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| ::I'd like to preface this by saying, I'm in no way trying to tell you how to edit. You are obviously experienced and probably already know most of what I'm about to say, but I feel it would be prudent of me to touch on some friendly methods, if I may, with regard to editing on GSL, in order to avoid (my) confusion and therefore remove the possibility of conflict and or misunderstandings. It's always a good idea to at least start a discussion on the TP before or immediately after ''removing'' someone else's material that they worked to search, create, and add then to the article. It's also always better to try and just add to the article instead of only removing material (which you usually do add to the article as well), unless it is unsupported by cites OR involves SYNTH in relation to the subject (such as in the case where you removed material about the V. Tech tragedy, and were ''absolutely'' correct in doing so). Second, as much as possible, try to avoid referencing or using cites that make no mention of the term GSL. By referring or using cites that literally have the term mentioned in the context you are trying to convey, it makes it much easier for me to be receptive to the changes you'd like to make. In fact, I can almost guarantee I will agree to changes that are presented in this manner. Hopefully I'm not just being redundant, but if I am, please don't take offense, it is only in an effort to improve civil discourse between us and the GSL article. ] (]) 20:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::{{re|Darknipples}} First, I'm only about a month "older" than you, (not including when I used to edit before a multi-year hiatus). So we're learning together. Second, I prefer not to start a TP discussion if I feel the edit summary is sufficient to explain my reasoning. The TP on GSL is already cluttered enough. If something gets added back in, or taken back out a second time, then it's probably good to start a TP discussion, but I don't think they're necessary or useful for stuff that can be resolved with edit summaries. More time discussing editing means less time actually editing. As to the source issue, it's going to be tough to do that with the GSL article for two big reasons. 1) It's about the ''lack'' of a law, not about a law. So for sections that talk about an overview of '''current''' law it will inherently be difficult to find good sources that mention GSL. Likewise, there are plenty of excellent sources that will not mention it. We need to make sure that the source backs up the statement at hand, whether or not it mentions the GSL by name. If you're aware of any policy that requires the article title be mentioned in sources, please let me know. 2) One side of the debate says it's not a loophole at all, so they're going to avoid calling it that except to say that it doesn't exist. shows no results for the word "loophole" (though that may be more of a comment on their website's search function than anything else; ). Point is, a lot of good, relevant sources will write about GSL or the issues surrounding it without mentioning it by name. As I see it, our job is to make sure the sources back up the statements at hand, whether or not they mention GSL by name. For an example of what I mean, see ]. Two of the sources in that section (#16 & #21) don't mention the Grand Canyon at all. They're still good sources though, because they back up the statement at hand. Anyway, thanks for the input and discussion. ] (]) 03:15, 7 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == A barnstar for you! == | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | You're passionate about your beliefs without being a jerk. Something that seems to be hard for many site-wide these days... :) ] ] ☮ღ☺ 02:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :Ha. Thanks. :) ] (]) 02:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == A beer for you! == | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | In the spirit of civil discourse - I think I owe you one - I know we may disagree on technicalities, but as humans, we all just want the same thing - beer ] (]) 06:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thanks! :) ] (]) 14:30, 5 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == A barnstar for you! == | |||
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| |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Editor's Barnstar''' | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Please accept this with my apologies ] (]) 00:46, 6 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :No worries. Let's get back to editing. :) ] (]) 03:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == GPTF == | |||
| I have added my support. I feel I can be a valued part of this team. ] (]) 19:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :Excellent, thank you for your opinion. ] (]) 01:31, 7 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == A brownie for you! == | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I'm being sweet ] (]) 20:39, 6 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :Roses are red, brownies are brown. They're always delicious if you're feeling down. ] (]) 02:32, 7 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ==WTH and PS== | |||
| WTH? First you thank me for this edit - - then, 20 minutes later, you delete it and the material it supported as a "poor source"? And deleted info sourced to the National Shooting Sports Foundation about the gun industry that gives the paragraph's opening sentences some context? ] (]) 15:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :I thanked you for fixing the page, but decided the source you fixed in was unreliable. To me, a "thank" doesn't always mean I agree with the edit - just that it was a helpful contribution. And I feel that putting the line about the NSSF in there in that way is undue; it may unintentionally mislead readers to believe that the gun industry provides more than half of the NRA's money. ] (]) 00:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| PS: What is "PAK"? (All that stuff gives your talk-page an annoying you-gotta-be-an-insider-to-get-it kind of vibe.) ] (]) 15:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't remember. 2010 was a while ago. Not sure how to archive things, and to date I haven't cared enough to learn. ] (]) 00:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well, I think some of your fellow editors (myself included) would appreciate it. Here are instructions on how to archive: ]. ] (]) 00:13, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::Done. ] (]) 19:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Request == | |||
| Re all the stuff you removed from the NRA article. First, '']'' is NOT "]." But more importantly, we discussed all of this only recently. | |||
| Perhaps you have heard that I am out of my home state and that I broke my elbow yesterday to boot! Let's wait until I'm home (waiting for a doc's appt) before we resume this debate. I don't mind you adding due, balancing material - but please don't delete mine. I am pinging {{u|Felsic}} on this, too. Thanks. ] (]) 13:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :I replaced all of the clickbait links with actual sources pretty quickly, and I think the only statement I removed ("considerable amount") I would have removed either way for editorializing. We got to the same place without the bad source, so I don't see the value in leaving it in. ] (]) 14:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :And ETA on your return? I'm about to propose something else that you probably will disagree with. I was actually going to post it yesterday, but held off because I saw what you said. Best wishes for a speedy recovery. ] (]) 14:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::Again, ''Business Insider'' is NOT a "clickbait" source. (If you think it is, maybe try ]?) If you want to ADD a source or sources, fine, but don't delete others because you don't like what they say, which is: | |||
| :::''The bulk of the group's money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources.'' | |||
| ::"The bulk of" and "much" mean "considerable" (or "significant"), which we discussed earlier this month. | |||
| ::Also, your re edit summary, "Undid mass reversion": My edit was in response to your string of (mass) edits moving and REMOVING material that I added three weeks ago. | |||
| ::If I were in my own office and had the use of both arms, I might have tried to figure out the appropriate edits you made among the others. If you want to add due, balancing info, fine, but - again - don't delete what I wrote because you don't agree it with or dislike the source. | |||
| ::I'm scheduled be home April 8. Probably with my arm still in a sling, but at least at my own computer. ] (]) 16:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'll hold off for a couple more days on the other thing them. And I re-sourced the statements in question with more reputable sources than the writer who brought us "39 Photos That Prove Birthday Boy Vladimir Putin Is The Most Badass Leader In The World". If you actually look at the edits they're mostly about re-sourcing things. I managed to track down the original source of the Sugarmann quote, and I also put in the VPC article, which I feel is a pretty important source for that section. Please take the time to read through the article as it stands now, rather than mass removing the sources and content I added. ] (]) 16:57, 31 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
| {{od}}FYI, I am home now, but I've had surgery on my elbow and will be in a cast/splint thingy for a few more days. Then, physical therapy. ] (]) 00:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| I would say again, to above, if you want to add sources and info, fine, but don't unilaterally remove what is already there and sourced. ] (]) 00:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I probably don't say this enough, but I thank you for your efforts. ] ] ☮ღ☺ 16:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
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