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== Can we change the registration date to July 13, 1914? ==
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It is inaccurate to have their actual registration date on July 27, 1914. That is an amended registration date. Please see the source for their actual registration date, July 13, 1914.
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https://archive.org/details/ApplicationToRegisterIglesiaNiKristoDated13thOfJuly1914/Application%20to%20Register%20Iglesia%20ni%20Kristo%20dated%2013th%20of%20July%201914/ ] (]) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
==Sources==
Sources are requested for the following so that the Disputed flag can be removed:<br>
;Church structure&mdash;essentially the roles within its organisation.
;Church beliefs and practices.
Each doctrine is written in a book that is published by the INC but is not available to all members of the church. Is there a publicly available source? &mdash;] ] 17:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
:Not to my knowledge. They might be covered in a Pasugo article though, I'm not sure.--] 01:13, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
::I think that book we're talking about is the one which is written by Manalo, which is now referenced on the main page. --]] 22:57, August 22, 2005 (UTC)
Is Manalo, Erano G. ''Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ)'' (Manila: Iglesia ni Cristo, 1989) the same as ], pp.1-16]? Both are listed as references.
: Not that I know of, the FBINC book by Manalo is a full sized 200 or so page book. --]] 01:10, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
::Does anyone know how I can get hold of copies of either/both? I cannot find them in the UK. &mdash;] ] 09:25, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
:::As I mentioned earlier to the thread, the book is only available to high members of the church. The booklet could probably be found lying around an INC member's house. --]] 03:21, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
::::The book is only given to ministers and ministerial students] 05:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
;Missionary activities
;The four internal organizations.
;The Hierarchy


:The Iglesia ni Cristo has maintained that they were founded on July 27 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120821051154/http://www.incmedia.org/inc/history.html), what do you mean by "an amended registration date"? Amended by whom, and when?
==GA passed==
:I think more information is needed on how your document was obtained and the type of document this is to verify its authenticity and the validity of the July 13 claim. July 13 is exactly 2 weeks before July 27. Thus, depending on the processes surrounding this document, it could be that it could take 2 weeks for the registration to take effect, or some legal phenomenon with a delay period such that the July 27 claim is accurate. ] (]) 18:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Issues to work on for the progression :
* The article needs more information on the belief of the church.
* The article needs to distinguish between the religion mentioned and the others.
* It also needs to clearly define why it is not a cult and a religion.
* It needs more citations (at least for the citation needed tag).
* It is in need of more criticism outside of the Philippines.
* Are there people in this religion outside of the Philippines? other that what is mentioned in '''Missionary activities'''.
* In the '''Criticism''' section it talks about the Pope ... if the pope is part of the hierarchy of the church it should be mentioned. If not, why such a claim is made in the criticisms section. Does the pope endorse such a religion?
* If this sentence ''Macapagal-Arroyo's father, Diosdado Macapagal, due to his religious and political views, refused INC's preferred.'' is really necessary it should be expanded into a paragraph or added to some other, if not ... it should be deleted. ] 18:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


== HD Version of the Revised Seal? ==
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The current seal on the article is too low quality. ] (]) 03:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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:{{re|FreiGenesis}} Since I'm fairly certain the seal is protected by copyright, we'd have to replicate it using public domain assets. I'll ask a friend of a friend to take a stab at it, but it might be a while. ~ ] (]) 04:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
*There actually is no edit war, reasonable users from both a supportive and critical viewpoint of INC agree this article presents all sides fairly and have worked together to make it a good article, something which I am very proud of. Unfortunately, a ] has come back using anonymous proxies, in disregard for the rules of Misplaced Pages and in disregard for the work put up by many of us in the past. I humbly request support for semi-protection once again. --] 00:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
:Unfortunately that's the only publicly available file of the current iteration of the seal at the moment (without the compass and the triangular ruler).] (]) 13:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
* I disagree on the reasons for delisting this as a good article. Although the article is not fully covered, GA doesn't require it to be so. The edit wars are from an editor who is banned from editing the article per ArbCom decision. Aside from beliefs, the article suitably covers critisism and origin nicely. I will fork this conversation into an ] in hopes for it to be relisted. --]]]] 08:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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== Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2024 ==
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== INC statistics site ==
Please update the reference for the following source:


"5. Adriel Obar Meimban (1994). 'A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: ''Cult'' in the Far East, Philippine Islands' (PDF)."
has a wealth of information about INC's population. Anybody care to take a look and see what we can use from it? --]]]] 18:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


The original title of the book, as verified through the Wayback Machine, is:
== The state of this article. ==


"A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: ''Christianity'' in the Far East, Philippine Islands."
Emico's return under ] and his classic anonymous proxy edits must be deleted. The unsourced criticism about the Bereans and other INC critics cannot stay as it is basically POV. The only things we can post in response are any official responses from the INC themselves. I will continue to revert any "contributions" made by Emico to this, or any other Iglesia ni Cristo related article until his ban is ended by ArbCom. --] 21:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
:I've read further into , and he said that any block imposed on Emico's accounts that's reported at the arbcom's page will cause the timer on his ban to be reset. The creation of IndependentMind just caused him to be banned from INC articles until July 20, 2007. He needs to work positively with us if he ever wants to edit these articles again, and I hope he does. But if he feels he needs to disrupt Misplaced Pages to get his way, he'll only be treated as a vandal. --]]]] 22:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Here is the archived link for reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20110826002343/http://repository.cc.sophia.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/123456789/5124/1/200000079942_000012000_95.pdf
== INC as a landmark? ==


I propose correcting the reference to reflect the accurate title. ] (]) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Here's the page Emico was probably trying to refer to: . Unfortunately, all the reviews are biased in either direction, with members fawning over the church and critics not liking it. This is definitely not an encyclopedic reference. All that I could say from my personal experiences is that INC chapels are found in most areas of the Philippines, and are somewhat notable in that fashion, but I would not call them tourist landmarks. Perhaps Central, but not every chapel. It's just like the Mormons in Utah, many people LDS and non-LDS visit their head tabernacle, but I don't think anyone would call regular Mormon chapels tourist landmarks.--] 21:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

:Well, I can assure you that a locale which is across the street from a sewage processing plant is not a landmark. I think he meant the central temple, as it is the most photographed. Speaking of Central, can we expand that section? --]]]] 22:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
:Fixed citation. Regards. ] (]) 03:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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Can we change the registration date to July 13, 1914?

It is inaccurate to have their actual registration date on July 27, 1914. That is an amended registration date. Please see the source for their actual registration date, July 13, 1914.

https://archive.org/details/ApplicationToRegisterIglesiaNiKristoDated13thOfJuly1914/Application%20to%20Register%20Iglesia%20ni%20Kristo%20dated%2013th%20of%20July%201914/ 99.48.153.188 (talk) 23:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

The Iglesia ni Cristo has maintained that they were founded on July 27 (https://web.archive.org/web/20120821051154/http://www.incmedia.org/inc/history.html), what do you mean by "an amended registration date"? Amended by whom, and when?
I think more information is needed on how your document was obtained and the type of document this is to verify its authenticity and the validity of the July 13 claim. July 13 is exactly 2 weeks before July 27. Thus, depending on the processes surrounding this document, it could be that it could take 2 weeks for the registration to take effect, or some legal phenomenon with a delay period such that the July 27 claim is accurate. WackyAurelionSol (talk) 18:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

HD Version of the Revised Seal?

The current seal on the article is too low quality. FreiGenesis (talk) 03:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

@FreiGenesis: Since I'm fairly certain the seal is protected by copyright, we'd have to replicate it using public domain assets. I'll ask a friend of a friend to take a stab at it, but it might be a while. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:05, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Unfortunately that's the only publicly available file of the current iteration of the seal at the moment (without the compass and the triangular ruler).Hariboneagle927 (talk) 13:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

"Manalo Cult" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Manalo Cult has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 August 3 § Manalo Cult until a consensus is reached. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:34, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2024

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Please update the reference for the following source:

"5. Adriel Obar Meimban (1994). 'A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: Cult in the Far East, Philippine Islands' (PDF)."

The original title of the book, as verified through the Wayback Machine, is:

"A Historical Analysis of the Iglesia ni Cristo: Christianity in the Far East, Philippine Islands."

Here is the archived link for reference: https://web.archive.org/web/20110826002343/http://repository.cc.sophia.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/123456789/5124/1/200000079942_000012000_95.pdf

I propose correcting the reference to reflect the accurate title. Tagaluto (talk) 00:30, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Fixed citation. Regards. Sanglahi86 (talk) 03:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

 Already done PianoDan (talk) 05:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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