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Hi there, I'm so sorry to bug you but you reverted an edit that I made and I'm trying to figure out how I can get the edit to stick because it is factually inaccurate. I'm new here and have been googling around about it and just can't seem to find the right way to do it. Any advice is appreciated!
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Since I became an arbitrator, I am getting less involved in disputes at ANI etc so that if they come to ArbCom I don't have to remove myself from a case as being involved. Sorry about that. ] (]) 16:43, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
:Okay, i understand. Sorry if i have bothered you then, but i've been addressing you about this as you seem to be one of the few administrators who has made an effort to deal with this problem. Thanks for explaining. ] (]) 21:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


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Hi. I saw your ANI report, and I think it's well-written with good rationale. However, I can't write my opinion, because I didn't deal with that guy for several months. Because of that, I'm not familiar with his current activities and his sock puppeteer friend(s). Also, I reported him in the beginning of his edits and admins just blocked him for 24 hours. His edits are obviously disruptive (] is a good case, please see the revision history), and I don't know why admins ignore him easily. I can help you in the other ways if you're interested. You can give me a list of articles that you think they're targeted by disruptive actions. I'll watch them and I can submit relevant reports in the future. '''Please remember:''' You're the main editor who found these disruptive activities, so you should be an active user in Misplaced Pages to be able to solve this problem. In my experience, most POV-pushers won't stop their actions until admins either protect targeted articles or watch them. Your case needs admins' help/attention too, because we're regular editors and we're not able to deal with all of those problems, specially when ] happens. So what do you think? Any solution? --] (]) 12:48, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
:On the article ], i have created a list of articles that he tend to edit. If you would like to help i reccommend adding these articles to your watchlist. If you find anything suspicious you could update the long-term abuse article, file a report on ] and request administrator action. Thank your for your concern. ] (]) 12:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
::Okay, good work. I'll try to watch them (specially the vital/important ones). My suggestion: You can clean up and create socks-free/neutral revisions of those articles. It's not necessary to remove all of his edits if you think some of them are good (it depends on you to let them or not). I saw you did this on some of those articles. I know it's not easy, but it makes other editors' watch and patrolling work much easier if new socks/DUCKs return and try to restore socks' contributions. Also, your edit summaries are an important part, because detailed edit summaries are very useful in the diffs and searches. Regards. --] (]) 15:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


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:Okay {{u|LFaraone}}. I also noticed that the article had a substantial '''number''' of edits by others. But after looking at diffs from users that are not socks of {{User|Tirgil34}}, i reached the conclusion that the '''content''' of these edits were not substantial. Here are the diffs from non-Tirgil34 users. Regarding the other issue, it seemed logical to me that if entire articles created by socks are eligible for removal, then edits should apply as well. The ] section also mention edits at one point, so perhaps i misinterpreted. I'm not gonna argue here, just trying to explain. Regards. ] (]) 11:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


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I googled some IE/Central Asian/Turanist revisionists and pseudo-science topics and I find something that will interest you. This needs serious attention by admins. Tirgil34 is an active member of . His main user name/account is (just like Misplaced Pages, he has multiple accounts on there too). He refers/links to his WP edits/revisions on forum's posts/threads. It looks like that he and his friends cooperate to attack Misplaced Pages from there, because their posts are similar to disruptive edits on targeted articles. I think that forum is a basement for him and his meta-puppets. You can easily find the connection between those Apricity's accounts and Tirgil34's activity on WP. It's more than just a regular sock puppetry and fringe POV-pushing. See his profile info and posts. That guys is a perfect anti-European troll and ultra Turkish nationalist with a Turanist mind. '''My point:''' It's important to tell admins about this issue. Also, is there anyway to add this to that Long-Term abuse? --] (]) 10:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:Nice research {{u|Zyma}}, very interesting. I strongly reccommend that you add this information to ], perhaps the ] section. How do you plan on addressing the admins about this issue? ] (]) 10:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::After doing some research on my own here, i find that you are definately correct. For example check out this post on 24 June 2014 by Kipchak Håkan, where he refers to a 23 June edit by Tirgil34 sock {{User|Agaceri}}.
:I don't know how to report this, plus if you read and review his posts on that forum, you'll find more horrible things (looks like new and future-planned attacks). This is the '''reason''' why I call his behavior is something more than just a simple edit-warring or POV-pushing. It looks like an organized job, non-stop, and a systematic attempt to insert Turanist fringe contents on WP. I suggest to mention this stuff on the talk page section + direct report to some admins (provide WP diffs and related posts on Apricity Forum. Please ask admins about this, because I'm not familiar with this policy (disruptive edits that established and launched from 3rd-party websites). Despite his fringe povs, I think his forum-friends act as meta-puppets, anonymous editors (IPs), and IP-hopping editors. Read talk pages, you'll see their BS everywhere, just like those cheap posts on that forum. Do more searches and tell admins about this. Good luck. --] (]) 12:24, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::Okay {{u|Zyma}}, i'll see what i can do. I have also discovered that Tirgil34 has also been very active at and , so it seems like this problem extends beyond Misplaced Pages towards the entire ]. ] (]) 13:22, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Those edits are just for block/SPI evasion. He uses different personalities for each of his socks. This is popular among most sock puppeteers, because I submit some SPI cases and I'm familiar with them. As I said before, his behavior/activity is beyond our user rights and admins should decide about him if this (WP) is a real encyclopedia. I don't care about his edits and dream (everything is Turkic!) if he behave like a normal editor and stop his sock puppetry (I guess he started from 2009 or 2010), but it looks like sock puppetry and puppetry is a natural part of him. The real problem is: He adds a lot of unreliable or misrepresented sources to push fringe theories and weaken scholary/most-accepted views by experts. Cheating in edit summaries, manipulating referenced texts/contents, aggressive attacks against other editors, and etc. Some of his sources are not problematic, but the way he adds and presents them on articles is awful/disruptive. Don't expect anything from someone who thinks Ancient Near Easterns and Indo-Europeans were his dreamy 100% Turanid Turkic group, and Turks are the source for every ancient thing in this world! Did you read his claims on that forum? In his mind, all Central Asia regions and half of Europe were fully Turkic, then racist scientist ignored this fact, because they are Anti-Turk! A perfect example of pseudo-science + pan-nationalism. Best regards, bye. --] (]) 14:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::::{{u|Zyma}}, could user at be the same as Kipchak Håkan/Tirgil34? ] (]) 14:04, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::Maybe, it's possible. Every time he makes a change on WP articles, his edits appear on these history forum, and they know the revision history of those articles. That guy with "Black Panther" avatar is an interesting one! I mentioned The Apricity as an example (they manipulate articles and refer to manipulated articles because WP has its own reputation). There is no need to find this troll outside of WP. As I said above, this case is beyond regular users and needs serious attention by admins if they think WP is a reliable encyclopedia based on academic/expert sources. '''Off-topic, helpful for your future edits:''' '''' --] (]) 16:13, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


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Hi Krakkos. You have mentioned me in spi. lf you check my edits, you can understand that i am not tirgil34. l edited Wusun in the past. Differing from Tirgil34's, my additions were the sources that support the indo-european identity of Wusun. Please check my edits before accusation. Regards. ] (]) 21:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
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Krakkos -- Sincerely hoping that you are well, as I have not see you around for some time. If you're on an extended Wiki-break, then by all means, enjoy and come back when rested. Otherwise, I simply wanted to wish you a verspätet frohes Neues! ] (]) 21:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
Is true I edit in mostly Turkic pages ( and sometimes other ) but I have nothing to do with Tirgil34. ] (]) 14:49, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there, I'm so sorry to bug you but you reverted an edit that I made and I'm trying to figure out how I can get the edit to stick because it is factually inaccurate. I'm new here and have been googling around about it and just can't seem to find the right way to do it. Any advice is appreciated!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Krakkos,

New Page Review queue April to June 2023

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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--Lajmmoore (talk 17:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Happy New Year

Krakkos -- Sincerely hoping that you are well, as I have not see you around for some time. If you're on an extended Wiki-break, then by all means, enjoy and come back when rested. Otherwise, I simply wanted to wish you a verspätet frohes Neues! Obenritter (talk) 21:48, 8 January 2025 (UTC)