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			I typically use an edit summary with "copyright issue re ''URL''", or "cv ''URL''". The URL identifies source material that matches your edit too closely.
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			== Copyright violations on Chartered Institutes for the Management of Sport and Physical Activity ==
	Hi Sphilbrick, I'm a relatively new editor, but I was just looking at the license for the , and noticed it was classified as public domain. Any chance you can look up in the Wikimedia Commons OTRS queue and take a look at how the logo was submitted? When you find the original submission, could you help me understand how and who decides to re-assign a particular CC license to public domain? Thanks! --] (]) 21:10, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
	:There is nothing in OTRS.

			https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Chartered_Institute_for_the_Management_of_Sport_and_Physical_Activity
	:As noted on the image page, it was uploaded by {{ping\|Jbarta}} and licensed pd on the basis that it "does not meet the threshold of originality needed for copyright protection, and is therefore in the public domain".

			Thank you for flagging the copyright violation. I agree with the removal. However, there was other content that was removed that did not come from the website you flagged. This included infobox additions, a new section, and other text in the introduction not related to the vision/mission paragraphs.
	:(I am curious how you came to contact me, because I worked with a different version of the logo, but not that one. No big deal, just curious.)--]] 14:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

			I have reintroduced these elements onto the page. I will leave mission/vision absent.
	::Thanks for the prompt reply! I was curious about logo copyrights, and had been looking over the history of the different versions of the logo. I had assumed that the AIG logo had a copyright (and thus also assumed it would be in the OTRS queue), and was curious about Misplaced Pages's guidelines regarding the autonomy of users' interpretations of applying PD licenses to non-PD material. I thought to ask you about the newer version of the logo, since I saw your involvement on ] and mistakenly assumed that the new version would have also gone through OTRS. I suppose my question at this point would be how does a user-submitted image supersede the one submitted for fair use by the company itself? Is part of the push for the use of .SVG images over other filetypes, or just a matter of preference for PD licenses? --] (]) 23:15, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

			COI on my profile. Happy to add elsewhere if needed.
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	Hi, Could you have a look at {{ticket#\|2014110410013922}} - looking at the editing, it seems to be up your street. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:23, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
			:While it may not seem like the right thing to do, it is convention, when identifying a copyright issue, to do a rollback, which sometimes picks up other copyright issues and sometimes picks up inrelated,a nd non-problematic issues. You are always welcome to restore the non-copyright issue edits.
	:{{ping\|Ronhjones}} Thanks for bringing it to my attention. "R" means Rookie. I responded.--]] 21:59, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
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	I'm not sure that I saw the official "request" that you allude to , but there are lots of things I don't see and that could be one of them. ] (]) 21:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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			It's a joy to see your username back on the CopyPatrol list! ] (]) 04:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

			:Thanks! ]] 12:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Draft:2010 Albert Lea tornado ==

			Just to let you know, the "all-caps" material was from the ] (see source linked at bottom), I was rewriting it, since an ''exact'' copy of the NWS isn't very encyclopedic. Source is in the public domain, as well. :) ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

			:I am aware that the material comes from NOAA which is public domain, but it still needs to be attributed, and unless there is a very good reason , all-caps isn't acceptable. ]] 15:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Well, that's just how they write (see ). I guess I should have cited it, but I don't have a tool that just "de-caps" everything. Anyways, that's off the point. Since the device I write with is too smll to comfortably do the "double-window" thing with, I just paste the PD material (whether it's caps or not) into the draft, rewrite it, and then delete it. ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 15:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Draft: Daniel P. McCoy ==

			You deleted my draft for Albany County Executive Daniel P. McCoy's page due to "Copyright Infringement" can you please explain the error so I can remedy it? I am new to Misplaced Pages so I understand that I may have formatted it wrong. However, please be aware that I am a representative of his office and have permission to use his official bio and photos from our website. ] (]) 14:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

			:It is not a question of format.
			:The issue is that this page: is fully copyrighted unless acceptably licensed for use in Misplaced Pages.
			:You almost certainly other person you claim to be but we don't know that officially, and we can't take you word for it.
			:There is a process for providing a license for that site so that it can be used by Misplaced Pages.
			:There is a link:
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			:See ]
			:For going that route, please be aware that if you are a representative of his office then you have a conflict of interest issue and should not be editing a page about him.
			:Sorry for the bureaucracy but it's necessary.
			:Here's a link to a page specifically designed for new editors to ask questions. ]
			:I urge you to post there, explain your position relative to Daniel McCoy, and I am fairly certain you will get advice that discourages you from writing such an article. That's without even addressing the question of copyright. ]] 15:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Draft:Tom D. O'Malley - draft versus sanbox ==

			Hello Sphilbrick - I have a quick question regarding the best location on wiki to develop draft articles.

			Background: I am developing what will be a very comprehensive article on Tom O'Malley (the founder of the modern independent refining industry). I grabbed parts of a relatively weak (and 25-year-old stale article from Encyclopedia.com) as a starting framework. My article will be 5-10x as long as the starting point and probably have >100 references. However, while it was sitting in draft mode (for literally minutes) without being submitted under AfC, and without its citations, a bot picked up the similarity with encyclopedia.com (which surprised me given that it was a draft as patrolling drafts seems a bit odd). I then cut the text out and put it into my sandbox - leaving the draft space empty but did not delete the draft shell as I plan to repopulate when the article is more mature.

			The sandbox does not appear to be bot-patrolled (please disabuse me if this is wrong).

			I have run into similar issues when I bring in a large new article from MS Word all at once and save before the citations have been completed (in draft mode). Should all of this work be done in the sandbox versus the draft space? This seems a bit counterintuitive to me. thank you

			here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Tom_D._O%27Malley

			] (]) 18:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

			:I believe the sandbox is patrolled. It must be as I occasionally see it pop up in the notifications of potential copyright issues. Neither the draft space nor the sandbox are acceptable places for starting articles if your approach is to bring in copyrighted information and then clean it up. While I personally think that's never a desirable editing approach, I get that sometimes people do it that way. If you choose to work that way, it must be done off-line.
			:Material in draft space and in sandbox space doesn't have to fully meet final editing standards such as formatting or even complete citations, but it can never ever have copyrighted text other than the obvious exceptions (short excerpts as block quotes or within quotation marks) ]] 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
			::Ok - thanks for the heads up. ] (]) 17:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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			Please revert the deletion of draft article at ] and let me delete the the copyright offensive material. This is going to be my first article.

			I did not realise that a public description of a book on Amazon is subject to copyright.

			Thank you,

			Janos Abel ] (]) 21:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

			:With rare exceptions, everything you add to an article should be in your own words. Some of the exceptions include short quotes with the material is in a block quote or marked with quote marks and attributed. Other exceptions include public domain text which is properly attributed. My guess is some people are confused with the term public domain and think that things found in public websites constitute public domain. If that's your assumption it is quite incorrect.
			:My recollection is that there was not much of value beyond the copyrighted material in the draft article I deleted so I'm declining to restore it. ]] 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you for the explanation.
			::So is there no way to write an article now for that book?
			::Harsh regime to enforce. I was not allowed to correct an error due to misunderstanding or insufficient competency.
			::There is plenty of value and noteworthiness I can put into that article during the weeks to come. ] (]) 23:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::I decided to take a second look on the chance that I misremembered the contents. Here's the entire contents of the article excluding the copyrighted portion:
			::::''A book by Fred Harrison and Mason Gaffney edition published in 2023 by Shepheard-Walwyn.'' ]] 00:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Thank you for this second chance. Teaches me to be more careful about rules. ] (]) 17:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Requesting undeletion ==

			''Dear Sir, I noticed that my recent article ] was speedily deleted due to copyright infringement. I sincerely apologize for this oversight and kindly request you to consider restoring the article temporarily, so I can remove the infringing content and improve it in compliance with Misplaced Pages's guidelines.''

			''Thank you for your time and understanding.'' ] (]) 14:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

			:Sorry that's not an option. I can and did email you the contents although it was unbelievably painful due to the convoluted history of this article ]] 14:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Sir, can I rewrite and rectify my mistakes ? @] ] (]) 14:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Sure. I sent the contents of the deleted draft to you by email. ]] 15:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Many Thanks !! ] (]) 15:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Lake Pape ==

			As a new wikipedia editor, I am guaranteed to mess up, and I would appreciate some advise on adding information and sources to stubs or any article as I am not sure what is against the copyright rules. On the ] article you reversed my additions but I am not sure why it broke copyright rules, thank you for understanding my good intentions. ] (]) 00:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

			:Thanks for asking so politely. I'm sure it can be jarring when you're trying to make good faith improvements to an article and find they been removed.
			:Look at your first sentence of the biodiversity section:
			::Lake Pape is rich in ] and is classed as a mesotrophic lake on the ].
			:Now check out and look at the first sentence of the biodiversity section:
			::Lake Pape is rich in organic matter - a mesotrophic lake.
			:That sentence is a close call, and had it simply been that sentence I would've let it go. However, look at your second sentence:
			::There are sharp-leaf ] growing on the shores and bays of the lake.
			:And now the second sentence of the site:
			::There are sharp-leaf plants growing on the shores and bays of the lake.
			:There are several additional sentences, some identical, some close paraphrases.
			:The next issue is whether the source issue is acceptably licensed so that it could be used (with attribution course)
			:Many sites include a footer with the copyright status of the site. In this case, there is no such indication at the bottom of the page, nor is there at the bottom of the . Occasionally, I will run across editors who think the absence of a copyright statement means there is no copyright. While that was true many decades ago, the law was changed and the default assumption is that material is subject to full copyright even if there is no particular notice. There are some exceptions such as material created by US federal employees in the course of their employment, but that doesn't apply here.
			:The site appears to be associated with the country Latvia. While I have not memorized the copyright laws in every country, many countries are part of the ]. Latvia has been a signatory since 1995. See also The Berne Convention states that material is automatically subject to copyright as opposed to requiring a specific indication. (This is a casual summary. ) If you have information suggesting that this site is public domain, please let me know. ]] 13:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you for such a kind response. But does this mean I can't use the information from the site or does this mean I just have to write in my own words? ] (]) 13:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::You can use the information, in fact you should use it as a reference, but you should write it in your own words. I urge you to read ]. Some editors were under the impression that as long as they change a few words here and there will not be an exact copy which is correct, the key issue is whether it's essentially the same thing. This can be tricky as your goal is to make the same point. Good practice is not to copy a sentence and then try to change it, but read the whole site and ideally some other relevant site, and then write your own summary. When done, take a look at the original source on the chance your memory is so good you managed to largely reproduce it. Good luck, and thanks for your interest in contributing. ]] 13:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Thank you very much for the assistance and support! ] (]) 13:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

			== What's the point of contributing? ==

			I just edited Bedinvetmab to add the MOA which is missing. I pulled the info from the manufacturers prescribing information - i.e. the primary source and my edit was removed because of copyright violations? This is my first contribution to Misplaced Pages and based on this experience likely my last. ] (]) 17:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

			:I hope you will reconsider.
			:The early edits of many new contributors arise because they read an article, realize some important information is missing, go out and find that information and add that information copying and pasting from the original source, not realizing that this is almost always a violation of copyright policy.
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			:We want material added to Misplaced Pages articles to be reliable and while it might seem obvious that the words written by the actual manufacturer would be the best source, that's not necessarily the case. Manufacturers have a potential conflict of interest. One hopes they write factually and unbiased but one can't be sure, which is why we like to support additions to articles with citations to reliable sources that is places that have a reputation for being unbiased.
			:You asked about the point of contributing. The point is that when done correctly, Misplaced Pages can serve as a source of information which is as free of bias is we as a community can manage. All done by volunteers and free to the public. ]] 18:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Makes sense on one hand, on the other hand, if the point is to fact check because "while it might seem obvious that the words written by the actual manufacturer would be the best source, that's not necessarily the case. Manufacturers have a potential conflict of interest." then I would have expected the community to edit what I wrote if it's factually incorrect rather than delete it. ] (]) 18:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:::Is why we have concerns about accepting material from the manufacturer without question. That's why we push for "citations based on reliable sources" in sources with a conflict of interest which aren't viewed as reliable. That doesn't totally exclude the use of information from a manufacturer. For example a statement such as "according to the manufacturer, lorem Ipsum..." Might be acceptable if it's clear that the words are not in Misplaced Pages's voice and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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			:::That means we need to "respect copyright laws and never plagiarize from any sources". ]] 18:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

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			== Your revert at ] ==
	== Hi ==

			Your revert reinstated numerous errors. Why?
	I saw your post on WT:MILHIST and then remembered that you're one of the named clerks for the Gamergate case. If you have a moment, could you please have a look at ] I left on Callaneccc's talk page? Thanks, ] \| ] 22:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
			* I left you a message there on Talk, where your reasons for your unsupported revert should have been noted.
	:Looking now. --]] 22:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
			* I provided a reliable source for the simplest corrections of the original history of Buddhist robes, when the numerous errors were completely unsourced, those multiple errors your revert reinstated - on New Year's Eve, of all inappropriate times.
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			:I responded at your talk page. ]] 14:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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			== Courland Uprising ==
	Hi Sphilbrick, thought you might be interested in creating ]. She appears on both ] (1987) and ] (I also see where you began a user subpage in July 2010, ], for her). I'm sure there are plenty of sources that would qualify for GNG. Normally I'd write the article myself, but I've been pretty inactive for the past few months because of a new career. ] (]) 14:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
	:Oh and happy holidays! ] (]) 14:42, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
	::Thanks, no time at the moment, but should have some soon (see response to post above) Congrats on the new career.--]] 22:50, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

			Hello. You deleted my edits on ], destroying my hard work. I would like to politely ask you to send me text you deleted, so I can rewritte it and get back to working on my article :) I know that your bot flagged it as "copywritted", but it was just a quote from a newspaper, I pasted so I could use its informations in the article. It obviously wasn't intended to be in the final version. ] (]) 22:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
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			:I'm puzzled that you say it was "just a quote from a newspaper". That's exactly what is meant by violation of copyright rules. It is permitted to use short quotes if enclosed in quotation marks or set off as a block quote and if they are properly sourced neither of which apply here.
	== 2015 already ==
			:You seem to be under the impression that it's okay to have copyrighted material in a draft. It is not. It's never a good practice to start with copyrighted material and massage it but if you must, do it in an off-line editor.
			:My reversion may have picked up otherwise acceptable edits because it's standard practice to revert all consecutive edits by the same editor. I can send you the material but you need to turn on your email option in your preferences so that I can send it to you via email. Alternatively, and more easily for you, I turned off the code which hides the edits so you can recover the edits yourself. Let me know when you are done so I can turn back on the revision deletion code. ]] 00:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Issue Regarding Khawaspur Page ==
	Hi Sphilbrick. No frills - just a quiet ‘’all the best’’ to you for 2015 and I hope you’ll continue to be around on Misplaced Pages for a long time to come.--] (]) 12:45, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
	:Thanks. I've been away for a few days, trying to dig out form under, but here for the long haul.--]] 15:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

			Hii @] , Thanks for letting me about my mistakes regarding Copyright issue. i should repharse it on my own words. i will surely keep in mind for further editing in future.
	== Question about Draft:Calin Rovinescu Page Deletion ==
			Apart from this , This ] page is totally mistaken to Pakistan which is totally wrong. there is nothing like khawaspur village or ] in Pakistan. Also there is no any citation in page that support it a village in Pakistan. Only one citation is there which say it's in India.
			Also i checked all contribution history also , editors also claim that this page has many mistakes.
			So allow me to do a revision of this whole page. i surely will provide a reputable citation for it. I will again keep in mind about copyright issues matter.

			Much Regards ] (]) 20:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	Hello,
	This is a friendly follow-up on a page I submitted for review that was deleted (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/media/bio/Rovinescu.html). Full disclosure, I work for Air Canada so I would like to avoid any conflict of interest by submitted an article for review. Two questions: 1. the page sited under G12 is an Air Canada page. Do you require a special permission to use this page? 2. May I have advise on what could be changed in the draft to avoid duplicating G12 again?

			:Thanks for replying. ] (]) 20:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
	Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Calin_Rovinescu
			:Go for it. I agree, it seems clear it is in India, so a complete overhaul is warranted. ]] 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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			== Mischgerät (V-2 guidance computer) Copyright Reversion ==
	:Hi. Thanks for participating in the . I really appreciate it. One thing: A new photo has been uploaded and added to the discussion. I hope I'm not bothering you by asking if you would mind indicating whether this changes your viewpoint, or whether it remains unchanged? Thank you very much. ] (]) 12:49, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

			For the article ] at URL "https://en.wikipedia.org/Mischgerät_(V-2_guidance_computer)":
	== Question about GamerGate Arbcom ==

			On 20:14, 7 January 2025, you had noted "Copyright issue re https://engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/49950/is-there-a-schematic-of-hoeltzers-mischger%c3%a4t-v2-a4-electronic-guidance-computer/50286"
	This case is long and complicated, and looking at all the statements and evidence posts this is an unenviable possition to be in. Which makes this question that much more awkward: Though the time to submit evidence has obviously already elapsed, could evidence that couldn't possibly have been submitted at the time because it was only known to be applicable after the fact?

			First off, my bad, in that I 1) was using the Misplaced Pages entry as a text editor for the draft, rather than my sandbox, and 2) didn't promptly add cites.
	My example would be the fact that it was only this week that the NorthBySouthBaranof admitted that he was the previous Misplaced Pages users FCYTravis and Polarscribe, and he was previously rebuked by admins on Misplaced Pages for edit warring, abuse of admin tools, article ownership, uncivil bahior, and sockpuppeting, and this could give important context to his actions in this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard/Archive_25#Resysopping

			I'm the author for the referenced StackExchange question and accepted answer. As I noted on that platform, I machine translated and lightly edited some German language passages from the document "Das Gerät A4 Baureihe B Gerätbeschreibung", downloaded originally from http://www.aggregat4.de/pdf/Gerätebeschreibung_A4.pdf, but since then from https://archive.org/download/technicaldescriptionA4/Gerätebeschreibung_A4_text.pdf
	I don't know who is available in what timeframe, so hopefully one of you guys is available to get back to me soon.

			Based on my understanding of German copyright law I've gathered within Misplaced Pages regarding Public Domain material, I believe the material in the source PDF is PD in both Germany and the US, based on a lack of a named author, and that it was published a few days short of 80 years ago.
	Thank you for your time. ] (]) 02:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

			While the very lightly edited machine translation was adequate for my purposes on StackExchange, it needs a complete rewrite in my own words for easier comprehension on Misplaced Pages, which was what I was in the midst of.
	== Outing/Gamergate issue. ==

			Was the copyright issue due to similarity with the StackExchange entry, or status of the source document? If the former, it would be helpful - but not critical - to retrieve my draft of the "Operation" section of the "Mischgerät" article.
	Hello, Sphilbrick. I was going to ask both you and ] about a comment made on a RfC, but I have found out that Ks0stm is ill at the moment. So, I would like to request that if you do not wish or cannot respond to this that, if you are able, if you could redirect me to an user who might be able. ] and here is the revelant portion of the quote with my emphasis added: {{tq\|(...) Both are things where there will, of course, often be doubtful cases where the connection is not safe enough to justify action, but there is no reason to think it categorically impossible to reach a reasonable degree of certainty in some. We all know that ''there is at least one case in connection with the recent Gamergate fracas where it's plain obvious to everybody with half a brain that editor "L." on Misplaced Pages is the same person as participant "L." in a certain troll forum; I, for one, will not be silenced from speaking out'' about this obvious fact, whenever I choose to.}} I was wondering if the user could be warned not to imply a connection that is not proven. (I will note here that the RfC also has tones of the Gamergate issue.) --] (]) 01:24, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

			If the latter, I'd appreciate guidance on how best to "adjudicate" what would apparently be differing opinions on whether I'm working with PD material or not. ] (]) 23:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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	Hi. I created the page Burns, Texas and I noticed that you deleted a page with that title before due to copyright. I revised the page so it did not infringe copyright--] (]) 21:02, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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			:I didn't notice that it was that old which would make it PD. I believe SR copyright notice on the page but that might not have applied to the material in question.
	Letting you known as gamergate case clerk: There's a lot of churn on ], might want to keep an eye on it. <small>]</small> 01:35, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
			:I see that you've had a number of consecutive edits and have edited after I did the reversion so it's not perfectly clear how best to proceed.
			:The simplest approach (admittedly for me) is for me to say I'm sorry I missed the underlying material was PD, and let you recover as best you can. Alternatively I can undo my reversion but I think that will mess up edits you've made subsequent to my reversion. ]] 23:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
			::In anticipation that reversion would make a mess, I've backed up my current work off-line. If you're willing to undo the revision, I'll copy that to an off-line source and paste the current work back in. ] (]) 00:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::I've restored it to the version before my reversion. ]] 12:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:Reviewing other copyright pleas on this page, I now realize I should have been drafting articles off-line from the get-go, rather than piling up my references and just jumping in. ] (]) 00:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			::I applaud you for your initiative to read other examples of editors involved in copyright issues.
			::I agree that working off-line is considered a best practice, but we also have a guideline urging you to ]
			::Don't feel that you have to do all of your work off-line. Ideally, after any edit, the article should stand on its own. In the early years of Misplaced Pages some people used to put up "under construction" templates to indicate that an article was in the process of transformation but that practice is less common today. ]] 13:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
			:::No worries. I'll work to make sure an edit will stand on its own and be cited before leaving it for the night, unlike the revision under discussion! :) ] (]) 14:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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I have reintroduced these elements onto the page. I will leave mission/vision absent.

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It's a joy to see your username back on the CopyPatrol list! DanCherek (talk) 04:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! S Philbrick (Talk) 12:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:2010 Albert Lea tornado

Just to let you know, the "all-caps" material was from the National Weather Service (see source linked at bottom), I was rewriting it, since an exact copy of the NWS isn't very encyclopedic. Source is in the public domain, as well. :) E_F 14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I am aware that the material comes from NOAA which is public domain, but it still needs to be attributed, and unless there is a very good reason , all-caps isn't acceptable. S Philbrick (Talk) 15:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, that's just how they write (see the source). I guess I should have cited it, but I don't have a tool that just "de-caps" everything. Anyways, that's off the point. Since the device I write with is too smll to comfortably do the "double-window" thing with, I just paste the PD material (whether it's caps or not) into the draft, rewrite it, and then delete it. E_F 15:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft: Daniel P. McCoy

You deleted my draft for Albany County Executive Daniel P. McCoy's page due to "Copyright Infringement" can you please explain the error so I can remedy it? I am new to Misplaced Pages so I understand that I may have formatted it wrong. However, please be aware that I am a representative of his office and have permission to use his official bio and photos from our website. Kevin.albany (talk) 14:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

It is not a question of format.

The issue is that this page: Dan McCoy bio is fully copyrighted unless acceptably licensed for use in Misplaced Pages.

You almost certainly other person you claim to be but we don't know that officially, and we can't take you word for it.

There is a process for providing a license for that site so that it can be used by Misplaced Pages.

There is a link:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/Commons:Email_templates

See WP:COI

For going that route, please be aware that if you are a representative of his office then you have a conflict of interest issue and should not be editing a page about him.

Sorry for the bureaucracy but it's necessary.

Here's a link to a page specifically designed for new editors to ask questions. Misplaced Pages:Teahouse

I urge you to post there, explain your position relative to Daniel McCoy, and I am fairly certain you will get advice that discourages you from writing such an article. That's without even addressing the question of copyright. S Philbrick (Talk) 15:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Tom D. O'Malley - draft versus sanbox

Hello Sphilbrick - I have a quick question regarding the best location on wiki to develop draft articles.

Background: I am developing what will be a very comprehensive article on Tom O'Malley (the founder of the modern independent refining industry). I grabbed parts of a relatively weak (and 25-year-old stale article from Encyclopedia.com) as a starting framework. My article will be 5-10x as long as the starting point and probably have >100 references. However, while it was sitting in draft mode (for literally minutes) without being submitted under AfC, and without its citations, a bot picked up the similarity with encyclopedia.com (which surprised me given that it was a draft as patrolling drafts seems a bit odd). I then cut the text out and put it into my sandbox - leaving the draft space empty but did not delete the draft shell as I plan to repopulate when the article is more mature.

The sandbox does not appear to be bot-patrolled (please disabuse me if this is wrong).

I have run into similar issues when I bring in a large new article from MS Word all at once and save before the citations have been completed (in draft mode). Should all of this work be done in the sandbox versus the draft space? This seems a bit counterintuitive to me. thank you

here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Tom_D._O%27Malley

Refineryguycanada (talk) 18:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I believe the sandbox is patrolled. It must be as I occasionally see it pop up in the notifications of potential copyright issues. Neither the draft space nor the sandbox are acceptable places for starting articles if your approach is to bring in copyrighted information and then clean it up. While I personally think that's never a desirable editing approach, I get that sometimes people do it that way. If you choose to work that way, it must be done off-line.

Material in draft space and in sandbox space doesn't have to fully meet final editing standards such as formatting or even complete citations, but it can never ever have copyrighted text other than the obvious exceptions (short excerpts as block quotes or within quotation marks) S Philbrick (Talk) 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok - thanks for the heads up. Refineryguycanada (talk) 17:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Deleted without courtesy warning.

Please revert the deletion of draft article at Draft:The-Corruption-of-economics and let me delete the the copyright offensive material. This is going to be my first article.

I did not realise that a public description of a book on Amazon is subject to copyright.

Thank you,

Janos Abel Janosabel (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

With rare exceptions, everything you add to an article should be in your own words. Some of the exceptions include short quotes with the material is in a block quote or marked with quote marks and attributed. Other exceptions include public domain text which is properly attributed. My guess is some people are confused with the term public domain and think that things found in public websites constitute public domain. If that's your assumption it is quite incorrect.

My recollection is that there was not much of value beyond the copyrighted material in the draft article I deleted so I'm declining to restore it. S Philbrick (Talk) 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation.

So is there no way to write an article now for that book?

Harsh regime to enforce. I was not allowed to correct an error due to misunderstanding or insufficient competency.

There is plenty of value and noteworthiness I can put into that article during the weeks to come. Janosabel (talk) 23:03, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I decided to take a second look on the chance that I misremembered the contents. Here's the entire contents of the article excluding the copyrighted portion:

A book by Fred Harrison and Mason Gaffney edition published in 2023 by Shepheard-Walwyn. S Philbrick (Talk) 00:11, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this second chance. Teaches me to be more careful about rules. Janosabel (talk) 17:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requesting undeletion

Dear Sir, I noticed that my recent article Draft:Krishna Hari Pushkar was speedily deleted due to copyright infringement. I sincerely apologize for this oversight and kindly request you to consider restoring the article temporarily, so I can remove the infringing content and improve it in compliance with Misplaced Pages's guidelines.

Thank you for your time and understanding. Gauravs 51 (talk) 14:27, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry that's not an option. I can and did email you the contents although it was unbelievably painful due to the convoluted history of this article S Philbrick (Talk) 14:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Sir, can I rewrite and rectify my mistakes ? @Sphilbrick Gauravs 51 (talk) 14:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Sure. I sent the contents of the deleted draft to you by email. S Philbrick (Talk) 15:29, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Many Thanks !! Gauravs 51 (talk) 15:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Lake Pape

As a new wikipedia editor, I am guaranteed to mess up, and I would appreciate some advise on adding information and sources to stubs or any article as I am not sure what is against the copyright rules. On the Lake Pape article you reversed my additions but I am not sure why it broke copyright rules, thank you for understanding my good intentions. BigBlobfish (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for asking so politely. I'm sure it can be jarring when you're trying to make good faith improvements to an article and find they been removed.

Look at your first sentence of the biodiversity section:

Lake Pape is rich in organic matter and is classed as a mesotrophic lake on the Trophic state index.

Now check out this site and look at the first sentence of the biodiversity section:

Lake Pape is rich in organic matter - a mesotrophic lake.

That sentence is a close call, and had it simply been that sentence I would've let it go. However, look at your second sentence:

There are sharp-leaf plants growing on the shores and bays of the lake.

And now the second sentence of the site:

There are sharp-leaf plants growing on the shores and bays of the lake.

There are several additional sentences, some identical, some close paraphrases.

The next issue is whether the source issue is acceptably licensed so that it could be used (with attribution course)

Many sites include a footer with the copyright status of the site. In this case, there is no such indication at the bottom of the page, nor is there at the bottom of the main page. Occasionally, I will run across editors who think the absence of a copyright statement means there is no copyright. While that was true many decades ago, the law was changed and the default assumption is that material is subject to full copyright even if there is no particular notice. There are some exceptions such as material created by US federal employees in the course of their employment, but that doesn't apply here.

The site appears to be associated with the country Latvia. While I have not memorized the copyright laws in every country, many countries are part of the Berne Convention. Latvia has been a signatory since 1995. See also Latvia The Berne Convention states that material is automatically subject to copyright as opposed to requiring a specific indication. (This is a casual summary. ) If you have information suggesting that this site is public domain, please let me know. S Philbrick (Talk) 13:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for such a kind response. But does this mean I can't use the information from the site or does this mean I just have to write in my own words? BigBlobfish (talk) 13:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

You can use the information, in fact you should use it as a reference, but you should write it in your own words. I urge you to read close paraphrase. Some editors were under the impression that as long as they change a few words here and there will not be an exact copy which is correct, the key issue is whether it's essentially the same thing. This can be tricky as your goal is to make the same point. Good practice is not to copy a sentence and then try to change it, but read the whole site and ideally some other relevant site, and then write your own summary. When done, take a look at the original source on the chance your memory is so good you managed to largely reproduce it. Good luck, and thanks for your interest in contributing. S Philbrick (Talk) 13:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the assistance and support! BigBlobfish (talk) 13:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

What's the point of contributing?

I just edited Bedinvetmab to add the MOA which is missing. I pulled the info from the manufacturers prescribing information - i.e. the primary source and my edit was removed because of copyright violations? This is my first contribution to Misplaced Pages and based on this experience likely my last. Diegoarey (talk) 17:58, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

I hope you will reconsider.

The early edits of many new contributors arise because they read an article, realize some important information is missing, go out and find that information and add that information copying and pasting from the original source, not realizing that this is almost always a violation of copyright policy.

Contributing to Misplaced Pages is a little bit harder than some realize, because it means you have to write the information in your own words (with some rare exceptions such as identified short quotes, and material from some public domain sources.)

We want material added to Misplaced Pages articles to be reliable and while it might seem obvious that the words written by the actual manufacturer would be the best source, that's not necessarily the case. Manufacturers have a potential conflict of interest. One hopes they write factually and unbiased but one can't be sure, which is why we like to support additions to articles with citations to reliable sources that is places that have a reputation for being unbiased.

You asked about the point of contributing. The point is that when done correctly, Misplaced Pages can serve as a source of information which is as free of bias is we as a community can manage. All done by volunteers and free to the public. S Philbrick (Talk) 18:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense on one hand, on the other hand, if the point is to fact check because "while it might seem obvious that the words written by the actual manufacturer would be the best source, that's not necessarily the case. Manufacturers have a potential conflict of interest." then I would have expected the community to edit what I wrote if it's factually incorrect rather than delete it. Diegoarey (talk) 18:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

There are two issues which relate to two of the five pillers of Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages:Five_pillars

The second pillar:

Misplaced Pages is written from a neutral point of view

Is why we have concerns about accepting material from the manufacturer without question. That's why we push for "citations based on reliable sources" in sources with a conflict of interest which aren't viewed as reliable. That doesn't totally exclude the use of information from a manufacturer. For example a statement such as "according to the manufacturer, lorem Ipsum..." Might be acceptable if it's clear that the words are not in Misplaced Pages's voice and should be taken with a grain of salt.

The second issue relates to the third pillar:

Misplaced Pages is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute

That means we need to "respect copyright laws and never plagiarize from any sources". S Philbrick (Talk) 18:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Copy of an article

could you provide a copie of the article Reign of Righteousness Kharavela Deva (talk) 13:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Sent to your email address S Philbrick (Talk) 13:50, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Not visible. Regards,Ved Sharma (talk) 11:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

What does that mean? S Philbrick (Talk) 13:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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--Lajmmoore (talk 17:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Your revert at Kasaya_(clothing)

Your revert reinstated numerous errors. Why?

I left you a message there on Talk, where your reasons for your unsupported revert should have been noted.
I provided a reliable source for the simplest corrections of the original history of Buddhist robes, when the numerous errors were completely unsourced, those multiple errors your revert reinstated - on New Year's Eve, of all inappropriate times.

Metokpema (talk) 09:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I responded at your talk page. S Philbrick (Talk) 14:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Courland Uprising

Hello. You deleted my edits on Draft:Courland Uprising, destroying my hard work. I would like to politely ask you to send me text you deleted, so I can rewritte it and get back to working on my article :) I know that your bot flagged it as "copywritted", but it was just a quote from a newspaper, I pasted so I could use its informations in the article. It obviously wasn't intended to be in the final version. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 22:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm puzzled that you say it was "just a quote from a newspaper". That's exactly what is meant by violation of copyright rules. It is permitted to use short quotes if enclosed in quotation marks or set off as a block quote and if they are properly sourced neither of which apply here.

You seem to be under the impression that it's okay to have copyrighted material in a draft. It is not. It's never a good practice to start with copyrighted material and massage it but if you must, do it in an off-line editor.

My reversion may have picked up otherwise acceptable edits because it's standard practice to revert all consecutive edits by the same editor. I can send you the material but you need to turn on your email option in your preferences so that I can send it to you via email. Alternatively, and more easily for you, I turned off the code which hides the edits so you can recover the edits yourself. Let me know when you are done so I can turn back on the revision deletion code. S Philbrick (Talk) 00:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Issue Regarding Khawaspur Page

Hii @Sphilbrick , Thanks for letting me about my mistakes regarding Copyright issue. i should repharse it on my own words. i will surely keep in mind for further editing in future. Apart from this , This khawaspur page is totally mistaken to Pakistan which is totally wrong. there is nothing like khawaspur village or Ropur district in Pakistan. Also there is no any citation in page that support it a village in Pakistan. Only one citation is there which say it's in India. Also i checked all contribution history also , editors also claim that this page has many mistakes. So allow me to do a revision of this whole page. i surely will provide a reputable citation for it. I will again keep in mind about copyright issues matter.

Much Regards Callmehelper (talk) 20:19, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Callmehelper (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Go for it. I agree, it seems clear it is in India, so a complete overhaul is warranted. S Philbrick (Talk) 22:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:47, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Mischgerät (V-2 guidance computer) Copyright Reversion

For the article Mischgerät (V-2 guidance computer) at URL "https://en.wikipedia.org/Mischgerät_(V-2_guidance_computer)":

On 20:14, 7 January 2025, you had noted "Copyright issue re https://engineering.stackexchange.com/questions/49950/is-there-a-schematic-of-hoeltzers-mischger%c3%a4t-v2-a4-electronic-guidance-computer/50286"

First off, my bad, in that I 1) was using the Misplaced Pages entry as a text editor for the draft, rather than my sandbox, and 2) didn't promptly add cites.

I'm the author for the referenced StackExchange question and accepted answer. As I noted on that platform, I machine translated and lightly edited some German language passages from the document "Das Gerät A4 Baureihe B Gerätbeschreibung", downloaded originally from http://www.aggregat4.de/pdf/Gerätebeschreibung_A4.pdf, but since then from https://archive.org/download/technicaldescriptionA4/Gerätebeschreibung_A4_text.pdf

Based on my understanding of German copyright law I've gathered within Misplaced Pages regarding Public Domain material, I believe the material in the source PDF is PD in both Germany and the US, based on a lack of a named author, and that it was published a few days short of 80 years ago.

While the very lightly edited machine translation was adequate for my purposes on StackExchange, it needs a complete rewrite in my own words for easier comprehension on Misplaced Pages, which was what I was in the midst of.

Was the copyright issue due to similarity with the StackExchange entry, or status of the source document? If the former, it would be helpful - but not critical - to retrieve my draft of the "Operation" section of the "Mischgerät" article.

If the latter, I'd appreciate guidance on how best to "adjudicate" what would apparently be differing opinions on whether I'm working with PD material or not. Cmholm (talk) 23:30, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

I didn't notice that it was that old which would make it PD. I believe SR copyright notice on the page but that might not have applied to the material in question.

I see that you've had a number of consecutive edits and have edited after I did the reversion so it's not perfectly clear how best to proceed.

The simplest approach (admittedly for me) is for me to say I'm sorry I missed the underlying material was PD, and let you recover as best you can. Alternatively I can undo my reversion but I think that will mess up edits you've made subsequent to my reversion. S Philbrick (Talk) 23:54, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

In anticipation that reversion would make a mess, I've backed up my current work off-line. If you're willing to undo the revision, I'll copy that to an off-line source and paste the current work back in. Cmholm (talk) 00:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I've restored it to the version before my reversion. S Philbrick (Talk) 12:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Reviewing other copyright pleas on this page, I now realize I should have been drafting articles off-line from the get-go, rather than piling up my references and just jumping in. Cmholm (talk) 00:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I applaud you for your initiative to read other examples of editors involved in copyright issues.

I agree that working off-line is considered a best practice, but we also have a guideline urging you to Misplaced Pages:Bold

Don't feel that you have to do all of your work off-line. Ideally, after any edit, the article should stand on its own. In the early years of Misplaced Pages some people used to put up "under construction" templates to indicate that an article was in the process of transformation but that practice is less common today. S Philbrick (Talk) 13:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

No worries. I'll work to make sure an edit will stand on its own and be cited before leaving it for the night, unlike the revision under discussion! :) Cmholm (talk) 14:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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