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Gerald Malcolm Durrell (7 January 1925 – 30 January 1995) was a British naturalist, writer, and zookeeper. He was born in ], and moved to England in 1928. In 1935 the family moved to ], but the outbreak of World War II forced them to return to the UK. In the 1940s he began animal-collecting trips for zoos, and published well-received accounts of these, starting with '']''. His account of the years in Corfu, titled '']'', appeared in 1956 and became a bestseller. He founded the ] in 1959, intending it to be an institution for the study of animals and for captive breeding. Durrell and his second wife, ], made several television documentaries in the 1980s, including ''Durrell in Russia'' and ''Ark on the Move''. They co-authored ''The Amateur Naturalist'', which became his most successful book, selling well over a million copies. He was diagnosed with ] and ] in 1994, and died the following January. He was cremated, and his ashes were buried at Jersey Zoo. | |||
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== Commas after years == | |||
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To say "Then you are wrong" to someone simply because they disagree with you, especially when they are a professional in the industry, is incredibly arrogant. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them wrong unless you are under the delusion that your are infallible. You are also dismissing the entire editorial and proofreading team of eight people with whom I work, all of whom agree that the usage of commas in the way discussed is correct in British English. Moreover, as someone who has lived in the UK and used British English for 62 years, I am not going to take such arrogance from someone who doesn't even use British English on their own profile page. I suggest you learn a little humility and drop the arrogance. | |||
Are you certain that "He intended to join the Royal Air Force ..."? Other sources (Spoto 2001, pp. 147–148) have him attempting to join the ], following in the wake of ]. The flying lessons he undertook at Santa Monica, California were in float planes. He was a rotten pilot and after 200 hours, was no better than a neophyte, ending his training with a crash. Vivien Leigh commented that he was the just as reckless in the air as he was on the ground, driving sports cars. ] (]) 19:17, 22 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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:I say! What an outstanding example of ignorance of the King's English! I suggest that Neilinabbey should consult the current edition of '']'', p. 249, from which in this context: {{green|Some writers put a comma here as a matter of course. But others do it only if a comma is needed to emphasise a contrast or to prevent the reader from going off on the wrong scent, as in: A few days after, the Minister of Labour promised that a dossier of the strike would be published/Two miles on, the road is worse. On the principle that stops should not be used unless they are needed, this discrimination is to be commended.}} See also all four editions of ]. I was going to add that ] could be excused as a non-native speaker of English, but I see from his/her talk page that that isn't so, rather sadly. Usually one can blame the superstitions of dim American beaks for such error, but that excuse doesn't apply here. I hope we can work together with less friction for an improved Misplaced Pages. '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">]]</span>''' 18:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Your source is ...? See and ] (]) 20:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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:Neilinabbey, Next time you want to post arrogant nonsense to someone's talk page, make sure you know what you're talking about. such commas are "required", I will repeat that you are wrong. As a self-trumpeted "professional in the industry", you really should know that they are not "required" by any measure. Maybe you should consider that just maybe ''you'' are the one "under the delusion that your are infallible". In the meantime I suggest you learn a little humility and drop the arrogance. - ] (]) 07:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | ||
::::Again, what source? See Beckett 2005, p. 147, Darlington 1968, pp. 56, 58. AFAIK, he always intended to go into the Fleet Air Arm, but then again, your source may have more information. ] (]) 20:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::Coleman. As above, Spoto is the least reliable of the sources. - ] (]) 20:35, 22 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
{{OD}} Well, Coleman has the merit of writing an "authorised biography" and has at least two mentions of Olivier's intention to join the Royal Air Force, although all of his training was preparing him for a role as a pilot in the Fleet Air Arm, which likely came after he had decided to follow in the footsteps of his friend, who was also a disaster as a pilot. After two years, Olivier did resign his commission as a Lieutenant-Commander in the Fleet Air Arm. I did want to check on this as it was mentioned in the article on ]. ] (]) 20:58, 22 January 2015 (UTC){{You've got mail}} ] (]) 16:11, 23 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Hello friend, please review ]. And thank you very much for your help! ''']''' 10:18, 23 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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::Ok. No problem. Do you think that the List will pass now? Any further advices. ''']''' 10:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
I am not edit warring. The change you have objected to was obviously made in good faith - as all edits to the page *clearly* have been. Rather than summarily reverting it without explanation the appropriate thing to have done would have been to cite the MOS establishing grounds for the reversion. That would have been the end of it. I may think that the MOS is stupid here (and do), and including the name in the link is utterly unnecessary, but defer to the MOS (assuming it has been appropriately cited). It's all part of WP:Civility. | |||
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In that regard, thank you for providing the clarification in your second revert, which indeed obviates any nascent edit conflict. Yours, ] (]) 20:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
How are you? I value your Wikipedian opinion, so I would like to ask if you think that I have been too detailed on this article please: ]. — ] 19:42, 26 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
:You made a bold edit which was reverted: you then re-reverted. That's very much the definition of edit warring, so it's difficult for you to say you weren't. No-one has said your edits are not in good faith, but there were some MOS fails, which is why - in my ''first'' revert - I pointed out it was in breach of the MOS. The usual practice is to go to the talk page and discuss (per ]), rather than start an edit war. - ] (]) 20:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
::Moving a town name out of a link is not a "bold edit". It was a common sense edit that evidently is (inexplicably) at odds with the MOS. I did not know that. And, in point of fact, did not see that you had cited the MOS in your initial revert: all I noticed was the tag "manual revert". My error. Things would have ended there if not for that oversight. Thank you for pointing this out. And restoring a good faith edit is not "edit warring". Persisting in it in the face of countervailing information is, or certainly may be. I did not do that once I understood the "standing" for the revert, albeit belatedly. I have simply complied. Yours, ] (]) 21:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
:::'{{tq|And restoring a good faith edit is not "edit warring"}}': '''Yes. It. Is.'''. It doesn't matter if it's made in good faith, or whether you were right or wrong, it is edit warring. Please read ] to understand what it actually is. (The sub-section on the page about what is not edit warring is ]: good faith or thinking you are right is not one of the exemptions). - ] (]) 21:24, 8 January 2025 (UTC) |
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Durrell blurb
Here's a draft; if I remember the rules rightly a few more words need to be cut? If so please cut at your discretion.
Gerald Malcolm Durrell (7 January 1925 – 30 January 1995) was a British naturalist, writer, and zookeeper. He was born in British India, and moved to England in 1928. In 1935 the family moved to Corfu, but the outbreak of World War II forced them to return to the UK. In the 1940s he began animal-collecting trips for zoos, and published well-received accounts of these, starting with The Overloaded Ark. His account of the years in Corfu, titled My Family and Other Animals, appeared in 1956 and became a bestseller. He founded the Jersey Zoo in 1959, intending it to be an institution for the study of animals and for captive breeding. Durrell and his second wife, Lee McGeorge, made several television documentaries in the 1980s, including Durrell in Russia and Ark on the Move. They co-authored The Amateur Naturalist, which became his most successful book, selling well over a million copies. He was diagnosed with liver cancer and cirrhosis in 1994, and died the following January. He was cremated, and his ashes were buried at Jersey Zoo.
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- Thanks Mike. The blurb is at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/January 7, 2025 should you wish to check (it's 95 per cent the same as yours, but I've trimmed off part of the end to get it within the word count). Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 08:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- That looks great. Thanks for doing this on such short notice, and sorry to have booted one of your own articles! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Not a problem at all. And the fact it was one of 'mine' makes it easier - at least I don't have to try and persuade someone else and have them get upset about it! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- That looks great. Thanks for doing this on such short notice, and sorry to have booted one of your own articles! Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Commas after years
To say "Then you are wrong" to someone simply because they disagree with you, especially when they are a professional in the industry, is incredibly arrogant. Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them wrong unless you are under the delusion that your are infallible. You are also dismissing the entire editorial and proofreading team of eight people with whom I work, all of whom agree that the usage of commas in the way discussed is correct in British English. Moreover, as someone who has lived in the UK and used British English for 62 years, I am not going to take such arrogance from someone who doesn't even use British English on their own profile page. I suggest you learn a little humility and drop the arrogance. Neilinabbey (talk) 15:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- I say! What an outstanding example of ignorance of the King's English! I suggest that Neilinabbey should consult the current edition of Plain Words, p. 249, from which in this context: Some writers put a comma here as a matter of course. But others do it only if a comma is needed to emphasise a contrast or to prevent the reader from going off on the wrong scent, as in: A few days after, the Minister of Labour promised that a dossier of the strike would be published/Two miles on, the road is worse. On the principle that stops should not be used unless they are needed, this discrimination is to be commended. See also all four editions of Fowler. I was going to add that User:Neilinabbey could be excused as a non-native speaker of English, but I see from his/her talk page that that isn't so, rather sadly. Usually one can blame the superstitions of dim American beaks for such error, but that excuse doesn't apply here. I hope we can work together with less friction for an improved Misplaced Pages. Tim riley talk 18:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- Neilinabbey, Next time you want to post arrogant nonsense to someone's talk page, make sure you know what you're talking about. When you claim such commas are "required", I will repeat that you are wrong. As a self-trumpeted "professional in the industry", you really should know that they are not "required" by any measure. Maybe you should consider that just maybe you are the one "under the delusion that your are infallible". In the meantime I suggest you learn a little humility and drop the arrogance. - SchroCat (talk) 07:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Wodehouse page edits
I am not edit warring. The change you have objected to was obviously made in good faith - as all edits to the page *clearly* have been. Rather than summarily reverting it without explanation the appropriate thing to have done would have been to cite the MOS establishing grounds for the reversion. That would have been the end of it. I may think that the MOS is stupid here (and do), and including the name in the link is utterly unnecessary, but defer to the MOS (assuming it has been appropriately cited). It's all part of WP:Civility.
In that regard, thank you for providing the clarification in your second revert, which indeed obviates any nascent edit conflict. Yours, 2601:196:180:DC0:D58C:FCE0:52AA:9D31 (talk) 20:25, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- You made a bold edit which was reverted: you then re-reverted. That's very much the definition of edit warring, so it's difficult for you to say you weren't. No-one has said your edits are not in good faith, but there were some MOS fails, which is why - in my first revert - I pointed out it was in breach of the MOS. The usual practice is to go to the talk page and discuss (per WP:BRD), rather than start an edit war. - SchroCat (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
- Moving a town name out of a link is not a "bold edit". It was a common sense edit that evidently is (inexplicably) at odds with the MOS. I did not know that. And, in point of fact, did not see that you had cited the MOS in your initial revert: all I noticed was the tag "manual revert". My error. Things would have ended there if not for that oversight. Thank you for pointing this out. And restoring a good faith edit is not "edit warring". Persisting in it in the face of countervailing information is, or certainly may be. I did not do that once I understood the "standing" for the revert, albeit belatedly. I have simply complied. Yours, 2601:196:180:DC0:C82B:3819:C2B3:EE29 (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
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And restoring a good faith edit is not "edit warring"
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- Moving a town name out of a link is not a "bold edit". It was a common sense edit that evidently is (inexplicably) at odds with the MOS. I did not know that. And, in point of fact, did not see that you had cited the MOS in your initial revert: all I noticed was the tag "manual revert". My error. Things would have ended there if not for that oversight. Thank you for pointing this out. And restoring a good faith edit is not "edit warring". Persisting in it in the face of countervailing information is, or certainly may be. I did not do that once I understood the "standing" for the revert, albeit belatedly. I have simply complied. Yours, 2601:196:180:DC0:C82B:3819:C2B3:EE29 (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)