitable breakdown so you can take me to an ANI - as if I've been upsetting your editing experience on Wiki or anyone else's. On top of this, you want to be seen as some sort of arbiter of good faith and reason.


If you wish to participate in the 2024 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. <small>] (]) 00:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</small>
: I look forward to a clear answer below. After that, I would prefer if you would honor my request to stay off this page. Alternately, you can answer my question about Bdell555's editing suggestions where I asked it originally on the Snowden talk page. Make the suggestions from Bdell555 clear so that editors not familiar with the article can help, as I am (well done, Dr F) over it.. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 20:09, 6 February 2014 (UTC)



:'''DrFleischman Answer''':

=== Please note ===
I've made reference to this conversation on ANI. ] (]) 07:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

:Thank you. There is a continuation of this at Binksternet's talk ]. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 02:05, 9 February 2014 (UTC)


==Farewell, and thank you==
Hey Petrachan! Thanks for all your help in the last month. It's been great working with you. It was always a long shot that we would do something "special"-- as it should be, and I'm not at all disappointed that a controversial idea wasn't adopted. I had a lot of fun working on it.

Unfortunately, I found out some things about how parts of Misplaced Pages are run, and they just don't sit with me. I spent two years without really looking at mainpage, and I probably could have happy spent two years more without looking. If you like sausage, don't watch how the sausage is made, I suppose.

But I couldn't leave without saying goodbye and thanks for all your hard work! If you ever get bored with with this place, come over to scholarpedia-- all the joy of editing Misplaced Pages with any of the drama of editing Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 01:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

:(Friendly stalker) Yes, Petrarchan ''is'' a hard worker...and smart...and she has made the 'pedia a better place. But I can't blame anyone who is not interested in fighting the constant battle that goes on here. I agree with Petrar that it did not used to be this way. A lot of the guidelines that were thoughtfully put together have been twisted to the point that they have now sometimes been a detriment to good editing--I'm thinking of the medical articles here. I just quit editing them rather than argue. I can see all the pesticide articles, something I work on, losing their right to include copy that is not FDA, EPA, etc., approved. In other words, corporate controlled, like our government agencies that are ''supposed'' to be working for us.

:As for your hard work to try to set something up, I doubted right from the start that an agreement could be reached. This place has become so dysfunctional I wounder if it we will slowly turn into a political and corporate collection of ads. I'm really surprised that I can even say such a thing--I've always been such a positive thinker...I've even had to watch myself to be sure that I was not being too much of a Pollyanna. But I do have to wonder if a place like this does tend to draw people that are not capable of working with others...

:Drop by and say hi now and then... ] (]) 03:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
==NSA==
Warm greetings from your friends at the National Snooping Agency (motto: ). ```]<small>]</small> 06:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
==Messaage==
{{YGM}} ```]<small>]</small> 20:21, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
:I understand. No rush. I just thought you might enjoy a little respite to take your mind off "the troubles". Doing what I do, I spend a lot of time with deserving editors (deserving of my time that is). Editors like you. I wander around and look for quality editors. You shouldn't waste any of your time. Now that they have a preconceived notion of what and who you are, it's likely that ] will become your theme song when dealing with them. I know that disagreements are not why you edit. I know that disagreements at WP creep their way into our real lives and that is very un-healthy. I know because it happens to me. TRA! ```]<small>]</small> 19:56, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
::Buster, the thing is, you can't edit articles around here for very long without coming into contact with hardcore POV pushers and pure, unadulterated jerks. I absolutely am given no choice in the matter right now, as the field I am most interested in studying at the moment (and therefore, whose articles I tend to update) is rife with contention, to say the least. But I truly don't think it can be argued that my history shows an attraction for drama, or anything like that. I think that Misplaced Pages, as {{u|Gandydancer}} pointed out with regard to medical content here, is systemically being taken over by special interests - and that activity is accelerating. The PR company that got busted was a tiny tip of the iceberg that independents deal with at every turn. The thing that drives editors away from here though, may be the lack of other indies as their decline continues. Independent editors can handle only so much. They can keep articles updated, typos fixed, etc., but when attacked for weeks and months, especially if by more than one person, that lack of indie support can mean the end.

:: Though I do feel attracted to working on articles rather than behind the scenes, I'll definitely visit your idea once I come up for air. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 20:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

:::From --
<blockquote>'Yet Misplaced Pages and its stated ambition to “compile the sum of all human knowledge” are in trouble. The volunteer workforce that built the project’s flagship, the English-language Misplaced Pages—and must defend it against vandalism, hoaxes, and manipulation—has shrunk by more than a third since 2007 and is still shrinking. Those participants left seem incapable of fixing the flaws that keep Misplaced Pages from becoming a high-quality encyclopedia by any standard, including the project’s own.
<br>The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Misplaced Pages and broaden its coverage'.</blockquote>

:Great work on this article. Nice to see you have a nest to rest in. TRA! ```]<small>]</small> 21:20, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

== If it quacks like a duck ==


First 4 of 8 traits of a disinformationalist (from link):

<blockquote>1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.</blockquote>

The best one is:

<blockquote>6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of 'artificial' emotionalism and an unusually thick skin -- an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial. Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the 'image' and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It's just a job, and they often seem unable to 'act their role in character' as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later -- an emotional yo-yo. With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game -- where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.</blockquote>

== A beer for you ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ]
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for your diligence, we need more editors like you. Also wanted you to know that, after following links from my talkpg to Gandydancer's and then yours, and simply noticing your refs to Aaron Swartz, I finally got around to checking his wiki article and some of the sourced news accounts -- so thanks for the inspiration. '']'' <sup>(])</sup> 04:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
|}
:Great timing, thank you Dude. Nice to see you again. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 18:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

==Warning!==
Don't drink too much ]. Always remember to have a ]```]<small>]</small> 05:25, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
:Perfection as always, Buster :D '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 06:22, 10 March 2014 (UTC)


== To do ==

*http://mashable.com/2014/03/24/deepwater-horizon-study-oil-tuna/

*http://www.businessinsider.com/antonin-scalia-talks-nsa-spying-at-brooklyn-law-2014-3#ixzz2wtUSa03Q

*http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2014/mar/27/nsa-bulk-data-reform-bills-compared?CMP=twt_gu

===SE===
*
:
The Snowden revelations are a classic example of journalistic critical mass. The journalists covering them have used the documents to identify and amplify an issue of such importance and scope that it doesn’t flame up and out in the manner of most stories. Rather, this one has gained weight in the public sphere as time goes on, in what Jay Rosen aptly calls the “Snowden Effect.”
*C "On Monday’s NOW with Alex Wagner, Alex and the panel discussed “The Snowden Effect” – a term coined by NYU Journalism professor Jay Rosen."
* "New York University journalism professor and media critic Jay Rosen defines the Snowden Effect (a term that may have been coined by Esquire political columnist Charles Pierce) thusly..."
*"The Snowden Effect with expert NYU Prof. Jay Rosen"
* " NYU Journalism professor Jay Rosen and Charles Pierce have both written about what they call "the Snowden effect": the tidal wave of revelations about US surveillance policy stemming not only from the documents he enabled us to report, but also the resulting unprecedented focus on the Surveillance State."
* "Media critic Jay Rosen has coined the Snowden Effect, to talk about the flood of new, valuable information about the surveillance state sparked by NSA whistleblower Ed Snowden."


* Esquire

== Citation needed ==

At ], there's a citation to the comments at an OPPD board meeting. The document cited is a PDF 36 pages long, and text searches apparently don't work on it. It seems unreasonable to force a reader who wants to verify information in the article text to slog through all 36 pages. That being the case, I inserted a citation-needed tag as a placeholder, with a comment in the page's markup language to the effect that some kind of page number was necessary. You've , which I believe you may have inserted originally; but you haven't indicated a page number. Although the document doesn't have numbered pages, we could get around this by using something like "p. 17 of the PDF file". Could you please take care of this? Thanks. ] (]) 23:01, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

: I inserted an article that re-quotes the section I was referring to, and there is only one page to scan. The referenced bit is in the first few paragraphs. Usually that's considered sufficeint. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 23:07, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi, I'm not trying to be difficult - i removed a phrase you inserted in the above article because, though it may be true (most comprehensive bill... etc), there was no reference supporting the statement. This article has been very contentious, and every view, such as that one, will need verification. More than happy for it to go back in if we have neutral reliable sources describing the bill that way. Cheers, ] (]) 00:03, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, so sorry about that - I inserted my text in the wrong place entirely. Sorry to bother you :) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 06:30, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

==DYK for USA Freedom Act==
{{tmbox
|type = notice
|image = ]
|text = On ], ''']''' was updated with a fact from the article ''''']''''', which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ''... that the proposed ''']''', which would undo certain ] provisions of the ], was introduced by Rep. ], author of the Patriot Act?'' {{#if: |The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].|{{#ifexist:Template:Did you know nominations/USA Freedom Act|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].|{{#ifexist:Template talk:Did you know/USA Freedom Act|The nomination discussion and review may be seen at ].}} }} }} You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page <small>(], , )</small>, and it may be added to ] if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the ].
}}<!-- Template:UpdatedDYKNom --> Thank you ] (]) 20:47, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

==FYI==
Just want to share with you as a point of information, nothing more. Hope you are enjoying the springtime. ```]<small>]</small> 18:20, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:(friendly stalker) Thanks Buster. Say Petrar, did you catch this Democracy Now show? Buster, speaking of spring, as am avid gardener, I'm sure enjoying seeing the return of another spring. Not only the plants, but it is good to hear the songs of the returning birds as well. On the other hand, it is so sad to see fewer and fewer each year. We used to have bats--they are gone. We had swallows--I saw only two last year. And on and on. It is heartbreaking to see the world die right before our eyes. I remember when the windshield of our cars needed to be scraped of hundreds of bug splats--no more. Moths and butterflys--hardly see any these days. I guess that that is what keeps me posting on articles like BP, but it seems to be a losing cause. Say P, is there anything new on the Decorah (sp?) eagles? My love to both of you, Gandy ] (]) 21:21, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::Check it out . Ive been working outside too. More to come....```]<small>]</small> 21:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

:::Total miracle: all three eggs hatched, even though they were laid into a nest that was pure ice, and it was subzero temps for most of the incubation time. Even the pro's said only one would hatch, at most. They've never seen anything like this before. Now they are teenagers, lazy, eating and napping around the clock. Adorable.

:::The loss of butterflies is most disturbing, and for me, most evident. I'm reading that it's due to GMO crops, and the increased use of pesticides that accompany them. BTW, the first time I heard about MEDRS was when I found a Reuters article showing that Roundup was being found in urine samples, and was leading to cancers. It was the first time I was not allowed to use a Reuters article on WP, and when i met the tight knit crewe at the noticeboard. It turns out that all along MEDRS is being misused, as Gandy and I have been saying for months. It's not a guideline after-all. Interesting to think of how much information is kept from our readers due to this manipulation.

:::Yes, I've been keeping up to date on the BP issue, though I hadn't yet seen the latest from Buster. is an article that goes along with the DemNow interview - basically the blowout preventer has *not* been improved, and BP is now allowed back in the gulf for new leases. This needs to be added to WP. It's funny that we get so much grief for being rough on BP, when little-to-none of this sort of information is mentioned in any WP article. Remember trying to quote RS that BP had the worst safety record? We got our asses handed to us for that. Well, says it loud and clear, and details a huge chunk of the BP oil spill story that is nowhere to be found on WP. And BP has it won't be funding studies to look into the damage done. Scientists say this work won't be done, as there is no funding elsewhere. Also needing updated: . '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 22:14, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

:::More articles to help update:
:::*
:::* '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 01:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


:::OH! '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 22:57, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

::::Where's the Beef? The talk pages have been quite for a month. I'm reminded of the old west adage..."when yur 6-gun is loaded, ya just wanna shoot sumthin! ```]<small>]</small> 01:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Oh, this is probably about ] '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 02:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

==Invitation join the new ]!==
] gives us an understanding of how and why things in the field of ] happen. Together, let us jumpstart the project and get it going. Our energy is all it needs.]]
Based on the long felt gap for categorization and improvization of ] articles relating to the field of ], the new ] has been created. '''WikiProject Physiology''' is still in its infancy and needs your help. On behalf of a group of editors striving to improve the quality of physiology articles here on Misplaced Pages, I would like to invite you to come on board and participate in the betterment of physiology related articles. Help us to jumpstart this WikiProject.
* Feel free to leave us a message at any time ]. If you are interested in joining the project yourself, there is a ] where you can sign up. Please leave a message on the talk page if you have any problems, suggestions, would like review of an article, need suggestions for articles to edit, or would like some collaboration when editing!
* You can tag the talk pages of relevant articles with '''<nowiki>{{WikiProject Physiology|class=|importance=}}</nowiki>''' with your assessment of the article class and importance alongwith. Please note that '''WP:Physiology''', '''WP:Physio''', '''WP:Phy''' can be used interchangeably.
* You will make a '''big difference''' to the quality of information by adding ''']'''. Sourcing physiology articles is essential and makes a big difference to the quality of articles. And, while you're at it, why not use a ] to source information, which can source multiple articles at once!
* We try and use a '''standard way of arranging the content''' in each article. '''].''' These headings let us have a standard way of presenting the information in anatomical articles, indicate what information may have been forgotten, and save angst when trying to decide how to organise an article. That said, this might not suit every article. If in doubt, ''']'''!
* Why not try and strive to create a ''']'''! Physiology related articles are often small in scope, have available sources, and only a limited amount of research available that is readily presentable!
* Your contributions to the WikiProject page, related categories and templates is also welcome.
* To invite other editors to this WikiProject, copy and past this template (with the signature):
** '''{{tlsx|WP Physiology–invite}}''' <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
* To welcome editors of physiology articles, copy and past this template (with the signature):
** '''{{tlsx|WP Physiology–welcome}}''' <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>
* You can feel free to contact us ''']''' if you have any problems, or wish to join us. You can also put your suggestions there and discuss the scope of participation.

Hoping for your cooperation! <font face="Segoe script">]]</font> 13:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

== Thank you for being one of Misplaced Pages's top medical contributors! ==

<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
:''please help translate this message into the local language''
{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Cure Award'''
|-
| style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | In 2013 you were one of the ] across any language of Misplaced Pages. Thank you so much for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date medical information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do!
|}

We are wondering about the educational background of our top medical editors. Would you please complete a ''''''? (please only fill this out if you received the award)

Thanks again :) --], ] and the team at ]
</div> </div>
</div>
<!-- Message sent by User:Ocaasi@metawiki using the list at http://meta.wikimedia.org/search/?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Med250_2013&oldid=7964995 -->
<!-- Message sent by User:Cyberpower678@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024/Coordination/MM/04&oldid=1258243549 -->
==File permission problem with File:Decorah eagle parents mating behavior, December 2011.png==
]
Thanks for uploading ''']'''. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.


If you are the copyright holder for this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either
== Passport cancelled ==
* make a note permitting reuse under the ] or another acceptable free license (see ]) '''at the site of the original publication'''; or
* Send an email from an address associated with the original publication to '''permissions-en@wikimedia.org''', stating your ownership of the material and your intention to publish it under a free license. You can find a sample permission letter ]. If you take this step, add {{tl|permission pending}} to the file description page to prevent premature deletion.


If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to '''permissions-en@wikimedia.org'''.
Sorry I missed the mention in the second paragraph. Agreed we don't need to say this three times (four if you include the lead). Thanks for reverting me! ] (]) 20:48, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
:Anytime. We definitely want to get the US official view in the article; in the past there have been multiple people editing the page with this view being the primary focus of their edits. So we end up with stuff like this. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 23:51, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


If you believe the media meets the criteria at ], use a tag such as {{tl|non-free fair use}} or one of the other tags listed at ], and add a ] justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included. See ] for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
== What's wrong with this picture? ==


If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. Here is ]. '''Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged''', as described in ]. You may wish to read Misplaced Pages's ]. If you have any questions please ask them at the ]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Di-no permission-notice --> ]] 01:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
We all need a little humor from time to time. For a good chuckle take a look at the ] article. Can you imagine what would happen if the blogs/press took a look at it too? :) ] (]) 01:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
: Seems fairly representative of the US to me! 98% white males, 1% African-American basketball players and 1% white females used as entertainment for the aforementioned 99%. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 02:35, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
== June 2014 ==

] Hello, I'm ]. I have automatically detected that <span class="plainlinks"> to ] may have broken the ] by modifying 2 ""s. If you have, don't worry: just again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on .</span>
:List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page:
*<nowiki>attended ]. He attained a PhD in international relations from </nowiki>{{red|'''&#91;&#91;'''}}<nowiki>Massachusetts Institute of Technology|MIT while studying at ].<ref name="</nowiki>
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow ]. Thanks, <!-- (0, 2, 0, 0) --><!-- User:BracketBot/inform -->] (]) 09:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

== AstraZeneca ==

Please join me on the Talk page! :>)

==Request==
Can you take a look at my ] an add your two cents to my reply to User eastloc. The pertinent article is ]. Thanks. ```]<small>]</small> 13:16, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
:Any stalkers are welcome too! ```]<small>]</small> 13:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
::I will! And by the way, I wanted to thank both of you guys on the "editor of the week" thing. Really made my day. By the way, one little thing I wanted to mention, and I wasn't sure where to bring this up. The article I brought to GA status was ], not ]. Thanks again, ] (]) 14:11, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
::*{{u|Buster7}} Can you fix this? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 22:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
:::Yep! Already done did it!!! :~) ```]<small>]</small> 23:24, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
==Refs==
{{reflist}}
Hey Petra! I just stopped by to see how you were doing and I noticed these references were "hanging out" at the bottom of your page. It's probably something from a thread up above somewhere. Gandy had the same problem just a while ago. Hope all is well and that you are in a peaceful place. ```]<small>]</small> 04:02, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

==Need that pic==
Hi Petra, you did this "upload-thing" for http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Site_of_Michael_Hastings%27_car_crash.png , right? I sorely miss that pic for de:WP Are you able and willing to upload it for us other folks? Many Mercis in advance --] (]) 18:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

== Seasons Greetings ==
{| style="border:1px solid plum; background-color:#A3BFB1;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | ]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size:large; color:white; padding:0; vertical-align:middle; height:1.1em;" | '''Happy holidays.'''
|-
|style="vertical-align:middle; border-top:1px solid White;color:white;" |Hoping you stop by to get these best wishes for joy and happiness <font color =White>to my wiki-friend Petra from ```]<small>]</small> 08:34, 5 December 2014 (UTC)</font>
|}
:Yappy Gnu Hear, Petra! (burp!) ```]<small>]</small> 15:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

== Happy New Year ==

Hi Petra, I just realized today how long it has been since I've seen you edit. I hope you're okay, and that you have a good 2015. It would be lovely to hear from you sometime. All the best, ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 02:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

I miss you too. It's never been the same without you here Petra. Who else could I ever give hugs and kisses to and get them in return as well? xxxooo ] (]) 03:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

:Bless your hearts! (You too, Core and Buster) Big big hugs go out to you precious people from me - know that.

:I am ''really'' enjoying my break. Doing lots of healing. WP was nothing but stress for me and a source of much anger... or at least it brought it up in me. (I should probably 'own my feelings'.)

:One day I will probably return, and i will check in with you all more regularly in the meantime. Many blessings!! xxooo ~ Sarah '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 04:43, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

::You are definitely missed. Come back! ] (]) 15:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
:::I most heartily agree. Very nice to hear all is good. ]<small>]</small> 15:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:::Sarah, it's lovely to hear from you. I'm glad you managed to make the break and that you're doing okay. It's Misplaced Pages's loss, not yours, though I add my voice to the others that it would be nice (for us) to see you back. ] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 16:12, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | ]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Surreal Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | You have done so much already to improve Misplaced Pages and I look forward to more of your wisdom. ] (]) 17:27, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
|}

Latest revision as of 03:37, 3 December 2024

SEMI-RETIRED This user is no longer very active on Misplaced Pages.

disruptive whitewashing on Who's Who

If you continue removing sourced criticism despite repeated reverts from other editors, I will ask an uninvolved admin to block you at WP:ANI. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Some of your changes weren't as bad as I thought – I saw massive swathes of content vanishing from the article, as when you previously removed all mention of the various scams. Some of your edits were actually removing unsourced content, which I shouldn't have reverted. So, for that, I apologize for being too hasty (and clearly not reading the diffs well enough). Still, you need to stop edit warring to remove sourced content from that article. Hold an WP:RFC, raise the issue at WP:NPOVN, or do something else to establish consensus. Showing up every few weeks to blank sections is disruptive. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Whitewashing is a pretty serious charge. The difference between my version and yours is two paragraphs - in your version you re-added the following but changed nothing else:
”One example was the Who's Who Among American High School Students which was criticized for questionable nomination practices as well as whether the listing's entries are fact-checked and accurate. According to the admissions vice president of Hamline University, "It's honestly something that an admissions officer typically wouldn't consider or wouldn't play into an admissions decision," adding that "Who's Who... is just trying to sell books".
Who's Who publications are not all of questionable value, but publishers that select truly notable people and provide trustworthy information on them are hard to identify. A & C Black's Who's Who is the canonical example of a legitimate Who's Who reference work, being the first to use the name and establish the approach in print, publishing annually since 1849. However, the longevity of a publication is not in itself a guarantee. In 1999 Tucker Carlson said in Forbes magazine that Marquis Who's Who, founded in 1898 but no longer an independent company, had adopted practices of address harvesting as a revenue stream, undermining its claim to legitimacy as a reference work listing people of merit.”
The example of a high school scam comes from low quality sources: 1 and 2 I left it out of my version for that reason, and because this is a short, list-style article, thought mentioning every single instance there was a printed complaint about some version of a “who’s who” wasn’t necessary. I don’t think you can call this whitewashing when I’ve already addressed the scams in the Lede and body in a way you yourself found (nearly) sufficient.
The second paragraph you re-added was from Tucker Carlson, known as a conspiracy theorist and to my knowledge, not allowed on WP as a source. My removal of Carlson is not whitewashing to my knowledge, but perhaps I’ll check with the RS notice board to make sure.
Your paragraphs also make me wonder about the author, as they seem less reliant upon RS and sound very editorialized. The quotes selected are not neutral, considering how Carlson’s statement in my initial comment above wasn’t included whilst it would give the reader much better context. (“ “There are cases-- relatively few in our judgment--of individuals with decidedly modest vocational achievement being included in the Who's Who volumes.”)
“Whitewashing” should be reserved for describing the removal of negative content. What I’ve done is to try and present the facts in a balanced way. This was what I was trying to clean up - and my fix is nearly identical to the present one, so how am I the problem? petrarchan47คุก 14:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Dear Gerda, such a jewel you are. Thank you petrarchan47คุก 14:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Minor correction, though ~ I began editing in 2013 petrarchan47คุก 15:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Barnstar Awarded!

The Environmental Barnstar
Awarded in recognition for your legacy work on the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and other environmental articles. Also thanks for joining WP:Environment last month, with more editors like you, the WP will thrive. Hoping to see you a bit more, cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

JusDaFax What an honor, thank you, mon ami. Let me know if I can help in any way on environmental articles. I’m quite out of the loop, so please feel free to offer some guidance. It would be wonderful to work with you again. petrarchan47คุก 01:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC) Jusdafax

Welcome back! ―Buster7 ☎ 13:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi Buster! Thank you so much. How are things? Hot and steamy here, but the morning glories are finally blooming. Any word from our dear friends? petrarchan47คุก 23:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

ArbCom 2022 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2022 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 12 December 2022. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2022 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:13, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Discussion re-opened

Just as heads up that I have recently re-opened a discussion you participated in back in 2019. The question was about whether the article about Jeffrey Epstein’s island should include content about a science conference Stephen Hawking happened to be part of. You seemed to support the inclusion, mainly because two other editors supported the inclusion. Since then, those two editors have been indefinitely banned from the Misplaced Pages, and an investigation in to their bans shows that the two editors had problems with editing about conspiracy theories or WP:BLP related issues. That in mind, I have removed the problematic content from the Little Saint James, U.S. Virgin Islands article, since there is no longer consensus for its inclusion. Samboy (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


Happy Holidays

{

{font|text=~~~ Merry Christmas! ~~~|font=Century Gothic|size=30px|color=#bf00bf}}

Joyeux Noël! ~ Buon Natale! ~ Vrolijk Kerstfeest! ~ Frohe Weihnachten!
¡Feliz Navidad! ~ Feliz Natal! ~ Καλά Χριστούγεννα! ~ Hyvää Joulua!
God Jul! ~ Glædelig Jul! ~ Linksmų Kalėdų! ~ Priecīgus Ziemassvētkus!
Häid Jõule! ~ Wesołych Świąt! ~ Boldog Karácsonyt! ~ Veselé Vánoce!
Veselé Vianoce! ~ Crăciun Fericit! ~ Sretan Božić! ~ С Рождеством!

Hello, Petra! Hope all is well with you and yours. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ―Buster7 ☎ 20:17, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Fan Mail

As you say at Gandy's page ...its good to know you are doing well

―Buster7 ☎ 05:00, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
-Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Unblock request as established user

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Petrarchan47 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Requesting an IP block exemption as established user; IP block due to IP "anonymizing proxy" range petrarchan47คุก 21:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Decline reason:

The procedure for getting IPBE now is to follow the directions at WP:IPECPROXY to request it by email. Regular admins just can't hand it out like we used to. — Daniel Case (talk) 06:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 11 December 2023. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2023 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

A Gathering is Happening

  • Hi Petra. It's Buster7 :) I'm forwarding this invitation I got from an editor that reminds me of you and Gandy.
(((I'm looking to interview people here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC))))

Holiday Greetings

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension. Happy Holidays to you and yours. I hope you still visit these pages every once in a while. A recent gathering of editors has sent me into a time-travel loop to revisit the distant past where I stumbled upon our playful sharing's of long ago. What a Joy. What fun it was. For me, your page was an oasis. Life is GOOD. Hope the same for you. ―Buster7 ☎
Hi there dear Buster7, I've just been released from another (this time 6 month) range-block. I do indeed recall the good ole days, and feel the same as you. In fact, I found myself checking up on the BP oil spill and there is quite a lot of updating to be done, much research and peer reviewed papers have come out discussing the longer-term damage and effects from the oil and Corexit. It seems like something we could get together as a small group once again to work on (if I can remain free of these blocks). I need to touch base with Gandydancer too, if I can find her new location.
Any updates from your end? How are things? petrarchan47คุก 00:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
What a wonderment to hear your song again. The idea of "your song" comes from User:ARoseWolf a recent Editor of the Week and someone you should know. I'm still giving out the weekly awards (534 so far) and clerking at Editor Retention. Reminds me of the years my wife and I had a resale store in the neighborhood. Most days were easy going and then....all of a sudden....customers! I'll have to search out where I have info on Gandy's new identity. I know it's on my watchlist but where? Life is good. We are headed to NYC next month to stay at my nieces apt while she and her family go on Holiday. I like saying "Go On Holiday". It sounds so British!!! We were in London, on Holiday, a few months back visiting an old friend of my wife from 55 years ago. They worked in Tehran and corresponded every now and then. Still working at a local library a few days a week...security. How hard can that be? Watching too much TV but finding some gems. 3 Body Problem is worth a look. And I draw while watching, so "I got that going for me which is nice!". Life is Good. Lets Find Gandy!!! and have a reunion. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 05:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Buster7 I am range blocked again until 2027. Let me try to remedy this issue... do you have any insight? Or perhaps know someone who might? Luckily I'm able to edit my TP!
My last big trip was to London to see my brother. Did you have fun there? As for finding Gandy, I think I can hunt her down. I'll race you!
Editor retention has got to be challenging when they're blocking people like this. Are you aware of the issue? I wonder if editors have been informed about this new process?
Delightful to touch base again, Buster! Enjoy the Spring, and New York, and keep that library safe! petrarchan47คุก 02:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Don't know much about range blocking. From what I read @ Misplaced Pages:Administrators' guide/Blocking/Tools it mostly has to do with IP addresses' . Range blocks are explained over at Mediawiki with the strange sentence' You should avoid performing range blocks unless you understand what you are doing, or you may end up blocking tens of thousands or even millions of people who are not the problem!. Sounds like an admin could create a huge kerfuffle. Is that what happened to you? Love going to London. Love Minding the Gap! Love an English breakfast. Love going to Harrods and pretending I'm actually going to buy the $10000 sofa. Love Love Love Fish n Chips (No vinegar!!). Love everything around the Thames. Love St James Place near Buckingham Palace. Love seeing Arsenal or Chelsea play. Love having a chat and a fag with a brit from up North and barely understanding a word he says but loving every minute. Love spending hours people watching at Trafalgar Square. Love hearing someone talking Flemish (my native tongue) in line to get into the British Museum. And Love you and gandy!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 05:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Flemish?!! I visited Bruges drcades ago and havent heard much if any mention of that language since then.
I got a response back from the admins, my appeal to remove the block was declined and now I am told to wait a few days to mull over the response, which was:
Looking at our logs, it appears the IP address that you are editing from belongs to a proxy service. Open or anonymizing proxies, including VPNs, iCloud Private Relay, Tor, and web hosting services, are blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. While this may affect legitimate users, they are not the intended targets. No restrictions are placed on reading Misplaced Pages through an open or anonymous proxy.
Although Misplaced Pages encourages anyone in the world to contribute, open proxies are often used abusively. MediaWiki, the wiki software that powers Misplaced Pages, depends on IP addresses for administrator intervention against abuse, especially by anonymous users. Open proxies allow malicious users to rapidly change IP addresses, causing continuous disruption that cannot be stopped by administrators. Several such attacks have occurred on Wikimedia projects, causing disruption and occupying administrators who would otherwise deal with other concerns.
Unfortunately, you will not be able to edit while using this open proxy.
I am no techie, and have no idea what all this means. petrarchan47คุก 22:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Buster7 Ignore all of the above. I switched to my desktop and the problem seems to be solved. Now to find Gandy... petrarchan47คุก 22:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi

I hope ur still there

Just wanted to ask to a truly unbiased admin, as I've seen through/extensively read up several discussions on wiki before I started to finally post stuff on talk pages quite recently - Why are all my edits being undone by a single admin

Is it wikistalking

or more importantly

Is there a possibility of a 'heavy handed effort' I've seen elsewhere on this wiki at work / affecting stuff here?


(In the sense that my comment was something like this (at Talk: Arab wikipedia -> section : Neutrality lost?))

👇 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 08:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

"Those colors are pan-Arab. But the text they added in the main page clearly states that Arabic Misplaced Pages stands in solidarity with Palestine. A formal complaint? Much good that would do. I am a regular Misplaced Pages donor because I believe in Misplaced Pages's mission statement. It's sad to see those core principals erode."
"Basically the Arab version of the English "pseudoscience effort"
Pls do mention this too out there too"
Two comments made by me and earlier,someone else (the other guy's, atleast was pretty much on-topic, on-discussion) were reverted as SOAPBOXing for grounds that are pretty much only criticising enwiki or wiki in general when there is certainly stuff to criticize even on enwiki
2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 08:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Does semi retired mean that I should not look here for answers? Just curious
Ig even totally retired bois come back to answer a req. unless ofc if they're deceased or disconnected from the net right 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Since I've anyways already asked so many questions I might as well complete it by asking one more last ye
Is editing to talk pages only
a blockable rationale, even in theory ,i.e., even if u hypothetically erased all the obvious double standards (obvious as in when u start by first seeing the the article of - say, ayurveda) ? 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Was tempted to tell even more it out all openly at that particular TP but (besides that it would indeed be rolling highly off-topic and ranting to a point,) I knew, from what I have read here, that wiki is not as highly democratic as it seems to be and that there indeed is/may be a heavy hand (of sorts) on the site to be mindful of (regds. to what u say), in which case I can easily consider the comment i posted there as 'highly risky' 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
And when I say talk pageS, I meant quite a few diverse and unrelated talk pages like the one on SB
I had sensed an air of heavy-handedness/"unwelcomed"-ness(/whatever the right word is) right there itself, but I chose not to assume until it came to a deletion + SOAPBOXING charge by the same fella at a mention of something like 'the 'pseudoscience' problem here'
To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text, u may wanna see my diffs/contribs. 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Plus a WP:BITE concern abt the same person I addressed to a totally different third party (before it became what I saw/see as a glaring obviousness abt this site and its 'admins'
Actually, R U an admin ? - sheesh didn't ask this basic thing all this while 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
again, I repeat,
To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text, u may wanna see the diffs/contribs. 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Reunion 2024

I found the beloved Gandy, Buster7. She's Sectionworker! petrarchan47คุก 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

petrarchan47คุก 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but she hasn't made any contributions since May 15 of 2023. Fingers crossed she comes to visit and sees our interest. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 16:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Fingers: Crossed petrarchan47คุก 00:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Fingers crossed not working. Starting to cross toes!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 03:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

You may wanna see this ⬇️

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuJT9mp0jw&list=PLoXVez7Y_XKVTBHJYyJjDbA6bUBo7JOWf 103.137.93.97 (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

P.S. The previous IP was also me, so pls notify if u don't wanna hear more cos ur retired, I'll gladly oblige and things will atleast be clear
(Hope my revelation doesn't get me in trouble 😅) 103.137.93.97 (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
It's a lost cause, my friend. But realize that at this point, everyone knows the word "encyclopedia" is much like the word "news". These terms once evoked trust, and were seen as a safe place for truth to reside, awaiting the curious. Now, they have people racing to 'do their own research':
what are others saying?
who is funding the studies?
who is funding the platform?
where are the conflicts of interest and how have these factors affected the truth?
Following the money turns out to be a worthwhile pasttime for the armchair researcher (as we are by default called to be). petrarchan47คุก 00:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Toby the outside cat

Toby lives outside. He is not homeless as he has many homes he visits throughout the neighborhood. But my 120 year-old building is his base. He once was an inside cat but his owners, now former tenants of mine, let him out one day, he tasted freedom, and now scorns entering any doorway. He just arrived (at 6AM) to check his dish which another tenant fills daily. Empty! I told him to go catch a city rat and eat it this time instead of dropping it off, decapitated, in my yard. He looked at me and walked away, insulted that I asked him to actually eat his prey. I didn't want to tell Toby that his former mate, Amy, was passing away upstairs. See, the former jerk tenant, that I had to evict for non-payment of rent, had four cats. Toby, his mate Amy, and two of their kittens that were adults. The jerk tenant completely abandoned the three inside cats leaving it to me to call the Anti-Cruelty Society to pick them up for adoption since they were good cats. They came but we only found two. Two weeks later, Amy jumped out of a hide-a-bed we were dismantling for discard and went to hide. For weeks she hid (not to well since we knew where she was) on the enclosed back porch, We LET HER BE, as instructed by the Beetles but she didn't eat food or drink we put out for her. On day she was gone! I left windows open and figured she jumped out one and went to join Toby in the Great Outdoors. Sadly that was not the case. A few days ago, my first floor tenant tells me he has been hearing mice in his bathroom ceiling. Knowing there is an access panel to the 6' foot tub and that I had opened it weeks ago to start a repair that was now on hold, I knew it was Amy. As I write this, Amy is in the throws of death. I can't get to her, poor thing. I dropped some wet food down to her and water but she is comatose...still breathing but barely. If I could I would end her pain but I can't reach her to help. Toby doesn't Know. I haven't told him. Maybe Tomorrow. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 05:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Our cat Starr (named after Ringo) doesn't know either. I don't think I will tell him!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC)
Buster I'm sorry to hear this sad story. what ended up happening? (Crossing my toes too. We love you Gandy.) petrarchan47คุก 01:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry to report that precious Amy did not survive her ordeal. She passed away overnight in late August. Animal Cruelty passed my call on to City Services who never did respond in time to save her. There was not much we could do to help her or ease her suffering. If you can visualize this, she was halfway... under pipes and the floor all under the tub. We scooted food and water, but she never touched it...not for days. She was never socialized to humans and because of that she hid and stayed away. Her chosen hiding place led to her death. So sad, poor little thing. We wrapped her in some linen and buried her in the garden. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 03:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 2 December 2024. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2024 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Decorah eagle parents mating behavior, December 2011.png

Thanks for uploading File:Decorah eagle parents mating behavior, December 2011.png. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.

If you are the copyright holder for this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either

  • make a note permitting reuse under the CC BY-SA or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or
  • Send an email from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en@wikimedia.org, stating your ownership of the material and your intention to publish it under a free license. You can find a sample permission letter here. If you take this step, add {{permission pending}} to the file description page to prevent premature deletion.

If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.

If you believe the media meets the criteria at Misplaced Pages:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use}} or one of the other tags listed at Misplaced Pages:File copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Misplaced Pages:File copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. Here is a list of your uploads. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described in section F11 of the criteria for speedy deletion. You may wish to read Misplaced Pages's image use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. ✗plicit 01:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)