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== Long ==
This article is clearly POV based in favour of namby-pamby liberal sociology. I demand that a counter argument be presented that offers some counter evidence that Jafaican is just a natural merging of existing diverse language cultures in London. I am quite aware that many of these little punks ARE trying to 'be cool' with this stupid little gangster talk.--<font face="arial" color="FF0000" size="-1"><b>CaptainSurrey</b></font>] ]


As well as meaning ‘boring’, I’ve heard ‘long’ used to mean ‘taking a long time’ (‘This bus is long’), as well as ‘(for) a long time’ (‘I’ve been waiting long’). I’ve also heard ‘time’ used this way, as in ‘I’ve been waiting time’. It’s used that way in Coventry at least. Can we prove this and get it in the article?] (]) 22:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
:: The article is not POV, it's simply based on an article which referred to research done by Queen Mary College. If you want a counter argument to be presented, find a reliable source and put it in the text, but don't delete a verifiable source just because you don't like it, that's censorship. If you remove that section again I'll report you to a moderator. Also, if you're gonna put something in, it had better be a damn good source and not some random blog or guestbook. ] 14:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
:Update: I heard “this service is long” instead of “this service is slow” or “this service is taking a long time” on Eastenders on 02/08/2021. ] (]) 16:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
::Further update: since posting this last, I’ve noticed further examples of such speech in both ] and ], in ''Top Boy'', one character even uses long to mean something like ''bullshit'' or ''ridiculous/stupid'' - it was something along the lines of “You want me to merk him? That’s long!” - in other words, it would be stupid to kill the intended victim lest it should lead to spending one’s life behind bars or being assassinated in a reprisal attack. ] (]) 00:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


== Some standard words used in non-standard ways that could be mentioned ==
::: Your attitude totally stinks, Mackcan. And don't think that, just because you're some sort of bleeding heart liberal, that your thuggish behaviour will seem any less degenerate. Left wing thugs can wield pick axe handles and go round beating up Xenophobic Party members in Sweden, just as much as fascist thugs can commit brutish acts of violence. The way you accused me of vandalising this article was, not only childish, but ridiculously unfounded. - <font face="arial" color="FF0000" size="-1"><b>CaptainSurrey</b></font>]


In MLE people often use standard words like '''come''' and '''still''' in strange ways such as always saying ‘Come!’ instead of the standard ‘Come on!’ or ‘Come off it!’ and ending sentences with ‘still’ for emphasis, even to the point of making the word ''still'' louder and longer than the rest of the sentence, even when it’s not actually used with the standard meaning of ''however''. Examples of such speech abound in ] and I’ve also heard it IRL. ] (]) 00:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
::: I never altered the page. Don't accuse me of doing that; I'm certainly not that stupid. I may have gripes about its twisted-liberal theme, but I'm no vandal.--<font face="arial" color="FF0000" size="-1"><b>CaptainSurrey</b></font>]


==Pattern==
:::: Sorry, I assumed you were the anonymous user who twice removed a part of the article without stating any reason. ] 12:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
:: A counter argument to what? It's an inner-city dialect spoken by lower class scum of all races, it's the result of the melting pot in inner-cities and this dialect can be seen not only in London but also Birmingham and Bristol, to say that people that use it are just "doing it to be cool" is like saying people that speak with received pronunciation are "trying to be posh" which is rarely the case, it is the result of one's upbringing and the social environment around them. - ] <font face="arial" color="0000FF" size="-1"><b>AngryAfghan<font color="#336666"><sup>(Are you talking to ]?)</sup></b></font>


‘pattern’ is used repeatedly in TopBoy to mean ‘recruit into a criminal organisation for a stated purpose’ or ‘arrange/order criminal actions’, so something like ‘Let’s pattern some yute man to slang our food’ would mean ‘Let’s recruit/order some youths to sell our drugs’. In Man Like Mobeen, ''pattern'' is used once or twice to mean ‘arrange/organise’ in a non-criminal context. I’ve reverted the bot’s wrongful deletion of this meaning. Though it was unsourced, it should simply have been tagged ‘citation needed’, so that’s what I’ve done. I’ll try to find sources myself and add them. ] (]) 07:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
::Captain Surrey could you provide a link to the counter arguments you talk about as you will need there evidence if this article truly is POV like you say (i personally doubt it is this sort of thing in languages is very common). There is also no need to demand changes you can make the additions and provide the links yourself. --] 14:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


== Creole ==
:Well, I'm sorry, but I don't have those links that you desire. Yes, this article is very POV based, in favour of vangard propaganda sociology. Unfortunately, due to the tyrannical trends of namby pamby liberalism (Labour UK, for example), not much genuine research can be done in the subject, because it's quite politically incorrect these days. For example, when a university professor says that on average Black people score lower in IQ tests than white people, said professor gets voted out of tenure 600 to 1. So it's not good practice for libertarian capitalists to bother trying to counter argue against all this namby pamby left wing crap. Labour UK is a twisted experiment, which, although capitalist and ostensibly right wing, has introduced very bizarre left wing projects in to the political playing field: such as, teaching young children about homosexuality in schools, trying to make gay hate a crime like race hate, trying to make condemnation of monotheistic religions a crime, with use of the truth distorting term 'incitement to religious hatred' etc. We are on the losing side, those of us who love truth. Left wing politics can be just as dirty and obfuscatory as right wing politics. - <font face="arial" color="FF0000" size="-1"><b>CaptainSurrey</b></font>]

Could this be considered a creole language? ] (]) 23:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
: Certainly influenced by creole languages (particularly Caribbean, Jamaican in particular), but current scholarship does not define MLE as a creole language in and of itself. ] (]) 01:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

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Long

As well as meaning ‘boring’, I’ve heard ‘long’ used to mean ‘taking a long time’ (‘This bus is long’), as well as ‘(for) a long time’ (‘I’ve been waiting long’). I’ve also heard ‘time’ used this way, as in ‘I’ve been waiting time’. It’s used that way in Coventry at least. Can we prove this and get it in the article?Overlordnat1 (talk) 22:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Update: I heard “this service is long” instead of “this service is slow” or “this service is taking a long time” on Eastenders on 02/08/2021. Overlordnat1 (talk) 16:58, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Further update: since posting this last, I’ve noticed further examples of such speech in both Man Like Mobeen and Top Boy, in Top Boy, one character even uses long to mean something like bullshit or ridiculous/stupid - it was something along the lines of “You want me to merk him? That’s long!” - in other words, it would be stupid to kill the intended victim lest it should lead to spending one’s life behind bars or being assassinated in a reprisal attack. Overlordnat1 (talk) 00:18, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Some standard words used in non-standard ways that could be mentioned

In MLE people often use standard words like come and still in strange ways such as always saying ‘Come!’ instead of the standard ‘Come on!’ or ‘Come off it!’ and ending sentences with ‘still’ for emphasis, even to the point of making the word still louder and longer than the rest of the sentence, even when it’s not actually used with the standard meaning of however. Examples of such speech abound in Top Boy and I’ve also heard it IRL. Overlordnat1 (talk) 00:12, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Pattern

‘pattern’ is used repeatedly in TopBoy to mean ‘recruit into a criminal organisation for a stated purpose’ or ‘arrange/order criminal actions’, so something like ‘Let’s pattern some yute man to slang our food’ would mean ‘Let’s recruit/order some youths to sell our drugs’. In Man Like Mobeen, pattern is used once or twice to mean ‘arrange/organise’ in a non-criminal context. I’ve reverted the bot’s wrongful deletion of this meaning. Though it was unsourced, it should simply have been tagged ‘citation needed’, so that’s what I’ve done. I’ll try to find sources myself and add them. Overlordnat1 (talk) 07:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Creole

Could this be considered a creole language? 81.78.145.119 (talk) 23:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Certainly influenced by creole languages (particularly Caribbean, Jamaican in particular), but current scholarship does not define MLE as a creole language in and of itself. HarrySONofBARRY (talk) 01:21, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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