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Hi Drmies, this post is about the IPv6 range ] that you partially blocked for 1 week from editing AN/I. A little less than an hour later, ] actually site-blocked the singular IP in that range ] for a couple of days with no talk page access. Since then, like happens with many IPv6 connections, the user's IP address switched over to ] very shortly after, which allowed them to continue posting on that previous IP's talk page in spite of the previous IP's block with no talk page access. Given that this is technically block evasion, I'm thinking maybe the /64 rangeblock should be updated to a full one?
Is there reason for this to exist? <span style="font-family: Lucida Calligraphy">]<span style="color: #22aaaa">of</span>]</span> 18:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:Or ]? --]<sup>(]) </sup> 19:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
*]. ] (]) 01:57, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
::Good catch, K, and thanks, Drmies! <span style="font-family: Lucida Calligraphy">]<span style="color: #22aaaa">of</span>]</span> 19:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


Regards, —&nbsp;] ] 01:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
==The famous Dutch Woman==
*Yeah, I left a note for Cullen cause I had to run, but I'll go ahead and stop that yapping. Thanks, ] (]) 01:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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**Yeah, sorry Drmies, my wife and I had to pick up some prescriptions (we're 72), go to the hardware store as part of our ongoing battle against the rats, and stop at Target. We just got home. ] (]) 02:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
The famous Dutch Woman... yes -famous. ] (]) 22:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
*Ah! That's the one? I'm so glad I finally have a picture of her--thanks! ] (]) 01:50, 12 April 2015 (UTC) ***I took care of it. Rats? Brrrr. ] (]) 02:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***Yeah they are creepy and filthy and befoul any accessible food, but that's the least of it. They have twice chewed partly through ] fresh water lines in the crawl space under our house, which soaked a lot of insulation too. Very expensive chaos. Second incident discovered today. It's an ongoing debacle and I have a grudge against all rodents at this point. ] (]) 02:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
***:{{yo|Cullen328}} Do you routinely distribute rodenticide in key locations? I do so weekly, and the problems are much improved. ] (]) 10:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:{{u|Deepfriedokra}}, we live in a semi-rural area with lots of beneficial wildlife like deer, rabbits and squirrels plus pets like cats and dogs, so pest control professionals prefer to avoid most poisons and rely on traps and repellents instead. There is also the hidden dead rat odor problem. We are going to start a very specialized product called RatX in the next few days. ] (]) 17:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::Oh Lord, rats are a horrible problem. Hope you can get rid of them. Do you guys have any cats? And I think that having a lot of insects and whatnot in your house is considered something of a way of life, but imo, definitely not true nowadays. My house suffers from a lot of ], and my family has been trying to use ] to try and stop them. Strong substance, perhaps, but definitely useful. ] (]) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::I only use the poison in the house- behind stove, fridge, and washing machine. Fortunately they leave before dying. ] (]) 18:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::I use road flares in their burrows outdoors. Close up as many holes as you can find except one, light the road flare and stick it fire side in and cover it up. Carbon monoxide takes care of it. Keeping livestock I have a significant rat population outside that I have to keep in check. As for inside, cats. ] (]) 18:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::{{ec}} Like Cullen, we too live in a rural area. Fortunately, we haven't had any rats (one bat, though - and that was horrible), but we do have mice. Don't know if they'll work with larger rodents, but we leave sticky traps for the mice in our garage, and, thus far, that keeps them out of the house, killing them before they can enter.--] (]) 18:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::Is that better than roaches, {{U|Bbb23}}? ] (]) 19:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::::You'd think an indoor pit bull would prevent rats. She does not. ] (]) 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::::Need a ratter, not a big dog. My little lady kills quite a few rats outside. ] (]) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****:::::Mice are stupid and don't get too trap averse. Much more difficult to trap rats long term. With mice I've found a bucket trap to be very effective. A 5 gallon bucket with a ramp leading to the top. Fill it halfway with water, then cover the water with sunflower seeds. The mice climb up and hop in to get the seeds and can't get out. ] (]) 19:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
****::::::I do think cats make good pets too. They're good at catching mice and rats, as well as defeating snakes. I'm sure the reaction time of a cat is about 20-44 milliseconds compared to a snake which has like 44-70 milliseconds. I also think that cats are the general predator of snakes. But staying on topic, I do feel like it would be best to have a cat as a pet (I certainly don't have a cat, though) for catching rats. ] (]) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


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*I was, ]?? I had no idea--I think that also shows that it would be good if more people got involved with it. I think the backlog is creeping towards 2,000 again. Anyway, thanks: I appreciate it! ] (]) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Happy Holidays ==
Hello. A few days ago, a brand new user created a slew of barebones articles about non-notable songs all by the same band and all of which say basically nothing (]). Can they just all be redirected to the appropriate album, discography, group article, whatever? Do we really have to go through a whole merge proposal process or AFD all of them? If I redirect them, what do I use as justification? This is so frustrating - seems like my efforts to get rid of crap song articles are just a drop in the bucket, ha ha. Thanks~ ] (]) 21:15, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
:I boldly redirected all of them. They contained no information not already present in their album article and the group article. If someone wants to kick me off wikipedia for it, so be it. ] (]) 22:09, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
*Well, I doubt that anyone will kick you off the project for redirecting ! Holy moly that is bad. Thanks. ] (]) 00:20, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*Also, which "brand new" user? ] (]) 00:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:*They're nearly all that bad (kpop song articles), and yet you see how much people argue to keep them, throwing all kinds of nasty accusations at anyone who wants to just merge them, letalone delete them. And people scream even after the merges, even when not a single bit of actual info has been removed. I just wish a lot more editors would come along and do what I've just done, to keep all the weight off my shoulders. There's so so sooooo many of them that need to just stop existing, LOL. The newly-registered username is linked above, Purpleberrybomb. Actually a brand new editor? Well who knows, ha ha. (Man, I really want to get back to improving articles about stuff I actually care about, but the parade of songcrap never ends.) ] (]) 01:44, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


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Somebody has been messing around with the articles ] and ]. To my opinion, the articles are in fact correct but a lot of history is lost due to a cut and past move. Can you, or any other admin, fix this? I think I miss the right tools to do that. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:30, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
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*OK Banner, is one obvious problem. But the funny thing is, in that same history was a similar error, , and deletion may actually solve the problem. Then again, I'm watching an episode of ''House'', so strange twists are to be expected. ] (]) 00:44, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
**Thank you very much. No strange explosions noted on the way. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 03:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
***Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Still, please ping {{U|Kelapstick}}; he's much better at tedious stuff than I am, and loves mining into old layers of crap. Zing! ] (]) 03:30, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


== May Sinterklaas be good to you ... ==
== A long history==


Please leave your wooden shoes out for him to fill with presents.
{{ping|Drmies}} you have no idea of the scope of this matter. If you dig into the last 3 months of drama and non stop aggression directed at me and my responding with what I felt was a honest reply to the users months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks, you are completely out of line here. If you care to bring up your concerns with the Signpost editor please do so. It has been almost non stop for months. I have tried and tried and tried to get the user to relax but it just continued and continued and continued. Do your research please before calling me a asshole. This is about 2 months of drama that most the SP editors are tired of already. I am not the source of the drama. We all made a stream of attempts to get the user to talk, and now to make believe that it was a typo and she meant to tell me that "I would go out and shout people in the street", give me a break. We all choose our own paths in this world and every editor of the signpost will tell you just how much I have tried to get this user to be reasonable. We all would rather Haffy calmed down and worked as a team member, but the cumulative number of random passive aggressive actions that have been directed at me with no justification whatsoever has become something no one wants to deal with. I am sorry if calling someone's behavior out as childish was not candy coated enough, perhaps that might cross cultural lines to be a offensive thing, but I know all the SP editors feel the same way. ]
*I gave you a break. And just like Ed didn't call Hafs a sexist (or a troll), I didn't call you an asshole. Hafs makes enough typos for this to have been a likely one. And I will tell you something else, WPPilot: that last sentence of yours is completely assholish. This, this talkpage, is a happy place, and such passive-aggressive whining about supposed "cultural lines" ] is not allowed here. And if Hafs had ''really'' been on a three-month crusade during which they were persecuting you, *cough cough*, then maybe you should have done something about it, something within our guidelines. Thank you. ] (]) 00:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::I am sorry but the typo excuse fails when later Haffy clearly placed on her page the People in the US go around shooting each other, but that does not happen in Sweden (I am paraphrasing here) further substantiating what the intent of the original comment was designed to do. I in no way apologized so I have nothing to disguise. I have tried to be civil and work as a team at all times. I have NEVER considered any of my contributions to SP FC, as final drafts, this is all about my being a co editor on SP FC section. No one requires a invite to join that group. I have been contributing to the section in the way of photography now for 6 years and felt that I could assist. Haffy was at one time grateful and during a ]. Enough is enough and I have washed my hands of this. '''If Haffy wants to have a online convo via Skype with the editorial staff of the signpost the invite is wide open and I would be glad to join and have dialog''', off site but with this post '''I will not address this, or the user again, on this site,''' ''in the hopes that we are all able to continue productively contributing to the site.'' Thank you and I am sorry if anyone was offended, I would love to chalk it up to cultural differences and just go back, but clearly Haffy seems to want me to dis continue contributing to the SP, something any of us can do and she is clearly set on her dramatic exit. So be it. Cheers! ]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span> 00:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::There's also the of "shoting" to "shooting." In any case, it would probably be best to back away from all this and let tempers, mine included (I'm a "bully" now?), subside before entering into a dialogue. ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 00:47, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Ed, I read that correction quite differently from how you do, but hey. Pilot, nothing personal here; I understand everyone's on edge and short-tempered, and so am I--please forgive me for being straightforward. I've let Hafspajen know where I stand as well: sort of in the middle, I suppose. I kind of want everyone to get along, of course, and I don't know if that's possible here, but I'd like a reduction of response and commentary. I think Hafs could also have done a better job at containment, but seriously, Pilot--if you think that the other party is at fault, or trolling, or whatever, then there's little point in going to their talk page to scold them... ] (]) 01:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Pilot, I think what Hafspajen might want you to do is stop yelling, and take back some of those comments. Pot, kettle: there's plenty of drama to go around here. ] (]) 14:55, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Yes. I wanted you to do is stop yelling, maybe I shouldt use that sho--- word, since I obviously can't spell it. '''''You are completely out of line''''' looks like your favorite expression. Sorry Drmies, that now it was you who got that thrown in your face. {{U|WPPilot}}, I have a suggestion, take this matter to ANI. Say that I was directing non stop aggression directed at you, several month, provide diffs and go and launch your case, please. ] (]) 15:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


Have a good one, Doc, and thanks for filling our wiki-lives with cheer.
::::::Sounds like an excellent idea. Otherwise, it's just a lot of he said she said. On two different talk pages. Each with its own version. No one wants to dig into three months of anything to find out what is going on. Let's just chalk it up to built-up personality differences, or bad moments/days/week/moods/whatever. And take some time to chill out. ] (]) 15:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


Love, ] (]) 01:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
'''*{{ping|Hafspajen}} <strike>I am super and extremely sorry that you and I had any indifference, and that my comments have offended you. We were working well in the past, and I think of you as a friend. You have previously been supportive and I was grateful for that support. Please forgive any miss understands that we have had, and please please please, forgive me, and any frustrations that I may have caused you, that was NEVER my intent. Sincerely: "WPPilot" ]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span> 16:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)'''</strike>
*Oh ], that is very nice of you--thank you very much. I assume you set your shoe too? Don't forget to put a carrot in there, right? That reminds me: I'll be making oliebollen for New Year's. All the best to you and yours, and thanks for sticking around and helping out on our beautiful project. ] (]) 23:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::* Why do I have the feeling that I am talking to two different persons suddenly? You say you are sorry, you think about me as a friend, and never intended any frustration that you caused. Just above you said something very different, plus on number of talkpages around Misplaced Pages. Those are pretty serious accusations, and you succeeded to convince like almost the entirely Sing post redaction about it. They all think about me as a totally crazy unreliable person by now. Witch part did you '''really''' meant?
**Ah, ] are a new one on me! Here in Hawaii, we have a doughnutty thing called ]s, which are eaten all year round, just like ]! Have a great New Year! ] (]) 00:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::* Do you really think that I was directing '''''non-stop aggression towards you, and months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks''''', or not? ] (]) 18:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*{{ping|Hafspajen}} Hur säger man ''"Chill Out"'' på svenska? I am going to stick to myself. I have said I was sorry and have in the past when you took things the wrong way. I do not want to put any further time into this. My comment about you acting childish was something that I would say to my 73 year old mother if I felt that way about something she was doing, so I was treating you as anyone else around me and it is not cause to have a digital meltdown or create a section of your talk page dedicated to the drama. Communication is key to any group and its ability to be productive. That is what I am about, working as a part of a group for a common objective. I am not going to address your comments above. I have not convinced anyone of anything, we are all free to make our own judgments and using reasonable logic come to a conclusion. I have decided not to dredge up every interaction in the historical archives and have made a point of keeping my comments to a minimum. Please take a break, go have some Aquavit & Pittapanna (yummy). Don't forget to put the shot glass on your head, as we do in Norway. Ha en bra dag, smaklig malted, tack så mycket. (Ett språk är aldrig nog) ]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span> 20:03, 13 April 2015 (UTC


== About your block of Ayomikun445 ==
:* You say you are not not going to address your comments above. The next sentence you say communication is important. That is a contradiction. Either way, you see, before this I was seen as a valuable editor, not a problem editor. That is kinda gone now, thanks to your comments. You say it was me who took things the wrong way? It's only four(?) '''''' - and the same thing happened all over again.
::Also all this was forcing me to disclose my gender, something that I never wanted to do. I promised myself if this ever happen, I will quit. This was indirectly caused by you, . Ed was going by your comment. You did at least convinced at least one person, who never really knew me much before that I am making personal attacks. '' these attacks are going to continue to disrupt the process and by design my ability to contribute unless this is brought to the attention of Admins..'' This is something you wrote only a day ago. You also said like 5 hours ago above that ''this is about 2 months of drama ... I am not the source of the drama... I know all the SP editors feel the same way''. That leaves me as a reason, according to you.
::Yes, I feel that not only my personal honor is compromised, but my personal integrity as well. I am not taking this easily. It is nothing that it can be fixed with alcohol or chilling out. <sup>The comment about '''''putting a shot glass on your head''''' - could be misunderstood too, whatever that means, but never mind.</sup>.


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::I feel that first posting around accusations and than taking them back just as easily is kinda confusing. I still feel that if you think I indeed was directing non-stop aggression towards you, and months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks, than please provide diffs. Those are serious accusations. And if you make them please provide diffs on them, at least a couple. You say: '''''I have decided not to dredge up every interaction in the historical archives''''' .... why not? Because if you come up with these accusations than at least you can support them? ] (]) 20:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::* Or maybe you simply didn't meant all that seriously? ] (]) 22:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC) *I'm on it. ] (]) 15:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::* Or maybe because there is no such thing as me causing 3 months of drama and non stop aggression directed towards you and months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks? ] (]) 23:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


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::* Don't start templating me. According to your . Well, I think you should address it. You made these accusations here, address them here. We are all here, right now. You tried to compromise my person here, do address it here. And, actualy I don't agree with the practice of an entire group of editors go off Wiki to discuss issues.


Hi! I'm currently engaged in an edit war with a user who believes that two films released in 2017 and 2019 are canon to an animated universe of TV shows from 1992-2006. I've provided multiple clear as day sources from the people who worked on these that show this isn't the case.
:::I say, your previous was coming after this discussion, where several editors were discussing with you temper, here: ]. It was {{U|BilCat}} and {{U |Ahunt}} who were discussing your edits and attitude with you. You had similar issues here, ], too. I think that then, a month ago; by apologizing you hoped that you removed the seriousness of the issues directed to you. I did forgive you then. But now, it started again.
:::Now I want something else. Please, if you made such accusations as me '''''causing 3 months of drama and non stop aggression directed towards you and directing months of passive aggressive and intentional attacks''''' please provide with diffs and don't try hiding behind Skype discussions designed only for Signpost editors. Remember, that I am not joining that discussion, so it is unfair of you to tell me to discuss it on Skype, when I am not there and neither will be. Our security thinks there are serious issues with Skype, so forget Skype. I am not there, I am here.


You can read it here.
::Some people actually might believe what you say. I don't want apologies any more, I had apologies from you several times before, I accepted them, here, https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Hafspajen&diff=next&oldid=651295545 and nothing changed. I want the ]. If you don't do that, but you start evading it again by refusing, by templates, and referring to do it only on off Wiki discussions - I declare here and now that those accusations were false. So at least I can leave Misplaced Pages in a different way, not with a compromised character. ] (]) 07:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:DC_Animated_Universe#Article_Cleanup ] (]) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*I tried to read that: it's clear as mud. But yes you are in the middle of an edit war, and you really need to stop. If you want that talk page discussion, and your editing career, to go anywhere, you might could try making smaller edits and explaining them on the talk page--briefly, with sources. ] (]) 23:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*Blanking your talk page is not a good idea. ] (]) 23:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*], is this your only account? ] (]) 23:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Yes. I had a previous account a while back that I lost my password too.
*:The person who I'm having an edit war with literally went and removed my sources, while his sources are non-existent or incredibly flimsy. ] (]) 20:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== With respect to Bai Jingting ==
{{ping|Hafspajen}} do not contact me again. ]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span> 14:21, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I seen few deletion, need clarity to improve.
1. For Philanthropic activity the source 8th line mentions artist name, need to understand why the source is doubtful.
2. If "features" is wrong vocabulary could it be replaced with other word? As new writer I observed many articles already accepted those details from years. Need to understand how to represent here with proper writing. ] (]) 20:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*Not every time someone is mentioned in some competition they're "featured". If someone is featured it means they get a special placement, and there is no evidence at all that this is what is happening here. Yes, it's a buzzword now used for every guest performance and appearance, and we need to fight back, like linguistic warriors. I don't really know what you mean with "source 8th line", but if you're talking about , it's pretty obvious to me that that gossipy glossy website is NOT an acceptable, neutral, independent source for BLPs. Thanks, ] (]) 16:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
**Thanks for the reply. For Philanthropic activity link <ref>{{Cite web |title=持续更新！汪峰章子怡林志玲黄晓明等为河南暴雨捐款 |url=https://ent.ifeng.com/c/883OdhBmV5C |access-date=2024-12-17 |website=ent.ifeng.com |language=zh}}</ref> was used. 8th line suggest artist donation towards natural disaster. It was removed stating doubtful. If we mention actual ranks of few listings, instead of "feature" I hope it's fine provided link attached is not from gossip site and provides enough evidence. ] (]) 23:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
***What 8th line? I see five lines, and then some weird image that took me 26 clicks on "Page Down" to get through--and then there's comments. Anyway, I see his name is mentioned, along with dozens of others, on a website that at best looks like a gossipy site for fans of entertainers. Whatever that site is, it's not publishing journalism; please see ]. How much did he even give? Or did the record company give a few bucks in his name, to add to his resume? Who knows? ] (]) 02:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
***Oh you mean the seventh line of that picture with a list of donors--who knows what that picture is, and what its authority is. Again, that's not how we operate here. It's too easy to manipulate pictures, and there's no source or context--"according to incomplete statistics" actually expresses part of the problem well. ] (]) 02:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


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== You are being discussed here ==


] ] ] 16:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*Very exciting, Doug--thanks! ] (]) 19:54, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
** {{tpw}} ] ]!!! ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*** A tremendous amount of truly reprehensible stuff does happen on this talk page. However, in my opinion, none thus far had been quite so egregious as using the word "revenant". That said, I myself understood the word immediately by way of it being the true and accurate translation from the Danish of the title of Ibsen's '']''. -- ] (]) 05:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
****Hey I just learned a new word. ] (]) 16:08, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
**** Well, {{yo|Softlavender}}, a joke explained is not much of a joke. But what I meant by using the word was precisely a reference to the Danish sense in that the ghost of the quite dead argument had been revived by a (now blocked) user who started the (now closed) discussion. Let us hope for the new year that the argument inappropriately raised from the dead remains in the grave to which it was returned and that no further sticks are raised. Heaven forfend that I should post reprehensible stuff on this hallowed site. ] &#124; <sup> ]</sup> 14:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
*****Let the dead bury their dead. ] (]) 15:43, 30 December 2024 (UTC)


== ]/] and others ==


Thought they had given up and taken a new hobby, but nope... Here is this IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:67D4:8700:461:2CED:6508:F5E3), for instance continuing with the transfer speculation at ] (and reinserting their ref that "supported" ] winning the title last season by mentioning a ] match!!), duly reverted! Ah, with a completely polite and encyclopedical edit summary, so let's see what their reply will be (because they WILL reinstate their version again!)...
::::* Thank you. Than I take it as I said above. <sup>(No I never e-mailed him, everthing is in the diffs, each and every interraction, just make this point very clear)</sup><sup></sup> ] (]) 14:36, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


Happy 2025, take care ] (]) 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
== ] ==


] Though I have little hope by now that the user will get a clue and discuss, instead o edit-warring. ] (]) 03:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC) Edit warring started already, please intervene (you or somebody) ASAP! --] (]) 17:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*Yep. Thanks. ] (]) 03:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC) *], ], can you please have a look, given your experience with ]? Thanks, ] (]) 19:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
*], I found another one (User:Lazaric12), and removed some of that awful content. Take care old friend! ] (]) 16:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
::User back at article as {{User|49.138.46.195}} and under his own account. The latest edits are not as egregious as the previous ones, but not looking forward to explaining due-weight and . Any ideas on best course? Semi-protection seems warranted; still unsure if edit-restriction are called for. Pinging {{ping|Future Perfect at Sunrise}} in case you are busy, or plain tired of this. Cheers. ] (]) 17:15, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

::: Handled by FPAS. So now your to-do list is down to ∞-1, by my count. Cheers. ] (]) 18:09, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

== New user doesn't seem too new to me ==

Hello yet again. You had a little break from me but never fear, I'm here to harass/beg/whine again. =) {{U|Bradley sniper}} seems off. It's a new account, and has already voted at least twice on kpop-related AFDs (], ]), going so far as to actually revert the blanking/redirection of a page whose AFD was closed as "delete and redirect" (). His edits on various anime pages don't look very "new user" to me. Could be a new name for an existing user, all totally legit, but in kpop, well, you know how it typically goes. It just doesn't pass the smell test to me, but I cannot offer evidence of wrongdoing. Any opinion or advice? ] (]) 04:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:I just realized he reinstated that deleted article three freaking times (). Doesn't that merit some kind of action? ] (]) 04:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*Well, if they had been warned earlier, maybe. is a remarkable edit for a newbie, but it doesn't rise to the level of that other editor, what was it, that Purplebomb or whatever. That they stopped editing is suggestive, but I cannot in good conscience argue "returning editor under throwaway account avoiding scrutiny" like I could for Cherrybomb. I'd let it go, and see what happens: my guess is they're gone. What we really need is a few SPIs and a ton of CU evidence, since (as you know) I have a hunch that there's only a few dozen K-pop editors and a million accounts--but until {{U|Bbb23}} gets out of their heavy involvement with other editors, that will be hard to come by. ] (]) 14:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*Shinyang, maybe you want to add ] and ] to your K-pop list? Thanks, ] (]) 14:44, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:*Actually the user just commented on an AFD yesterday. But I understand the predicament! It's all baffling to me ... all this over kpop! :) Will add those two items to the Korea-related discussion page - thanks! ] (]) 14:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:*Every single by TVXQ (the group whose song you AFD'd) has an article (see ]). Most look long but say pretty much nothing. See what I mean when I say this never ends? It takes a ton of work and fighting to AFD (or merge) even one of them and then there are a thousand more remaining. There's got to be a better way... Pleeeease? :) ] (]) 15:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::*I don't think there is a better way: as long as editors keep writing all that stuff up we have no choice but to deal with it the proper, policy-valid way. ] (]) 19:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::*Holy shit. Is that more than ]? Holy shit. ] (]) 19:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::*Well, as I said on a recent AFD, the ] ''was'' longer than the ], that of a man whose film career spans nearly 70 years. Kpop editors have no self-restraint at all and recent-ism is a huge problem. Huuuuuge problem. But I'm not telling you anything you don't know already, ha ha. I was just hoping there was a magic wand we could wave, ha ha. :D ] (]) 19:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

== WP:INVOLVED? ==

! I didn't even know we had a working relationship, fragile or otherwise. I once asked an editor who complained about another editor on my Talk page whether the other editor was being disruptive. The editor graciously and candidly said, no, not disruptive, just annoying. Afterwards I thought to myself what would happen to Misplaced Pages if all ''annoying'' editors were blocked. It would be so much easier to administer, wouldn't it? And then I thought what would happen if all annoying administrators were also blocked. There'd be only one bland sweet unproductive editor and one laid back robotic administrator chatting about what they're going to do today. After hours of discussion, they finally decide: we'll do the same thing we did yesterday. Cheers.--] (]) 04:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*Wait--whether you and I have a working relationship? We're like two peas in a pod! Wait--you involved with Flyer? Well, everyone is just about involved with everyone else. BMK knows I'd block him in a heartbeat if he starts talking musical comedy ''one more time'', even though he and I share a condo in Jersey. And , yeah, I find that potentially blockable as well. I believe that the blood of rattlesnakes should water the tyrant tree of liberties as much as the next guy/gal/zebra, but that sort of thing is asinine and I've blocked editors for similar edits also. ] (]) 14:22, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
**I had angelotti with morel mushrooms and fava beans for lunch. Not exactly peas but fava beans are soooo pretty, and the dish itself was lovely (taste-wise).--] (]) 22:31, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
***You are SO lucky. Mushrooms fall under a topic ban in my cooking room. ] (]) 01:43, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
]
*Wait, block me, I am annoying. My user page (head line "Hallelujah" because ] premiered on a 13 April, see OTD) shows "", and my talk the annoying image of monkeys, --] (]) 14:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:*Well, on the Swedish wiki you'd have been indeffed already! No monkey business! ] (]) 15:48, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::* Who, I? - monkeys yes, --] (]) 16:02, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::* ps: advice wanted, what would you do if someone described your user page like that? I tried to ignore so far but am not sure it's the right thing in this case, --] (]) 16:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::*Eh, I don't know--I guess I also would say nothing, or I'd say they were wrong. I actually don't see it because...well, it's rather cryptic (in the "workshop" section?). I clicked on two links, and the second one was to me, me! when we were merrily chatting about Saint B. So maybe there are links in there that Ernst think display all that, and maybe it's not a good idea to have such links on there, but it's hardly an ''open'' display of hostility etc. Given the atmosphere, it's probably best to say nothing. I sound like a broken record--there are many, many things that it seems we should just say nothing about. BTW, Ernst suggested I consider starting an RfC, but that's not going to happen: I'm on the fence on the general topic, sure, but I have the feeling that there is no neutral question to ask in the first place, and RfCs aren't typically "general". ] (]) 17:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::* Thank you for supporting what is easiest: nothing. An RfC is not useful because it seems rather a narrow corner of the project which can be avoided. The "logic" that I must be hostile because I have been restricted is easy but wrong ;) - I have not been in a single edit war in my career here (I mean: I have not made 3 reverts of the same thing in a day) and plan to keep it that way. --] (]) 17:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::*:Well, I can be a bit more explicit: ], I don't think that comment was really warranted and it's not in the best interest of the project. The content I think you were pointing at is clearly (IMO) not inflammatory enough (if at all) to be characterized thusly. Please consider striking it: it will make you look better in the eyes of ____ (fill in the blank). Thanks, ] (]) 17:43, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::* (after rehearsal, Brixi - Pärt - Mozart) clarifying: there is nothing to strike because it is part of a declined arb request which I had said to unwatch during the Holy Week. - It strikes me as odd that {{diff|User talk:Dr. Blofeld|651112327|651111877|I had to apologize}} for having told someone that ]. Obviously my idea of hostility is different. - The links on my user page help me to remember nice chats, - "pride and prejudice" is simply factual, - look for "laugh" for a laugh, and the infobox wars ] (which takes us back to here) ;) - Sadly, there are real victims, some listed under the monkeys. --] (]) 21:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::*:Gerda, I'm sorry, but I'm not following. I don't see where someone forced someone else to apologize for something, but more importantly, I don't see how that relates to "this", and by now I'm not even sure what "this" is: it was a comment by Bbb about someone altogether different, not related to ArbCom or infoboxes, as far as I'm aware. Too many things are starting to sound like marital disputes, and old age is becoming something of a blessing for me: I am beginning to forget, and that is not always a bad thing, unless one is in the classroom. I think back of my own disputes, my own inveterate enemies: I forgot most of them, and some of those enemies, I have no doubt, I get along with quite well because I forgot, they forgot, water under the bridge, who knows. Does anyone still remember I got blocked? Shouldn't I be saving diffs, maybe haunt the involved parties? If I wasn't this forgetful and shallow I might have bailed out long ago. ] (]) 01:41, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::* (sorry, also not related) I run a ] on which I found (by searching for today's date and following the links):
:::::::: "No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine" (2012)
:::::::: "enjoyment in Misplaced Pages" (2013)
:::::::: "Oh my god, how can (blank) not have a Misplaced Pages page?" (2014)
:::::::: ] (2012)
::::::: It helps me, day by day. --] (]) 07:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::: ps: do you hear me, ]? --] (]) 07:52, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
:*Condo in Jersey, eh? You have to have $7 mill in the bank and agree to pay $170 k in taxes a year for that. Even ] couldn't move there. So that's where all the donations have gone… ] (]) 15:45, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::*Blackmail? Mies is extorting you? How? What vast horrific secret does he know about you? ] (]) 15:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::*Can't tell you, or you'll be extorting me as well. ] (]) 16:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::*No worries Xanty. Just make sure you stick to the payment plan, or you'll be going to the shelter for a new hedgehog as well. ] (]) 17:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
* If all editors and administrators were blocked for being annoying, Jimbo would have a lot of work to do on this wiki by hisself because everyone is annoying to someone... I probably annoy more than not myself (yes, I know I do)... — <code class="nowrap">&#123;&#123;U&#124;]&#125;&#125; <sup>(] • ] • ])</sup></code> 18:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::I <s>seed</s> seen that monkey self-portrait done as a ] in the local garden centre- it were horrible. ] (]) 15:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

== Editing restrictions ==
Hello, ], <br>
I came across an editor who has a clear editing restriction (she can not create new categories) and not only was it imposed upon her account several years ago but it was reaffirmed two years later. But when I look at ], I find her case isn't listed in the tables. I'd ask the last admin (]) who dealt with the situation about it but he hasn't been active lately.

I use to come across instances like this before when I was new to editing on a regular basis and I wasn't sure what action to take. The way it is with these cases, the only way any admin or editor would know that an editing restriction exists is if they went searching back into user talk page archives (and not all editors archive their talk pages) or if they had a very good memory. Any advice on what should be done? Thanks! <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 15:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*Typically such restrictions come out of an AN or ANI discussion, so plowing through those archives is helpful. Where was it set up? where was it reaffirmed? ] (]) 17:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:: Oh, I haven't gone through the AN/ANI archives, I just saw notices of the topic ban violations on the user's talk page and in their archives. The editor is ] and I believe that the editing restriction was against creating categories and perhaps creating articles, too. Usually what I see are notes on an editor's talk page with no logging of the topic ban/editing restriction. I guess in future cases, I'll just bring it to the attention of an admin, ideally, the one that imposed the topic ban. <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 18:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Here are some related links:
:::*{{userlinks|Venustar84}}
:::*{{userlinks|Neptunekh2}}
:::*]
:::There was not a formal community ban of Venustar84 from categories. But it was an admin warning issued by ], to , telling her not to create categories or mainspace articles. Neptunekh2 has been indef blocked as a sock of ], who can be viewed as a successor account. If Venustar84 is still having trouble after all this time, perhaps an indef block should be considered. Editing restrictions have value only for those who are able and willing to follow them. But I haven't researched the latest edits of Venustar84 to see if there is still a competence problem. ] (]) 18:53, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::Interesting. Thank you ]. {{U|Liz}}, what do you think? ] (]) 19:30, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::: Wow, thank you for doing all of the research, ]! Elen's words sure read like it was a formal editing restriction as Venustar84 received a warning two years later when she violated it and created new categories. She is an active editor and has created new categories recently but they were valid ones, they were not inappropriate. I brought it up to Drmies not because I was soliciting a block but because of my confusion on why editing restrictions like this one, which other admins should be aware of, aren't logged. The burden shouldn't be on the admin imposing a restriction to forever police the editing activities of an editor and, besides that, admins retire! Talk page messages get archived or deleted. This isn't the only time I've seen this occur either.
::::: Perhaps the issue is that this editing restriction wasn't sanctioned by the community and maybe ] only contains those kind of blocks. I think that is a mistake as it is way too easy for these cases to fall through the cracks. And I think it actually makes it more complicated if the editor wants the editing restriction reviewed. <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 21:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::Well, I haven't looked into it yet--what with this a Girl Scouts evening and all that--but yes, restrictions should be logged; I did not think that it was just for community-sanctioned restrictions. Logging them is kind of a hassle but it's important, and I'm glad you learned me something: "EDR". I remember having to look for it more than once; "editing restrictions" isn't an automatic alternative for "topic ban". Anyway, individual admins imposing bans are typically pursuant to ArbCom-sanctioned discretionary stuff, and that's probably not what we have here. Going to AN is always best. ] (]) 01:10, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, "Except as noted above, individual editors, including administrators, may not directly impose bans." ]. So, Liz, I guess you can get the ball rolling on AN, if you like, asking for a renewal/formalization of the ban, or you can let it go. As it stands right now, I don't think can be called a ban under our current understanding of "ban". ] (]) 01:16, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::::: Well, I have absolutely no desire to renew an old ban upon another editor and from what you write, it sounds like this ban is considered invalid and null in a 2015 Misplaced Pages environment. See, now if this ban was listed in the EDR, it could now be removed! I'll let you (or another admin) know when I see this happening again. <font face="Papyrus" size="4" color="#800080">]</font> <sup><font face="Times New Roman" color="#006400">] ]</font></sup> 17:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

== New proposal ==

pls see ] -- ] (]) 16:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
*An admin should simply assess the consensus ({{U|Begoon}} already asked for it) of the first proposal--surely someone can make sense of it and draw a general conclusion. I'd ask Floquenbeam, who never met a Gordian knot he couldn't cut through. ] (]) 17:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::Meh, I just restored it from the archives as an ongoing mess that had been archived prior to resolution. I've commented again, supporting Moxy's point. I don't personally think the conclusion is too hard, but I utterly endorse your endorsement of Floq as a Gordian knot cutter. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">]&thinsp;]</span> 18:07, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::: I got this same notice from Moxy but I wasn't sure about the appropriateness of voting on ] which seems, more than AN/I, to be the province of administrators. ] 18:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::{{U|Liz}}, can you remove whatever font size thing there is in your signature that disrupts the line spacing on the page? <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">]&thinsp;]</span> 19:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::: I don't see any problem and this has never been mentioned before to me. But I'll change to a simple signature in these comments. ] 21:28, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::Hmmm I see it but it wasn't really a problem for me--thanks, though, for listening. And now, of course, you're cool and simple like me! Even shorter! Liz...what a nice ring it has, doesn't it...short but insistent... Liz...then what? it suggests there's more to come, like in "listen!" ] (]) 01:04, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::: In the 1980s, a friend tried to convince me to spell it Lyz but that looks like the name of a player in a heavy metal band. So, it'll just be Liz-ten. Or the ever popular childhood taunt, Liz-zard. ] 17:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::::They said that? What dicks. But hey, you're you, and they're still losers. ] (]) 05:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! == == A barnstar for you! ==


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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Happy New Year, Drmies! In 2024, other editors thanked you using the ] on the English Misplaced Pages. This made you the '''#11 most thanked Wikipedian in 2024'''. Congratulations and, well, ''thank you'' for all that you do for Misplaced Pages. Here's to 2025! ] (]) 19:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
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*Ha, thanks--and I don't have enough time for either one... ] (]) 17:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC) *Haha thanks, {{U|Mz7}}--and I just hit you with a +2! ] (]) 15:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:: Support barnstar, sorry about Herz ausschütten ;) --] (]) 17:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC) *{{U|Bbb23}}, happy new year, and how is it that you are thanked more than me??? I thought I was the good cop! ] (]) 15:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
:: ] ;) --] (]) 13:02, 15 April 2015 (UTC) **It's a conspiratorial ploy by the perps to cozy up to the bad cop.--] (]) 16:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
***Shoot I just thanked ] for an edit, and she was already ahead of me. ] (]) 17:54, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

{{User QAIbox
== Requesting your involvement in one of our landmark controversies ==
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, he said, because he can't help himself with silly little plays on words. It looks like the month long article lock on ] has expired with no real changes. I think maybe it might help if someone who isn't counted as being a POV pusher of one "side" or the other were to maybe help out in framing the dispute for either RfC's or mediation. With maybe one exception, I think most of the editors involved would think that you have displayed some knowledge of the subject and try to come across as being as fair as possible. Granted, anyone else who sees this is more than welcome to chime in as well, but I was wondering if you might be willing to at least help frame the dispute so that mediation can be attempted, and, maybe, willing to take part to some degree in the mediation. ] (]) 20:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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*John, I really don't know. I don't know if I have it in me, and honestly, maybe I have lost the brainpower to deal with these complexities. I look at these disputes and I can't help but wonder, what does it matter? What's the fuss? I appreciate the kind words, and I like to think that I've been a straight shooter (or, equal-opportunity offender...), and I suppose I would like to help get one problem out of the world (our world). Where's all the others? Why isn't {{U|NE Ent}} doing this? You know, I can say I'll look at it, and I might even mean that: but before I can do that I have work to do, real work--I'm teaching 2666 in a semester full of epics and that should come first. In other words, I just can't promise anything except for my good intentions.<p>OK. Time to put the kids to bed and get to work. Maybe, maybe. Thanks for the note, John. (And, again, what a TERRIBLE movie you are!) ] (]) 01:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
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:*{{tps}} An article in '']'' 14 December 2003 by Amelia Hill refers to the destruction of its main New York office in the Twin Towers. Haven't found any other mention of this. An article in Huff Post seems pretty good. ] (]) 16:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
:::* As explained on my talk, I hope I do more real thank-you than lazy click-thanks ;) - Happy new year 2025, opened with ] that first sounded OTD in 1725 (as the Main page has). --] (]) 18:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::*Does seem similar to me to Chinese methods of re-education under Mao (studied them under a Professor from ]), but those had an ideological purpose and an overt ideology to be imparted. This might be how the accusations of cult arise; if the methods are used without an underlying ideology, what mental framework is being constructed? ] (]) 21:03, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
:::* ], my ] 300 years after the first performance, is up for GAN. ] will be my story tomorrow. --] (]) 21:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
:::*There actually is acknowledged to be an underlying ideology, at least in one of the more recent sources, although it seems that the promoters of Landmark are maybe less than enthusiastic about talking about it. And at least for me the primary reason for wanting something done about this is that, to the best of my knowledge, anyway, one of our best and most productive editors, particularly working in fields which don't get a lot of attention, is so far as I can tell working against more than one person with serious COI or POV problems, and that makes it problematic. Other admins have acknowledged seeing evidence of COI elsewhere, although the editors involved seem to deny it still. And, taking into account some of the hits the group has had in the press lately, it seems not unreasonable that the COI/POV wing is trying to pretty up the content for generally unacceptable reasons.
:::*From my own perspective, the primary concern here is about how to deal with entities which have had a lot of name changes, and which try to reinvent themselves with each name change. This, unfortunately, isn't that uncommon among new religious movements which encounter problems, but it does make it harder to determine how many articles we should have, and what material should go where. Having some sort of precedent of how to deal with such topics would, I think, be useful in a lot of our business content, and some of our pop culture content. Most of the time, with maybe only a few exceptions in NRMs like Scientology and Falun Gong which come to mind, we don't have a lot of precedent of how to deal with such matters, and it would be useful to have clear precedents for the groups or ideas which seem to constantly rename themselves in the attempt to divorce themselves from their history. ] (]) 21:22, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
::::*Anyway, found the details- they leased the whole of the 15th floor of Tower 1 of the World Trade Center, but only three of the staff were in the building (not the office). According to a volunteer "everyone showed up late that day". A Landmark press release of 17 December 2002 stated ''Although LE's offices were lost in the tragedy of 9/11, fortunately, its entire staff survived unharmed thanks to the heroics of the New York City’s police and firefighters. In commemorating the LE center, LE would like to honor the extraordinary commitment and heroism of firefighters and policemen in New York and throughout the United States of America by offering police and firefighters its core program, The Landmark Forum - free of charge.'' ] (]) 16:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

== Exact reason for page deletion? ==
You deleted page ] stating it wasn't explaining or proving why subject was notable. Well mate, that was really harsh. =) Many pages wandering here with no or little notability (many having just two/three sources only) ,while this article is of notable celebrity from Pakistan. Where does it say that a local has to be internationally famous as well to meet the criteria ? The person is in Top 5 reverbnation artists of Pakistan since last three years, have done print and electronic media interviews, acted in short films & theater plays, soon to be alumini of ], released official music video, while two more lined up for this year. And you still think it doesn't deserve to be in here ? Pls reconsider it mate, expecting positive vibes. =) Cheers! =)
*{{U|JoneCahill85}}, sorry, but I looked at it again and I don't see a very believable claim of importance; in fact, the article could have been nominated for deletion as purely promotional as well. Reverbnation, that's not much of a claim esp. if it isn't backed up by reliable secondary sources. References such as simply don't cut it per ], and if you're going to try again, maybe through ], you should consider finding better, more acceptable, more reliable sources. Thank you, ] (]) 01:19, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

== Flipora page vandalism again ==

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Flipora&action=history. You locked the Flipora page from edits in Feb to prevent the Haminoon and others from vandalizing it. You also personally reversed Haminoon's edits. Now, Haminoon has again made a malicious edit, by referencing a microsoft page last edited 4 years back, which refers to a defunct product. I request you to reverse this edit, since the page has now been locked for edits by regular users. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*Well, they reverted after your talk page post, I think, so I don't see a problem. BTW, I don't see how I could call their edit "malicious": I'm no mindreader, and it doesn't seem very malicious to me. ] (]) 05:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

== Peace is contagious is at it again ==

Another attempt to sabotage his own talk page, after being warned about that multiple times: Sadly, it seems that I was correct in my presumption of bad faith. I know, not very Wikipedian of me, but sometimes it is what it is. ] (]) 04:15, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
*Maybe, but I'm not going to indef someone because they screwed up on their own talk page. If they're to be indeffed it should be because of something big or really disruptive. When that happens, please let me know. ] (]) 05:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

::This guy obviously just has a "beef" with me (to use the vernacular) ...and much why I had the problem to begin with; after my initial errors, for which I apologized to Cyphoid Bomb. I'm not ENTIRELY familiar with the technicalities of WIki- I don't want a bunch of superfluous, non-didactic, accusatory melodrama on my Talk page...I prefer to "keep" the links & stuff I need (like a link to your page, so I can consult u if needed)

How do I "call" or 'tag' some1 into a post ? I'm familiar w/ Facebook nomenclature/methods, but not the HTML? or whatever is used here. I prefer u to "OK" my edit for BCS entries, as the ones there are clumsy, wordy & choppy. Thanx.] (]) 15:38, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

== Disruption at ] article ==

Hi Drmies, as an uninvolved administrator I wanted to ask for your assistance regarding an editor at the above named article (I'll explain why this isn't at ANI shortly). Just to bring you up to date, there is currently a discussion taking place regarding a part of the lede here -- Instead of participating and working towards consensus, user: Earl King Jr. went ahead and changed the lede. This may seem like a ''bold'' edit but if you've followed the article for awhile you would understand otherwise. To demonstrate the disruption taking place here, I looked at the source he provided and it doesn't support any of the changes he made; the lede is now subsequently filled with tags. Now one could just chalk this up to inexperience but that doesn't wash because Earl has been here a long time and clearly knows better. Regarding ANI, here are 3 brought against him and I saw a fourth: . If this were a high visibility article this type of behavior would have been addressed a long time ago by the community, but unfortunately that isn't the case. As you can imagine it's been a very frustrating experience and as a long term editor I prefer to spend my time elsewhere. If you don't have the available time to investigate this, I ask that you please advise me otherwise. Thank you in advance, ] (]) 10:22, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

The disruption continues. The user has now removed all of the tags without fixing the problems. -- ] (]) 08:09, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

And more disruption: -- ] (]) 11:30, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
*], there are so many editors involved in that article, with a thousand edits a day--can't this be solved on the talk page? To prove disruption for the last edit, for instance, you'd have to establish that the intermediary edits were valid and had some support. I don't mind looking a bit more, but I don't see much on the talk page that is helpful. And what is this, another Landmark-like case? ] (]) 19:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

== Assistance ==

No stress now, no "lousy" PSV'ers or F'ers, just good 'ole ], four favours if you please:

1 - please translate refs #12 and #13;<br>
2 - after that, please see if the refs are in any way reflected by the phrasing that accompanies them (if, in any way, it is reflected that he was a great goalscorer for Gent - if I'm not mistaken (I must be!), I think source #13 has him having scored eight times in nine matches - then refs are OK and encyclopedical I guess);<br>
3 - can you find a reference that has him as captain for Gent? I browsed the Dutch-speaking web, found nothing;<br>
4 - if the last bit of storyline, the transfer controversies, is in no way reflected by the joint-refs (#19 and #20), please do remove/compose, don't want to harm Mr. Foley's reputation in any way (even though I did not write that bit in any way, I just felt it was a very important part of his career and that is thus belonged in the article, provided it is TRUE/ref'd).

Kind regards, thanks very much in advance --] (]) 01:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

:1 is done; ref 13 does indeed say that he scored 8 times in 9 matches. Best regards, ] -] 04:25, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much kind TPS, from Portugal --] (]) 11:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

*Thanks "adouble", ''saúde''! So, do you think you can find a Dutch-speaking ref where it says that Foley was Gent's captain at that given time (I wager "käpitan" is the word, or not? If not, damn you Google Translator :)) --] (]) 01:49, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
**Sure thing. The word you're almost at is "kapitän", which is German for "captain"--in the naval sense. The Dutch word you're looking for is "aanvoerder". a note. ] (]) 02:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Duly retrieved to article. Peace! --] (]) 13:31, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

==Thanx 4 ur patience==

I'm more of a casual user, if I catch a rerun, I try to add trivia & detail, there happened tyo be a BCSaul marathon the day my problems started for that page...unfortunately I was adding the detail in the wrong place. I'm also not sure of alot of the technical html? ...bc I didn't think it was all that important, I like writing, but now I"m forced to learn it. Thanx ! ] (]) 15:09, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

== ChildofMidnight sockpuppet? ==

Hi. You've tracked down sockpuppets of ] before, so wondered what you thought of the edits of AlphaJotaZed, who has been rapidly creating very short, mildly promotional articles about junk food in Florida, similar redirects, etc. Thanks, ] (]) 16:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
*Interesting thought. Note the overlap with Candleabracadabra on ]--it's not much yet, but it fits a pattern. Then again, if ] can be deleted the normal way (strikes me as indeed promotional), and if there is none of the immense assholishness we're all so familiar with... {{U|Kelapstick}}? {{U|Coffee}}? ] (]) 17:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
**If I get to an actual computer I will have a look. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 19:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
***Definitely the same person... I've blocked the sock account indefinitely, and re-blocked ChildofMidnight for another year. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; ] // ] // ] // </small> 01:15, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
****Thanks {{U|Coffee}}, and thanks {{U|Dai Pritchard}}. ] (]) 03:56, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

:Hm. Lord knows I was no CoM fan, and had a fair bit of a hand in his departure, but the contribs of this "AlphaJotaZed" account seem to be above-board. No edits to project-space, no political BLPs. Why not just let em putter along creating articles? ] (]) 12:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
:*That's a fair question, Tarc--as you may know, I have never objected to CoM's return as long as it's a drama-free return. If necessary a topic ban on American politics (and/or Floridian restaurants, Jimbo's talk page, whatever) can be added. But I think that CoM was always too proud to accept that, and he didn't make any friends by being such an asshole when he was called Candleabracadabra (just ask {{U|Viriditas}}). In the meantime, though, what we have is a prolific sock master who has been plenty disruptive in the past, and whose socks establish themselves in all kinds of positive ways and then just seem to explode into incivility, passive-aggressiveness, and whining. (CoM, if you're reading this, I'm ''sure'' you appreciate I call em as I see em.) But, I repeat, I would rather have an editor like CoM on board, openly, than socking. CoM has done Misplaced Pages a lot of good. ] (]) 15:34, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

== Here is that horrible guy again... ==

... with a polite request.

A colleague just moved restaurant ] to ]. Unfortunately, that was incorrect. "Aan de Zweth" is a new restaurant albeit on the location of the former De Zwethheul. But I am unable to move the restaurant back to where it belongs. Please, pretty please? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 20:43, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
*Is the new restaurant notable? I don't see it. {{U|Gruesome Gary}}, it seems to me you were a bit too quick on the draw. If there's anything to respond to, please do so on the article talk page. For now, I'm going to move the article back and delete ], no redirect, since the new restaurant does not appear to me to be notable. If it is, you can restore/recreate it, but I suppose it will need new references for new content on this new restaurant. ] (]) 02:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
**The new restaurant started after 8 January 2015 with "a young talented chef" and a new crew. Not too many Google hits, but a promising guy who worked in well known restaurants. Someone for the future.
**As soon as he has his Michelin star, we squeeze a load of money out of the Foundation and start checking the sources that they cook excellent there! <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 02:58, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

== Peace is contagious ==

Drmies, would you mind dropping by our friend PIC's contribution page and the article for ]? He's begun edit warring again, is not responding to consensus or editor feedback and is back hacking up summaries to suit his own indecipherable set of rules. Thanks! --] (]) 23:36, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
:Yup, he has also been ignoring your final TPO warning by further sabotaging his talk page, and arrogantly dismissing editors with comments like this one: . Besides, he appears to have been indefinitely blocked in the past for legal threats (I'm not even sure what that means). He has been on a disruptive binge for years now. ] (]) 02:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::First of all, I see no "sabotage" in . EauZenetc., if you're calling for an indefinite block based on ''that'' claim you are totally barking up the wrong tree. It makes me want to warn you for making false accusations. Drmargi, as triggerhappy as I am, I'm not going to indef the editor for because, as far as I can see, they're not edit warring (they're not reverting-- is in a different section). I also don't see the incompetence we saw earlier (grammatically, for instance). Now, I agree the talk page discussion suggests they are editing against consensus. At the same time, you all do appear to be ganging up, and this is aggravated by this rather phony "sabotage" claim and some irrelevant commentary pertaining to events from long ago. I will block the editor again, but again not yet indefinitely: Drmargi, you've been around the block here; I hope ''you'' will understand why in these circumstances I am hesitant to block indefinitely at this point. Thanks. ] (]) 02:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|Drmies}} I was referring to removals of some 1,500 characters at a time. Obviously, I wasn't calling for an indef block based on the edit you linked to, I am still calling for an indef block because I see an editor who appears to enjoy exhausting the rest of us with childish games. I am unsure why you would turn this against me. Then again, maybe I am seeing this all wrong. ] (]) 04:21, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::::I think I explained well enough what I thought was troubling. But while we're on the topic of careful writing, your "this" in your third sentence has no clear antecedent, and what I'm "turning against you" is your own set of accusations. I really resent it when someone with a couple hundred edits goes around making false (or at least inflated accusations) trying to get someone blocked. In the meantime you may have noticed that I did block that editor, and gave a pretty detailed explanation, so you're welcome. ] (]) 04:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Gotcha. I'm a lousy noob who cannot even write properly. Please forgive the imperfections you may find in my writing, as English is only a third language to me. From now on, I will let the other editors vent their frustrations with you, because apparently I haven't earned my rights here yet. Forgive the sarcasm but your remark was actually offensive. ] (]) 04:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::You can imagine all the insults you like, and you can play the victim in any language you choose. But if you're accusing someone (by now you've accused Peace is contagious as well as me of inappropriate behavior), you should choose your words very carefully. ] (]) 14:29, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::And was not OK. ] (]) 14:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::: Drmies, in response to you comments above, thank you for your speedy attention to PIC, which was badly needed to head off a second round of the edit warring and accompanying issues that lead to PIC's first block. That said, please don't tar me with the same brush as Eau. If you'll glance at my comments here and on PIC's talk page again, you'll see I wasn't looking for any particular action beyond your looking in on the situation, and had no particular expectations for what you might do. I've tried to take the most moderate and lowest key action possible. It's Eau who wants the indef; I've never stated an opinion as to what action should be taken beyond the language already on the templates. In fact, I was attempting to step away from the whole situation for the most part, as my edit history should show you. That said, I felt it was time to drop a note on your talk page when I saw three things of concern: a. PIC's response] to Cyphoidbomb's comments on his talk page, ; b. the attempt at a discussion (good) v. editing over consensus (problem) that had begun at BCS; and; c. Eau's potentially inflammatory posting a couple places, and knew it was time to get some help. I left a post on Eau's talk page suggesting his post-block comments were reading, at least to me, as though he was taunting PIC; I'm concerned Eau may be becoming almost as big a problem (albeit of a different sort) as PIC if he doesn't adopt a more moderate tone, as evidenced by his comments above, and hoped to head him off before he inflamed the situation. Meanwhile PIC's actions of the 24 hours or so prior to your block indicated he was ratcheting up again, and something had to be done before it got ugly once more. So I came and got you, and asked you to take a look. That's all.

::: That said, I do have to disagree that we're "ganging up" on PIC. Drovethrughosts, Cyphoidbomb and I have tried to deal with him in a reasonable manner throughout this mess, and particularly since he came off the first block, which has gotten us nowhere. We all have variations on the same issues with PIC: that this is not an editor writing an encyclopedia or who really understands what we're here to do (in general) and that there are notable issues with the versions of the episode summaries that he's writing (style over substance, poor writing, lack of clarity, interpretive language, and more) that means we feel reverting wholesale changes to summaries without consensus is the appropriate course of action. Drovethru was pretty reasonable the last time around; PIC is capable of some good editing (as I've noted all along) and Drovethru left those edits alone. I didn't step in until a genuinely problematic edit summary was reverted in for I think the third time, and it was clear the war was on again. I immediately left a warning for PIC then having seen what he'd written on his talk page regarding an admin, came to get your help. I'm an academic, and I teach writing routinely; consequently I have real issues with the clarity, cohesion, thoroughness, choice of vocabulary and accuracy of the writing in those edit summaries. PIC appears to be creating a new "template" if you will for edit summaries that's about some sort of thematic analysis versus what they should be: a clear, concise and informative summation of the events of the episode. His priorities (minor details over critical events) are not compatible with ] and what an edit summary should be in the view of the community. His editing seems pointy, and he takes and "I'm right, they're wrong" stance based on his reading of policy. Moreover, rather than attempting to work with us, he largely seems determined to find a way to do what he wants, at least based on my reading of some recent comments. That was enough to justify the one revert I made. Frankly, I thought I was pretty doggoned restrained under the circumstances.

::: Hopefully, this block will give PIC enough time to decide another article might be the best place to focus his efforts, or that he will decide that collaboration on BCS is the way forward. The season is over, and interest will wain. That's a good thing, I hope. --] (]) 13:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

::::], I hope you saw that my problem wasn't really with you. I don't disagree with your assessments either--but I ''hate'' it when editors are trying backhanded ways to get someone blocked. No admin in their right mind would block indefinitely for minor violations to TPO. If it hadn't been for the talk page discussion it would have been somewhat difficult anyway to establish the behavior was disruptive since it wasn't a clear-cut case of edit warring. This is why I am a big fan of the talk page discussion, where consensus can be reached which , consequently, can lead to a valid charge of disruption and editing against consensus.<p>What editors like the one above seem to forget is that you're asking a favor of an admin, in a kind of personal manner (here, on my talk page), and that's fine if it's a reasonable request couched in reasonable terms, as you did. If it's done as if somehow I ''owe'' it to someone to slap indefinite blocks around for totally minor infractions, yeah, no one likes that, me least of all. My time on WP is somewhat limited and I have little patience for bullshit. If the editor had taken that specific complaint ("sabotage") to ANI they would have been laughed out of court--instead, I get all this piss and vinegar on my beautiful talk page.<P>BTW, that's you and me both: I'm getting ready to teach Business and Professional writing this summer (Searles being my textbook of choice). I saw plenty of problems with Peace's summaries, but that's a content matter, and I saw problems with the other versions as well. Admins can't go around blocking for ''that'', as you well know. Peace is headed for an indefinite block, but I always prefer it if that path is clear, without misleading talk about minor matters. Hey, perhaps you should consider running for admin! ] (]) 14:27, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::::One more thing, Drmargi: when I said that the editor was not really edit warring because they hadn't reverted, I wasn't saying that ''you'' were edit warring because you did revert. Just wanted to make that clear: I have no complaints about you, and you have been plenty restrained. ] (]) 14:33, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

::::: Oh, gosh. Sorry if I over-reacted, and did see you didn't have a problem with me, yes. This has been a touchy situation between PIC, Eau and the difficulty getting help from anyone on ANI. I can see how it all hit a nerve in retrospect, but wanted to be sure you knew I just wanted to give you a heads up before things got out of hand again. I do think the block was a wise decision, though, solely because of the escalation on BCS again. We can but hope it will have more of an effect this time, although I'm not optimistic. That said, I do agree he's probably not at the indef stage yet, although he's sure headed that way if he doesn't make better editorial choices pretty durned quick! I just left Eau a message about the difference between the what and the how of his actions, hoping he'll understand my issue isn't what he's doing with PIC, but that how he's doing it, and how he's dealt with you, aren't helping. He seems to think I've thrown him under some metaphorical bus (ah, the joys of the cliche). That's a shame, because his heart is in the right place, but his execution is rapidly going off the rails, and he's going to find himself in an admin's sights, too.

::::: I teach writing for teachers in preparation, which means I have to be anal in the extreme. Trying to get undergraduates to think of themselves as models of good writing, and about the detail work in their writing is such a pain, especially when I have to evaluate every piece they do as though I was a parent receiving it from my child's teacher. It gets trying, and I'm sure lessens my tolerance for the kind of nonsensical writing we get from PIC (and that's without considering the horrors of his talk page.) And I did understand you didn't think I was edit warring, but it did sound as though you thought I was asking for a block, which concerned me. As for me running for admin, I'm not made of stern enough stuff to go through the process, and my work isn't broad or deep enough to satisfy the requirements. I'm a casual editor at best, and that's probably best given the time I have to devote to the place. But thank you for the compliments. No one has ever said that before, and it made me smile. --] (]) 23:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

*Just for the record: this edit here - - was not taunting at all, but rather a commentary on PIC's taunting of another editor with irrelevant and offensive remarks about Judaism and Atheism. About what you "owe" - all I was asking was for an admin to do the right thing for Misplaced Pages's sake. This is not about "backhanded ways", this is not about me "demanding" something for myself - this is me, trying to do the right thing. I obviously don't know my way around noticeboards like ANI too well, and you're the only admin I've encountered so far. I was hoping you would show me the ropes, like one would reasonably expect from a "responsible adult". Instead, you slammed me time and time again - why? Because you saw it as me trying to "tell you what to do", and "how dare I"? I am seriously confused right now, and will use this opportunity to ask for help once more. I hope that, out of your own free choice, you will decide to extend your hand to me because I never intended for this situation to escalate to such ridiculous proportions. Thank you in advance. ] (]) 14:45, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:*OK. That comment was in response to an old comment, which because of the editor's strange talk page behavior (there's a different between "strange" and "wrong", of course) is pulled out of context anyway. What's the point of commenting on it? Besides, you're accusing the editor of having "problems"--that could count as a personal attack, since--in principle--it's no better than Peace's taunting. Maybe you're frustrated, maybe you're angry that things aren't going fast enough etc., but that's just the nature of the beast. And let's remind ourselves that Peace most likely thinks that they're also doing "the right thing" for Misplaced Pages, and that "right" and "wrong" really don't apply in a case like this: "with" or "against consensus" are more applicable. Someone else here said that if we had to block everyone who acts like a dick, only me and {{U|Bbb23}} would be left. OK, they didn't say ''that'', but they could have.<p>As I've said again and again, one of my problems was with your characterization of the editor's talk page behavior as "sabotage", which ''means'' a deliberate attempt to disrupt--you don't need knowledge of Misplaced Pages's guidelines for that: all you need is a dictionary. As for slamming you time and time again: I disagree with that characterization--I feel like I keep saying the same thing over and over again because you weren't listening. I'm perfectly happy to drop it, but if you keep coming back for more, yeah. I have no intention of making your life difficult, and I got nothing against you, and I can work with just about everyone, but you seem a bit overeager to me in your characterization of the other editor. As an admin, I can't be overeager when it comes to things like indefinite blocks: I need good reasons and solid evidence, produced for the right reasons, and presented neutrally and dispassionately. Thanks, ] (]) 17:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

== More award shenanigans ==

SuperHamster here again with another episode of pseudo game awards. {{IP|149.151.77.226}} continues to be active with adding fake nominations, most recently to ]. Could a block be in order? Maybe page protection, but they've only managed to edit the page twice and other IPs have contributed positively, so I'd rather not. '''~'']'']''' <small>] ]</small> 03:45, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Hey, could you close ] and make the appropriate adjustments to ]? 100% of responders, including both Catflap and myself, have agreed that an IBAN is desirable. I'm asking you in particular because you're also the moamst qualified to answer ]'s recent questions as to whether Tristan noir's Japanese literature TBAN applies to me as well, and whether EDR's caution to me not to "poke the bear" applies to my interactions with other users as well and I should be generally more careful than the average Wikipediann. ] (<small>]]</small>) 03:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
*My dear Hijiri, I think that those questions are best asked on ANI. Also, I am really not interested in perusing your contributions to see if you're poking anyone or not: in all honesty, I probably like you fine, but you write way too many words. You're not the only one, of course--that ANI tread is huge. ] (]) 04:17, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

== What's your problem? ==

Please explain to me where you get off ripping out half that page, destroying many hours of my work, as "facebook chit chat"? And what exactly did I add that was "promotional" or made up? Every single fact came from the BBC piece, who aren't exactly known for writing promotional facebook chit chat. And I was being extremely careful to keep it focused and relevant, I purposely left out overly trivial or irrelevant information. So, what have I missed? Is there some definition of trivial or encyclopedic or promotional or any of these other words that is different on Misplaced Pages than in the real world? Or are you just a massive jerk? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

And now I'm being warned for attacking you, the guy who ripped up hours of my work and accused me of adding promotional madeup facebook chit chat. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Drmies has 99 problems. Don't come off as confrontational. People here just looooooove to give out warnings. It's a power thing. That said, Drmies is a reasonable fellow and I can assure you he took no pleasure in deleting your work. He will explain why he did what he did and will probably suggest how you can tweak the changes you wish to make. Best of luck. ]<span style="font-style:italic"><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></span> 05:39, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
*Well, Morphin Power Ranger, I'm sorry, but the content you added was totally conversational, unverified, chatty, and very unencyclopedic. It read like you were writing up your uncle to promote his memoirs, but this is an encyclopedia. I'm sorry also if that took hours to write. ] (]) 14:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
*For those of you aiming to improve the article, see . But this is kind of creepy: "For most of this epic journey, Holtorf was accompanied by his fourth wife, Christine. They formed an extraordinary 20-year partnership, in which Otto was a third and equal member." Otto is the car. ] (]) 14:07, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::A clear case of Otto-eroticism.. ] (]) 13:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
::We should all be grateful that it wasn't ] who was the car. ] (]) 14:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Otto is lucky he didn't get a Chicago Sunroof.]<span style="font-style:italic"><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></span> 17:46, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
:::In all fairness, that was the BBC being playful. Not creepy at all in context of the article. ]<span style="font-style:italic"><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub></span> 17:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
::::*"Another vehicle is coming towards Gunther Holtorf without slowing. It’s going to be a tight fit." ] (]) 17:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Needless to say, I don't accept apologies which merely perpetuate the attitude established by previous encounters, and is being maintained right up to now - "I'm sorry also if that took hours to write" (where "that" refers to the unverified/misrepresented/promotional/chit-chat)..."save it for your Facebook page"..."For those of you aiming to improve the article"..."It's like teaching Freshman Comp".

The version I wrote is not unverified, it complies with Citing Sources-General References. I did not introduce original research, every fact and every opinion was faithfully reproduced from the source, without being direct verbatim copying.

You deleted all mention of his wife, despite it clearly being basic encyclopedic information, and the one sentence you crafted yourself, actually misrepresented the source and introduced basic factual errors (he did not start the Jakarta map after retiring, and he did not make money from it before retiring).

That only leaves issues which are entirely subjective, and in those, you are not my superior, I am not your inferior. You can either get people to agree with you, or you can't. Brute force is not good enough. If this is a collaboration, then your summary dismissals of entire pages of text for varied incompatible reasons explained in single words is wholly insufficient, not only for common sense reasons, but per Misplaced Pages's own rules. I carefully vetted the information I added for relevance, and quite obviously, encyclopedic information presented in conversational style is preferable to no information at all. ] (]) 19:13, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
*I think your talk page is evidence enough of where agreement lies, or who is trying to apply "brute force". Happy days, ] (]) 20:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh sure, one other person also mentioned my writing style. Unlike you, they were good enough to acknowledge that without examples that feedback is practically useless, and I should probably seek out people actually willing to help. They also didn't resort to insulting me, or include in their criticism any false accusations about how I misuse sources or include unverified claims. Still, if that makes you feel better about what you did, then yes, happy days indeed. ] (]) 21:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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==Problem with a closure==

Recently I had closed a withdrawn proposal and forgot that I am involved. Although it looks so fixed, no clear agreement for support, mostly opposed and proposal is withdrawn too. Can you approve my closure or close it yourself? While the ] shall continue to have its run, it was opened by a different user(Jzg) and issues are different. ] (]) 01:05, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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== Let it go ==

I was sort of hoping someone would advise me in a friendly way to , and so I will for a while. Thanks! ] (]) 04:30, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
*...I don't care, what they're going to say..." ] (]) 04:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
:: Editor can't be convinced that it is not permissible to refactor other users' comments. I know you've got yer own style, but I'm gonna pitch talk page access revocation for the duration of the block. If they're not doing it to get a rise, I'd be surprised. ] (]) 06:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
:::], those are his own ramblings he's editing. ] (]) 15:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
::::I'm a frickin idiot. Shouldaletitgo. Shouldaletitgo. Shouldaletitgo... {{P|28}} ] (]) 18:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::No worries. ] (]) 23:42, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

== "Non-neutral editor" ==

Drmies, I am trying to remove blatant editor bias from some controversial articles on here. Removal of opinion and bias is not non-neutral, it is the opposite. I don't appreciate the tolerance for bias from some of the editors on here as long as it coincides with their beliefs. Rightly or wrongly Misplaced Pages is a place where much of the world seeks truth. Regarding IP hopping, I can't help it. Every time I connect I am granted a new IP. I realize this is problematic as far as tracking my edits goes, but there's nothing I can do to maintain a static IP address even if I wanted to. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Of course you can help it: get an account. But you're seriously edit warring on the one article, so my blocking that one IP, while useless, was warranted, and so was my protecting both articles. Now, you have a choice: you can keep editing articles, different articles, and I'll semi-protect them when I see them. This is a game that sometimes you'll win, and sometimes I'll win, at least in the short term; in the long term, you lose since your edits will be reverted on sight. Or you can go see the talk page and at least pretend to present an argument and win other editors for you, which is the way things ought to be done. Good luck, and thanks for your note, ] (]) 04:54, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
**I just might get an account. I agree that the ban was warranted since I was edit-warring. As far as using the talk page, it doesn't seem to matter because certain editors or groups of editors have more or less claimed ownership of certain controversial pages and decided to ignore what the majority of people argue for on the talk pages. On the 'IQ and the Wealth Of Nations' page the editor WeijiBaikeBianji said "There are plenty of policy-based reasons for not displaying the table. See article talk page." Another editor claimed that the map was "non-encyclopedic content", whatever that means. I viewed the talk page and virtually all of the comments about whether or not to show the map are in favor of showing it arguing that it is censorship not to show it. I did not see a single "policy-based reason" not to show it. Why is this tolerated? Is there a Misplaced Pages-wide policy that I'm not aware of to sanitize content that may not be politically correct? <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:04, 18 April 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::*{{tps}} <s>I see the "average IQ value" for Liechtenstein, Monaco, San Marino and Vatican City is above 105 (but not Andorra, for some strange reason- must be all that duty-free booze). The education system in Senegal must be top-notch. Then there's those two blobs in the Caribbean- apparently two adjacent islands (which I can't identify) are top and bottom of the IQ range.</s> Did you know Canadians are slightly more intelligent than Americans? And Norwegians are brighter than Swedes? (Sorry Hafs). Based on "estimates by Lynn and Vanhanen". Hmmm… Lynn's based in NI, which probably explains why it's coloured ten points higher than Ireland. These estimated figures are "averages", which implies that half the population of (for example) South Africa are "moderately impaired or delayed" (Stanford-Binet), since their IQ is supposedly below 65. The map is rubbish. ] (]) 06:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
::::*Whether or not the map is "rubbish" isn't necessarily relevant. The Misplaced Pages page is about a book by two university professors, and the map was contained in that book. As long as the map is presented in the context of being the findings of the set of researchers who authored the book, I don't see a problem with displaying it. Not everybody disputes the findings of the authors and it's not up to Misplaced Pages to decide which scientific claims are truthful or not, the various arguments for and against their findings should obviously be presented and the reader can make up their own mind. As far as Canadians being smarter than Americans, considering the ethnic mix of America compared to Canada that would comport with the findings of these researchers. Whether or not those findings are correct is certainly debatable, but I don't see the value in censoring how those findings are presented on Misplaced Pages. Considering that the editor WeijiBaikeBianji has a picture of James Flynn on his page it's pretty clear that he has an unchecked bias in favor of the "Flynn effect" when it comes to editing topics regarding intelligence research. (<small>—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)</small>)
::::::Misread the scale- the grey areas are "N/A", hence struck-out comments. ] (]) 11:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::::I did not judge the content one way or another. Nor do I think you'll gain much traction by using words like "censorship". I'm telling you, it's a fight that in the long run you probably can't win, and the best thing to do is to make it a discussion, on the talk page, not a fight--also, that makes you look good, and you've done quite a bit already here to redeem yourself from being "just" an IP-hopping edit warrior. Well done.<p>Two things. ] is the formal process, and RfCs typically attract more attention than regular talk page discussions. Second, don't paint your opponents this way or that already--by doing so you a. make yourself look like the POV warrior they may think you are, and b. you have made them into Eternal Enemies rather than colleagues you might could convince. And a third thing, if you start that RfC, find the talk page for the most relevant WikiProject you can think of and advertise it there, in neutral terms. All this neutral stuff is ''essential''; I frequently close RfCs early, or with "no consensus", because it wasn't neutrally phrased, and I've seen many an RfC devolve into namecalling. Good luck. Xanty, you've not yet said a good thing about the Dutch today, so you're doing dishes today. ] (]) 13:28, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh well… I hope you put the pans in to soak. I hate scraping off burnt custard. ] (]) 13:57, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::Burnt grits are almost as bad. So don't worry: I know, and I wouldn't try to make it extra hard on you. ] (]) 15:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

== OCD question ==

OK, so I know that the i-ban between Hijiri and Catflap was supported by both of them, but I don't necessarily see that you left them messages that the i-ban has been enacted. Maybe it is just OCD on my part, but would it be reasonable to notify both of them of the i-ban on their talk pages or not? ] (]) 14:13, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
*Oh, right. Yeah, I suppose--I pinged them, and I logged it, but I guess I should notify them too. Which reminds me: I looked at Landmark a few days ago, for quite some time. I looked at the most recent RfC and the attendant edits--it seemed to be on the level, no? ] (]) 00:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
**{{ping|Astynax}} probably knows the answer to that better than I do, considering the amount of work he has gone through in researching it, which is, to my eyes, nothing short of amazing. I know from his previous work on the ] he basically finds just about every source out there on a topic when he deals with it for some time, and it sure looks like that here. The big question still, to my eyes, is about how we divide up the content relating to an entity like this which has gone through multiple name changes resulting in multiple articles, and how to structure those articles in the optimum way. It is worth noting that some of those (several) editors whom others have had COI issues with seem to be less active in editing the article itself, although it also seems to me, having not checked the full history, that there is some possibly tendentious repetitiveness going on at the talk page which isn't going to help matters much, and might be, in the eyes of some, problematic in itself. Maybe. He would know better. ] (]) 19:12, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

== Long time... and a favor ==

Hello, I haven't been following your talk page (much too intellectual for the likes of me). I hope you're well, and everything's good with your family.


== "]" listed at ] ==
Could you please take a look at ? I'm not requesting any admin action, I would just like your professional opinion on the stance I've taken. I trust your judgment (not sure why :)), and if you tell me that I'm wrong, I'll drop the whole thing. Drop me a note on my talk page, or send me an e-mail or whatever, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, ] (]) 17:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
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*Hey {{U|Beyond My Ken}}, I have a somewhat professional opinion. I do not think that "male" and "female", used as substantives, are OK. I mean, we're talking about nouns, right? I'm not sure what the stance is you're talking about; if that's in terms of who reverted what how many times etc., I have no opinion since I have not looked at it. But in the context of "camel toe", I don't see why "woman" would be insensitive or sexist or something like that, or why "female" would be better. When my students write those words as substantives in their papers, I tell them that we're not in biology class. ] (]) 22:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
The redirect <span class="plainlinks"></span> has been listed at ] to determine whether its use and function meets the ]. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Misplaced Pages:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 January 1#Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Traditional monarchy (2nd nomination)}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 01:25, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
::No, I just meant my stance that "woman" was the appropriate word to use in that conetxt, and not "female". Thanks so much for taking a look, I feel better about continuing to toe my line. ] (]) 22:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)


== Mail ==
== Unnecessary comment at ANI ==


] borders on harassment. ] (]) 22:26, 18 April 2015 (UTC) {{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)


== Edits to Columbia High School (New Jersey) ==
:Oh pshaw. I suggest you learn what "harassment" means, both in the plain-English sense and in terms of ]. ] (]) 23:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
::I have to agree (not that anybody asked me). There are many words that can be used to describe the words and sentiment used by Drmies in that dif ("spot on" comes to mind), but "harassment" it's not.--]<sup>]</sup> 23:12, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
:::That is nowhere near harassment. That is the artistic way that Drmies encourages people to get back on the straight and narrow, and was entirely appropriate in this case. ] ] 23:18, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
:::: Whether it approaches your conception of harassment is rather besides the point; the comment was uncivil, unseemly and plain unnecessary. The world's not split between good and bad, and right and wrong. Tutelary did not deserve that; ]. Drmies is more than capable of articulating whatever point he wants to make ''nicely''. ] (]) 23:25, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't know who you are, Alakzi, but hey, nice to meet you and thank you for stopping by. Now, if you please, look at the merits of the complaint. "Shit-stirring" is putting it rather diplomatically, I think. It's shitty, shitty ANI complaints like that, and the attendant drama created by people who don't seem to have much better to do, that drives people off the project. (That argument has been used before to bitch about other editors, but in that case there was no proof.) Also, have a nice day. <nowiki>]</nowiki>: pfff. ] (]) 00:20, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
{{od}} Thanks for replying. I can empathise with that - I still don't agree with your delivery, but there's no point in my harping on about it. Take care. ] (]) 00:33, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
*Alakzi, I can't tell you how disappointed I am when people start threads like that, whose only possible goal can be to get people in trouble and whose only possible outcome is more drama. The decision was fine, and it was argued with in the wrong place. None of it was any help to RGloucester who, and I speak from experience, has a habit of serious troublement. BTW, I'm not kidding about what drives editors away. Thanks. ] (]) 00:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


:: I also said recently "]" to Alakzi, a great helper. - Anybody to translate ] to more languages, about what is in great need etc? --] (]) 23:37, 23 April 2015 (UTC) The article for ] definitely needs additional sources and has to some issues of tone addressed. There are sources about the school available to update many of the issues you highlighted. ] (]) 23:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
*Happy New Year, {{U|Alansohn}}. I hope there are, and I hope they're grrrreat. That article was a bit excessive. ] (]) 00:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Desautels Edits == == Sockpuppet ==
The majority of my edits are not "promotional" info. Also, the edits and layout of the page is consistent with other business school pages such as ] <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:36, 19 April 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*Ha, "majority". You're a COI editor and your edits are unacceptable. You think it's OK to source awards and honors to the university itself, so clearly you don't know how this is supposed to be done. Thank you {{U|Amaury}}. ] (]) 03:15, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
::{{re|Drmies}} You're welcome! :) - ] (]) 03:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
::*{{U|Amaury}}, look at my recent edits--what's going on in these Canadian business schools is totally off the charts. ] (]) 03:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
::::{{re|Drmies}} They'll never learn. - ] (]) 03:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::Perhaps the IP is one of the new returning editors I just welcomed, {{U|Amaury}}. It seems that we have, as the Dutch put it, thrown a club into the henhouse, which is just fine with me. The IP was right about one thing: it's happening all over the place, esp., I suppose, in these articles for business schools, which I've not looked at many times before. The main articles on the big (land-grant) universities are mostly in line with policy, but these...well, whaddayaknow, there's money and prestige at stake. ] (]) 15:26, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


Got someone editing as an IP to escape a block and complain at the Teahouse. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
== Worth it? ==
:Nevermind, they got globally blocked literally ''the'' minute I sent this lol. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::Oh, it's that one again. So boring. I wonder what their New Year's resolutions include. Haha, "this year I'm going to look for North Korean proxies". Good luck! ] (]) 00:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::"Resolution 1: Complain about being banned on a website for almost 7 hours" ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I actually forgot how long it's been. Has it been a year? Ah--I blocked User:MidAtlanticBaby indefinitely on June 18. I see they're now actually banned by the Foundation: I don't know if you know this, but you have to go REALLY crazy to get banned by the Foundation. ] (]) 00:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Oh yeah, definitely didn't know that...{{pb}}Also, this has been going on for MONTHS? ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::Yes. When I say "childish" I mean it. This is likely a somewhat grown person with a driver license and the right to vote, who could be watching Georgia play football and make soup for their family and walk the dog. Instead, they're harassing a bunch of people including one who had nothing to do with them getting their dumb ass blocked. But they know some shit about proxies and whatnot and now they're just being cute, hoping to get caught and get attention. ] (]) 00:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Well, now whenever I feel down I'll just remember I'm way happier with my life than MidAtlanticBaby! Thanks for this Misplaced Pages lore Drmies. ] <sup>(]) (])</sup> 00:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== 120.21.0.0/16 ==
I'm in the process of creating and then filing a report at AN/I on an editor we previously discussed here . Is it worth it or should I just let it go? I truly, deeply, and vehemently hate the drama such reports create. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 15:23, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi, would you consider unblocking this IP range? I don't want to, both because I'm unsure of the situation, and because I'm a little bit involved — it includes the address I'm using for the wireless network at my local public library. I don't understand the reason for the block, since you blocked it almost a month after the latest edit appearing at ], and there are no deleted contributions. ] (]) 05:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
This is the edit that sent me "over the edge" . -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 15:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
*I'll have a look. Pity I just started helping out by cleaning up this horrible article, which makes me invoooolved, and I won't take action unilaterally. If I were you I'd let it go, but let me have a look. ] (]) 15:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC) *Hey {{U|Nyttend}}--I blocked the range because of one particular sock, who by now has created 215 accounts that we blocked and tagged, in a little over a year. There were two from that range that, looking at the block, were my immediate reason for the block, and since then it's been much quieter. Let me email you, lest I drop BEANS all over the place. ] (]) 14:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
**Thanks for the response. This response makes sense, and the email was great; thank you. ] (]) 19:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
*OK, I don't know. Maybe this should be up at ANI again. Oh, so that is MaranoFan, with that horrible signature? Is that even within guidelines? "No Stalking Allowed"? I don't see why they're still allowed to edit here. ] (]) 15:31, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


== Advice needed ==
::Yes, it is MaranoFan with the horrible new sig. Add to the above that he's now going to every article I've recently edited and also editing (where he's never edited those articles previously - just letting me know he's watching, I guess), spent yesterday calling me a liar, today has referred to me as a troll, and then the above edit at the project/Musicians talk page... it's not maddening, doesn't even really make me mad, but it's a continuation of bad behavior and lack of editing productively that just. doesn't. seem. to. stop. Ugh. I really dislike coming off as a whiner. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 15:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


How can I convince user:Sky258 that, per ], airport connections need independent sources? Nearly all his/her are unsourced and reverted. Warnings did not help but blocking seems over the top. Do you have any ideas? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 17:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Interestingly, he just filed this . -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 15:45, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
*Hmm I disagree: they were warned by multiple editors, and the content is unsourced. I was going to ask about talk page consensus, but there is project-wide consensus... ] (]) 22:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::And he's now canvassing in regard to it: , , , . After all the AN/I and AN reports in regard to him, the blocks, the complaints, the warnings, et al... I don't think he can claim ignorance of policy regarding his violations any longer. At this point it just seems to be a clear act of thumbing his nose (or flipping the bird) at editors, admins, and policy. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 16:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
*:Okay. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)


== Football sock ==
:::Amazingly, he just reverted your reversion at WikiProject Musicians: . -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 16:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


Not college football, but still... See ]. I agree with GS and don't know why others are defending the user (casting aspersions indeed). Creating an RfA...doing so many moves it makes me dizzy...leaving trolling messages for other users... I'm on the edge of blocking myself for disruption, but a check would be helpful. Thanks.--] (]) 21:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
I am done with worrying over the above and am now off to stare deeply into the eyes of the magical kitten you left at my talk page. Have a great day. :-) -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 17:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
:The ANI discussion has derailed into a discussion about whether Footballnerd2007 is using LLM, which they clearly are, but the user is choosing, unwisely, to wikilawyer, and GS, also unwisely, is trying to "nail" them. I thought about hatting it, but it's so rapid and I'm not sure where exactly I'd hat it. Oh, btw, another on my list above - read the user's Talk page - it's a cornucopia of warnings.--] (]) 22:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
*I'm not so much worried, more irritated at this continued intransigence. Is it naptime yet? ] (]) 17:38, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
::What a mess. That got out of hand quickly--I'm also not happy with the alien's response. A check was run on the user, and I guess it showed nothing... ] (]) 15:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Thanks. They are now being "mentored".--] (]) 18:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Drmies, alien was obviously not trying to defend the user (you can tell through certain, subtle signs, such as the use of a face palm emoji and the phrase "You're not helping your case right now"), they were trying to de-escalate things. Is this really how you want to treat them? ] (]) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry, but I don't know what prompted this, and I certainly don't understand that last, loaded question. Did I say that they were trying to "defend" the user? Where? What you could to is ask what I meant, if you're really interested in me and what I think. ] (]) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)


==Mail call==
== ] ==
{{ygm}} I stopped e-mailing you long ago, since it always bounced, but perhaps it may be worth trying again? ] &#124; ] 09:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC).
No matter, how bad faith your edit summaries are. You are doing the article a big favour. Than you so much. It failed GA today. Hopefully, we can both get it up to par again. ] (] / ])</b> 16:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
*YES. I've been so lonely! ] (]) 15:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*Not bad faith: honest. This article has had so many edits, there is so much material there, but it's not well organized and there is no criterion for inclusion (of facts, statements, etc.) besides "it's verified so we'll include it". In addition, it's not very neutral... I wish you would take the things between you and Winkelvi less personally: I'm on Winkelvi's side here because I think he is more disinterested, more concerned with the encyclopedia, and I think that you are too much a drama seeker, more concerned with factoids and positive reviews. I am really, really hoping that you will prove me wrong; I'm not sure you realize how close you came to be being banned or topic-banned. Still, MaranoFan, I appreciate your note; editors who communicate are less likely to be kicked to the curb than editors who don't. And I'm all about accepting good faith.<p>Listen, it's the end of the semester. I've looked at tons of drafts and articles, high school and college level. I know good writing when I see it, and the Trainor article is still not good writing. The thing to do is to improve it, and I think I've given some examples of how sections can be improved. But it can't be improved if nothing is cut or reorganized, if no topic sentences are written, if... ] (]) 17:20, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
*Look, doesn't help. This is what these tags are for. Now you're just rubbing me the wrong way. ] (]) 17:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
:I am sorry about it. I did not read the para before that edit. Hey, have you considered ] :) ??? ] (] / ])</b> 17:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
::MaranoFan, I'm feeling like I'm talking to two different persons, from one moment to the next. Now go improve that paragraph by writing a topic sentence that states the point in general terms, so that cohesion can be achieved. I'm done for now, though it's kind of addictive. If you want to show some good faith, go through and remove all these "publisher" fields, and see what {{U|SNUGGUMS}} had to say. ] (]) 17:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


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] from the past month (December 2024).
I've been looking through US business school pages on Misplaced Pages and making some edits, but alot of them are REALLY bad and full of promotional-like and fluffy text (it seems to happen mainly at higher ranked schools). I've made some edits, but alot of them need alot of rework and cutting. I'd recommend going through them if you have the time (just going down the articles of USNews top ranked business school list would be a good place to start).] (]) 02:12, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
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*Ah, Sfan got one of your pics! Try a fair use tag on the description page. . You should be able to modify to fit the pickle jars. I would hate to lose them! Cheers <font face="Bauhaus 93" color="blue" size="2">Geoff</font> <sup><font color="blue">''Who, me?'' </font></sup> 18:13, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
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****Copy-paste in haste, repent at leisure. Fixed the ice cream reference and cleaned up some formatting. Hopefully the rationale is rational enough for Sfan and friends. <font face="Bauhaus 93" color="blue" size="2">Geoff</font> <sup><font color="blue">''Who, me?'' </font></sup> 21:17, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
*****Thanks. WK, again you're too clever for me, unmasking my ruse. Geoff, at least you got the joke: I'm breaking the rules to avoid breaking the rules. ] (]) 23:16, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


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In the spirit of regurgitation, this same type of situation is happening again (from your talk page archive, April 10, 2015) . Same editor, same following me to articles he's never edited before, same dancing around discussion, same personal attacks, same discussing editors rather than edits. In short, the same BS over and over again. For weeks, he's been showing up at noticeboards where I have left comments or a !vote and then !votes and comments the complete opposite (you've already seen it happen at the Meghan Trainor-related articles). Since the last "comment" you left for him a couple of weeks ago where you essentially told him to leave me alone, he's done just that. Until today. Then this occurred at the ] article ; reverting what I had edited but calling it "copyedit". I responded here - he responded with this ; then this ; and this ; and this ; and this . The problem with what he kept re-adding is that it is content removed because it no longer applied to the section it had been contained within. After the sections were re-named, there really was no place to put it (it is really trivia in nature to begin with, but more importantly, has no relevance via context or examples). But, let's get to the heart of it all: good-faith be damned, this editor is only trying to drive me nuts, I'm certain of it. He's hounding my edits, and has been little by little for quite a while now. He reverts edits I make, he leaves insults and personal attacks, he's worked at trying to get me blocked (as I stated when I came to you before about him). That, in conjunction with MaranoFan/All About That Bass doing the same -- it's really just so NOT what Misplaced Pages is supposed to be like or about.
* Following the ], the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: {{noping|CaptainEek}}, {{noping|Daniel}}, {{noping|Elli}}, {{noping|KrakatoaKatie}}, {{noping|Liz}}, {{noping|Primefac}}, {{noping|ScottishFinnishRadish}}, {{noping|Theleekycauldron}}, {{noping|Worm That Turned}}.


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As far as the Collins article talk page: I went there in the spirit of BRD and posted this: "The content doesn't belong in the early life section, yet you are edit warring over inappropriately placed content and disruptively revert it back in? Why? Cited or not, it's in the wrong place. Continuing to put it back in is plainly disruptive and does nothing to improve the article."
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Rather than actually discussing or answering my questions, he responds with this: "Gee Winkelvi your responses to matters are somewhat predictable. Why don't you comment on the reason that was listed here for why the cited and referenced information is relevant to Collin's music rather than try to stir up drama as is your usual modus operandi. I note than rather than come to the talk page, you were more interested in edit warring than coming here to comment on the issue at hand. That is clearly evidenced by your comment on the talk page which was. "The content doesn't belong in the early life section" then drama drama drama, edit war edit war edit war, blah, blah, blah... Please stick to commenting on the content and not your apparent hatred toward the editor. Cheers! WordSeventeen"
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I responded again ; he responded but did not answer the questions I asked nor did he ever attempt to discuss . What did he do? He started an RfC. . Rather than discussing, an RfC? This guy is dancing around and playing games. It's a joke to him. He's not about improving an article or and encyclopedia, he's about ] and beating me down and being disruptive while signing all of his comments with "Cheers!". I'm sick of it and really, really don't know what to do or where to go from here. He's going to keep doing this no matter what I say or do or how much I try to ignore him. The drama exhausts and sickens me, to be honest. I'm sorry to litter up your talk page with all of this crap, but I'm really at the end of my rope. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 03:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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*OK. I'm less interested in the ins and outs of the exchange than I am in the evidence of hounding. Feel free to point out some articles where it is clear they followed you. ] (]) 03:26, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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::Yeah, I know it was a lot to ask you to look at, but every admin seems to be different with what they want/need evidence-wise, I decided to err on the side of too much information. Here's what I have gathered:
Please take a look at ] and comment. Though this may be implied by other policies, I think it's worthwhile making it explicit. Thanks, --] (]) 19:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
*Patsy Presley
*AfD for Patsy Presley
*AfD for Ed Giecek (now deleted, he followed me there, as well)
*Taylor Swift
*Walter O'Brien
*Johnny Kemp
*AfD That Bass Tour
*Autumn Jackson
*Mary French Rockefeller
*Robert Hastings Hunkins
*Max Jungling
*Sir John Wright
*Adam Hawkes
*Roscoe R. Koch
*Geeks OUT
*Ethel Hatch
*Deborah Yeungling Ferhat
There are more, and several more at AfDs that have since been archived where he followed me, but I think this list gives a good start. Not to mention that when you look at the page editing histories, it all adds up to more instances than articles. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 03:51, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


== Big Thanks == == FORDROCKEFELLER1974 ==


Very new to Misplaced Pages editing. I mean NEW, lol. Thank you for revising my work on ]. Just wanted to add more information to a artist that needs more exposure and having a well written Wiki page is a start. Thank you again. ] (]) 04:53, 24 April 2015 (UTC) See {{UTRS|98810}}. The claim is that Bishonen allowed a new account to be created, in comments over at ]. What are your thoughts? Note that I have ''not'' looked at the checkuser technical data and... am dubious... --] (]) 23:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)
*Ha, yes, but Bish said that before I had a looked and confirmed that Looney had logged in (and I just checked again, to make sure). I can't read the VRT (I still can't log in) so I don't know what the "compromised" thing was, but this is socking going back to 2021. ] (]) 02:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== ] ==
Something is going on in ]page. First 2 albums' "links" are not working properly. They are redirecting to some weird page. Please help if possible. I only expanded the page to include more relevant info and included links. ] (]) 05:00, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
*I'm on it--it was a double redirect. ] (I don't like calling someone "Fat Mexican", but hey, you picked it), those albums aren't notable (yet) given ]--if you want them up, they'll need reviews from reliable sources etc. There were allmusic links in the previous versions but that doesn't cut it--those aren't links to album reviews anyway, but to the general article on the artist. Thanks, and let me know if I can help. ] (]) 15:01, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


Perhaps you could take a look at this - a new but prolific ip with all the jargon. Possible returning sock? Greatly concerned about the reputation of Philip II of Spain. Cheers, ] (]) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
== Speaking of rappers ... ==
*{{U|Johnbod}}, there is a copious amount of logged-out editing there, though I don't see direct evidence of them using IPs to circumvent policy--but that the same person is editing without logging in is indisputable (and I warned them), so that leaves the actual IPs. In many cases the logged-out editing is from VPNs that have been blocked before, by ]--who I see is retired? What is this world coming to... So I'm not exactly sure what to do, since that's not really my cup of tea, and ] isn't very insightful. I see ] is running that but they are not a CU, and it's at least three or four different ranges. ], if you know how to handle them, can you have a look and do what's right on those ranges? Yes, Philip II is certainly well worth our time. Thanks, ] (]) 04:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)


== Do you have a second? ==
Speaking of rappers, could we get some eyes/attention/help/decisions on ]? It's been in what the film industry would call "development hell" for a while. Not knowing what to do with it, I nommed it for AfD a couple weeks back. I have since listened to and I quite like it. Could "the community" (as we Wikipedians fondly call each other) come together and help out one way or another? Yours, ] (]) 05:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


Could you walk me through reassigning user rights? I've discovered some PGAME at ] and I blocked them while I redo the user rights. Sorry, I've not done much of this. I've got Special:UserRights/54rt678 open. ] (]) 04:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
== Can I get a quick DUCK block? ==


:The user has 509 edits, and 250 of them were done three days ago on the linked sandbox. ] (]) 04:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
{{u|Royalmate1}} has created several sock puppets since his block; {{u|Royalmate2}} and {{u|Royalmate3}} are among them, and you can look at their user pages and talk pages to see a lot of evidence. Royalmate4 recently created an account and has done the typical; an infinite number of user boxes including the WikiProject on Ignosticism that pretty much only he's a part of and one that states that he's been editing since 2007. Could you block per DUCK? Thanks, ]<sup>]]</sup> 21:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
::Do I merely uncheck, leave a reason and save (and watch)? Just something I haven't seen done recently. ] (]) 04:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
*I see that {{U|Zzuuzz}} is on the case. ]--what will they think of next! And it kind of defeats itself--if one , why bother inventing a term for it? It's kind of like posting empty Facebook messages and then deliberately ''not'' liking your own empty comment. ] (]) 21:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
:::It was so simple I figured it out myself, but I needed another editor to reassure me. Don't mind doing the job, but am sometimes nervous about affecting someone unduly. ] (]) 05:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sure thing. That editor is headed for an indef: incompetence mixed with promotional editing. ] (]) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::Not a very mature approach, granted. Hey, this morning I welcomed (after I reverted) a user who'd in Caleb Williams's article. It will get weirder than that... ] (]) 14:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::At least they apologized. I really loathe those kinds of edits, though not as much as the "daddy" variation. ] (]) 14:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Among their last 4 edits, two were adding commas to TP's post. Looking at that I'm not sure why we would trust them to edit any longer. ] ] 14:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Maybe, ], but I found nothing--I was thinking of various returning nuisances but saw no evidence. Wait and see, I think. ] (]) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::I tried to make it as plain as I could to the PGAMER that all their edits would be under close observation henceforth. If they can't ''hold themselves'' accountable, how can we? ] (]) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::Ha, is that a rhetorical question? ] (]) 17:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

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IP range block might need an update

Hi Drmies, this post is about the IPv6 range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:0:0:0:0/64 that you partially blocked for 1 week from editing AN/I. A little less than an hour later, User:Cullen328 actually site-blocked the singular IP in that range 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:6463:27AE:4C80:E87B for a couple of days with no talk page access. Since then, like happens with many IPv6 connections, the user's IP address switched over to 2A00:23C4:B3AE:3101:9541:B21:E7F0:1D7F very shortly after, which allowed them to continue posting on that previous IP's talk page in spite of the previous IP's block with no talk page access. Given that this is technically block evasion, I'm thinking maybe the /64 rangeblock should be updated to a full one?

Regards, — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:42, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I left a note for Cullen cause I had to run, but I'll go ahead and stop that yapping. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Yeah, sorry Drmies, my wife and I had to pick up some prescriptions (we're 72), go to the hardware store as part of our ongoing battle against the rats, and stop at Target. We just got home. Cullen328 (talk) 02:12, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
      • I took care of it. Rats? Brrrr. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Yeah they are creepy and filthy and befoul any accessible food, but that's the least of it. They have twice chewed partly through pex fresh water lines in the crawl space under our house, which soaked a lot of insulation too. Very expensive chaos. Second incident discovered today. It's an ongoing debacle and I have a grudge against all rodents at this point. Cullen328 (talk) 02:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
        @Cullen328: Do you routinely distribute rodenticide in key locations? I do so weekly, and the problems are much improved. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
        • Deepfriedokra, we live in a semi-rural area with lots of beneficial wildlife like deer, rabbits and squirrels plus pets like cats and dogs, so pest control professionals prefer to avoid most poisons and rely on traps and repellents instead. There is also the hidden dead rat odor problem. We are going to start a very specialized product called RatX in the next few days. Cullen328 (talk) 17:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Oh Lord, rats are a horrible problem. Hope you can get rid of them. Do you guys have any cats? And I think that having a lot of insects and whatnot in your house is considered something of a way of life, but imo, definitely not true nowadays. My house suffers from a lot of silverfish, and my family has been trying to use boric acid to try and stop them. Strong substance, perhaps, but definitely useful. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I only use the poison in the house- behind stove, fridge, and washing machine. Fortunately they leave before dying. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I use road flares in their burrows outdoors. Close up as many holes as you can find except one, light the road flare and stick it fire side in and cover it up. Carbon monoxide takes care of it. Keeping livestock I have a significant rat population outside that I have to keep in check. As for inside, cats. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:54, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          (edit conflict) Like Cullen, we too live in a rural area. Fortunately, we haven't had any rats (one bat, though - and that was horrible), but we do have mice. Don't know if they'll work with larger rodents, but we leave sticky traps for the mice in our garage, and, thus far, that keeps them out of the house, killing them before they can enter.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:56, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Is that better than roaches, Bbb23? Drmies (talk) 19:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          You'd think an indoor pit bull would prevent rats. She does not. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Need a ratter, not a big dog. My little lady kills quite a few rats outside. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          Mice are stupid and don't get too trap averse. Much more difficult to trap rats long term. With mice I've found a bucket trap to be very effective. A 5 gallon bucket with a ramp leading to the top. Fill it halfway with water, then cover the water with sunflower seeds. The mice climb up and hop in to get the seeds and can't get out. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
          I do think cats make good pets too. They're good at catching mice and rats, as well as defeating snakes. I'm sure the reaction time of a cat is about 20-44 milliseconds compared to a snake which has like 44-70 milliseconds. I also think that cats are the general predator of snakes. But staying on topic, I do feel like it would be best to have a cat as a pet (I certainly don't have a cat, though) for catching rats. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Top AfC Editor

The Articles for Creation Barnstar 2024 Top Editor
In 2024 you were one of the top AfC editors, thank you! --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I was, Ozzie10aaaa?? I had no idea--I think that also shows that it would be good if more people got involved with it. I think the backlog is creeping towards 2,000 again. Anyway, thanks: I appreciate it! Drmies (talk) 17:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Drmies, you probably wouldn't have been if we had an actual full year of data (that data is just from the last month or so). But if you kept up that same pace through the whole year... yeah, maybe you still would be. We truly need all the help we can get. -- asilvering (talk) 18:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hello Drmies: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Drm310 🍁 (talk) 06:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025

Hello Drmies, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. May your heart and home be filled with all of the joys the festive season brings. Here is a toast to a Merry Christmas and prosperous New Year!. 

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Drmies, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
Happy editing,
Abishe (talk) 22:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

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May Sinterklaas be good to you ...

Please leave your wooden shoes out for him to fill with presents.

Have a good one, Doc, and thanks for filling our wiki-lives with cheer.

Love, Softlavender (talk) 01:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

About your block of Ayomikun445

Quack, quack.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 15:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

DCAU page

Hi! I'm currently engaged in an edit war with a user who believes that two films released in 2017 and 2019 are canon to an animated universe of TV shows from 1992-2006. I've provided multiple clear as day sources from the people who worked on these that show this isn't the case.

You can read it here. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:DC_Animated_Universe#Article_Cleanup Walterwhitehartwell (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

With respect to Bai Jingting

Hi, I seen few deletion, need clarity to improve. 1. For Philanthropic activity the source 8th line mentions artist name, need to understand why the source is doubtful. 2. If "features" is wrong vocabulary could it be replaced with other word? As new writer I observed many articles already accepted those details from years. Need to understand how to represent here with proper writing. SakuraSmart (talk) 20:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Not every time someone is mentioned in some competition they're "featured". If someone is featured it means they get a special placement, and there is no evidence at all that this is what is happening here. Yes, it's a buzzword now used for every guest performance and appearance, and we need to fight back, like linguistic warriors. I don't really know what you mean with "source 8th line", but if you're talking about this source, it's pretty obvious to me that that gossipy glossy website is NOT an acceptable, neutral, independent source for BLPs. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
    • Thanks for the reply. For Philanthropic activity link was used. 8th line suggest artist donation towards natural disaster. It was removed stating doubtful. If we mention actual ranks of few listings, instead of "feature" I hope it's fine provided link attached is not from gossip site and provides enough evidence. SakuraSmart (talk) 23:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
      • What 8th line? I see five lines, and then some weird image that took me 26 clicks on "Page Down" to get through--and then there's comments. Anyway, I see his name is mentioned, along with dozens of others, on a website that at best looks like a gossipy site for fans of entertainers. Whatever that site is, it's not publishing journalism; please see WP:RS. How much did he even give? Or did the record company give a few bucks in his name, to add to his resume? Who knows? Drmies (talk) 02:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
      • Oh you mean the seventh line of that picture with a list of donors--who knows what that picture is, and what its authority is. Again, that's not how we operate here. It's too easy to manipulate pictures, and there's no source or context--"according to incomplete statistics" actually expresses part of the problem well. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. "持续更新！汪峰章子怡林志玲黄晓明等为河南暴雨捐款". ent.ifeng.com (in Chinese). Retrieved 2024-12-17.

You are being discussed here

Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review#Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 16:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

User:Pinzunski/User:SukunaZenin and others

Thought they had given up and taken a new hobby, but nope... Here is this IP (https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/2001:8A0:67D4:8700:461:2CED:6508:F5E3), for instance continuing with the transfer speculation at Francisco Trincão (and reinserting their ref that "supported" Sporting CP winning the title last season by mentioning a S.L. Benfica match!!), duly reverted! Ah, with a completely polite and encyclopedical edit summary, so let's see what their reply will be (because they WILL reinstate their version again!)...

Happy 2025, take care RevampedEditor (talk) 16:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring started already, please intervene (you or somebody) ASAP! --RevampedEditor (talk) 17:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 07:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Edits to Columbia High School (New Jersey)

The article for Columbia High School (New Jersey) definitely needs additional sources and has to some issues of tone addressed. There are sources about the school available to update many of the issues you highlighted. Alansohn (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Got someone editing as an IP to escape a block and complain at the Teahouse. Tarlby 00:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Nevermind, they got globally blocked literally the minute I sent this lol. Tarlby 00:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh, it's that one again. So boring. I wonder what their New Year's resolutions include. Haha, "this year I'm going to look for North Korean proxies". Good luck! Drmies (talk) 00:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
"Resolution 1: Complain about being banned on a website for almost 7 hours" Tarlby 00:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I actually forgot how long it's been. Has it been a year? Ah--I blocked User:MidAtlanticBaby indefinitely on June 18. I see they're now actually banned by the Foundation: I don't know if you know this, but you have to go REALLY crazy to get banned by the Foundation. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Oh yeah, definitely didn't know that...Also, this has been going on for MONTHS? Tarlby 00:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes. When I say "childish" I mean it. This is likely a somewhat grown person with a driver license and the right to vote, who could be watching Georgia play football and make soup for their family and walk the dog. Instead, they're harassing a bunch of people including one who had nothing to do with them getting their dumb ass blocked. But they know some shit about proxies and whatnot and now they're just being cute, hoping to get caught and get attention. Drmies (talk) 00:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Well, now whenever I feel down I'll just remember I'm way happier with my life than MidAtlanticBaby! Thanks for this Misplaced Pages lore Drmies. Tarlby 00:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

120.21.0.0/16

Hi, would you consider unblocking this IP range? I don't want to, both because I'm unsure of the situation, and because I'm a little bit involved — it includes the address I'm using for the wireless network at my local public library. I don't understand the reason for the block, since you blocked it almost a month after the latest edit appearing at Special:Contributions/120.21.0.0/16, and there are no deleted contributions. Nyttend (talk) 05:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Hey Nyttend--I blocked the range because of one particular sock, who by now has created 215 accounts that we blocked and tagged, in a little over a year. There were two from that range that, looking at the block, were my immediate reason for the block, and since then it's been much quieter. Let me email you, lest I drop BEANS all over the place. Drmies (talk) 14:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Advice needed

How can I convince user:Sky258 that, per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, airport connections need independent sources? Nearly all his/her additions are unsourced and reverted. Warnings did not help but blocking seems over the top. Do you have any ideas? The Banner talk 17:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Football sock

Not college football, but still... See WP:ANI#Footballnerd2007. I agree with GS and don't know why others are defending the user (casting aspersions indeed). Creating an RfA...doing so many moves it makes me dizzy...leaving trolling messages for other users... I'm on the edge of blocking myself for disruption, but a check would be helpful. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

The ANI discussion has derailed into a discussion about whether Footballnerd2007 is using LLM, which they clearly are, but the user is choosing, unwisely, to wikilawyer, and GS, also unwisely, is trying to "nail" them. I thought about hatting it, but it's so rapid and I'm not sure where exactly I'd hat it. Oh, btw, another on my list above - read the user's Talk page - it's a cornucopia of warnings.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
What a mess. That got out of hand quickly--I'm also not happy with the alien's response. A check was run on the user, and I guess it showed nothing... Drmies (talk) 15:26, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. They are now being "mentored".--Bbb23 (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Drmies, alien was obviously not trying to defend the user (you can tell through certain, subtle signs, such as the use of a face palm emoji and the phrase "You're not helping your case right now"), they were trying to de-escalate things. Is this really how you want to treat them? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't know what prompted this, and I certainly don't understand that last, loaded question. Did I say that they were trying to "defend" the user? Where? What you could to is ask what I meant, if you're really interested in me and what I think. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

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I stopped e-mailing you long ago, since it always bounced, but perhaps it may be worth trying again? Bishonen | tålk 09:30, 5 January 2025 (UTC).

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Please take a look at Addition_to_WP:NOTDICTIONARY and comment. Though this may be implied by other policies, I think it's worthwhile making it explicit. Thanks, --Macrakis (talk) 19:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

FORDROCKEFELLER1974

See UTRS appeal #98810. The claim is that Bishonen allowed a new account to be created, in comments over at User_talk:TTTEMLPBrony. What are your thoughts? Note that I have not looked at the checkuser technical data and... am dubious... --Yamla (talk) 23:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Ha, yes, but Bish said that before I had a looked and confirmed that Looney had logged in (and I just checked again, to make sure). I can't read the VRT (I still can't log in) so I don't know what the "compromised" thing was, but this is socking going back to 2021. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Beeldenstorm

Perhaps you could take a look at this - a new but prolific ip with all the jargon. Possible returning sock? Greatly concerned about the reputation of Philip II of Spain. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 01:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

  • Johnbod, there is a copious amount of logged-out editing there, though I don't see direct evidence of them using IPs to circumvent policy--but that the same person is editing without logging in is indisputable (and I warned them), so that leaves the actual IPs. In many cases the logged-out editing is from VPNs that have been blocked before, by User:ST47ProxyBot--who I see is retired? What is this world coming to... So I'm not exactly sure what to do, since that's not really my cup of tea, and Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Open proxies isn't very insightful. I see User:Malcolmxl5 is running that but they are not a CU, and it's at least three or four different ranges. User:Ponyo, if you know how to handle them, can you have a look and do what's right on those ranges? Yes, Philip II is certainly well worth our time. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a second?

Could you walk me through reassigning user rights? I've discovered some PGAME at User:54rt678/sandbox and I blocked them while I redo the user rights. Sorry, I've not done much of this. I've got Special:UserRights/54rt678 open. BusterD (talk) 04:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The user has 509 edits, and 250 of them were done three days ago on the linked sandbox. BusterD (talk) 04:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Do I merely uncheck, leave a reason and save (and watch)? Just something I haven't seen done recently. BusterD (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
It was so simple I figured it out myself, but I needed another editor to reassure me. Don't mind doing the job, but am sometimes nervous about affecting someone unduly. BusterD (talk) 05:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Sure thing. That editor is headed for an indef: incompetence mixed with promotional editing. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Not a very mature approach, granted. Hey, this morning I welcomed (after I reverted) a user who'd burnt the Packers in Caleb Williams's article. It will get weirder than that... BusterD (talk) 14:20, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
At least they apologized. I really loathe those kinds of edits, though not as much as the "daddy" variation. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Among their last 4 edits, two were adding commas to TP's post. Looking at that I'm not sure why we would trust them to edit any longer. Doug Weller talk 14:51, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Maybe, Doug, but I found nothing--I was thinking of various returning nuisances but saw no evidence. Wait and see, I think. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
I tried to make it as plain as I could to the PGAMER that all their edits would be under close observation henceforth. If they can't hold themselves accountable, how can we? BusterD (talk) 16:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
Ha, is that a rhetorical question? Drmies (talk) 17:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)