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Hi - let me know what you all think - how detailed should this be? Its main purpose is to comment on the phenomenon of quantum mysticism as a whole, rather than the scattered pages on Capra, What the Bleep, and Quantum Consciousness etc etc. ] 09:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC) |
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Its a good start. Good idea for an article. --] 22:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC) |
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| author = Stephen Harrison |
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| title = How Quantum Theories Took Over TikTok |
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| url = https://slate.com/technology/2022/10/quantum-theories-nobel-prize-tiktok.html |
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| date = 20 October 2022 |
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| quote = Its article on “Quantum mysticism” explains that nonbelievers with expert knowledge consider it a “pseudoscience” and also references some pejorative terms such as "quantum quackery" and "quantum woo." That’s because respectable scientific journals—the kind of sources that are required for Misplaced Pages’s science articles—have not embraced these fringe interpretations. |
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== Weird phrasing and sources == |
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Renaming to either ''Quantum philosphy'' or ''Quantum metaphysics''. The current title is stupid and makes little sence. ] |
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===Quantum philosphy=== previous article was removed maybe it can be incorporated into a new one: ] |
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Whereas the philosophy of quantum mechanics explores what exactly is quantum mechanics talking about? ] / quantum metaphysics, on the other hand, takes thing much further and muses on what these possibilities and interpretations have on the broader “Who are we? What are we?” questions. It is a relatively new discipline of metaphysics made popular by the philosophical implication and musings of quantum mechanics. The recent box office success of ] has also significantly increase popularity in quantum metaphysical ideas. |
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A lot of this page feels like it poorly conforms to Misplaced Pages's general style and flow: clunky language, quotes strangely embedded in lines (generally a failure to paraphrase sources), etc. I'm thinking I may redo much of this page. ] (]) 02:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC) |
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====Key Questions:==== |
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* What does it mean if we truly exist in a Brane Universe? |
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* Where is God in the quantum mechanical universe? |
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* What's reality in quantum mechanics? |
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* Who/what is quantum mechanical God? |
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:Totally agree, this is a poor article. I'm not a physicist but have an interest in the subject, and agree that while it does tend to attract fringe ideas it is still a legitimate subject area and one with philosophical interest. ] (]) 21:36, 11 November 2023 (UTC) |
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====Authors, Contributors, Philosophers==== |
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Agreed with what the two above me have said, I have seen this article a few times, and each time it seems to have gotten worse. This is a legitimate topic of philosophical debate over what effect quantum mechanics has over the mind. It seems to be too one sided, and does not acknowledge that there are people with legitimate arguments on both sides. There are people like Henry Stapp and Fred Alan Wolf whose opinions on the topic are largely glossed over. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Steven Hawking, Brian Greene, William Tiller, Amit Goswami, John Hagelin, Fred Alan Wolf, Dr. David Albert, Dean Radin, Stuart Hameroff, Jeffrey Satinover, Andrew B. Newberg, Daniel Monti,Joseph Dispenza, Candace Pert, Larry L Hench, Stanislav Grof |
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:I agree with you but I also think that it’s better to have an article referring to the actual philosophical and metaphysical questions regarding quantum mechanics article referring to the ways in which the language of quantum mechanics is used in an improper way. Nonetheless this article does need cleaning up; I’ll start with the grammar. ] (]) 17:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC) |
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* Philosophy of science |
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* Philosophy of physics |
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* Philosophy of quantum mechanics |
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* Philosophy of space and time |
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* Philosophy of thermal and statistical physics |
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====External Links and Related Material==== |
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* "Quantum Physics Quackery", Skeptical Inquirer, January 1997 (discusses book The Self-Aware Universe) |
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* PBS Nova The Elegant Universe |
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* Movie: What The Beep Do We Know? |
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* ] |
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== comment copied from Talk:Quantum pseudo-mysticism == |
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name of page changed from 'mysticism' to 'pseudo-mysticism', as per suggestion by user HOrizOn ] 20:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC) |
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== Moving/renaming this page == |
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Everyone: stop creating new pages by cutting and pasting the contents of this article. See ]. I'm putting it back under this title because it's the simplest way for me to resolve the current mess caused by these cut-and-paste moves. I don't really care ''what'' title it winds up under as long as (1) the people involved in editing it reach a consensus on what it should be (2) you don't get into move wars (renaming it over and over) (3) you don't do any more of these cut-and-paste moves. ] ] 23:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC) |
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: Okay. I think it's done. Feel free to edit. ] and ] both redirect to ]. All the talk pages redirect here. Once again, I'm not doing this because I particularly like or dislike the name "quantum metaphysics," but because the article history was under this name. If you want to move/rename the article, you might ask at ]. ] ] 23:29, 26 April 2006 (UTC) |
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==Requested move== |
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Quantum metaphysics → Quantum mysticism – {- ''Rationale'': the original article was changed from 'quantum mysticism' to 'quantum metaphysics' by user hOrIzOn, who finds the term 'mysticism' offensive to his 'quantum metaphysical' beliefs. After some debate, we compromised on 'pseudo-mysticism'. |
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:''Add *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''' followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ''<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> |
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===Discussion=== |
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What ''sources'' do you have that call this ''quantum mysticism''? What English speakers actually use is our chief test. ] 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC) |
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::Yeah, good question. Maybe it should be called Quantum flapdoodle? - this was mooted at one point, but I thought it placed too much emphasis on Murray Gell-Mann - now, I dunno. ] |
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Actually, now that I google the term, it pops up quite often, generally in reference to this social phenomenon - there's even an article by Margaret Wertheim on the topic, which I will include as a link in the article. Also, there's a secion in the Misplaced Pages article ] called 'Quantum mysticism', so it turns out there is quite a bit of precedent. ] 03:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:Fair enough. —]<font color="green">]</font>] ] 07:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC) |
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== Deletion notices on your page == |
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This page is retarded. First such a subject doesnt exist. ] |
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Delete ] |
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== What is it? == |
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Just came across this page, and I have to say that it doesn't actually say what quantum metaphysics/(pseudo-)mysticism is. At the least, it touches upon it, but we really could use a concise definition to make this more encyclopedic. ] 03:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Yeah, good point, thanks, I'll get on it ] 12:53, 9 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== The 'Quantum metaphysics' redirection == |
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* Removed redirection from the 'Quantum metaphysics' page to the 'Quantum pseudo-mysticism' page. |
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* Removal reverted by Adambrowne666, who said: "i don't agree, pseudo-account - please give your reasons before editing again" |
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The article 'quantum metaphysics' should not redirect to 'quantum pseudo-mysticism', that was the reason of my edit—I thought it said all that had to be said. Reasons are called for on your redirecting side, not mine. But here is my elaboration: 'quantum metaphysics' and 'quantum pseudo-mysticism' are not synonymous expressions; they are distinct topics, just as 'quantum mechanics' and 'quantum pseudo-science' are. Even if you think you have a case for one being an instance of the other, that warrants no redirects. |
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I for one was presented the 'Quantum pseudo-mysticism' article when following a link to 'quantum metaphysics', expecting... something —this *is* wikipedia— either on that part of quantum theory that makes assertions concerning the real itself, independent of our located perception of it; or else on that sub-genre of metaphysics— genre whose paradigmatic instances include Aristotle's and Parmenides' — inspired, compatible or otherwise related to quantum theory. Here is the first sentence of the text I was actually given to read: "Quantum mysticism is a term used by Margaret Wertheim and others to describe the metaphysical or New Age interpretation of quantum mechanics". |
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--] 18:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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ok, fair enough, well argued ] 22:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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why don't you have a go at writing the Quantum Metaphysics article? ] |
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== " <em>the metaphysical or New Age</em> interpretation of quantum of mechanics." == |
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Irrespective of what Margaret Wertheim or others describe by the term 'quantum mysticism', I hope people realize that such expression inside an encyclopedia is somewhere between humorous and embarrassing, depending on how seriously you take what this project claims to be. I would most certainly remove it, if I were a non-pseudo account. |
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--] 21:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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not quite sure what you're saying here - you're unclear in your statement why this article might be considered humorous or embarrassing - doesn't the fact that Quantum Mysticism is a real social phenomenon make this a legitimate article? ] 22:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== Article name == |
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Quantum mysticism redirects here. What's the deal? Are mystics insulted by association? Quantum mysticism is the name commonly used in the press and in common usage. Quantum Pseudo-mysticism is not in common usage. I advice a move to Quantum Mysticism. ] 12:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC) |
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I agree. There was a bit of a scuffle over the name, and this unsatisfactory compromise was reached. I'm going to request a name change soon ] 01:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== requested move == |
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Quantum Pseudo-mysticism → Quantum mysticism – ''Rationale'': the current title came about as a compromise after much discussion with user:HoRiZoN, but the latter title is now considered preferable because there is precedence ] ] 11:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
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===Discussion=== |
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Give it a day, and if no-one objects move it. If they don't then we utilise our linguistic powers to try and convince them. ] 12:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
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'''Move'''. Really, I would have thought that "pseudo-mysticism" is even more disparaging than "mysticism", it seems to be one chap's idiosyncracy that led to this in the first place. Quantum mysticism it is. ] 13:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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A lot of this page feels like it poorly conforms to Misplaced Pages's general style and flow: clunky language, quotes strangely embedded in lines (generally a failure to paraphrase sources), etc. I'm thinking I may redo much of this page. Kedra Bhaonne (talk) 02:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
Agreed with what the two above me have said, I have seen this article a few times, and each time it seems to have gotten worse. This is a legitimate topic of philosophical debate over what effect quantum mechanics has over the mind. It seems to be too one sided, and does not acknowledge that there are people with legitimate arguments on both sides. There are people like Henry Stapp and Fred Alan Wolf whose opinions on the topic are largely glossed over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.26.22 (talk) 07:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
