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@Ian.thomson: FYI, an editor dropped a number of tags on the article without a valid rationale. Note that the user was recently blocked per ANI.--Anders Feder (talk) 16:20, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I have explained my rationale. But where is yours? Strivingsoul (talk) 16:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Your rationale is wrong and wrong-headed. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:47, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Strivingsoul: I have no rationale for any tags that were dropped by you. Nor do I need to have one.--Anders Feder (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, I actually asked you to explain your reason for opposing the tags with the rationale I have offered below! Strivingsoul (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Given that I haven't even commented on what you've posted below, why are you accusing me of having opposed it? Are you merely trolling?--Anders Feder (talk) 17:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that your post came earlier than mine (before I had posted my explanation below) and hence your assertion that there was "no valid rationale" offered. Anyhow, my rationale were posted within minutes. So if you have any comment, I'd welcome that. And it is clear that I'm not trolling. I'm editing pages in best of my conscience and observance of the rules (still I might be wrong but willing to admit fault if any). Strivingsoul (talk) 18:32, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Biased sources with conflict of interest

Regarding the Holocaust Denial point

I have edited this bullet point from:

"no Jews were killed during World War II, and the Holocaust was a Jewish plot to garner sympathy"

to:

"no attempted extermination of Jews took place during World War II, and the Holocaust was a Jewish plot to garner sympathy"

My edit was reverted FreeKnowledgeCreator who said, "Your personal opinion about what a Holocaust denier would or would not claim is irrelevant.". Ignoring the hostility of that statement, I will make my case for why my edit should stand.

Nowhere in this book, nor any other works by David Duke as far as I am aware, does he claim that "no Jews were killed during World War II". If you just take a look at the book in question, you will find this paragraph on page 289:

''In reality, I discovered that no responsible revisionist denies that large numbers of innocent people, including many Jews, died at the hands of the Germans and their allies during the Second World War. No one denies that the Germans rounded up the Jews from all over occupied Europe and put them into deplorable concentration camps. Revisionists do not deny that Nazis committed atrocities against Jews; they do, however, contend that the numbers of those killed have been grossly inflated. More importantly, they maintain that there was no central program, plan, policy, or order by the German government to exterminate all of the Jewish people. Revisionists claim that the Nazis created the camps to confine Jews because they considered them a security risk, much like the American government rounded up and incarcerated Japanese for security reasons.

- Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening to the Jewish Question, pg 289

Here we can plainly see that Duke does NOT state that "no Jews were killed during World War II". He says he and other revisionists only deny the number killed, and the policy of extermination. If anyone demands that the wording be changed back to the previous version, they should provide a counter to this. In the form of a statement by Duke, or by reputable source(s), which will demonstrate that Duke believes (and writes in this book) that "no Jews were killed during World War II". 73.20.33.105 (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

The reason you gave for your first edit - ' no holocaust denier would argue "no Jews were killed" ' - was indeed inappropriate and unacceptable, and you should have expected an edit with an edit summary like that to be reverted. Since you have made a better case above, I am content to let other editors decide the issue. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)